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gobears10

(310 posts)
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 06:13 AM Sep 2015

Bernie Sanders Overtakes Hillary Clinton in Latest Iowa Poll, Continues Leading in NH

Bernie Sanders has taken a narrow lead over Hillary Clinton in Iowa more than four months before the state’s caucus, according to a poll released Thursday.

The Vermont senator is favorite among 41% of Iowa likely Democratic particpaints, compared with 40% supporting the former Secretary of State, according to a Quinnipiac poll released Thursday. That marks a major reversal from early July, when Clinton was ahead of Sanders, 52% to 33%...

Sanders is also polling ahead of Clinton in New Hampshire, the second Democratic nominating contest.


Link to article: http://time.com/4028812/bernie-sanders-iowa-poll/

Yes!! Go Bernie!! I'm sure that the mainstream media will attempt to minimize this poll as mere statistical noise, but to me, it's the sign of something really great to come. It shows that the momentum for Bernie Sanders is growing, and that he definitely hasn't hit his ceiling.

Hopefully wins for Bernie in Iowa and New Hampshire will generate enough momentum to make him competitive on Super Tuesday.
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Bernie Sanders Overtakes Hillary Clinton in Latest Iowa Poll, Continues Leading in NH (Original Post) gobears10 Sep 2015 OP
You go Bernie FreakinDJ Sep 2015 #1
Dare I say Bernie has not peaked? Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #2
Dare away! bvf Sep 2015 #6
Not even close...gotta love Bernie and the authentic campaign he's runnin. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #29
No, he's peaked. Again. And again. And again..... (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #34
Maybe we should rename him Denali! Fawke Em Sep 2015 #36
The trend continues Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #3
Looks like the Summer of Sanders is Steaming on into fall, & gaining Berniementum on the way! peacebird Sep 2015 #9
Most Excellent PuraVidaDreamin Sep 2015 #4
Feel the Bern! magical thyme Sep 2015 #5
Quinnipiac is very unreliable this year. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #7
LOL! No matter how you slice it, Bernies positive numbers trend UP, Hillary's go DOWN! peacebird Sep 2015 #8
That chart seems unrelated to the topic of this thread. cyberswede Sep 2015 #10
huh? gobears10 Sep 2015 #12
If nothing else, you are consistent. Lol. morningfog Sep 2015 #19
Be sure to go piss on this thread too - you don't want to miss one! mak3cats Sep 2015 #20
Ever notice how those screaming the loudest about "look at the polls"... 99Forever Sep 2015 #22
Lol, Quinnipiac, once the most RELIABLE of polls, has now become irrelevant! sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #32
No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Sep 2015 #11
And yet, no one in the stands has noticed, tavernier Sep 2015 #13
I don't believe in getting too excited over a single poll nxylas Sep 2015 #14
No one seems to care this shows Sanders is getting closer to his plateau HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #17
Nate Silver must be shaking his Magic 8 Ball and wondering whassup tomm2thumbs Sep 2015 #15
The image of that made me laugh! Fawke Em Sep 2015 #37
I have to say it would be an interesting election if the nominees were WI_DEM Sep 2015 #16
Wow! HerbChestnut Sep 2015 #18
Yes this is good news for Sanders... HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #25
Yeah, maybe 'fluidity' wasn't the best word. HerbChestnut Sep 2015 #26
The "signal" is in the trend. The trend is positive for Sanders HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #30
This early, direction is more important than value. jeff47 Sep 2015 #35
Holy. Shit. Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #21
Well, Bernie will be in the Carolinas this weekend. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #38
Wearing Bernie gear out in public Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #39
Powerful narrative, good timing for the release of the polling data Babel_17 Sep 2015 #23
CLINTON=WALL ST. SANDERS=MAIN ST. Indepatriot Sep 2015 #24
Go Bernie azmom Sep 2015 #27
Obama didn't start winning in the Iowa polls... CoffeeCat Sep 2015 #28
I was one of the 832 likely Democratic caucus-goers polled in this poll TacoD Sep 2015 #31
Thank you! CountAllVotes Sep 2015 #33
 

SonderWoman

(1,169 posts)
7. Quinnipiac is very unreliable this year.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:26 AM
Sep 2015

They are consistently the outlier poll in every poll. 2 polls last week had HRC at +25:

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
8. LOL! No matter how you slice it, Bernies positive numbers trend UP, Hillary's go DOWN!
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:31 AM
Sep 2015

Just like in '08

gobears10

(310 posts)
12. huh?
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:43 AM
Sep 2015
He trailed the former secretary of state by a 52-33 percent margin in Quinnipiac's last poll of Iowa's likely Democratic caucus-goers, in July.


Quinnipiac's last Democratic Primary poll for Iowa was two months ago, in July. They didn't release Iowa polls last week with Hillary at +25 in Iowa.

Quinnipiac University has a B+ from FiveThirtyEight. Given that it's a decent polling institute, and quoted often by major news corps from Washington Post, to Time, to CNN, chances are that the very fact that this poll has come out with these numbers might lead to a faster climb in other polls for Bernie.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
22. Ever notice how those screaming the loudest about "look at the polls"...
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:10 AM
Sep 2015

...when they like what they are saying, are the exact same ones calling them wrong when "the polls" turn around against them?

tavernier

(12,394 posts)
13. And yet, no one in the stands has noticed,
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:46 AM
Sep 2015

for all the big snorting horses galloping and nipping at each other down the track.

I hope that continues!

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
14. I don't believe in getting too excited over a single poll
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:49 AM
Sep 2015

But I'm, shall we say, quietly optimistic nonetheless.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
17. No one seems to care this shows Sanders is getting closer to his plateau
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:47 AM
Sep 2015

Every percent gain he makes takes him a percent closer to that level.

It is a mathematical certainty, it is absolutely inevitable (I mean really, technically it cannot go beyond 100 percent).

Sort looks like that plateau may be north of 40% in that meaningless and insignificant flyover place that is Iowa.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
15. Nate Silver must be shaking his Magic 8 Ball and wondering whassup
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:42 AM
Sep 2015

Guess all those predictions are going to be tossed right into the dumpster now

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
16. I have to say it would be an interesting election if the nominees were
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:46 AM
Sep 2015

Bernie, the Democratic Socialist vs. Trump, the ultimate Capitalist.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
18. Wow!
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:52 AM
Sep 2015

Last week some polls had Bernie near 20%, now 41% here. A 20 point spread within a week or two likely means there's a lot of fluidity in support for the candidates right now, but it's a great sign for Bernie because that support is clearly headed in his direction.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
25. Yes this is good news for Sanders...
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:21 AM
Sep 2015

re your comment on fluidity in support. Current events certainly influence opinion and the few weeks news has been mixed for H>. It could be that support is unsettled, but noisy data could be due to other things.

It could also be a consequence of sample to sample variations of Iowans, variations in polling questions, and variations in assumptions about what 'corrective' practices, if any, are used in developing the final estimates, all of which can produce variation/noise across the many samples.



 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
26. Yeah, maybe 'fluidity' wasn't the best word.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:23 AM
Sep 2015

I was implying variation in the data but I can see how it wouldn't have sounded like that.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
30. The "signal" is in the trend. The trend is positive for Sanders
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:36 AM
Sep 2015

and it's not for campaign H>, even while the recent poll is truly a statistical tie.

We are at a -tie- from an overwhelmingly lopsided lead for H>, that can't be spun as good for H>

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
35. This early, direction is more important than value.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 11:22 AM
Sep 2015

This early, the specific values in a poll are utterly unreliable. What's important is the direction of the polling - who's heading up and who's heading down. That gives you an idea of who is doing well in their campaign and who is doing poorly.

Also, be sure to not conflate polls by different pollsters or national and state polls if you're comparing past results to current results. You can average all state polls or all national polls to try and take out some noise. But you shouldn't compare (for example) Quinnipiac and Gallup directly to find a trend. There's too much variation in their methodology.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
21. Holy. Shit.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:09 AM
Sep 2015

He closed a 19-percentage point deficit to 1%. In a little over two months. NOW I know why they went to South Carolina -- their internal polls indicated this.

WOW!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
38. Well, Bernie will be in the Carolinas this weekend.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 11:34 AM
Sep 2015

I'm next door in Tennessee and headed to SC in October.

I guess I need to get my Bernie shirt to wear while I'm there. Show Charleston who's got their back!

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
39. Wearing Bernie gear out in public
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 12:23 PM
Sep 2015

is one of the cheapest forms of advertisements we have. And it helps if you can have 1/4-page fliers handy to hand out to people because people WILL come up to you and ask about Bernie.

I think the last I heard was one of the Charleston events held 5,000 people. I'm wondering if they'll be busting at the seems like his other events. The South Carolina trek is going to be an interesting one to watch.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
23. Powerful narrative, good timing for the release of the polling data
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:16 AM
Sep 2015

It seems that the media has been noticing Sanders rise but apparently there's been a resistance to reporting extensively (like half of what is given to Trump) on it. "If it can be ignored, it should be ignored." might as well be emblazoned over the portal to the club for "Serious People Only" that the top commentators belong to.

But ignoring a great story means that lesser mortals in the press corps can get a leg up by reporting on it. I guess we'll see how this equation works out in the end. Will they settle for just spending more time discussing how they see Senator Sanders as being unelectable? Or will they cut right to the chase, and cut off at the knees those lesser known journalists who are gaining attention by honestly reporting on the amazing rise of the Sanders campaign? Will they "discover" that there is indeed a real race to be the nominee of the Democratic party?

That's a story in itself, imo, and one that I suspect some journalists are keeping tabs on.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
28. Obama didn't start winning in the Iowa polls...
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 09:29 AM
Sep 2015

…until a couple of weeks before the Iowa caucuses.

Seriously. This is huge. Sanders is doing much better against Hillary in Iowa, than Obama was. And we all know that Obama won the Iowa caucuses.

She has lost so much ground in Iowa. She was ahead by more than 25 points in May and now she is down 1, according to this poll.

No wonder Biden is being floated as a trial balloon. The DNC realizes that it has to do something.

Unfortunately, for them, Biden appears to hurt Hillary more than Bernie.

This is Hillary's second time around running for President. If her support is crumbling in Iowa, that is a huge red flag for "We're just not that into you." She has the name recognition and everyone knows who she is. The electorate, at least in the first couple of states that are voting anyway, seem to be very flat on supporting her.

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