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littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 09:35 PM Jul 2012

on Ann Romney's"you people"

it seems that ABC and the New Yorker
have said Ann Romney didn't say it ...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/did-ann-romney-say-you-people-the-road-argument-at-a-truck-shop-boehner-on-bachmann-rubios-anti-pledge-drive/


You People? – What Did Ann Romney Say About Mitt’s Taxes on GMA? – There’s a Debate Online.
Was it – “And we’ve given all people need to know and understand about our financial situation and about how — you know, how we live our life.”
Or was it – “And we’ve given all you people need to know and understand about our financial situation and about how — you know, how we live our life.”
Our ruling after reviewing the original audio is that she did not include the “you.”
Judge for yourself - http://abcn.ws/PnqXZP


http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/07/ann-romney-you-people-taxes-video.html

As a rule of thumb, "you people" is not a very nice way to address a group of people. Sometimes, it comes off as racist. Or it can seem scornful and condescending when the utterer is, say, extraordinarily wealthy and "you people" refers to the American public. So when Ann Romney told Good Morning America today that she and her husband had released "all you people need to know and understand about our financial situation," it was the verbal equivalent of watching her trample a homeless man on her dressage horse, and predictably, the quote went viral.
The only problem is that, after watching the video, we're pretty sure she never said it.

snip

Sounds more like "We've given all [stumble] people need to know," if you ask us. The letter y definitely makes an appearance in there, but the word you does not. Maybe Romney was going to say, "We've given all you need to know," and decided at the last moment to replace "you" with "people."


the reason I am posting this is to provide a different look at this situation.

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on Ann Romney's"you people" (Original Post) littlewolf Jul 2012 OP
I heard "you people." rateyes Jul 2012 #1
So did I. femmocrat Jul 2012 #10
sounds like they tried to edit it Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2012 #2
why would GMA /ABC ... and the New Yorker littlewolf Jul 2012 #3
It's FM liberal N proud Jul 2012 #4
always called it PFM littlewolf Jul 2012 #6
who you gonna believe? riverwalker Jul 2012 #5
Smacks of something Dan Rather said today: Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #7
understand .. but like I said .. have alot of hearing damage littlewolf Jul 2012 #8
Not questioning you, littlewolf. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #9
Bullshit. LuvLoogie Jul 2012 #11
COMPLETELY AGREE!!! THE link provided is so poorly doctored Malikshah Jul 2012 #12
I think there's still a little cake in the fridge. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #13
I heard it last night as well. MIDNITERIDER1438 Jul 2012 #14
She clearly said You People. nt avebury Jul 2012 #15
If you listen carefullyto the clip posted on nymag.com you can still hear her say the work you avebury Jul 2012 #16
Reality of her thoughts shanen Jul 2012 #20
Either way, it's condescending and dismissive. arbusto_baboso Jul 2012 #17
“And we’ve given all you people need to know..." Very clear. n/t jenmito Jul 2012 #18
Your last paragraph nails it. Igel Jul 2012 #19
That's it. I'm disinviting her to my beer pong party. kaiden Jul 2012 #21

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
3. why would GMA /ABC ... and the New Yorker
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 09:48 PM
Jul 2012

give cover for something like this ?
does not make sense ....

I have some seriously hearing damage so
I can not tell exactly what she said ...

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
6. always called it PFM
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 09:53 PM
Jul 2012

Pure F*cking Magic ...
especial when a communications circuit
would come up and no explanation ...

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
5. who you gonna believe?
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 09:52 PM
Jul 2012

the GOP or your lying ears?

I saw on Twitter the GOP got the memo to say she didn't say "you". So I listened and listened again, and CLEARLY she says you people.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
7. Smacks of something Dan Rather said today:
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:00 PM
Jul 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002975252

A New York Times front-page article Monday detailed a new phenomenon in news coverage of the presidential campaign: candidates insisting on "quote approval," telling reporters what they can and cannot use in some stories. And, stunningly, reporters agreeing to it.

This, folks, is news. Any way you look at it, this is a jaw-dropping turn in journalism, and it raises a lot of questions. Among them: Can you trust the reporters and news organizations who do this? Is it ever justified on the candidate's side or on the reporter's side? Where is this leading us?


No approval, then get the sound engineers on it.



Sorry, OP - heard it with my own ears. Not buying the post-blowup "explanations" on this one. #YouPeople was trending at the top of twitter all day apparently, too. So, I don't feel alone...

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
8. understand .. but like I said .. have alot of hearing damage
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:06 PM
Jul 2012

so I can not make it out .... I saw the NYorker ... and thought
they would be unbiased

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
9. Not questioning you, littlewolf.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:11 PM
Jul 2012

I don't trust that those friendly to Willard aren't trying to tweak that to make it go away.

Malikshah

(4,818 posts)
12. COMPLETELY AGREE!!! THE link provided is so poorly doctored
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:54 PM
Jul 2012

They got most of the "you" cut out...but not all.

The version I heard and was replayed has it clear.

The cover up by ABC is only going to serve to blow this thing up. SHAME ON ABC! Serious breach of journalistic ethics....

avebury

(10,952 posts)
16. If you listen carefullyto the clip posted on nymag.com you can still hear her say the work you
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:33 PM
Jul 2012

before she say people. It is a poorly doctored clip. I watched a clip of the interview yesterday where is was 100% clear that she said YOU PEOPLE.

 

shanen

(349 posts)
20. Reality of her thoughts
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 06:56 PM
Jul 2012

Okay, so her speaking coach messed up. I think the "you people" is certainly what she was thinking--but quite probably in the sense of "you non-Momon gentile people" rather than "you non-wealthy peasant people".

What I want to see is the pastiche video showing what Romney is REALLY thinking: "Vote for me so that government of the corporations, by the lawyers, for the richest 0.1% of Americans, shall rule the earth!"

Sometimes the truth can only be captured with a touch of fiction. Hemingway was right about higher truths...

arbusto_baboso

(7,162 posts)
17. Either way, it's condescending and dismissive.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:40 PM
Jul 2012

Plus, she's got a history of this kind of shit-talk. She said that for her and Mitt it is "their turn" for the White House. So, whether "you people" was stated or not doesn't matter.

Igel

(35,323 posts)
19. Your last paragraph nails it.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jul 2012

Several times she said "you", referring to what the interviewer said others wanted.

It sounded strange the first time she did it, because it made the interviewer out as the person doing the asking. Granted, it was "media folk" and the interviewer was one, but it was unnecessarily defensive and sounded that way.

She started to say "you" again and then swapped it out for "people." She got out the sound [y] (English letter "y&quot and even a bit of the /u/, but she never finished the sound. Not long enough, no rounding at the end of the word (typical for her pronunciation). It's a kind of dysfluency, one that's called (conversational) repair. You've goofed in some way and need to fix your sentence.

It could have been a sloppy edit. But why would it be that really good editors that splice things together in ways that you need really good software to identify suddenly go editing-dumb? Using freeware on my ancient PC little ol' amateur me could have done a better editing job.

Most telling, though, is that the sentence and word level stresses were wrong. When you say "you people" in a condescending way primary stress falls on "you" because "you people" is a phrase, not separate words. At best there's secondary stress on "people." In this clip "you" is fully destressed and "people" bears primary stress. In some social dialects of English that may be okay for a condescending "you people", but I don't know of one used by middle- or upper-class speakers of anything close to standard American English. Those using Obama's quote "you didn't build that" are attacked for pulling a whole sentence out of context and ignoring the rest of the discourse--then we pull half a syllable out of context and act like that's a really good way of doing things?

The string "you people" isn't aways condescending even if it's isn't a case of repair. "Hey, you---people standing there in the rain--there's room in here!" Again, native speakers seem to lose their native competence when there's a self-supporting reason to do so.

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