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elleng

(131,166 posts)
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:16 PM Sep 2015

Bernie Sanders and the Black Vote

Democratic presidential hopeful Senator Bernie Sanders spoke Saturday to a half empty gymnasium at Benedict College in South Carolina. The school is historically black, but the crowd appeared to be largely white.

This underscores the severe challenge facing the Sanders campaign: African-American voters have yet to fully connect to the man and the message.

An August Gallup Poll found that Hillary Clinton’s favorability among African-Americans was 80 percent while Sanders’ was only 23 percent. A full two-thirds of blacks were unfamiliar with Sanders.

This could pose a problem after the contests in overwhelmingly white Iowa and New Hampshire, where Sanders has surged to tie or best Clinton at this point, give way to contests in Southern states with much more sizable black populations.

South Carolina will be the first test. According to The New York Times, 55 percent of South Carolina Democratic primary voters were black in 2008.

Yet current polls show Hillary Clinton with a massive lead over Sanders in the state. And those polls show Vice President Joe Biden leading Sanders, even though Biden has yet to announce whether he’ll run.

That’s why it’s important not only for Sanders to spend more time in the state, but also why it is important for him to pick a venue like Benedict College. . .

Sanders seemed to understand the challenge ahead of him. He has to win the African-Americans who supported Obama and do so against Clinton’s enormous name identification and the deep connections the Clinton machine has built in the state. And then there’s Biden.

But Sanders’s ability to win Obama’s supporters may have been made difficult by his associations. On Saturday, Sanders campaigned with Dr. Cornel West, who recently issued an endorsement of Sanders.

West’s critique of the president has been so blistering and unyielding — he has call Obama “counterfeit,” the “black face of the American empire,” a verb-ed neologism of the n-word — that it has bordered on petulance and self-parody.

Sanders must bank on his strongest suit: policies. In June, his campaign issued a press release entitled “Sanders’ Agenda for America Helps Minorities” that touted his civil rights record as well as included economic remedies like raising the minimum wage and providing tuition-free college.

Part of Sanders’ problem is that he hasn’t been able to properly promote his message of helping minorities.

I ask Sanders if he believes that the coverage he has gotten has been fair and equitable. Rather than complaining about the quantity of coverage, he complained about the quality, what he called “the soap opera aspect of politics.”

He explained: “So if I go up on a stage and I slip on a banana peel, do you think that will make the front page of the paper? Will it be on CNN? Probably will. Meanwhile, I have talked in 20 different speeches that 51 percent of young African-American kids are unemployed and underemployed. Do you know how much coverage that’s gotten? How much?”

He answered his own question:

“Every single speech that I give I talk about that. I don’t know that it’s made the newspapers yet.”

Well actually, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post have published articles that included essentially that statistic from Sanders. In addition, NPR, ABC News, Newsweek, the Huffington Post, The Week, National Review, RealClearPolitics, Salon, Vox and Alternet have published similar articles as well. But, I guess I get his point: He needs more — more quality and quantity to reach this essential audience.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/opinion/charles-m-blow-bernie-sanders-and-the-black-vote.html?

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Bernie Sanders and the Black Vote (Original Post) elleng Sep 2015 OP
Cornel West maybe not helping HassleCat Sep 2015 #1
You didn't read the context of his message. Barky Bark Sep 2015 #2
What about Obama is a Global George Zimmerman? lunamagica Sep 2015 #6
Link? Barky Bark Sep 2015 #7
link lunamagica Sep 2015 #11
Reading the entire context is good for you. Barky Bark Sep 2015 #13
Yes, I read that he called President Obama a Global George Zimmerman lunamagica Sep 2015 #17
And exactly why did he call Obama Global George Zimmerman? Barky Bark Sep 2015 #22
In no context this is a valid comparison. President Obama and Zimmerman are worlds apart lunamagica Sep 2015 #24
I think the question that is being asked is "How many children of color has Obama ordered killed JDPriestly Sep 2015 #33
Can it be asked without likening the President to one of the most despicable lunamagica Sep 2015 #39
Thank you Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #56
Bernie Sanders said that? Lord Have Mercy Sep 2015 #60
That is because Bernie Sanders never said that. New meme? n/t djean111 Sep 2015 #86
ummmmm sheshe2 Sep 2015 #111
I'm not defending a point. I just explained the question. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #62
Precisely Barky Bark Sep 2015 #40
Have you read this article? GitRDun Sep 2015 #29
Since when is context "spin"? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #8
So, you agree with him? That President Obama is lunamagica Sep 2015 #12
Pfft. Nice straw man but I'm not playing your game. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #14
"Strawman" is your favorite word. Your answer to everything lunamagica Sep 2015 #18
Your response to me was a textbook example of a strawman argument. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #19
In your own words, how would you describe the murder of children directed by Obama. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #54
See post #39 lunamagica Sep 2015 #59
Post 39 does not even come close to addressing the questions I asked. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #63
I'm in favor of the drone strikes. I support them. kwassa Sep 2015 #68
Yep. It is all about protecting "American" lives and little consideration for the people we bomb. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #75
Cornel West is making an absurd and slanderous comparison. kwassa Sep 2015 #64
And that has what to do with what I posted? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #65
You are posting as if context makes a difference. It doesn't. kwassa Sep 2015 #69
Oh ffs. Now you're saying context doesn't matter? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #70
nope, not what I said. kwassa Sep 2015 #71
That's just your opinion and you know what they say about those. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #73
You have the eyes of a hawk! zappaman Sep 2015 #43
I understand what he means HassleCat Sep 2015 #110
All along Sanders has had many opportunities to move further ahead revmclaren Sep 2015 #3
He's not blind. He can see the ever increasing crowds. L0oniX Sep 2015 #4
He admits he needs to reach AA and Latino voters. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #5
So when he loses... revmclaren Sep 2015 #21
You work for a national park and you regularly ask poc who they're voting for??? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #23
Answering this one..it's a gimme... revmclaren Sep 2015 #32
Idiot statements like claiming people who care about the environment prefer Hillary? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #35
Do you seriously think all those who work up here are revmclaren Sep 2015 #41
So they would be better off under Bernie's policies? Good to know! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #49
I have worked here year round for revmclaren Sep 2015 #53
Those charts (I won't put the word in quotes because that's just weird) aren't from DU. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #57
o.o Barky Bark Sep 2015 #42
Idiot bro... revmclaren Sep 2015 #45
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #48
And do they give specific reasons? I'd sincerely like to know Armstead Sep 2015 #27
LMAO ...yea ...I'm sure you do that. pffft L0oniX Sep 2015 #30
I thought I knew you .... TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #36
From one bad speller to another artislife Sep 2015 #15
Cuantos grupos por Bernie existen que son Latinos? Pregunto porque yo personalmente no conozco lunamagica Sep 2015 #50
!! artislife Sep 2015 #72
Gracias. Veo que los grupos mas populares contienen lunamagica Sep 2015 #82
Veremos. artislife Sep 2015 #83
You can go to this Facebook page for starters: Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #74
Strange. The Black CNN reporter present said the Benedict crowd was mostly Black Catherina Sep 2015 #9
Ummm.... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #20
Every single tweet was a negative spin ... TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #26
It was from a journalist who attended. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #28
Yes , I read them.... TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #34
Mr. Blow is not crazy about Clinton either Armstead Sep 2015 #31
Wow, Charles Blow was not cutting Bernie any slack. oasis Sep 2015 #37
So, is Nia-Malika Henderson lying? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #79
Thew crowd staged behind him was mostly black. n/t Control-Z Sep 2015 #85
No qualification was made.. frylock Sep 2015 #101
That's what I saw, too. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #102
i think his message is starting to reach people restorefreedom Sep 2015 #10
And women, and hispanics, and even liberals... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #16
He is already gaining on the womens vote... TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #25
It reminds me of Ted Cruz AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #51
Many liberal whites seem to like Dr. West especially Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #38
I liked him way before President Obama was elected. 840high Sep 2015 #46
So did many of us, elleng Sep 2015 #52
I still like Dr. West in some ways Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #55
Oh, goodie. More divisive, racist bullshit at DU. SMC22307 Sep 2015 #66
The evidence is all in these threads Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #77
So you've racially profiled posters in the recent Sanders/West threads? SMC22307 Sep 2015 #80
That's one thing Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #84
I am a Latina. I like Dr. West and what he said is the truth, I support Bernie. Autumn Sep 2015 #90
For that matter, I agree with some of what Dr. West is saying Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #98
Obama deserves some criticism. Dr. West has every right to criticize Obama,as every American does Autumn Sep 2015 #99
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #106
Tell you what, the only one tossing around your Autumn Sep 2015 #107
Hillary has a proven record in the black community, they know what she has done and know she will Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #44
The southeast has not been at all kind to Democrats for some time, so it's really Zorra Sep 2015 #47
The OP so conveeeeeeeeenlently left out this part of Charles Blow's piece: kath Sep 2015 #58
So sorry I didn't include the paragraphs you like, elleng Sep 2015 #61
Isn't there a 4-paragraph maximum... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #67
Someone upthread said a CNN reporter said the crowd was mostly black. liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #78
I don't know; elleng Sep 2015 #81
Shhhhhh.....this is a hit OP on Bernie.......................... djean111 Sep 2015 #87
That's ridiculous, this is NOT a hit OP on Senator Sanders, elleng Sep 2015 #92
Oh, it is just being helpful. I see. djean111 Sep 2015 #93
Order all the Bernie bumper stickers you want, elleng Sep 2015 #94
Sanders must win over Black Obama supporters with one of the biggest Obama haters in West!? uponit7771 Sep 2015 #76
I think Sanders will try to reach out to every primary voter jfern Sep 2015 #88
Cornel West is not the solution to Bernie Sanders problem with black voters. DCBob Sep 2015 #89
How does he compare to Obama's choice for the South, Donnie McClurkin, infamous for anti gay Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #91
Well your vote was fine. DCBob Sep 2015 #96
Whatever, dude. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #104
He & black voters need honest media. Only social media's compelling honesty has forced MSM coverage. ancianita Sep 2015 #95
In otherwords the "all white audience in mostly white states" jwirr Sep 2015 #97
Who wrote this? Fawke Em Sep 2015 #100
Charles M. Blow oberliner Sep 2015 #109
Black voters aren’t feeling the Bern: Sanders’ problem is bigger than #BlackLivesMatter MrWendel Sep 2015 #103
I know that you're new MrScorpio Sep 2015 #105
An excellent read. And something the black posters here have been saying for months Number23 Sep 2015 #108
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Cornel West maybe not helping
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:21 PM
Sep 2015

He really goes after Obama, calling him "niggerized." Really? Sure, many people think there is not enough hope and change, but West's comments are really harsh. Maybe they're justified, maybe not, but I don't think his approach will help Sanders.

 

Barky Bark

(70 posts)
2. You didn't read the context of his message.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:29 PM
Sep 2015

"A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy," West explained. "So when many of us said we have to fight against racism, what were we told? 'No, he can't deal with racism because he has other issues, political calculations. He's the president of all America, not just black America.' We know he's president of all America but white supremacy is American as cherry pie."

 

Barky Bark

(70 posts)
13. Reading the entire context is good for you.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:56 PM
Sep 2015

West continues: "I think we have to acknowledge that President Obama has very little moral authority at this point, because we know anybody who tries to rationalize the killing of innocent peoples, a criminal -- George Zimmerman is a criminal -- but President Obama is a global George Zimmerman," pointing to Obama's attempt to rationalize the killing of innocent children in U.S. drone strikes.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
24. In no context this is a valid comparison. President Obama and Zimmerman are worlds apart
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:24 PM
Sep 2015

apart.

Keep defending statements such as this from West. I'm sure it will gain SO much support for your candidate from AA Voters

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
33. I think the question that is being asked is "How many children of color has Obama ordered killed
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:36 PM
Sep 2015

with his drone strikes?"

I have no answer, but I think that is the question being asked.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
39. Can it be asked without likening the President to one of the most despicable
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:45 PM
Sep 2015

beings alive?

Anyway, do you really believe that if Sanders wins the GE he won't use drones? He will, he said so himself a week or two ago.

Will he also be a "Global George Zimmerman"?

sheshe2

(83,934 posts)
111. ummmmm
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 10:52 PM
Sep 2015

Bernie Sanders Says He Will Not End Drone Program If Elected President
Source: ABC News & HNGN.com Aug 30, 2015 03:49 PM EDT

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., said Sunday that if elected president he would not end the U.S.'s controversial drone program in the Middle East. Sanders told ABC's "This Week" host George Stephanopoulos that he would continue with the targeted killing campaign but suggested he would somehow reform the program so that drones don't kill innocent people abroad.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141193195

Oh wait...............he is going to "Somehow" reform the program...HokeyDokey

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
62. I'm not defending a point. I just explained the question.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:41 AM
Sep 2015

I find the drone issue to be a very difficult one.

I know someone who was on the receiving end of allied bombing raids in WWII. Drones or B52 bombers? Which is more humane?

Is there such a thing as humane war?

So I was just stating the question.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
29. Have you read this article?
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:33 PM
Sep 2015

It paints a different picture of West's motives...the angry guy I have always seen on TV....except more petty than righteous.

I've never been sure of what to make of West.

http://www.thenation.com/article/cornel-west-v-barack-obama/

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
8. Since when is context "spin"?
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:51 PM
Sep 2015

And a quick google search found this:

In an interview with Democracy Now, beginning at the 24:30 mark in the video above, Dr. West expressed his disdain for what he perceived as Obama's hypocritical response to the killing of Trayvon Martin and the acquittal of George Zimmerman. Speaking to the show's host, Amy Goodman, West called Obama "a global George Zimmerman," comparing the collateral killing of innocent children through the military's use of drone strikes, to Zimmerman's killing of Martin, an unarmed minor.

"We know anybody who tries to rationalize the killing of innocent people is a criminal. George Zimmerman is a criminal. But President Obama is a global George Zimmerman because he tries to rationalize the killing of innocent children, 221 so far, in the name of self-defense... Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen. So when he comes to talk about the killing of an innocent person, you say, 'Well, wait a minute, what kind of moral authority are you bringing?'"


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/22/cornel-west-barack-obama_n_3635614.html



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. Pfft. Nice straw man but I'm not playing your game.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:57 PM
Sep 2015

If you don't like facts don't ask for them.

And since you ignored the context provided in your own link I'll repost that too:

West continues: "I think we have to acknowledge that President Obama has very little moral authority at this point, because we know anybody who tries to rationalize the killing of innocent peoples, a criminal -- George Zimmerman is a criminal -- but President Obama is a global George Zimmerman," pointing to Obama's attempt to rationalize the killing of innocent children in U.S. drone strikes.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. Your response to me was a textbook example of a strawman argument.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:02 PM
Sep 2015

If you don't want to be called out for using logical fallacies don't use them.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
54. In your own words, how would you describe the murder of children directed by Obama.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:08 AM
Sep 2015

And his excuses for doing so.

Do ever stop to think that innocent people are under drone surveillance 24 hours of each and every day and that each and everyone of them may be bombed to oblivion? And the stress of living under such conditions?

Libyan lives matter. Syrian lives matter. Iraqi lives matter.

But not to Obama who, as CoC, bombs the shit out of them and brags about it.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
68. I'm in favor of the drone strikes. I support them.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:53 AM
Sep 2015

They have been a remarkably effective method of reaching terrorist leaders without jeopardizing American lives. There would be no other way to reach these terrorist leaders without putting massive numbers of American soldiers on the ground in politically impossible situations. Drones have been a huge strategic advantage for us.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
75. Yep. It is all about protecting "American" lives and little consideration for the people we bomb.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:12 AM
Sep 2015

Can you even imagine for a moment of your life being constantly under threat of a drone strike and your children your mom your dad being under that stress each and every day.

We will kill you if you go to wedding. We will kill you if you go to a funeral. We will kill you if you try to save a life.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017293149

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
64. Cornel West is making an absurd and slanderous comparison.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:43 AM
Sep 2015

This is a crazy analogy. Putting it in context doesn't make it less crazy.

Drone strikes have a strategic military purpose, and as any wartime strategy, there will be collateral damage. This is war, however. If one associates with terrorist military leaders, one takes chances.

George Zimmerman was not serving a strategic military purpose for the United States. He was an individual racist murderer.

There is no sensible analogy between these two things.

The lack of sense in many of West's statements alienates many people, including me.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
70. Oh ffs. Now you're saying context doesn't matter?
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:59 AM
Sep 2015

The poster asked "What about Obama is a Global George Zimmerman?" and I posted the context.

Why do I even bother responding to someone who just wants to argue?

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
71. nope, not what I said.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:02 AM
Sep 2015

What I did say, quite clearly, is that including the context in which West made his absurd George Zimmerman comparison does not make that comparison any more sensible than quoting it without context.

The comparison makes no sense either way.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
73. That's just your opinion and you know what they say about those.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:06 AM
Sep 2015

Your opinion that claiming Bernie has dual citizenship with Israel isn't anti-Semitic is just as absurd.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
110. I understand what he means
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 01:13 PM
Sep 2015

And he may be correct, but this is a discussion more for an academic setting. It will not benefit Sanders to be throwing these ideas out during a campaign.

revmclaren

(2,532 posts)
3. All along Sanders has had many opportunities to move further ahead
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:33 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:05 PM - Edit history (1)

in his bid to win the primaries. Missed opportunities can destroy a political run even more than alleged scandals. People have been harping on Clinton's bad support network, but Sanders really should look at his own team and find out what is going wrong. I think that he has surrounded himself with yes men and woman who keep telling him 'look at the large crowds...look at all the voters. As has been seen in the past, crowds don't equal votes, and mostly white crowds defiantly don't equal A.A. and Hispanic votes.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
4. He's not blind. He can see the ever increasing crowds.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:40 PM
Sep 2015
he has surrounded himself with yes men and woman who keep telling him 'look at the large crowds


Please spare us the bull shit.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. He admits he needs to reach AA and Latino voters.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:45 PM
Sep 2015

Leave it to a HC supporter to make up a story because they think it helps their candidate, who they'd like us to forget ran a racist campaign in 2008 of course.

revmclaren

(2,532 posts)
21. So when he loses...
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:17 PM
Sep 2015

Will it still be bulls@&t...

Just want to know...

I work in a national park in California. Every person of color I have asked has stated (some in not so nice ways) that they would never vote for sanders. All of them. So the bernie bubble better get larger quick. Not much time left. But keep praying for Clinton scandals...Or keep posting old ones. Since you think my post is bull, won't respond to your response to this...because your response would be bulls@&t!






beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
23. You work for a national park and you regularly ask poc who they're voting for???
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:22 PM
Sep 2015


Cool story, bro.

Do you also ask them about Jesus?

I'm sure people who visit our parks just love to be proselytized to about Hillary, eh?

People who care about nature just LOVE them some pro-fracking candidates.




Why do you support her if you care about the environment?



revmclaren

(2,532 posts)
32. Answering this one..it's a gimme...
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:35 PM
Sep 2015

Not just white folkes work up here. We have up to 2000 employees in the summer, 800 give or take in the winter. Roughly 15% are African American, 30 - 35% Hispanic. And most of the Hispanic workers don't even know who the hell Bernie is. Anyone who would have bothered to even read any of my past responses or posts would have known that I work here. And would have known I'm a Pagan. So no...I wouldn't of asked about Jesus. Maybe Cernunnos, or Aradia.

But keep those idiot statements coming...



revmclaren

(2,532 posts)
41. Do you seriously think all those who work up here are
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:46 PM
Sep 2015

people who want to save the world? Are you that clueless?

Most are people who like me couldn't find work in my home town so I have to work 100 miles from my family just to pay the bills and see them on weekends and some holidays. Many others are up here to 'play' ...climb, hike, etcetera and dont give a fig about who is going to be the next leader of our nation. This is our home...our community that we share and intermingle and live our lives. Yes I know many peoples political beliefs here and you have shown you do not. But you are absolutely clueless and will remain so.



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
49. So they would be better off under Bernie's policies? Good to know!
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:53 PM
Sep 2015

Which just means that once they hear his message and realize that Hillary is just Republican lite they'll come around.




revmclaren

(2,532 posts)
53. I have worked here year round for
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:06 AM
Sep 2015

5 years. I have only met a handfull of people who even know about DU and 'the charts'. And I have seen them all. Yours many times. I do know of one shuttle bus driver who sits in the tv room of my dorm and watches Fox whenever he gets the remote. Watches for hours. He would love some of the posts here.

But of course this is just a story.

DU is the only real world.

And more people in the surrounding communities worry about natural occurring uranium in the water than fraking...although they should worry about both. I do, but not because an anonymous poster on the Internet says to. I just don't think sanders can do anything about it. My opinion though.



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
57. Those charts (I won't put the word in quotes because that's just weird) aren't from DU.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:14 AM
Sep 2015

Since you don't want to discuss the issues in those charts just remember we're all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts.

And I'll have to defer to your expertise on Fox since I don't watch it.



revmclaren

(2,532 posts)
45. Idiot bro...
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:51 PM
Sep 2015

And will remain one.

Well until after the primaries.

Then I have a feeling you'll just suddenly disappear...poof...

Response to Barky Bark (Reply #42)

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
27. And do they give specific reasons? I'd sincerely like to know
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:28 PM
Sep 2015

How much do they really know about him? What has he done or said anything that they specifically objected to?

Are they aware of his actual personal history and his record on issues pertaining to civil rights, economic democracy and criminal justice?

Are they judging by the image and meme created by the unfortunate incidents involving BLM and the spin on that? Are they aware of the changes he made in response to their criticisms and questions?

I really am curious what concrete reasons they have for rejecting someone who HAS stood up for social and economic justice all his life. Have we really become such a superficial image-obsessed country, that we don't even give a hearing to someone like Sanders?

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
15. From one bad speller to another
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:59 PM
Sep 2015

spell check on this site is good and easy.


The Latino for Bernie groups are gathering steam, lots of posts, lots of links to farmer workers and other issues that we care about. I think he will have an easier time converting us, imo.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
50. Cuantos grupos por Bernie existen que son Latinos? Pregunto porque yo personalmente no conozco
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:54 PM
Sep 2015

ninguno. Claro, eso no quere decir que no existen, simplemente yo no conozco ninguno.

La gente Latina que yo conozco apoyan a Hillary, en grandes numeros. Increiblemente algunos quieren a Jeb por Columba. Que absurdo! Pero estos estan en la minoria.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
82. Gracias. Veo que los grupos mas populares contienen
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 02:00 AM
Sep 2015

entre dos y casi cuatro mil miembros.

Veremos si esto cambia.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
74. You can go to this Facebook page for starters:
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:10 AM
Sep 2015
https://www.facebook.com/LatinosForBernie

It's got links to some other Latinos for Bernie groups as well. You'll have to take it from there.

Hillary is supported as a known quantity. Latinos, like most Americans, largely don't know who Bernie is at this point:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/14/bernie-sanders-latino-voters-name-recognition-immigration-healthcare

Bernie Sanders largely unknown to Latino voters – but has room for growth

Polling shows he has ‘very, very low’ name recognition but his positions on immigration reform, healthcare and minimum wage align with many Latinos

Bernie Sanders has surged in the Democratic primary campaign with a cry of “Feel the Bern”, but when it comes to Latinos the Vermont senator is feeling the wrong kind of heat.

Sanders has attracted huge crowds and streaked past Hillary Clinton in the crucial state of New Hampshire but dismal ratings among Latinos could help doom his insurgent candidacy.

Most have not heard of him, creating a big hole in his path to the presidential nomination. Clinton, in contrast, enjoys formidable name recognition and support.

“Polling by Latino Decisions has found that Bernie Sanders has very, very low name recognition and following among Latinos,” said Matt Barreto, a co-founder of the leading Latino political opinion research group. “As a senator from Vermont, he does not have a strong history of doing outreach to the Latino community, or being involved on Latino issues such as immigration or bilingual education.”

<snip>

Can he overcome Clinton's lead among Latino voters? We shall see.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
9. Strange. The Black CNN reporter present said the Benedict crowd was mostly Black
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:54 PM
Sep 2015
Columbia, SC (CNN)Bernie Sanders' first event in his second swing through this crucial state was unlike anything his campaign has seen before. His crowd was small. It was mostly black. And prominent academic Cornel West introduced him as "brother Bernie Sanders."

Buoyed by recent polls showing him closing in on Hillary Clinton in national surveys, and leading in New Hampshire and Iowa, Sanders came to this city to confront a major challenge of his campaign: black voters still don't really know who he is. So Saturday morning, he appeared at Benedict College, a historically black college and a frequent campaign stop for any presidential candidate courting black voters.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/12/politics/bernie-sanders-african-american-black-lives-matter/index.html


The great news is that the crowd loved him.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
34. Yes , I read them....
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:37 PM
Sep 2015

and that was just looking at the negatives and trying to magnify what he perceived . From what I saw from various videos of the attendance it does not equate with what I saw . Like I said a negative narration .

oasis

(49,418 posts)
37. Wow, Charles Blow was not cutting Bernie any slack.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:42 PM
Sep 2015

I cringed at a few of his comments. Blow has been a panelist on various talking head political shows. He's a straight shooter on TV ,but he has to be because the panelists keep each other honest (to a point).

I'm a Hillary supporter, but I hate to see a person of Bernie's stature be roughed up in such a way.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
101. No qualification was made..
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 05:02 PM
Sep 2015

Columbia, SC (CNN)Bernie Sanders' first event in his second swing through this crucial state was unlike anything his campaign has seen before. His crowd was small. It was mostly black. And prominent academic Cornel West introduced him as "brother Bernie Sanders."

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
10. i think his message is starting to reach people
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:54 PM
Sep 2015

of all backgrounds. hopefully in the time before votes are cast he can continue to reach more.

 

SonderWoman

(1,169 posts)
16. And women, and hispanics, and even liberals...
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:59 PM
Sep 2015

This is a huge concern. If he wins nomination and can't get the women and minority vote, Trump might as well start measuring the drapes.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
51. It reminds me of Ted Cruz
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:02 AM
Sep 2015

Threatening not to extend the debt limit, and crash the world economy if he doesn't get his way.

Some folks have this idea that Women, Hispanics, POC, etc, share a 'hive mind' like the Borg or something.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
38. Many liberal whites seem to like Dr. West especially
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:44 PM
Sep 2015

because he has license to use language about the president that no white person can (and Michael Moore tried it).

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
55. I still like Dr. West in some ways
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:10 AM
Sep 2015

I do admire and like the way he is attempting to take philosophy from the halls of academia back out into the streets, where philosophy came from in the first place.

I like some of his earlier writing but ever since his equivocating bullshit over the Million Man March, I haven't liked him as much.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
77. The evidence is all in these threads
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:26 AM
Sep 2015

where white liberals are defending the use of highly racialized language that Dr. Wes uses against President Obama even though a number of black people who might otherwise listen to West's critiques, don't wan to hear that type of bullshit.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
80. So you've racially profiled posters in the recent Sanders/West threads?
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:50 AM
Sep 2015

You're new here... are you keeping tabs as to who is white, black, Asian, Native American, Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian, or Other Pacific Islander? Impressive.

I wouldn't have used West's language, but it's his right to use it. And I imagine there are a number of black people who do want to hear this:

West openly expressed his support for Democratic contender Bernie Sanders during an interview on CNN Tonight. West argued that Sanders' plans to divert wealth from Wall Street elites to the poorest members of society would be beneficial for the African American community.[81] On August 24, West posted to his Twitter account "I endorse Brother @BernieSanders because he is a long-distance runner with integrity in the struggle for justice for over 50 years."[82]


Yeah, we know, @angryblacklady is gonna burn down the internet.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
84. That's one thing
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 02:12 AM
Sep 2015

Ta-Nehisi Coates does not think that Obama, as the President of the United States, really has the moral authority to address moral issues in the black community in his capacity as the President of the United States.

I agree with Coates there.

Call President Obama a "Rockefeller Republican"...I have no problem with a statement like that even if I disagree with it, somewhat.

A "Rockefeller Republican in blackface" is one of the ugliest things that someone could say publically, however.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
90. I am a Latina. I like Dr. West and what he said is the truth, I support Bernie.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 09:15 AM
Sep 2015

Just so you know it's not just white liberals defending and agreeing with what Dr. West has to say.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
98. For that matter, I agree with some of what Dr. West is saying
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 03:53 PM
Sep 2015

but that's not why many white liberals are attracted to Dr. West, right now.

Dr. West is a black-faced critic of their own objections to Obama and Dr. West has turned into quite the minstrel himself in doing so.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
99. Obama deserves some criticism. Dr. West has every right to criticize Obama,as every American does
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 04:37 PM
Sep 2015

I read some of what he said about Obama and I agreed with it. Dr. West was right on the money with this

"A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy," West explained. "So when many of us said we have to fight against racism, what were we told? 'No, he can't deal with racism because he has other issues, political calculations. He's the president of all America, not just black America.' We know he's president of all America but white supremacy is American as cherry pie."


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/22/cornel_west_on_obama_the_first_black_president_has_become_the_first_niggerized_black_president.html

Response to Autumn (Reply #99)

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
107. Tell you what, the only one tossing around your
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 06:18 PM
Sep 2015

n-word is you. I told you I am Latina. I only responded to you because you posted to me and said you liked some of what Dr West had to say. It was an attempt on my behalf to have a conversation that I mistakenly thought you were interested in. It won't happen again.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
44. Hillary has a proven record in the black community, they know what she has done and know she will
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:50 PM
Sep 2015

Continue working for Civil Rights, the fight is not over yet.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
47. The southeast has not been at all kind to Democrats for some time, so it's really
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:52 PM
Sep 2015

no surprise that Bernie isn't doing well down there.

kath

(10,565 posts)
58. The OP so conveeeeeeeeenlently left out this part of Charles Blow's piece:
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:27 AM
Sep 2015

(And BTW, she direct-quoted *18* of the 25 paragraphs in the piece -isn't that a copyright violation? - and of the 8 she left out, there were the 3 I post here)

There is an earnest, if snappy, aura to Sanders that is laudable and refreshing. One doesn’t sense the stench of ambition or the revolting unctuousness of incessant calculation.

There is an idealistic crusader in the man, possibly to the point of being quixotic, but at least it doesn’t come off as having been corrupted by money or power or the God complex that so often attends those in pursuit of the seat behind the Resolute Desk.

Sanders’s message of revolutionary change to save a flailing middle class and challenge the sprawling influence of what he calls “the billionaire class” has struck a nerve with a fervid following.



Hmmmm, seems like Mr. Blow isn't exactly a big fan of HRC... (Also seems he likes some significant things about Sanders, and doesn't paint him as an evil white supremacist racist.)

Hmmmmmm....

elleng

(131,166 posts)
61. So sorry I didn't include the paragraphs you like,
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:36 AM
Sep 2015

conveeeeeeeeenlently, but as you note, there are some constraints against quoting entire articles.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
78. Someone upthread said a CNN reporter said the crowd was mostly black.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:29 AM
Sep 2015

so which one is correct? Was the crowd mostly white or mostly black?Sorry, but I don't believe for one second that Bernie's populist economic message is not resonating with minorities.

elleng

(131,166 posts)
81. I don't know;
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:51 AM
Sep 2015

pics get confused, among stories.

I agree his populist message should resonate, but then there's stuff like this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/118726114

P.S., O'Malley's my guy, and I can't believe more people aren't drawn to him.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
87. Shhhhhh.....this is a hit OP on Bernie..........................
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 05:19 AM
Sep 2015

It does not really accomplish anything, though.

elleng

(131,166 posts)
92. That's ridiculous, this is NOT a hit OP on Senator Sanders,
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:02 PM
Sep 2015

it provides an interesting and widespread view of Senator Sanders which includes a 'note' about his friend Cornel West along with a factual view of West from an African American journalist for people's information.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
93. Oh, it is just being helpful. I see.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:04 PM
Sep 2015

I don't think you are pointing out anything that Bernie does not know, and what you are pointing out will not make anyone switch to supporting another candidate.
Off to order more Bernie bumper stickers!

elleng

(131,166 posts)
94. Order all the Bernie bumper stickers you want,
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:07 PM
Sep 2015

I had NO intention of making anyone switch to supporting another candidate, I thought it would be useful for DUers to see the author's view of Cornel West.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
76. Sanders must win over Black Obama supporters with one of the biggest Obama haters in West!?
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:13 AM
Sep 2015

is this supposed to be some joke?

jfern

(5,204 posts)
88. I think Sanders will try to reach out to every primary voter
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 06:13 AM
Sep 2015

However, the fact is that he doesn't have to win blacks in the primary to become President. We remember how Obama was supposed to be doomed for losing the Hispanic vote and Pennsylvania and whatever in the primary in 2008s. But he won them in the general election.

Hell, he even lost Indiana in the primary, which Kerry had lost by over 20 points in 2004, and then won it in the general. I don't think Hillary would have won it in the general.

Of course he shouldn't take people for granted in the general election. That's not what I'm saying.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
89. Cornel West is not the solution to Bernie Sanders problem with black voters.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 07:28 AM
Sep 2015

I guess he was the only black person of some prominence who would be willing to campaign with him.

Pathetic.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
91. How does he compare to Obama's choice for the South, Donnie McClurkin, infamous for anti gay
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 10:39 AM
Sep 2015

tirades on 700 Club. Calls us vampires and child killers, served as Obama surrogate in South Carolina. Kirbyjon Caldwell, Rick Warren. Those events were openly antagonistic toward LGBT and they were fully embraced by Obama supporters, who attacked LGBT for any objection to being called a child murdering vampire.
So compare and contrast and assume that in my world Bernie has the same rule book as Obama. Show me that Bernie has hired anyone who denigrates minority groups in public. Show me Bernie excusing their hate speech, as Obama most certainly did.

Now understand that in spite of all that aggressive bullshit thrown at us, LGBT still voted for Obama in the General in very strong majority. Now if we are smart enough to deal with all that crap and still move forward, I suggest other minority groups are also diverse and nuanced and capable of very complex political reasoning. LGBT people in fact used all of those nasty events to our own advantage. In the end, all of that bluster went down in a blaze of truth and equity.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
104. Whatever, dude.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 05:37 PM
Sep 2015




Bet you money, you have no clue who either of these people are. But you can bet young (and some not-so-young) black voters do.

And, the African-Americans for Bernie group was THRILLED with Brother West coming out for Bernie: https://www.facebook.com/AfricanAmericansForBernie

ancianita

(36,139 posts)
95. He & black voters need honest media. Only social media's compelling honesty has forced MSM coverage.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:24 PM
Sep 2015

Honesty in rally photos, polls, mobilized donating, promotion logo shopping sites.

In my view, the reason mainstream media don't bother to even bring the issues of America's 15% to campaign coverage, is that the nation's alleged "race neutral" speech and overall silence and ignorance about a systemic drug war aimed at black people is considered "just the state of things."

The aim of the elites' media is for black votes not to matter, for white people to become afraid of being a minority population.

And pro- HRC people might try to use the spin that Bernie's civil rights efforts make him little more than an old liberal dilettante; although he and Cornel West could smack back that in the 80's, policies and laws under the Clinton watch helped make economically devastated black communities' problems almost intractable.

Bernie needs to keep hammering away at issues important to America's 15%; you're right, more outreach speechs toward his 'essential audience' will help.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
97. In otherwords the "all white audience in mostly white states"
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:23 PM
Sep 2015

meme is working. Sad. Who else did they think would be at the meetings in mostly white states? This is a result of a lie (the meme's implications). Congratulations to those who spread that lie.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
100. Who wrote this?
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 04:42 PM
Sep 2015

I've seen tons of pics from this and watched it live - the crowd was, in no way, mostly white.

This meme needs to die.

FWIW, he's gone up from a 70 point deficit to HRC to only 20 points in two months. As he opens more offices in South Carolina, his message will get out.

I know this is anecdotal, but if the Twitter hashtags I follow are correct, there are a lot of PoC who love Bernie and are very vocal about it.

MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
103. Black voters aren’t feeling the Bern: Sanders’ problem is bigger than #BlackLivesMatter
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 05:33 PM
Sep 2015
Black voters aren’t feeling the Bern: Sanders’ problem is bigger than #BlackLivesMatter

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/13/black_voters_arent_feeling_the_bern_sanders_problem_is_bigger_than_blacklivesmatter_partner/

Senator Bernie Sanders continues to pack arenas and often draws standing-room-only crowds as he vies for the Democratic nomination. Though Sanders trails former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in most national polls, he is closing the gap. One poll shows Sanders leading Clinton in Iowa.

Part of the magnetism drawing supporters to the senator is his populist message that includes eliminating economic inequality, challenging oligarchs on Wall Street and advocating for blue-collar workers. Without question, the insurgent nature of his candidacy is igniting excitement in the Democratic base and among many progressive voters who believe a true liberal can win the nomination, and quite possibly, the White House.

There remains one inconvenient dilemma for the Sanders camp: Most black voters have yet to “feel the Bern.”

According to the latest findings from Public Policy Polling, 65 percent of black voters support Clinton while only 14 percent back Sanders. For a man who is heralded as a civil rights veteran by his legion of supporters, that number is not impressive.

In more than a dozen interviews with political strategists, leading black journalists and activists, there is a common acknowledgement that most African-American voters don’t know who the senator is, and that his messaging to this critical voting base has been poorly executed. For many months, the Sanders campaign did little to make inroads with black voters, in person or online. Another problem observers point out is that there is an arrogant and insulting expectation among Sanders’ white liberal supporters that black people should vote for him simply because he is not Hillary Clinton. Others point to him “marching with Dr. King.” Then too, the senator has also bumbled primetime moments from which he has yet to fully recover.

That said, observers believe Sanders can gain the trust of more black voters (but likely not more than Clinton), though many question his personal resolve to do so.

Sanders Media Stumbles and Challenges Connecting With Black Voters

Sanders’ Netroots Nation appearance where he was confronted by Black Lives Matter movement protesters was far from impressive. During his time on stage, activists repeatedly challenged him (they also challenged Martin O’Malley) to narrow his traditional message of economic and social justice to address police brutality. Sanders seemed befuddled and agitated; at one point, he asked Jose Antonio Vargas, the moderator, if he should leave.

Glynda Carr, co-founder of Higher Heights, a national organization focused on politically empowering black women, said that was the first sign for many black people that Sanders wasn’t comfortable digressing from his traditional script and dealing with an uncomfortable interaction.

“That is really what I think catapulted people’s concerns,” Carr said. “The fact that he wasn’t willing to just pivot off like, Okay, here is an action. Let me address it and move on.”

O’ Malley did stumble with his “All lives matter” response to protesters, but he kept his appointments at the event (unlike Sanders), which, Carr says, earned the respect of many people of color.

Sanders’ August interview with Chuck Todd, host of NBC’s “Meet The Press,” also left questions. When Todd asked Sanders if he approved an email written by Marcus Ferrell, his African-American outreach director, in which he apologized for not meeting with Black Lives Matter activists, Sanders gave a flat response.

“No, I don’t. I think we’re going to be working with all groups,” he said. “This was sent out without my knowledge.”

Lauren Victoria, a political strategist, says the senator’s tone was flippant.

“He’s got to understand that the Democratic Party will not win this election without black voters, period,” she said. “So, the Democratic nominee, whether it is Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, or anyone else, has to acknowledge that black voters are important. So for him to go out of his way to say to Chuck Todd, ‘Oh, I didn’t apologize.’ That means he didn’t back the plan of his black staffer who made that apology. I am not understanding that level of discomfort when you are running for the Democratic nomination. Running in Vermont, I can understand that. Running nationally? I can’t understand it.”

Elon James White, media director of Netroots Nation, was more direct: “So you basically threw your black dude under the bus.”

White, who is also media director of “This Week In Blackness,” one of the most important independent black media companies in America, believes Sanders doesn’t seem to care how he is being perceived by black voters who have yet to warm up to him.

“I’ve had Sanders supporters say flat-out, ‘I like Sanders. I really support him. But he is handling this really bad. I am not sure why. I hope he gets better with it,’” he recalls Bernie supporters telling him. “And the fact is that his platform is getting better, which is why I don’t understand why he wouldn’t want to nip all of this in the bud.”

White admits he was actually a Sanders supporter and wanted him to be the candidate who could beat Hillary Clinton. However, he says he was so turned off by what he feels is Sanders’ dismissiveness and the social media attacks from his supporters that, “I’m at the point where I don’t even want to talk about him anymore.”

Luther Smith, a political strategist who worked on John Kerry’s presidential campaign in 2004, has this take on Sanders’ mindset toward black voters: “Sanders attitude is, ‘I don’t have to be chummy with you. I am talking about the kind of things I think should be important to you and if I am saying the right things on those policy issues then you should naturally gravitate towards me.’ I think that is what he is thinking. But that is not how we operate. That is not how most people operate, but that is definitely not how black people operate. We gotta feel you and we have to know that you feel us.”

In 2012, the voter rate for African Americans was higher than white voters for the first time ever. It may also have been higher than white people in 2008, according to some estimates. Black women were the primary reason President Barack Obama won both of his presidential campaigns. Much of Sanders’ narrative challenges economic inequality, but early on his campaign he rarely, if ever, spoke exclusively to black voters about economic racism.

“How irresponsible is it for a major part of your campaign to be on economic inequality and you not weave in double-digit unemployment among African Americans and not weave in the disparities of black women,” said L. Joy Williams, a political consultant who ran the 2013 campaign of New York City mayoral candidate William Thompson.

After Netroots Nation, Sanders’ campaign hired Symone Sanders (no relation), as its national press secretary. An African American who is a staunch supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement, Symone Sanders doesn’t agree with political strategists who think her candidate’s message isn’t resonating with the black community.

“It’s that some African Americans haven’t heard it,” Sanders said. “On June 16, the polls said 1 percent of African-American voters are familiar with the senator. On September 1, it was 14 percent. We know we still have a lot of work to do in terms of name recognition in African-American and Latino communities and young people as well. Our platform speaks to everyday, hard-working American people whether they are black, white, Latino or otherwise. We are talking about economic equality, but we’re also talking about issues of racial justice. We’re talking about voting rights, pay equity, and climate change, which by the way, disproportionately affects people of color, particularly African-American communities. So I think it is a name recognition thing, but we have to go out there and do the work.”

But if Sanders has been fighting for the civil rights of black people for decades, how come so few of them know about him?

“Think about it: How many people do you really know in Congress that’s not your own congressperson, unless they run for president?” asked Bonita Yarboro, the District 3 coordinator in Connecticut for Bernie Sanders Connecticut, which is not authorized by the campaign. “He’s never run for president before, so it’s not like there is any reason for everybody in the world to know about him.”

She went on to laud Sanders’ economic policies that she feels are very germane to black voters, as well as his anti-war stance. When I asked what Sanders’ anti-war stance has to do with black people, Yarboro replied, “Who goes to war? Think about it. Not the rich people. Poor people. Who are mostly poor? Black people. So you have to look at it that way.” (According to USA Today, “The share of black soldiers is still larger than the 17% of the U.S. population who are African Americans of military enlistment age and education.”)

Paul Maslin, who was on Howard Dean’s presidential campaign team in 2000, said Sanders and his supporters are relying too heavily on the assumption that black people will connect with his civil rights record and stance on social justice policies.

“That ain’t good enough,” Maslin said. “This is not a library exercise, or a civics book thing. Of course, people will look at his record and they will be exposed to the record, but the thing that happens first is you get a measure of the person. Is this somebody I can identify with and identifies with me and I believe will fight on my behalf or somebody I could like? I don’t think this is a negative for Bernie Sanders. I just think it is an unknown.”

“Here is some guy who is a senator from Vermont,” Maslin continued. “People may think of him as a socialist. What does that mean? He’s kind of an independent who shows up on my radar and takes on someone we know very well, and we kind of like her and we trust her. At least as of right now. So the burden is on him to first, from a more visceral and emotional standpoint, make some kind of connection. This is not gonna be done in an academic exercise about policy papers.”

Many believe Bernie Sanders is a victim of biased mainstream media. AlterNet published a critique of how mainstream media outlets have either ignored his candidacy or covered him unfairly. Most political analysts and activists interviewed for this story acknowledge that the media has not done a good job of covering Sanders, but argue that he is hardly the only presidential candidate in history who has had to deal with negative and unfair press.

Joy Ann Reid, a national correspondent with MSNBC who previously worked on political campaigns in Florida, said the racist media attacks President Obama endured during both of his campaigns were far worse than anything Sanders has experienced so far.

“He was dealing with attacks on his religion and citizenship,” said Reid, whose new book, Fracture: Barack Obama, the Clintons, and the Racial Divide delves into this very issue. “They were not only coming from Republicans. The Obama campaign believed some of it was coming from the Clinton campaign. They believed fellow Democrats were deliberately attempting to undermine belief in Barack Obama’s very citizenship and his full Americanness. He had to deal with guilt by association with Jeremiah Wright. So, he dealt with far more vicious attacks.”

Yet, Obama, a black man who did not have deep pockets when he first ran, still found a way to overcome it and win two presidential elections. Yes, Sanders has had to contend with unfair media coverage. But it doesn’t compare to what Obama endured. Sanders will have to figure out a way to fight back against negative press just like anyone else who wants be the leader of the free world.

Is Sanders’ Civil Rights Record Being Overlooked?

At least five bills have been introduced in Congress that will fight racial profiling and require police officers nationwide to wear body cameras. While Sanders supports body cameras, he has not authored or co-authored a similar bill that deals with police brutality.

Sanders has released a list of policies he said he would pursue if he wins the general election. When I asked his campaign to provide a list of bills the senator has authored that significantly help black people, it responded by saying Sanders reintroduced a bill to increase the minimum wage to $15 and that he worked with Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-SC) to secure $12.5 billion in the Affordable Care Act to dramatically expand access to community health centers.

Sanders was an original co-sponsor of the Democracy Restoration Act (DRA), which seeks to restore voting rights in federal elections to the 4.4 million disenfranchised Americans who have been released from prison yet are still denied the right to vote. His involvement in the Employ Young Americans Act and his legislative efforts to provide low-income heating and cooling assistance are additional policies that would benefit black people.

No one is arguing that Sanders has done nothing. The concern is that there is a belief that his campaign is operating on the assumption that its candidate doesn’t have to do the work of connecting emotionally with black voters and earning their trust. Part of the problem is that Sanders has never had to depend on black voters to win elected office. Vermont is one of the whitest states in America with a black population that reached one percent in 2011. While Sanders was the mayor of Burlington, which has a small black community, that experience clearly was not enough to prepare him for the kind of spirited pushback he has encountered in recent months.

As helpful as his past record may have been for African Americans, much of Sanders’ most impressive work has been done in the information vacuum of Congress, where people cannot see it unless they are watching C-SPAN. That is not the same as having to be a senator or representative from a state where one has to foster life-or-death relationships with black movers and shakers to win office or get reelected year after year.

Another unexpected development is that the Black Lives Matter movement is reconfiguring how presidential candidates court black votes. The playbook of white candidates simply getting a few influential black people to vouch for them and pointing to their NAACP rating won’t work in the next election cycle.

Black Lives Matter Movement Redefines How Politicians Earn Black Vote

The protest movement is the factor that may well determine which Democratic candidate wins the black vote. Economic equality is certainly a priority for black Americans, but the number-one issue on most black voters’ minds is police brutality — a subject that neither Sanders nor any other candidate has discussed extensively until protesters have forced their hand.

Clinton, O’Malley and Sanders all have to deal with black protesters as political power brokers, something that has caught them off guard. No national politician has had to deal with such a dynamic since the civil rights movement of the 1960s. Clinton’s face-to-face with Black Lives Matter organizers in New Hampshire exposed her lack of reflection over the damaging mass incarceration laws her husband passed as president and she supported as First Lady. Clearly, Clinton has been put on notice, even if she were to eventually win the nomination. Another tricky dynamic in navigating the politics of this movement is that it’s decentralized, challenging candidates to speak with individual protesters and far-flung constituencies whose main organ of communication is social media.

Deray Mckesson, one of the movement’s most well-known protesters, who is not affiliated with any organization, is finalizing plans to meet with Sanders and other presidential candidates. The fact that presidential candidates are being forced to speak with nontraditional black power brokers proves leaderless protesting can be a powerful political weapon.

“When candidates have traditionally reached out to black people, it’s been through traditional organizations and people have been older,” Mckesson said. “So what does it mean to have 19- to 33-year-olds have considerable influence about the perception of black America? It’s because of social media. The movement created that space. No longer is it enough to go to the National Action Network. It’s no longer good enough to talk to traditional organizations and institutions that have traditionally leveraged black people.”

Bernie Sanders’ press secretary, Symone Sanders, says the senator is aware of this new political dynamic and has reached out to a wide range of black protesters. He is also setting up interviews with black media outlets and has been campaigning aggressively in South Carolina, a state that has a high black population and will be the real first test of Sanders’ ability to win the nomination.

The Black Lives Matter movement is challenging candidates to directly explain how they would use their presidential power to stop police violence against the black voters they claim to care about.

“The reality of most of these candidates is that they will never be able to connect with the families of Tamir Rice, Mya Hall or the communities that those folks are actually from,” said Elle Hearns, a national strategist for the Black Lives Matter organization.

“That is what the protests and the interruptions are about,” Hearns said. “These folks who claim to be in solidarity with black people and black voters actually aren’t, because they have no idea how to interact with folks who are experiencing pain and rage. So if you, as a presidential candidate, aren’t able to engage with your constituents around the pain that they’re experiencing, then you aren’t fit to be a president.”

Black Voters Warming Up To Sanders, But Barely

In June, only 1 percent of black people had a favorable view of Sanders, according to Public Policy Polling. That number increased to 6 percent in July, and now, it’s at 14 percent. The uptick in favorability is a positive sign because it is still very early in the campaign season. The political strategists interviewed for this story believe Hillary Clinton doesn’t necessarily have the black vote locked down.

Roland Martin, managing editor and host of TV One’s African-American news show, NewsOne Now, says Sanders needs to tailor his economic message and be more consistent about it if he expects to earn a decent percentage of black votes.

“It has to be a strong economic message that speaks directly to black people,” Martin said. “I think what happens is that white progressives want to be able to speak in these general terms and not speak specifically to black people.”

Higher Heights’ Glynda Carr says Sanders needs to be assertive in making connections with black women.

“Voters still want some competitiveness in the Democratic primaries and having a different voice,” she said. “If he harnesses that voice and actually uses it, I think he could make some inroads, just because there is that opportunity to have some contrast to the lead candidate. He is making the largest gains in the primaries than the rest of the candidates. So that is an opportunity. Don’t forget in 2008 the bulk of African-American women were still with Hillary Clinton and [candidate Obama] migrated them away from her by investing in talking to them about issues that they care about.”

As for those claiming black people don’t want to vote for an old white guy, Carr has this response: “We were a little more sophisticated in voting for Obama for reasons other than him being a black man.”

But MSNBC’s Joy Ann Reid wonders if it is even possible for Sanders to adjust his message to the grand scale required for him to win over a significant number of black votes.

“That is asking Bernie Sanders to be very inauthentic,” she said. “At its core, the Sanders message is that all problems and ills in the country essentially and fundamentally boil down to economic inequality, not racial inequality, and that racial inequality in other areas are a subset of economic inequality. That is his message.”

“I don’t know how he gets away from it, but he has to revise his message in a way that African Americans voters, in a much larger way, become interested in what he is doing,” Reid said. “Otherwise, he is just energizing the liberal white wing of the party. But that is not going to help in South Carolina or Florida. And that is not going to help him when he gets outside of New Hampshire and Iowa. That is his fundamental problem.”

Black Supporters Believe Sanders Has a Shot

Jamaal Green of Portland, Oregon, says Sanders already has his vote and more potential black voters will follow him by the time the primary season begins. Green, who is originally from Washington, DC, knows most black people don’t share his views. Yet that is why he credits the Black Lives Matter movement for challenging Sanders’ civil rights record, something he feels is a healthy exercise for the campaign.

“He was rightly targeted by activists because, number one, he was making public statements and meeting people, whereas Clinton is really big on having private parties with major funders,” Green, a PhD student at Portland State University, said. “Part of why I think people are locked on Bernie is because he is the only one who has put himself out there in the Democratic field to actually be critiqued and exposed and questioned. Whereas, Clinton has been insulated thus far.”

A Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that 74 percent of black, Latino and other non-white women view Clinton favorably. That is far better than the 37 percent of white women who view her favorably, down from 48 percent in July. For now, it seems like female minority support for Clinton will hold, at least until Sanders can articulate how his vision for the country is better for them in the long run.

One black woman AlterNet spoke with is already convinced. Summer Martin, a 35-year-old African American from Dallas, says if the primaries were held tomorrow, “I’d vote for Sanders without even thinking about it.”

When the senator visited her city in July, Martin says the crowd was very much on the “whiter side,” yet small pockets of minorities were there cheering Sanders on. For Summer Martin, Sanders’ message of racial injustice resonates.

“It’s clearcut and it is inclusive of us,” she said. “Particularly as a black woman in America. So what he needs to do now is be better with articulating that message to the country.”

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
105. I know that you're new
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 05:39 PM
Sep 2015

But when posting published articles, only four paras are allowed here.

Please edit your post accordingly.

Thanks


Number23

(24,544 posts)
108. An excellent read. And something the black posters here have been saying for months
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 08:14 PM
Sep 2015

Which certainly explains our new fan base as well as the 400% increase in blocks over the last three months.

But you've posted way too much. Three paragraphs is the max, I think.

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