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riversedge

(70,322 posts)
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 08:58 AM Sep 2015

@PPPpolls-->We found Hillary doing a lot better in Iowa over the weekend than other recent polling h





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PublicPolicyPolling retweeted Ed O'Keefe

We found Hillary doing a lot better in Iowa over the weekend than other recent polling had suggested as well


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Greg Sargent ?@ThePlumLineGS 1h1 hour ago

@ppppolls when is that Iowa poll coming out?
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PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls 1h1 hour ago

@ThePlumLineGS tonight/tomorrow

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Greg Sargent ?@ThePlumLineGS 1h1 hour ago

@ppppolls thanks. that would seem to square with Hillary camp's memo on the polling




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She's back (or never left): @HillaryClinton grows over @BernieSanders, expands w/o @VP
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@PPPpolls-->We found Hillary doing a lot better in Iowa over the weekend than other recent polling h (Original Post) riversedge Sep 2015 OP
Things are looking up for Hillary! DCBob Sep 2015 #1
Great way to start the week. riversedge Sep 2015 #2
Indeed. DCBob Sep 2015 #3
It is not a fake email scandal. But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Skwmom Sep 2015 #11
Suggestion.. DCBob Sep 2015 #12
Based on what? What changed? Dawgs Sep 2015 #4
The media got tired of pushing the email "non-scandal" scandal. DCBob Sep 2015 #7
Maybe they only polled people over 50 like CNN. eom Fawke Em Sep 2015 #9
That charge has been debunked hack89 Sep 2015 #18
I'm not buying that every group except those that favored Hillary had an error in liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #20
Did you actually read the methodology description? hack89 Sep 2015 #21
I just mentioned the methodology of leaving out sampling sizes that are +/-8.5 of sampling error. liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #22
But is it a standard polling procedure? hack89 Sep 2015 #24
Why not include the numbers from the 18-34 year olds and the 35-49 year olds? liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #25
There were included in the overall poll, just not displayed in the crosstabs. DCBob Sep 2015 #30
Why not? It's not as if only people over 50 vote? liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #33
You are not getting it.. DCBob Sep 2015 #35
Because the margin of error was too high hack89 Sep 2015 #34
Why was the margin of error too high to include them? How many people in each age group were polled? liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #39
You are right. It was deliberate. Obviously orchestrated by HRC and the DNC hack89 Sep 2015 #40
The same can be said about most polls. They are psychological marketing tools to get people liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #41
Ok. nt hack89 Sep 2015 #42
Lots of interaction by Hillary with the press=positive. You may have riversedge Sep 2015 #28
No need to be a dick. I was asking a legitimate question. n/t Dawgs Sep 2015 #29
and I gave a riversedge Sep 2015 #36
Whatever. You know what you did. n/t Dawgs Sep 2015 #38
PPP in November 2008 mmonk Sep 2015 #5
Well this says otherwise pinebox Sep 2015 #6
I think a tweet from PPP trumps your "stale" Forbes article. DCBob Sep 2015 #8
Social media rules! GeorgeGist Sep 2015 #15
And yet pinebox Sep 2015 #17
"Buy on the rumor, sell on the news." DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #16
Yep. Bernie is winning the social media wars, which is where young people turn for news & info peacebird Sep 2015 #27
Too bad for Bernie that most young people don't vote. workinclasszero Sep 2015 #32
They came out for Obama in 08 peacebird Sep 2015 #37
They do when you give them something to vote for.. frylock Sep 2015 #44
Nice mcar Sep 2015 #10
How much is Hillary's campaign spending on polling again? liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #13
Huh? Internal campaign polling has nothing to do with these public polls. Metric System Sep 2015 #23
This is the greatest comeback story since Ali-Frazier ll, Ali-Norton ll, and Ali-Spinks ll DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #14
lol pinebox Sep 2015 #19
I forgot Louis-Schmelling ll . DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #26
WTG Hillary! workinclasszero Sep 2015 #31
She might not be the leader America deserves but she's the leader America needs. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #43

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
3. Indeed.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:13 AM
Sep 2015

I suspected a turnaround was happening starting about 10 days ago. I think the email fake scandal has run it course. Nothing significant has turned up and the media got tired of pushing a non-story.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
11. It is not a fake email scandal. But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:30 AM
Sep 2015

I'm sure the Republicans will have a field day with that in relation to national security in the fall.

Tom Brokaw really nailed it in his interview.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
18. That charge has been debunked
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:09 AM
Sep 2015

people didn't read the methodology description of the poll where it explained why certain groups were not shown in the raw data breakouts. People under 50 were certainly polled.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
20. I'm not buying that every group except those that favored Hillary had an error in
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:18 AM
Sep 2015

sampling. This poll was skewed.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
21. Did you actually read the methodology description?
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:25 AM
Sep 2015

we can discuss actual facts about statistics. I have no desire to discuss what your emotions tell you.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
22. I just mentioned the methodology of leaving out sampling sizes that are +/-8.5 of sampling error.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:32 AM
Sep 2015

That is the methodology. I'm just not buying that every group they sampled except those over 50 had a sampling error of +/- 8.5. I think they wanted those other groups to be excluded so they made them +/-8.5 sampling error so they could exclude them.

A total of 1,006 adults were interviewed by telephone nationwide by live interviewers calling both landline and cell phones.
Among the entire sample, 26% described themselves as Democrats, 23% described themselves as Republicans, and 51% described
themselves as independents or members of another party.
All respondents were asked questions concerning basic demographics, and the entire sample was weighted to reflect national
Census figures for gender, race, age, education, region of country, and telephone usage.
Crosstabs on the following pages only include results for subgroups with enough unweighted cases to produce a sampling error of
+- 8.5 percentage points or less. Some subgroups represent too small a share of the national population to produce crosstabs with
an acceptable sampling error. Interviews were conducted among these subgroups, but results for groups with a sampling error
larger than +-8.5 percentage points are not displayed and instead are denoted with "N/A".

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/21/1423399/-CNN-Nat-Poll-CLINTON-57-SANDERS-28-But-CNN-polls-ONLY-people-over-50

hack89

(39,171 posts)
24. But is it a standard polling procedure?
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:48 AM
Sep 2015

if every good polling firm does exactly the same thing then there is no bias.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
25. Why not include the numbers from the 18-34 year olds and the 35-49 year olds?
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:50 AM
Sep 2015

unless they don't favor Hillary and if that is the case that says a lot.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
30. There were included in the overall poll, just not displayed in the crosstabs.
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 11:15 AM
Sep 2015

At least that is my understanding.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
33. Why not? It's not as if only people over 50 vote?
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 11:22 AM
Sep 2015

Why would we not want to know how millions of people plan on voting?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
35. You are not getting it..
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 11:29 AM
Sep 2015

They were included in the overall poll... its just the crosstabs were affected. Its a survey science thing... if the error rate is very high don't even show it because it could be misleading. This is a good poll.. imo.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
34. Because the margin of error was too high
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 11:29 AM
Sep 2015

to be meaningful when looked at in isolation. It explains exactly why. It also explains that the data is included the overall poll results.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
41. The same can be said about most polls. They are psychological marketing tools to get people
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 11:48 AM
Sep 2015

to vote for the person who is in the lead. I'm sure we will hear lots of Hillary supporters have the same critiques when Bernie is leading in the polls and rightfully so. Personally it does not matter to me except that they can be so deceiving and manipulating. Our entire election process is deceiving and manipulating. It is no wonder over half of our country doesn't vote.

riversedge

(70,322 posts)
36. and I gave a
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 11:30 AM
Sep 2015

response. There has been been press based on Hillary's many public events/TV events. Given, perhaps you were not sleeping but you may still have missed these events and positive press.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
6. Well this says otherwise
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:23 AM
Sep 2015

Because this story just came out a few hours ago.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2015/09/20/bernie-rising-hillary-fading-how-bernie-sanders-is-winning-the-media-war/
Bernie Rising, Hillary Fading: How Bernie Sanders Is Winning the Media War---

The timeline above shows the percentage of all mentions of any Democratic candidate from January 1, 2015 to present on national television networks Aljazeera America, Bloomberg, CNBC, CNN, Comedy Central, FOX Business, FOX News, LinkTV, and MSNBC that were of each candidate. For the first four months of this year, Hillary essentially enjoyed the Democratic field to herself, hovering around 90-100% of all mentions. April 30th, when Bernie Sanders officially declared his candidacy, changed all of that, as he suddenly rocketed to 34% of all coverage by the following day. Hillary regained ground over the following weeks until Sanders’ official kickoff rally in Vermont on May 26th, at which point he has stayed between a quarter and a third of all Democratic candidate mentions ever since. One June 19th, with his Las Vegas rally and Bill Maher appearance, Sanders came within striking distance of Clinton’s media monarchy, claiming 47% of all Democratic candidate mentions that day to Clinton’s 49%, and again on July 18th with the Democratic Party Hall of Fame Dinner in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, when he claimed 43% of mentions to Clinton’s 46%. (Though it should be noted that both of these dates represented days of lower-than-usual coverage of the Democratic slate).


Over the last 30 days Sanders accounts for 24.4% of all Democratic mentions versus 2.3% for Martin O’Malley, 0.3% for Jim Webb, and 0.2% for Lincoln Chafee. Over the last 7 days Sanders has enjoyed a surge in coverage, reaching 35.9% of Democratic mentions, while Martin O’Malley has fallen to just 0.9%, Jim Webb to 0.2% and Lincoln Chafee to just 0.1%.

More troubling for Clinton is the focus of the coverage she is getting. The first word cloud below shows the words most frequently mentioned within 10 seconds of her name on national television coverage August 12th. Words like “server,” “mail,” “private,” “department,” “justice,” “email,” “handling,” and “trust” all feature prominently, focusing on her use of a private email server as Secretary of State. Words mentioned most frequently within 10 seconds of Bernie Sanders’ name the same day are “poll,” “voters,” “clinton,”, and “trump.” This suggests that coverage of Sanders tends to focus less on him as a standalone candidate and more on his role as a foil for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.


 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
17. And yet
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:06 AM
Sep 2015

Hillary's popularity has fallen from 58 to 47 percent in the last month according to polls. Fascinating!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
16. "Buy on the rumor, sell on the news."
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:48 AM
Sep 2015

"Buy on the rumor, sell on the news."

That story line is already outdated.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
27. Yep. Bernie is winning the social media wars, which is where young people turn for news & info
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 10:57 AM
Sep 2015

He has the enthusiasm and crowds, and hundreds of thousands of volunteers! I think Bernie will turn conventional political wisdom on its head and win the Presidency!

frylock

(34,825 posts)
44. They do when you give them something to vote for..
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 03:36 PM
Sep 2015

I can guarantee that young people aren't going to come out and vote for Clinton in the GE.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
13. How much is Hillary's campaign spending on polling again?
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 09:38 AM
Sep 2015

My guess is we are going to get not just daily poll updates, but hourly updates. The slightest change and we will be notified. It will be like when CNN breaks in with breaking news and it turns out the breaking news is Obama took their dog out for a walk.

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