yesterday in New Hampshire, the DNC and the NHDC pulled out all the stops to help Hillary

[cali]

quash the rise of Bernie Sanders in that state. Will it work? Enlisting the party machinery for that purpose, isn't exactly above board as the DNC and state party chapters are supposed to be neutral. It's hardly a secret that they are anything but.

Ultimately, it will work. You can't fight the party machine. But there could be some unintended consequences, and in the short run I doubt it will be of huge assistance to Hillary. It serves to remind voters that she is very much the insider establishment pick in a year when sentiment is running high against establishment insiders.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/20/us/politics/hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-in-own-ways-show-pull-at-new-hampshire-convention.html

[peacebird]

1. It's not going to work. Bernie has over 400,000 people donating to his campaign.

Over 200k volunteering - getting petitions signed to put him On the ballots, attending Farmers Markets, festivals, & handing out information on him. Phone banking. Talking to neighbors and folks they meet in markets and on the street. Bernie has Facebook, reddit, instagram, and twitter on fire for him.
And he has the college vote. The more people hear him, the more people like him. Same absolutely cannot be said for Hillary.

[TM99]

2. It is not going to work this time around.

If the establishment quashes a viable Sanders campaign, there are just too many party Dems, independents, and disaffected voters who simply will not tow the party line this time around. They will not turn out the vote. They will not vote for the lesser of two evils. They will sit out the election. They will vote third party. God forbid, some may even vote Republican.

[restorefreedom]

16. nailed it. nt

[jwirr]

23. I think you are right. The problem is that the

establishment players are so confident that they can pull it off again that they are ignoring the ground swell.

We all voted for Barrack Obama because he promised us hope and change. He gave us hope and some change but when it comes to the economic change he rebuilt the economy but he did not change the direction of the empire. And I am not sure he could have. We are still heading into the new world order and corporate globalization that George HW Bush called for. Very few in the establishment have even bothered to disagree with that goal let alone understand the effect on the people.

Bernie is saying we need to change the direction we have been going. The establishment have a vested interest in keeping the status quo. The establishment and the rich do not see the problem because they are in their own little world and they are getting the profits from the status quo.

I think that we are going to win because at least Bernie sees the big picture.

[cali]

9. what is in error?

Btw, I think it's utterly absurd in a he face of abundant evidence to assert that the DNC isn't doing all they can to help her. Not saying you're asserting this.

[Fawke Em]

33. Judging from your pictures...

I'm gonna guess you were sitting behind the "Boston for Bernie" banner.

[DanTex]

4. Huh? They had their convention and invited all the leading Dems to speak.

These conspiracy theories are getting silly.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

5. HRC got the privilege of

speaking first (when the room was full) and Bogarting twice her allotted time. Fairness would have been to take a break and let additional supporters to fill the room back up.

[askew]

19. Wow what a bunch of BS.

im going to Jefferson-Jackson Dinner in Iowa and I hope they don't pull that BS there. It should be alphabetical.

[Scootaloo]

8. Noting that the DNC heavily favors Clinton is not a conspiracy theory

It's an acknowledgement of reality.

[restorefreedom]

14. is "conspiracy theory" your group's phrase of the month?

and fyi, not everything that involves conspiracy is a "theory"

sometimes they are just conspiracies.

and sometimes they are blatant transparent attempts to protect their corporate interests and the candidates who will shill for them.

you say tomato.....

[msongs]

26. evidently you are not swept up in the religious fervor lol nt

[FloridaBlues]

6. Poll on msnbc from New Hampshire Bernie 35% HRC 31%

It was on "UP" with Steve . Bernie bounce going down?

[magical thyme]

22. individual polls don't tell the story. Poll average has him at 47-35 per Huff Post

[Le Taz Hot]

7. If "you can't fight the party machine"

then what the hell are we doing? Seriously, I don't understand your defeatism here. I've seen more than one post where you declare that "Bernie can't win," "you can't fight the party machine" and I have to ask, why, exactly, are you supporting Bernie Sanders if you think he's such a loser?

I don't get it, cali.

[cali]

10. it's realistic, and it's not as if I don't think some very good things are happening g

due to his running. Far from seeing him as a loser, I saw him as a pivotal figure.

[Le Taz Hot]

29. Well, we disagree on what realism is then

because what I'm seeing is history being made. Seriously, the unbelievable support Sanders is getting from everyday people who are and have been fed up by our corrupt political system for so long that they're putting everything they have into this campaign and THAT is how we win.

I'm not naïve, I know what The Party is capable of, I watched what they did to Dean. I also know what they did to Dean was nothing compared to what they have in store for Sanders. The thing is, this is an unconventional campaign and conventional Dirty Tricks are most decidedly NOT working. Not only are they NOT working, they've backfired on her big time.

The ONLY thing that can defeat the oligarchy is us and for the first time in decades we have a candidate that is completely legit with a history of walking the walk. I truly believe that we can do this.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

11. This is only reenforcing the charge that the Clintons believe they OWN the Democratic Party.

[Geronimoe]

12. Obama beat the Party machine

Hilllary was the Party favorite in 2008 and it didn't work.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

20. +1 n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

30. Obama didn't beat the Party Machine,

the Party Machine decided to hedge their Hillary bets and start backing Obama as well, knowing full well that he was just as much of a corporatist as Hillary but with less baggage.

No, THIS time, we WILL have to beat the Party Machine and that Machine is formidable.

[HomerRamone]

15. 1968

President Trump

[restorefreedom]

17. i wonder

if he will try to paint the white house orange,.....

[Admiral Loinpresser]

21. That is so racist!

Think about how the children of George Hamilton and John Boehner would feel about that comment.

[restorefreedom]

24. my sides!

i had forgotten about georgie.....

[RufusTFirefly]

18. Yes! Vote for the corporatist or else we'll wind up with the fascist!

Makes perfect sense.

Not.

[jwirr]

25. LOL. A great answer.

[Matariki]

27. "You can't fight the party machine"

I don't agree with that.

[workinclasszero]

28. Hey the democratic party helped their front runner in the race???

OMG HOW DARE THEY!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong please but is Bernie a democrat??????

[aspirant]

31. No, Bernie is a Vulcan

here to enlighten the Earth

[Le Taz Hot]

32. Actually, there was a time when the Democratic Party

would stay out of it and let the voters decide who the candidate would be. Maybe we could go back to that. And if you have a problem with Bernie not being a Democrat, you may want to take it up with Deb as she's the one who OK'd Sanders running on the Democratic ticket.

Btw, that "he's not a registered Democratic" thing in real life? It's actually a plus with most people.

[MindfulOne]

37. I just saw this:

The former Secretary of State claims she is the ultimate outsider.

I am gobsmacked. Smacked with gob, I am.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-clinton-im-an-outsider-candidate-because-im-a-woman/

Crazytown. The sky is red, the water is silver, and Hillary Clinton is an outsider and all the moms and dads bring her placemats.

That's right, they all bring her placemats.

[Le Taz Hot]

38. Gag-worthy.

[cali]

36. uh, because it violates their own rules.

[Pope Sweet Jesus]

34. There's a glaring problem with the party machinery

can't get the machinery going without the votes.

Hillary will be swept in IA, NH, SC, NV - and when the March 1st firewall sees that Clinton is not going anywhere, they'll switch to Bernie, and ride the massive wave.

Establishment Democrats will be thrown out. The party machine is broken beyond repair.

[ancianita]

35. Two things make me doubt her leadership. And I'm not bashing her here, either.

re "...“If you want a president who will listen to you, work her heart out to make your life better and together to build a stronger, fairer, better country, then you’re looking at her,”

I don't see her doing either listening or working her heart out in in her campaign which, so far, leads me to believe she wouldn't listen or work her heart out run the country for the 99%'s interests.

re "...invoked her husband as an example of economic stewardship..."

Bill Clinton's stewardship, which she supported, was on the backs of the black people of this country, cutting, cutting, cutting benefits while allowing Wall St.'s economic growth to be part of the tax increase for anything else about the economy. One would hope she's "evolved" and would never think of continuing his "war on drugs" policies. But then, at this point, it runs itself as an almost ironclad legal structure. Also, you can't get "equal pay for equal work" when there is no minimum wage that's a living wage for women and children, or when there are weak unions and no broad-based green job economy.

If elections are about trust, she's far from my thrust threshold. If her best is yet to come, I haven't seen evidence of that. Talking the talk of beliefs and promises is just that.

I also believe she's not as much a feminist as Bernie.