2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Overtakes Hillary Clinton in Latest Iowa Poll, Continues Leading in NH
The Vermont senator is favorite among 41% of Iowa likely Democratic particpaints, compared with 40% supporting the former Secretary of State, according to a Quinnipiac poll released Thursday. That marks a major reversal from early July, when Clinton was ahead of Sanders, 52% to 33%...
Sanders is also polling ahead of Clinton in New Hampshire, the second Democratic nominating contest.
Link to article: http://time.com/4028812/bernie-sanders-iowa-poll/
Yes!! Go Bernie!! I'm sure that the mainstream media will attempt to minimize this poll as mere statistical noise, but to me, it's the sign of something really great to come. It shows that the momentum for Bernie Sanders is growing, and that he definitely hasn't hit his ceiling.
Hopefully wins for Bernie in Iowa and New Hampshire will generate enough momentum to make him competitive on Super Tuesday.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)LOL..........
bvf
(6,604 posts)Very encouraging news.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Updated 1 day ago
peacebird
(14,195 posts)PuraVidaDreamin
(4,101 posts)Feel the Bern!
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)They are consistently the outlier poll in every poll. 2 polls last week had HRC at +25:
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Just like in '08
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Quinnipiac's last Democratic Primary poll for Iowa was two months ago, in July. They didn't release Iowa polls last week with Hillary at +25 in Iowa.
Quinnipiac University has a B+ from FiveThirtyEight. Given that it's a decent polling institute, and quoted often by major news corps from Washington Post, to Time, to CNN, chances are that the very fact that this poll has come out with these numbers might lead to a faster climb in other polls for Bernie.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Well trained.
mak3cats
(1,573 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)...when they like what they are saying, are the exact same ones calling them wrong when "the polls" turn around against them?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
tavernier
(12,394 posts)for all the big snorting horses galloping and nipping at each other down the track.
I hope that continues!
nxylas
(6,440 posts)But I'm, shall we say, quietly optimistic nonetheless.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Every percent gain he makes takes him a percent closer to that level.
It is a mathematical certainty, it is absolutely inevitable (I mean really, technically it cannot go beyond 100 percent).
Sort looks like that plateau may be north of 40% in that meaningless and insignificant flyover place that is Iowa.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Guess all those predictions are going to be tossed right into the dumpster now
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Bernie, the Democratic Socialist vs. Trump, the ultimate Capitalist.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Last week some polls had Bernie near 20%, now 41% here. A 20 point spread within a week or two likely means there's a lot of fluidity in support for the candidates right now, but it's a great sign for Bernie because that support is clearly headed in his direction.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)re your comment on fluidity in support. Current events certainly influence opinion and the few weeks news has been mixed for H>. It could be that support is unsettled, but noisy data could be due to other things.
It could also be a consequence of sample to sample variations of Iowans, variations in polling questions, and variations in assumptions about what 'corrective' practices, if any, are used in developing the final estimates, all of which can produce variation/noise across the many samples.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)I was implying variation in the data but I can see how it wouldn't have sounded like that.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)and it's not for campaign H>, even while the recent poll is truly a statistical tie.
We are at a -tie- from an overwhelmingly lopsided lead for H>, that can't be spun as good for H>
jeff47
(26,549 posts)This early, the specific values in a poll are utterly unreliable. What's important is the direction of the polling - who's heading up and who's heading down. That gives you an idea of who is doing well in their campaign and who is doing poorly.
Also, be sure to not conflate polls by different pollsters or national and state polls if you're comparing past results to current results. You can average all state polls or all national polls to try and take out some noise. But you shouldn't compare (for example) Quinnipiac and Gallup directly to find a trend. There's too much variation in their methodology.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)He closed a 19-percentage point deficit to 1%. In a little over two months. NOW I know why they went to South Carolina -- their internal polls indicated this.
WOW!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm next door in Tennessee and headed to SC in October.
I guess I need to get my Bernie shirt to wear while I'm there. Show Charleston who's got their back!
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)is one of the cheapest forms of advertisements we have. And it helps if you can have 1/4-page fliers handy to hand out to people because people WILL come up to you and ask about Bernie.
I think the last I heard was one of the Charleston events held 5,000 people. I'm wondering if they'll be busting at the seems like his other events. The South Carolina trek is going to be an interesting one to watch.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)It seems that the media has been noticing Sanders rise but apparently there's been a resistance to reporting extensively (like half of what is given to Trump) on it. "If it can be ignored, it should be ignored." might as well be emblazoned over the portal to the club for "Serious People Only" that the top commentators belong to.
But ignoring a great story means that lesser mortals in the press corps can get a leg up by reporting on it. I guess we'll see how this equation works out in the end. Will they settle for just spending more time discussing how they see Senator Sanders as being unelectable? Or will they cut right to the chase, and cut off at the knees those lesser known journalists who are gaining attention by honestly reporting on the amazing rise of the Sanders campaign? Will they "discover" that there is indeed a real race to be the nominee of the Democratic party?
That's a story in itself, imo, and one that I suspect some journalists are keeping tabs on.
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)
until a couple of weeks before the Iowa caucuses.
Seriously. This is huge. Sanders is doing much better against Hillary in Iowa, than Obama was. And we all know that Obama won the Iowa caucuses.
She has lost so much ground in Iowa. She was ahead by more than 25 points in May and now she is down 1, according to this poll.
No wonder Biden is being floated as a trial balloon. The DNC realizes that it has to do something.
Unfortunately, for them, Biden appears to hurt Hillary more than Bernie.
This is Hillary's second time around running for President. If her support is crumbling in Iowa, that is a huge red flag for "We're just not that into you." She has the name recognition and everyone knows who she is. The electorate, at least in the first couple of states that are voting anyway, seem to be very flat on supporting her.
TacoD
(581 posts)As I posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027134483
I'm proud to have helped put Bernie over Hillary!
Here is the official Quinnipiac poll results page: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/iowa/release-detail?ReleaseID=227
CountAllVotes
(20,876 posts)You done good my friend!
SANDERS 2016!!!!