2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRobert Reich on Bernie Sanders' popularity...
https://www.facebook.com/RBReich?fref=nfRobert Reich
5 hrs · Edited ·
I dont understand it, a political reporter Ive known for years told me this morning. A new poll shows Sanders leading in Iowa. Hes leading in New Hampshire. It makes no sense.
It makes sense to me, I said.
"Well then, explain it to me."
Bernie is speaking about whats true and important the plundering of our economy and the pillaging of our democracy by big corporations and Wall Street and billionaires.
But thats been going on for years, he said. Why now? Why are Americans suddenly waking up to it?
Because its reached a tipping point. I explained. There hasnt been this much inequality of income, wealth, and political power since the Gilded Age of the 19th century. Americans are fed up.
But theyre disillusioned with politics. Few even vote. So why are they suddenly becoming involved now? How do you explain the crowds? he asked.
Because in Bernie theyre discovering someone who isnt afraid to tell the truth or to propose big solutions.
Maybe youre right, said the reporter. But Ill believe it if he wins Iowa and New Hampshire.
Stay tuned, I said.
What do you think?
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)stopwastingmymoney
(2,042 posts)trof
(54,256 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,378 posts)Thanks for the thread, babylonsister.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I'd love to see him working in a Sanders cabinet. Maybe we'd see some improvement!
trof
(54,256 posts)If that's needed.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Ba-dah-bop. Ching.
(I'm only 5'1", so I can make the short jokes)
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)the electorate at large, they are aware that things are not right but once you get outside into the mainstream they just do not know. They cannot connect the problems with the candidates, they can say yeah "Wall Street runs everything" then go right back to voting for a Clinton or a Bush. So I think early on Bernie is revealing the discontent and the fact that we know who is to blame but it has to go farther, much farther.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)has hit the nail squarely on the head.
I hope to see him in a prominent role in the Sanders administration. He never fails to GET IT.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)appalachiablue
(41,156 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)appalachiablue
(41,156 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)... I saw him back in 1917! He used be Sam Sanders!!!
deutsey
(20,166 posts)appalachiablue
(41,156 posts)Go Bernie Go!
~ If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. ~ Thomas Paine.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)appalachiablue
(41,156 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
ybbor
(1,554 posts)Bern baby Bern!
fbc
(1,668 posts)sounds fake, unlike Bernie
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)In fact, it probably is.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)reporter friend is beltway clueless.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Reich changed his tune a long time ago. He's one of the good guys. He's on our side.
inequalityforall.com/
His movie was on Netflix for a long time or it can be watched online.
DrBulldog
(841 posts)That is what everyone has been saying - we've all seen this guy before, long ago ... he used to be Albert Sanders!!!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Bill were in college together in England and they were friends. When Bill was elected he appointed Robert Reich as Labor Secretary.
Robert was very excited about the appointment because he thought that NOW he could do some of the things that they had discussed while in college.
He goes on to say that did not happen. Bill had other ideas so Robert never got the chance to put his own ideas into practice.
He is now supporting Bernie.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)most of them and if they do just dance around the topic with vague answers. You know theyre bullshitting.
zentrum
(9,865 posts).will be in Bernie's Cabinet.
appalachiablue
(41,156 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)Beartracks
(12,819 posts)appalachiablue
(41,156 posts)NJCher
(35,694 posts)I got a good chuckle out of them. Did you think that idea up yourself?
Clever.
You should post in Cooking & Baking; I know they would get a laugh.
Cher
appalachiablue
(41,156 posts)As you suggested, I just posted the goodies in the Baking & Cooking group. *DUer Zentrum made off with the box! but left one, thank goodness. Teasing.
I used to enjoy making banana nut bread, peach cobbler, cranberry and lemon-poppy seed scones and a fantastic King's Cake for Mardi Gras. Alas I've lapsed but might return to baking a bit one day.
Dustlawyer
(10,496 posts)My biggest worry is the underhanded tricks they will use to stop him. He is fighting for regaining control over our government, plain and simple! In the past they bought the bills they wanted and got a great return on investment at our expense. By fighting for publicly Funded Elections he is, in effect, fighting to remove their control. They will go all out
We need to have exit polling of our own to catch the vote stealing that WILL take place!
appalachiablue
(41,156 posts)in this critical time. The powers will make sure to close off any similar challengers like Bernie the next time. We are in crisis as our middle class, economic stability and social fabric are deteriorating rapidly as Bernie realizes. The country can't go on this way.
Agree that in this key election widespread voter suppression enabled by the SC's gutting of the VRA in 2013 and corruption of electronic voting machines will be a real and dangerous factor.
We must continue to build support for Bernie, and remain steady, unified and determined in the upcoming fight. Then begin to create a real political revolution and reform to change the course of this great country. The way I see it anyway.
~ If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. ~ Thomas Paine.
Dustlawyer
(10,496 posts)A Republican Internet security expert has pointed out where Rove's IT guy was connected to the group in TN that hacked by inserting a "King" computer in the vote reporting loop. This computer could pose as the vote tabulating computer and receive the actual votes. It then can change the results and pose as the precinct computers and report the false vote totals to the official tabulating computer. For two million dollars, according to this expert, you could rig the election and pick your POTUS!
This is a fight for control of our own government! The PTB control it now through campaign contributions, but they have several other things, like you mention, the VRA, electronic vote hacking, and constant propaganda over their media. This is more than getting Bernie elected, WE have a lot more work to do, but we do have to get him elected first.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)with regard to how they run their machines.
It is insane that we do not require a hand-countable back-up vote for every vote that enters a voting machine. I think that the voting machines should produce two receipts. Both would show that the voter has voted and how. The first receipt would be given to the voter. The second to the local registrar's office and be available should the outcome of the vote be very close and need to be counted by hand.
Dustlawyer
(10,496 posts)risk losing campaign contributions. We the people will have to demand that this be changed or they will screw us every time! This is a war over control of our government! None of this is a mistake or accidental. The media do not discuss it because they own the media too.
This will be our best chance to get control of our country back, we must not waste the opportunity! We must draw attention to the problem and demand it be changed to protect the integrity of our elections. We need to set up exit polling so that they know we are watching. There is a reason the networks stopped doing exit polling and it is not because of the expense as they claim!
Feel the Bern!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)the corporate cows.
One more reason to support Bernie!
ymetca
(1,182 posts)to be able too look up and verify your post-tabulation vote, by inputting into a website a random-generated key code from the bottom of your receipt. That way the code can only bring up your actual vote, making it difficult to present you with a fake alternative that makes it appear your vote was tabulated correctly. In other words, each ballot would have an accompanying key code that only your ticket matches. It would be the only way vote hacking could actually be caught in a reasonable amount of time. Then we'd have a quick and accurate way to do "exit polling" to see if the official reported count was way off, and provide evidence that a recount was needed.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Mr. Evil
(2,853 posts)With the emergence of Bernie Sanders they are slowly awakening from their apathy. Now you have a candidate that isn't a multi-millionaire, isn't in the pocket of Wall Street, Big Pharma or Big Oil. Even though he is Jewish he doesn't automatically sing the praises of the almighty Israel. He is honest, forthright and has a voting record to prove it. He isn't perfect but, he's the closest to perfection we've had in decades.
So please, when the time comes, go vote. And make sure that vote is cast for Bernie Sanders. Don't be lazy. Don't be afraid and definitely don't forget! It really is that important!
An excerpt from a recent article:
Im proud to be Jewish, the Independent from Vermont and candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination responded Thursday at a press breakfast hosted by the Monitor. Though, he added, Im not particularly religious.
As a child, Sanders said, being Jewish taught him in a very deep way what politics is about.
A guy named Adolf Hitler won an election in 1932, the senator said. He won an election, and 50 million people died as a result of that election in World War II, including 6 million Jews. So what I learned as a little kid is that politics is, in fact, very important.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)with Bernie stickers!
navarth
(5,927 posts)it would be 5!
And my wife's....6!
840high
(17,196 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)actually mean anything!
DrBulldog
(841 posts)The millennial generation would then learn - in an entertaining fashion - for the first time why CIVICS and ECONOMICS was so important to learn back in the 50s and 60s when America last had a thriving middle class.
Capn Sunshine
(14,378 posts)Being an adjunct professor at UC Berkeley, he only need reach out a hand and he will touch a progressive.
His keen sense of the growing outrage of the tattered remains of the middle class is a touchstone that journos should use more often.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)I support Sanders, but he's trailing Hillary Clinton nationally by 10 points:
"Mrs. Clinton is getting support from 37 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters, with Senator Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent who is running in the Democratic contest, getting 27 percent."
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/10/hillary-clintons-support-erodes-in-national-poll/
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)states got to know him.
The DNC is limiting thbecause they don't want the American people to get to know Bernie.
I think Biden is being pressured to run because they hope that Biden's personality will win a sympathy vote from Bernie.
I think that the powers that be in the Democratic Party have no idea how very unhappy the people of America are with the fact that we have technology that makes our work superfluous in many cases but that the economic bounty that is gained by that technology has gone almost entirely to the top 1%.
I don't think that the bigwigs realize how a person's life is damaged when a person loses a job, has to get by on wages from fewer hours or has to work an irregular, unpredictable schedule to save the bosses money. I don't think they understand that the very rich and all of us are happy about the great new technologies that have replaced so many middle class jobs but that the wealth created by those technologies has almost all flowed to the very richest Americans.
Too many ordinary Americans lost their jobs and homes thanks to criminal banking and mortgage company actions.
Too many ordinary Americans lost their jobs, too many towns lost their industry and tax bases, all because of a trade policy that sounds great to the top 1% and the politicians but has brought disaster to ordinary Americans.
Too many ordinary Americans see the results of climate change in their back yards. In Washington, California and other states, huge forest fires have ignited making the air unbreatheable, ruining scenic vacation and weekend refuges and Washington, D.C., even Sacramento, California have done nothing about it.
And then there is Citizens United which, coupled with racism, is preventing America from progressing, from even hearing about new, good ideas for coping with our many problems.
We saw during the Bush era how supposed foreign policy crises were pushed on us as needing so much urgent attention that our needs and our problems, like not being able to educate or provide reasonably priced good child care for our children, like pensions for seniors, like really universal health care, amenities people in other developed nations take for granted, could not be met.
We are sick of hearing that meme. America is not going to solve the world's problems. We have been trying to do so since the end of WWII, and we have not succeeded. We need a policy in which we work more with other countries and less against them. That won't solve all the world's problems, but it will allow us a breather to solve some of ours.
Yes. We have really reached a tipping point.
Sanders has kept in touch with the American people while the pundits and politicians riled them up over what they thought we should be "concerned" about. They were wrong.
Bernie's policies are just right for this moment in history.
That is why he is gaining momentum so quickly.
Judging form the Colbert interview of Biden last night, it appears that the status quo folks want to push him to run. Hillary is not fighting their fight successfully so now Biden is going to be raised as the banner of the business as usual crowd.
It could work, but I am inclined to think it will not. In the entire interview, there was not one word about new policy or how to deal with the problems the Berrnie campaign has brought to the fore.
Biden is a really nice guy.
But he would have to distance himself from the credit card companies who have supported his career as well as from the Obama administration's policies on health care, on education, on war, on so many issues, that I just don't think he should run.
If he breaks too clearly from the Obama administration, he looks disloyal. If he sticks to the policies of the Obama administration, he is not offering the new ideas we need to deal with the issues that the Obama administration has bungled -- like too big to fail banks, like people without health care, like reforming public education without privatizing it, like making sure our kids get to go to college and don't have to join the military to go for free, like the environment and the really aggressive programs we need to prevent the extinction of our species, etc.
Feel the Bern!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)what many people have been feeling for quite a while but that has been locked out of (or manipulated by) the media and political establishments.
The fact that this "political reporter" is so baffled by the support Bernie has indicates to me just how clueless he, his colleagues, and those whom they cover really are.
However, as much as I support Bernie, I have a hard time believing someone like him has a fair chance in our tilted electoral process to win.
Even so, he has my vote until he is no longer running.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)with Bernie on Thom Hartmann for all these years.
They have no idea that many of us know Bernie so well, the heart and soul of Bernie, because we have listened to him on the radio or the internet.
The pundits and politicians think they are THE LOOP when in fact for years now, they have been OUT OF THE LOOP.
They just listen to themselves, to each other, to the noise they make about stupid stuff. They've been doing that since I can remember.
Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders has been talking to listeners and to Thom Hartmann for years -- about the issues.
Bernie did not need a listening tour at the beginning of his run because HE HAS BEEN LISTENING TO THOM HARTMANN'S CALLERS for years now. Years.
This is quite a funny, an ironically funny situation.
The wages of hubris and self-satisfaction, of deafness, of making no effort to listen to the American people, are finally being paid to this arrogant, deaf, insensitive bunch that run our media and our government.
We need more liberal, really liberal radio.
Thanks to the internet, we can have it.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... the pandemic of AD/OS (Attention Deficit/Oh, Shiny!)
The current level of enthusiasm cannot merely be maintained, it must expand exponentially to overcome the ever-intensifying malice and underhanded dirty tricks that supporters of Her Eminence will employ as the primaries draw closer. And then there's the mindless savagery and despicable treachery of Republicans in the General Election to deal with.
I believe, and hope with all my heart, that Bernie can win it all, but when evil greed is confronted with honest decency, the proverbial substance hits the fan with a resounding splat.
Get ready to get dirty.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)I think the nation is about to Feel The Bern!
He's gonna steamroller the competition.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)for those inside the Corporate Bubble AND those who don't WANT to get it!
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)aren't journalists supposed to talk to people other than the establishment, and find things out for themselves?
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And to so many of the great replies to the OP.
Bernie just needs to keep talking!