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lwcon

(3,470 posts)
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 10:16 AM Jul 2012

What is the BEST link proving Romney is a destructive conservative?

Caveat: I'm a liberal ex-Democrat, and thus an ex-DUer (this post, excepted). I'm not here to argue the merits of our respective paths. It would surely result in a fruitless flame war and likely wouldn't be Kosher under house rules.

This is an earnest request for help on something of mutual interest.

Until this week, I'd never encountered anyone who gave up on Obama and the Democrats for left-policy reasons yet who actually thinks Romney is something other than a vicious tool for moneyed interests. But now I have.

Living in MA through Romney's tenure as governor and seeing snippets of the GOP debates, plus a well-earned disgust with the party of Reagan and the Bushes, is more than enough reason why I'd never dream of voting for him.

But I haven't really built a dossier on Romney's awful conservatism, because I rarely interact with people who imagine him having anything decent to offer the average American (and those downstream from America's policies).

Here's what I hoping to find:

* One or more links that built a substantive case about the awfulness of Romney's policy goals, about the conservatism, cruelty, and untimeliness of his agenda

Here's what I'm not looking for:

* Personality-based stuff, trivia, innuendo, out-of-context quotes. Not stuff about Romney's dog, underwear, wealth, how he "likes to fire people," etc.

* Arguments on why Obama is better than Romney. The target audience is people who have (in many cases, quite painfully) broken from the ObamaDem camp, and they aren't coming back, not in this election cycle and probably not ever. But it's possible they'll come to see Romney as a hideous alternative, unworthy of their vote.

In tactical terms, there's half a vote out there for you (a non-Obama vote that won't go to Romney), if you can dissuade friends (or ex-friends, as one may see it) from voting for Romney.

Thank you for any help you can provide, and (I hope) your forbearance.

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lwcon

(3,470 posts)
1. I should add that one of the arguments I encountered...
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 10:33 AM
Jul 2012

... was that Romney is a "moderate."

So, to a large extent, the challenge at hand is to show how he's, in fact, more "severely conservative" than he'll project during the home stretch.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
3. for me personally it is about integrity.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 10:56 AM
Jul 2012

Integrity leads to wisdom,
wisdom leads to good decisions and good counsel,
though it doesn't promise mistakes won't be made.
Integrity requires you keep your conscience clean.

Romney is a liar, period. This ability to travel the nation
spewing outright lies and distortions, which he probably
hasn't even thought up himself, is a distinct sign of a
man operating with little or no integrity. period. For me
it's as simple as that. Your associates staying home from
the vote will help keep Cheat & Deceit in power.. don't
let them do it.

I perceive Obama as a man of great integrity & conscience.
None of us knows a tenth of what he must deal with daily.
But his example, in my opinion, is going to have a lasting
effect and he deserves four more years. I'm looking forward
and extremely hopeful.



lwcon

(3,470 posts)
6. Probably something close to 100% of voters consider their choice...
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 11:25 AM
Jul 2012

... to be of higher integrity and more honest than the alternative(s), no?

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
8. If you ask, most would probably say yes,
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:54 PM
Jul 2012

but many are not paying much attention. Romney's lies
are so blatant, easy to check and disprove. You can only
miss them if you watch only one source of rw news.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
2. I don't have links for you but
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 10:48 AM
Jul 2012

everything you're requesting shows up here every day on DU,
or almost every day, sometimes in such abundance there's no
time to click on even a tenth of the articles.

So if you aren't spending much time here lately, it might be a
timely time to spend more. You don't have to offer caveats
for your politics I don't think -- if you're just interested in
gaining information, not here to debate -- best wishes.


lwcon

(3,470 posts)
7. The occasional tidbit is probably here, yes
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 11:33 AM
Jul 2012

But if anyone's compiled a solid, comprehensive slam on Romney on policy grounds (not on why Obama's better and not on how Romney's a rich weird jerk), it could be useful for various purposes, including my rather specific ones.

It's not enough of a priority for me to dedicate a ton of time to it (and I'm not asking anyone else to spend the time either), just wondering if such a write-up exists.

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
9. You're not going to get "Ultra-Conservative".
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:12 PM
Jul 2012

He's wooing them, but he's not one of them. I would say that he does not have a good plan for reviving jobs, except perhaps deregulation. He supports even MORE tax cuts, which don't do much for anyone who isn't making money, but does a lot for those who do. He has blatantly said that he doesn't care about the "very poor", not realizing that the "middle class" is becoming poorer. If you're on food stamps and you vote, you can't be considering Romney because he intends to slash government programs.

So here's the thing. Romney is interested in doing everything possible to protect the wealth of the richest Americans, and all he's got to do to win is PRETEND to be ultra-conservative long enough to win the election.

And I'm sorry, but I can't encourage you to stay home, because we need a Democrat in the Senate.

lwcon

(3,470 posts)
15. I don't think "ultra-conservative" is the necessary threshold to reject Romney
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:34 PM
Jul 2012

I don't think this country needs any sort of conservative, especially not in such a deep recession and especially with America so aggressively involved in imperialistic misadventures and shredding civil liberties like mad.

P.S., I'm not staying home on election day. I think I'd best leave it at that, in deference to house protocol.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
4. To build Bush's globalization, deregulation, privatization & cuts in taxes & government spending.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 11:05 AM
Jul 2012

Basically Romney wants to carry on and build what Bush left us with

The hard-core Republican drive to minimize government is the center of it all.

http://www.ldnews.com/ci_20795390/romney-using-bushs-failed-playbook?source=most_viewed

lwcon

(3,470 posts)
5. Thank you
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 11:13 AM
Jul 2012

I wish the author had backed it up with quotes and policy statements, but that's in the general direction of what I'm looking for: what Romney's political agendas are, and why they're no good.

Response to lwcon (Reply #5)

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
10. I would add.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:14 PM
Jul 2012

Go to www.romney.com and look at what he proposes, and see if it makes sense to you. I think that's the best way to get the information you're looking for.

lwcon

(3,470 posts)
13. I did just do that in the ongoing debate
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:26 PM
Jul 2012

Hard for me to figure how a left/lib/prog could think Romney's not yet another crappy conservative.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
16. Romney is right-wing, elitist, clueless, and devoid of scruples, but not "conservative"
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:37 PM
Jul 2012

He seeks to conserve NOTHING. Not the economy, not the environment, not the nation's health, not what is left of our good will abroad, NOTHING. They call themselves "conservatives" but they are no more conservative that a cement mixer is an air liner.

lwcon

(3,470 posts)
17. I agree that "conservative" is, if taken literally, something of a misnomer. But...
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:57 PM
Jul 2012

... in conventional usage, it's the term that commonly describes the Reaganesque sort of politics of the modern era.

Though they do try to preserve some of America's most retrograde status quos, so they've got that going for them in terms of earning the title.

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