Beyond Hillary's "We came, we saw, he died." Vice News: Libya Crisis (Video)

[Bonobo]

Behind the off-camera gloating of Hillary Clinton on the death of Muammar Gadaffi, there is a brutal reality going on in Libya since 2011. It is a brutality that destroys the lives of the women and children she claims to be the champion of.

If you want to have a look what goes on behind the sound bites and political machinations of our government, beyond the political posing, watch this excellent and informative video by Vice News from 2 days ago.

[restorefreedom]

1. thanks for posting this, bonobo

people need to see the backstories as much as possible.

[Bonobo]

4. Paying no attention after we pat ourselves on the backs...

This is fundamental to understanding the dark legacy of America's interventions.

How much damage can we expect internationally if HRC becomes the president? Quite a bit.

She is a cowboy when it comes to foreign interventions.

[Catherina]

2. She talks a good game. If I didn't know her record, I'd be championing her

after that great speech she gave today but her record is what it is. Recommended.

[Bonobo]

11. Yes, but we must pay attention to the RESULTS of her actions, for more than 1 week.

Stop "amusing ourselves to death".

[Catherina]

13. +1000 n/t

[Uncle Joe]

3. This kind of reminds me of Honduran Military Coup and the refugee problems in our own backyard.

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/08/exclusive_hillary_clinton_sold_out_honduras_lanny_davis_corporate_cash_and_the_real_story_about_the_death_of_a_latin_america_democracy/

EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton sold out Honduras: Lanny Davis, corporate cash, and the real story about the death of a Latin American democracy

In the 5 a.m. darkness of June 28, 2009, more than two hundred armed, masked soldiers stormed the house of Honduran president Manuel Zelaya. Within minutes Zelaya, still in his pajamas, was thrown into a van and taken to a military base used by the U.S., where he was flown out of the country.

It was a military coup, said the UN General Assembly and the Organization of American States (OAS). The entire EU recalled its countries’ ambassadors, as did Latin American nations. The United States did not, making it virtually the only nation of note to maintain diplomatic relations with the coup government. Though the White House and the Clinton State Department denounced only the second such coup in the Western Hemisphere since the Cold War, Washington hedged in a way that other governments did not. It began to feel like lip service being paid, not real concern.

Washington was dragging its feet, but even within the Obama administration a distinction was seen very early seen between the White House and Secretary Clinton’s State Department. Obama called Zelaya’s removal an illegal “coup” the next day, while Secretary Clinton’s response was described as “holding off on formally branding it a coup.” President Obama carefully avoided calling it a military coup, despite that being the international consensus, because the “military” modifier would have abruptly suspended US military aid to Honduras, an integral site for the US Southern Command, but Obama called for the reinstatementof the elected president of Honduras removed from his country by the military.

Clinton was far more circumspect, suspiciously so. In an evasive press corps appearance, Secretary Clinton responded with tortured answers on the situation in Honduras and said that State was “withholding any formal legal determination.” She did offer that the situation had “evolved into a coup,” as if an elected president removed in his pajamas at gunpoint and exiled to another country was not the subject of a coup at the moment armed soldiers enter his home.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/world/americas/administration-weighs-plan-to-move-processing-of-youths-seeking-entry-to-honduras-.html?_r=0

U.S. Considering Refugee Status for Hondurans

Hoping to stem the recent surge of migrants at the Southwest border, the Obama administration is considering whether to allow hundreds of minors and young adults from Honduras into the United States without making the dangerous trek through Mexico, according to a draft of the proposal.

If approved, the plan would direct the government to screen thousands of children and youths in Honduras to see if they can enter the United States as refugees or on emergency humanitarian grounds. It would be the first American refugee effort in a nation reachable by land to the United States, the White House said, putting the violence in Honduras on the level of humanitarian emergencies in Haiti and Vietnam, where such programs have been conducted in the past amid war and major crises.

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Thanks for the thread, Bonobo.

[sabrina 1]

5. Where are all the cheerleaders for that war crime in Libya? I remember the daily cheerleading

we were exposed to about how we were saving the Libyan people from Gadaffi. Apparently since they had it so good in one of the most developed countries in Africa at the time, they fought NATO hard for over a year in order to defend their country.

We were lied to of course, just like Iraq. Some of us saw through the lies and said and were attacked and called supporters of terrorists etc. Same as Iraq, except it was the Right who was doing the attacking with Iraq.

What I learned from the disastrous and tragic invasion of Libya was that the Left, which I though were sincere about Iraq, or part of the Left I should say, were just fine with Libya leading me to the conclusion that it wasn't about morality re Iraq at all it was about politics. Had Libya happened, and it would have, under a Republican, that part of the Left would have been opposed to it.

The lies told by NATO that this was a humanitarian mission should have become instantly obvious when they secured the oil wells and left that country in shambles, with brutal murderers who we armed and supported ravaged the country, murdered and raped and robbed Libyans, committed genocide as Organizations who try to deal with these kinds of tragedies begged for help, but got none.

But not one of those who were cheering for that invasion had the decency to even try to contribute to spreading the word that the Libyan people were being murdered, brutally every day and their once beautiful country had become a horror of death and destruction.

Like Iraq, I saw the photos of dead children and read the pleas for help from Libyans who still had access to any kind of communication. But NATO went deaf once they go the oil.

I also witnessed the war crime that was the murder of Gadaffi, a brutal gang murder and then heard our SOS applaud that horror.

I cringed when I heard what she said. But was comforted when Bishop Tutu and Nelson Mandela expressed similar sentiments saying that 'no decent person could witness that and applaud it' or words to that effect. Mandela called Gadaffi 'brother' and mourned his death.

We know nothing of these nations and/or continents and apparently aren't interested in their cultures and our government lies to get our support for their Imperial invasions.

Libya is an African nation. We sure didn't go there for any altruistic reasons. We tore apart a society that was one of the most progressive in African and helping other African nations with the money from their oil. But hey, no one ever said Empires were not RACIST. They are and our FP could not be more racist if we tried.

[Bonobo]

10. Great post. It's so sad when you realize the truth

Of what you said. It's politics and sports teams.

[Skwmom]

6. Both videos are very disturbing. n/t

[Uncle Joe]

8. Isn't that the truth. n/t

[840high]

7. Thanks for posting.

[Bonobo]

12. You're welcome. nt

[artislife]

9. I know at the moment, H has a lot of the AA and Latino vote

I think the Latino vote is a lot more fluid, but....whatever.

I wonder how other brown people view her. I wrote to someone recently, who was also brown like me that in a Black and White world, it isn't easy being brown sometimes. Well brown in this country is a lot of ethnicities, ones who's homelands have been decimated in the last 5 years. I would be interested in those numbers.

[whereisjustice]

14. Hillary's "Mission Accomplished" moment. She is as out of touch with reality as any Bush.