Bernie Sanders' appeal to Christian students met with polite scepticism

[leftofcool]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/14/bernie-sanders-liberty-university-evangelical-christians?CMP=fb_us

[arcane1]

1. “It’s not like a bad thing, it’s just the way it is" exactly.

[FloridaBlues]

2. A small amount of supporters there were very vocal .

But many post from Bernie supporters regarding this " the crowd went wild"!
Perhaps not so much.

[leftofcool]

3. The only vocal ones were the ones Sanders brought in from outside the University.

[AgingAmerican]

4. If you watch the whole speech

About 1/4 of the audience either cheered or politely clapped while 3/4 looked horrified.

Those who came specifically to support Sanders were grouped together in the front.

[upaloopa]

5. A preview of Bernie's message to the Tea Party and

Evangelicals and Conservatives in the general election.
"I know you hate Gays and abortion and Obama care but vote for me and I will give you economic justice."

[leftofcool]

7. That pretty much sums it up.

I can't believe he started that speech throwing women under the bus.

[restorefreedom]

10. ? please explain

what do you mean by thowing women under the bus?

he was clear that he was prochoice. it was one of the first things he said.

are we talking about the same speech?

[Go Vols]

24. Yep

But Sanders, in his typically stern tone, didn't shy away and gave a vigorous defense for his views on abortion rights.

"I do understand and I do believe that it is improper for the United States government to tell every women in this country the very painful and difficult choice she has to make on that issue," Sanders said.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/09/liberty-students-survived-sanderss-unsafe-space.html

[beam me up scottie]

18. How did he throw us under the bus?

I'm a woman - maybe I was hormonal or something and missed that.

Please explain.

[leftofcool]

29. This

Sander's "agree to disagree" nonsense only serves to legitimize Liberty and everything it stands for. Liberty stands for anti-choice, anti-gay rights, anti-interracial dating and a whole host of other anti-whatevers. You may see this differently.

[beam me up scottie]

30. No, it doesn't. He started his speech by defending our rights and never backed down.

That's why so many people - including those who aren't Bernie supporters - were so impressed by his speech.

The spin being put on it by Brock doesn't change the facts.

[restorefreedom]

33. "agree to disagree"

what did you expect him to do? try and browbeat them into agreeing with him? stand there and call them losers like trump?

that is the gop way, not the progressive way. we present the facts with passion and hope people will understand

at least he went, which no other dem running can say...

[AgingAmerican]

32. You guys don't know reality when you see it

Even a lot of the evangelicals in the crowd admitted what they were seeing.

[restorefreedom]

8. he speaks to what most people care about

gay rights is a fringe issue for people who would never vote dem anyway, plus marriage equality is decided law.

abortion is long time decided law, and most people support choice in some fashion. again, those who don't are not going to be voting dem.

and the president is leaving, and sane people get that racism is vile and should not be tolerated. the few white supremacists that are political would not vote dem anyway.

this is a non issue

[sibelian]

6. AAAAAAAHHHH, the GUARDIAN.

Yes.

Not as sparkly as they used to be, I'm afraid.

I was reading and contributing obsessively to CIF during the Scottish Independence Referendum. I was at first taken aback by the highly peculiar tone they were taking, which was consistent and and-independence. I spotted the spin patterns fairly quickly and, with a heavy heart, had to re-file that publication in my mind.

It used to be a newspaper. Now it's a tabloid for hand-wringers in Islington.

I'll try to be fair - they did let some of their lovable eccentrics support independence, but... their workforce knew the score.

Take it from me - they know exactly as much as they used to and, these days, say less of it.

Have you read the comments section under that article?

[Ron Green]

9. How they responded to his outstanding speech is their business, based on

whatever biases and life experiences they carry with them.

The fact is that what he said and how he said it is the absolute Gold Standard for political discourse in the United States, and that is why he's our best candidate.

[upaloopa]

12. Yes leave out everything that matters to us

and you can talk the gold standard!
He threw gays and women under the bus and gave his usual economic justice speach like he does to POC.
When you start cutting off pieces of your platform to appease the right you have no creditbility left.

[Ron Green]

13. He did no such thing. What the hell are you talking about?

No one went "under the bus."

[upaloopa]

15. I know you disagree about gay marriage and

abortion, I get that
Remember?
Or did you not listen or read the speech?

[hedda_foil]

17. It won't take you long, since he started out by affirming his support for choice and gay marriage.

Read the beginning of the transcript or watch the first few minutes. To my mind, it looks like you are working off today's talking points from Brock's PAC.

[upaloopa]

19. Brock's PAC? you don't know what you are talking

about.
Go to Correctrecord.org

[beam me up scottie]

22. Correct the record IS Brock's PAC

Clinton's camp has long said it has no plans to attack Sanders. But the super PAC, called Correct the Record, departed from its defense of Clinton's record as a former secretary of state in an email Monday that compares Sanders with Corbyn. Correct the Record, led by Clinton ally David Brock, also has sent trackers after Sanders and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11

[mak3cats]

26. *** CRICKETS *** (eom)

[beam me up scottie]

28. .

[hedda_foil]

23. I know exactly what I am talking about and you should know too if you've been paying attention this

Unless, perhaps, you've been busy posting this nonsense elsewhere.

[upaloopa]

25. If I said things like that I would get a hide

So I won't.

[beam me up scottie]

27. That's what I was thinking too.

There is no way anyone who listened to that speech could come to that conclusion.

We witnessed the birth of a meme.

And now it's been exported to DU.

[Oilwellian]

39. Would that be kinda like catapulting the propaganda?

[beam me up scottie]

40. LOL! Exactly like that!

[Capt. Obvious]

41. Your accusations of meme birthings are what's driving voters to Hillary

They are completely unfounded and you will eat crow over it.

Get back to me when Clinton supporters start claiming that Naderites are endorsing Sanders and you can wield your "meme" claims.

[beam me up scottie]

42. You mean like those nurses?

I resent the implication that we're all naderites!

Next thing you know they'll be calling us a cult!

[mak3cats]

21. He started his speech stating the obvious:

that he expected that most of the students there disagreed with HIS position regarding abortion and gay marriage. Then he talked about things they COULD agree on.

Should his speech have been trying to convince them to become pro-choice and pro-gay marriage? What a waste of time that would have been, considering the audience.

[ibegurpard]

14. you obviously didn't see or read it

Please refrain from commenting until you've done so.

[beam me up scottie]

20. How did he throw us under the bus?

Is this the new talking point?

[restorefreedom]

35. you know it

he will be accused of selling out the very people he has been fighting for his entire career.

meanwhile, ms. "i will talk in my fake southern drawl because I'm here" panderer will be hoisted as the champion of oppressed people everywhere

[beam me up scottie]

37. She fell all over herself bragging about how she would support a ban on late term abortions.

And then there were those impassioned speeches about protecting "traditional" marriage.

And Bernie's the one who panders to right wing bigots???

[restorefreedom]

38. of course. he is the bogeyman. nt

[LondonReign2]

36. "He threw gays and women under the bus"

Wow. Either you didn't actual read/watch what he said, or you've become completely disconnected from reality. His very first words after thanking the hosts were to reaffirm his support for those issues.

Wow

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. Will they respond to Hillary the same way when she speaks there...oh, wait.

Most of her speaking is done on commercials...well funded by corporate America.

[riversedge]

31. Have you listened to her speeches she gives on the campaign Trail??? What do you

mean that most of her speaking is on on commercial???

[restorefreedom]

34. hillary won't go

unless each student coughs up $3000 or signs a loyalty oath.

[mak3cats]

16. Yes, it was...

...but based on everything I've read on the topic of the Liberty University speech, from all points of view, it was a resounding success. It gained him a great deal of respect, and even some "converts" among the students.