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Related: About this forumBradCast on Hillary Clinton's Dark Money Attack on Bernie Sanders
Smearing Bernie: 'BradCast' 9/18/2015After a week talking (mostly) about sleazy Republicans, we switch to sleazy Democrats today for a bit on The BradCast.
"There's no chance that it's not coordinated," progressive blogger Howie Klein tells me, while admitting he has no hard evidence. "They'll deny it. It's illegal. If they admitted it, they would all go to jail. But the Clinton campaign, just like the Republican campaigns of Jeb Bush, Carly Fiorina and Ted Cruz and Scott Walker --- they're all coordinating with their SuperPACs."
Also, we discuss the absurd fiction of these so-called "SuperPACs", the failure of the Federal Election Commission (FEC) to do anything about blatant violations of campaign finance laws, and the remarkable hypocrisy of the DNC and the DCCC (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee) in the wake of the GOP's latest threat to shut down the government, this time over a pretend Planned Parenthood "controversy".
Video: Mrs. Clinton wouldn't have said the dishonest Sanders smear her Super PAC said on her behalf
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)What are you talking about? oh -- kill the messenger -- got it.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)OK. yes. They're feeing the Bern, like many other voters who would NOT
be voting Democrat if it weren't for Bernie having the courage of his convictions,
and running a serious campaign for POTUS via a political revolution.
And you have a problem with that?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)BradBlog
(2,938 posts)...are you talking about? We are a NEWS source. Period.
But feel free to slime away. Seems you could use some practice at it.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)She will never respond to you or apologize its what
does when proven wrong so many times.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)It does not deserve this attack.
BradBlog
(2,938 posts)You pretended "research" revealed something it didn't.
You should apologize for being wrong and for making shit up.
You won't. But you should.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)BradBlog
(2,938 posts)Thanks, but I don't need to "read it for (my)self". I wrote it! You are linking to our Green News Report page, which lists our 600+ radio features on environmental news from over the past 7 years.
You began this nonsense by charging in Comment #1 above, that we are a "Green Party source" (emphasis added). While there would be nothing wrong with that, of course, we are simply not that. You are completely and entirely wrong and, seemingly, too dumb or embarrassed to simply admit that and move on.
If you had apologized for the "mistake", I'd have forgiven you. But you'd rather dig in, for some bizarre reason.
Whatever. You've left a good "paper trail" here for why folks should NEVER take anything you have to say seriously ever again.
Best of luck!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)And you have also left a paper trail, I did not believe it before and nothing said has changed my mind. Getting defensive and asking someone if they are insane, wow, nice paper trail.
BradBlog
(2,938 posts)See ya.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)1. So we go from a RW source to a Green Party source for our links?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=605155
You don't get to act all outraged when you started this and refused to apologize when you found out you were wrong.
delrem
(9,688 posts)How can Chris Hayes possibly demonstrate more clearly that he's in the tank for Hillary, and is totally onside with Jennifer Granholm and David Brock? The guy used David Brock's exact words to PROMOTE David Brock's argument, and he went along entirely positively with Granholm's weird "yah, I'm a leading figure in these Hillary superpacs, just so this'll be the last election where sleazeball superpac politics plays a central role" argument.
Hayes could not possibly have been more onside with Hillary's campaign, in that segment.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)A Green source! Oh no.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)You don't know the great work he has done for your voting rights
he is an honored member of DU
http://www.democraticunderground.com/~BradBlog
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Prove it. All of it. That is other than yourself.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)The Green News Report proves that the Brad blog is a green party source?
What about Chris Hayes? He's linked in the OP as well.
Where's your proof of all the right wing DUers?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)You wanted the proof, I provided it, I have said what I need to say.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Par for the course
BradBlog
(2,938 posts)That's the Green News Report. As in, ENVIRONMENTAL News. A nationally syndicated, independent environmental news feature that we've been producing on radio twice a week for almost seven years. (See http://GreenNews.BradBlog.com)
Are you THAT daft?
No need to answer. You've done so already.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)(cough) Are they the ones trying to scare people away from anyone who has environmental news pieces on their blog? 'Cause that sounds like a winger thinger to me.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)what a lame excuse to avoid responding to the actual content of this post.
Enough renewables to power every home in America: Hillary Clinton goes big on green energy.
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/27/enough_renewables_to_power_every_home_in_america_hillary_clinton_goes_big_on_green_energy/
by your silly logic, Hillary is representing the Green party as well.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)I'm not understanding what the problem is.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Brad Freidman is a highly respected progressive journalist/blogger. Democratic politicians love his work especially on election reform and transparency. He is one of the co-founders of the non-partisan Velvet Revolution US for pity's sake!
This is not high school. This is supposed to be somewhat intelligent political discussion on an adult forum.
Perhaps you need to go to a Disney forum or TigerBeat? You really don't belong here with the adults.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people ignore that tactic these days? Dark Money used to go after Bernie Sanders with a bunch of distortions and lies, by a Hillary Super Pac, run by that 'paragon of 'blinded by the Right' or was by 'money' virtue, David Brock is the topic of the OP.
Has Hillary condemned that yet btw? Defended Bernie from that attack as he has consistently defended her?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Of course the Clinton supporters are going to come and say that Granholm went on Chis Hayes without any prompting of her own.
She was bored and had nothing better to do, so she called up Hayes and said, "why don't I come on your show?". And of course her talking points were just her own words, nothing to with Hillary Clinton. She's just casually making observations as a former governor and Clinton supporter.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Granholm resigns from pro-Clinton super PAC
By Kenneth P. Vogel
08/14/15, 01:30 PM EDT
Updated 08/14/15, 09:44 PM EDT
In yet another shakeup in Hillary Clintons orbit, former Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm has resigned from her leadership position at the pro-Clinton advertising super PAC Priorities USA Action and joined a sometime-rival group: Correct the Record.
The move, announced in a series of tweets Friday afternoon, allows Granholm, a polished communicator who briefly hosted her own television show, to work more closely with Clintons campaign as a surrogate. And it potentially could pave the way for her to join the Clinton campaign or perhaps take a leadership post at the Democratic National Committee if Clinton wins her partys nomination.
Thats because Correct the Record in June registered as a new type of political committee that can work with campaigns and party committees directly on research and messaging but not big-money advertising. Priorities USA, on the other hand, is a super PAC that can raise unlimited sums for ads supporting Clinton or attacking her rivals, but is barred from coordinating advertising strategy directly with the campaign.
While the two groups fill complementary roles in the pro-Clinton big-money world, there is a tumultuous history between them.
Correct the Record founder David Brock, the conservative hitman-turned-Clinton enforcer, earlier this year abruptly resigned from the board of Priorities USA, accusing its officials of planting an orchestrated political hit job against other pro-Clinton groups run by Brock, American Bridge and Media Matters.
Brock later rejoined the board of Priorities USA, and the group recently formed a joint fundraising committee with Correct the Record.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/jennifer-granholm-resigns-from-pro-clinton-super-pac-121366
KoKo
(84,711 posts)while showing split screen Hillary's appearances. Granholm pretty much saying she has to do what she has to do as part of David Brock's "Correct the Record" but she hopes in the future she will never have to do it again if we can get a Supreme Court to overturn Citizens' United. She doesn't seem comfortable in her new job.
I think less of Granholm after seeing this and the hit job by Hayes and MSNBC.
MSNBC...Gone to the Dark Side in Partiality
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)crime, in this bribery, is to participate in it? I know we are probably not all geniuses but even a five year old would have a problem with that logic.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)I mean that sincerely. It's hard to do better as a spokesperson than she did there with the cards she had dealt her. I noticed in particular how deftly she pivoted at the end. Rather than comment on the future role that Super PACs like the one she is associated with which issued that Sanders/Chavez "linkage" talking point, she talked about the need to eliminate Super PACs from future elections. That is called a deflection, but it was so well played because it was a substantive deflection related to the question asked her that she chose not to directly answer. All Democrats should be glad that she is part of our overall team once primary season is over. But I would still prefer direct answers from our politicians.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)do is to RESIGN for that Supser Pac expressing her disgust with the fact that it was funded and only legal BECAUSE of what she claims to abhor.
We are not so stupid as to see the ridiculousness of her triangulation. If you see a crime in motion, lies being told, the undermining of our electoral system the thing ti do is what Sanders is doing REFUSE TO PARTICIPATE!
Unbelievable that they actually think people don't see through her deception. How much is SHE taking for her 'work' with that despicable Super Pac?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)BRAD CAST:
http://bradblog.com/?p=11366
After a week talking (mostly) about sleazy Republicans, we switch to sleazy Democrats today for a bit on The BradCast.
I'm joined by great progressive blogger Howie Klein of DownWithTyranny.com, who is also co-founder of the Blue America PAC, to discuss the recent smear of Bernie Sanders by a Hillary Clinton-supporting Super PAC, which is not supposed to be coordinating with the Clinton campaign or vice versa. But are they?
"There's no chance that it's not coordinated," Klein tells me, while admitting he has no hard evidence. "They'll deny it. It's illegal. If they admitted it, they would all go to jail. But the Clinton campaign, just like the Republican campaigns of Jeb Bush, Carly Fiorina and Ted Cruz and Scott Walker --- they're all coordinating with their SuperPACs."
Klein details his assertions and his thoughts on the $1.2 million raised by Sanders in response to the smear, in the 48 hours after it!
Also, we discuss the absurd fiction of these so-called "SuperPACs", the failure of the Federal Election Commission (FEC) to do anything about blatant violations of campaign finance laws, and the remarkable hypocrisy of the DNC and the DCCC (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee) in the wake of the GOP's latest threat to shut down the government, this time over a pretend Planned Parenthood "controversy".
http://bradblog.com/?p=11366
portlander23
(2,078 posts)It seems like this keeps getting worse. The Tilman act made it illegal for corporations to contribute money to politicians, and it was illegal to bribe politicians. Through a collection of truly awful Supreme Court decisions that created doctrines of corporate personhood and money as speech we have today's situation. It's disturbing that we've accepted Super PACs as a part of American elections. It's even more disturbing that Republicans and Mrs. Clinton have officially dropped the pretense of not coordinating with these groups.
This particular instance of Mrs. Clinton attacking Mr. Sanders is particularly egregious because not only does it embrace Super PACs, the substance of the attack was completely unsubstantiated. This is GOP style smear tactics and she should be ashamed.
The only upside beyond Mr. Sanders raising over a million dollars in response, is that regardless of what Mrs. Clinton or the media claim, the Clinton campaign is very worried about Mr. Sanders.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"blogger Howie Klein tells me, while admitting he has no hard evidence."
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I know O'Malley distanced himself from a Super Pac in his name that also attacked Bernie Sanders, rendering it useless. By not condemning it, that is all the evidence we need. That old saying 'Silence is Consent' is a wise saying and based on centuries of observation by some pretty smart people.
portlander23
(2,078 posts)Mrs. Clinton and her surrogates have kinda sorta apologized for smears like this:
Mediaite: Hillary Clinton Surrogate Sorta Answers for Obama Muslim Garb Photo
Hillary Clinton Has 'No Interest' In Running Negative Ads Against Bernie Sanders
I think that's as close as we're gonna get.
Capn Sunshine
(14,378 posts)just to clear things up? I'm kinda lost here.
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #40)
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Capn Sunshine
(14,378 posts)It's not a lot different than DU, where what is desired often becomes what is true. On the same post