2016 Postmortem
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PublicPolicyPolling retweeted Ed O'Keefe
We found Hillary doing a lot better in Iowa over the weekend than other recent polling had suggested as well
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Greg Sargent ?@ThePlumLineGS 1h1 hour ago
@ppppolls when is that Iowa poll coming out?
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PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls 1h1 hour ago
@ThePlumLineGS tonight/tomorrow
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Greg Sargent ?@ThePlumLineGS 1h1 hour ago
@ppppolls thanks. that would seem to square with Hillary camp's memo on the polling
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She's back (or never left): @HillaryClinton grows over @BernieSanders, expands w/o @VP http://cnn.it/1Lr8VU9 via @ericbradner @CNNPolitics
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)riversedge
(70,322 posts)I suspected a turnaround was happening starting about 10 days ago. I think the email fake scandal has run it course. Nothing significant has turned up and the media got tired of pushing a non-story.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)I'm sure the Republicans will have a field day with that in relation to national security in the fall.
Tom Brokaw really nailed it in his interview.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Go to Drudgereport... you will be happier there.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Seems odd considering nothing much happened the last few weeks.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)people didn't read the methodology description of the poll where it explained why certain groups were not shown in the raw data breakouts. People under 50 were certainly polled.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)sampling. This poll was skewed.
hack89
(39,171 posts)we can discuss actual facts about statistics. I have no desire to discuss what your emotions tell you.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)That is the methodology. I'm just not buying that every group they sampled except those over 50 had a sampling error of +/- 8.5. I think they wanted those other groups to be excluded so they made them +/-8.5 sampling error so they could exclude them.
A total of 1,006 adults were interviewed by telephone nationwide by live interviewers calling both landline and cell phones.
Among the entire sample, 26% described themselves as Democrats, 23% described themselves as Republicans, and 51% described
themselves as independents or members of another party.
All respondents were asked questions concerning basic demographics, and the entire sample was weighted to reflect national
Census figures for gender, race, age, education, region of country, and telephone usage.
Crosstabs on the following pages only include results for subgroups with enough unweighted cases to produce a sampling error of
+- 8.5 percentage points or less. Some subgroups represent too small a share of the national population to produce crosstabs with
an acceptable sampling error. Interviews were conducted among these subgroups, but results for groups with a sampling error
larger than +-8.5 percentage points are not displayed and instead are denoted with "N/A".
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/21/1423399/-CNN-Nat-Poll-CLINTON-57-SANDERS-28-But-CNN-polls-ONLY-people-over-50
hack89
(39,171 posts)if every good polling firm does exactly the same thing then there is no bias.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)unless they don't favor Hillary and if that is the case that says a lot.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)At least that is my understanding.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Why would we not want to know how millions of people plan on voting?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)They were included in the overall poll... its just the crosstabs were affected. Its a survey science thing... if the error rate is very high don't even show it because it could be misleading. This is a good poll.. imo.
hack89
(39,171 posts)to be meaningful when looked at in isolation. It explains exactly why. It also explains that the data is included the overall poll results.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)what was I thinking.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)to vote for the person who is in the lead. I'm sure we will hear lots of Hillary supporters have the same critiques when Bernie is leading in the polls and rightfully so. Personally it does not matter to me except that they can be so deceiving and manipulating. Our entire election process is deceiving and manipulating. It is no wonder over half of our country doesn't vote.
hack89
(39,171 posts)riversedge
(70,322 posts)slept thru it.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)riversedge
(70,322 posts)response. There has been been press based on Hillary's many public events/TV events. Given, perhaps you were not sleeping but you may still have missed these events and positive press.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Because this story just came out a few hours ago.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2015/09/20/bernie-rising-hillary-fading-how-bernie-sanders-is-winning-the-media-war/
Bernie Rising, Hillary Fading: How Bernie Sanders Is Winning the Media War---
Over the last 30 days Sanders accounts for 24.4% of all Democratic mentions versus 2.3% for Martin OMalley, 0.3% for Jim Webb, and 0.2% for Lincoln Chafee. Over the last 7 days Sanders has enjoyed a surge in coverage, reaching 35.9% of Democratic mentions, while Martin OMalley has fallen to just 0.9%, Jim Webb to 0.2% and Lincoln Chafee to just 0.1%.
More troubling for Clinton is the focus of the coverage she is getting. The first word cloud below shows the words most frequently mentioned within 10 seconds of her name on national television coverage August 12th. Words like server, mail, private, department, justice, email, handling, and trust all feature prominently, focusing on her use of a private email server as Secretary of State. Words mentioned most frequently within 10 seconds of Bernie Sanders name the same day are poll, voters, clinton,, and trump. This suggests that coverage of Sanders tends to focus less on him as a standalone candidate and more on his role as a foil for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,324 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Hillary's popularity has fallen from 58 to 47 percent in the last month according to polls. Fascinating!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)"Buy on the rumor, sell on the news."
That story line is already outdated.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)He has the enthusiasm and crowds, and hundreds of thousands of volunteers! I think Bernie will turn conventional political wisdom on its head and win the Presidency!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Young-Adult Voting: An Analysis of
Presidential Elections, 19642012
https://www.census.gov/prod/2014pubs/p20-573.pdf
peacebird
(14,195 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)I can guarantee that young people aren't going to come out and vote for Clinton in the GE.
mcar
(42,388 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)My guess is we are going to get not just daily poll updates, but hourly updates. The slightest change and we will be notified. It will be like when CNN breaks in with breaking news and it turns out the breaking news is Obama took their dog out for a walk.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)eom
pinebox
(5,761 posts)That is hilarious!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)eom