I went to a party yesterday, truth be told most vote for democrats, and......

[Bonhomme Richard]

every single Democratic voter was going with Bernie. The real surprise is that the conservative ones were also considering Bernie. Everyone agreed that the establishment promoted politicians were screwing us.
A side point...all thought that Trump was a clown.

[virtualobserver]

1. where do you live?

[Doctor_J]

2. I live in a rural area (pretty conservative) and there is a little buzz here

I have no doubt that if it came down to Sanders v. Trump, Bernie would get a lot more votes than the Dem usually does.

[sarge43]

5. Rural NH

The only political yard sign have seen so far - Bernie for President.

[Enthusiast]

99. I live in Rural Ohio. The only sign I have seen so far is Bernie for President.

Just a single sign.

[Cal33]

21. Have you included the anticipated fraudulent and rigged Republican votes in your estimate?

[truebluegreen]

98. Will those only be a factor if Bernie is the nominee?

Just asking.

[Cal33]

140. No. The Republicans will be cheating against any Democrat.

[truebluegreen]

141. I agree. All the more reason to inspire them (us).

[onehandle]

3. Me too! They told me that they were kidding when they told pollsters they were voting for Hillary.

So that big lead she has is a fabrication!

Those rascals!

[Motown_Johnny]

4. Name recognition lead isn't really a fabrication.

It is just that when people are asked by a pollster who they support, they think of a name that makes sense to them at the time.

Once they start to actually pay attention, a lot of that weak support goes elsewhere.



http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary



The trend is clear. Unless something changes, she won't be the front runner by the time the first debate rolls around. Having so few debates, so late in the process was designed to help the front runner. That really may have turned out to be a mistake. Time will tell.

[virtualobserver]

6. The hilarious thing is.......

The Bernie supporter anecdotes are true, and your "joke" is just a joke.

Enjoy the ride!

[Blus4u]

14. Oh I like what you said here

And I thank yo for that!

Peace

[L0oniX]

8. Keep trying. LOL

[murielm99]

15. Hey, I went to a picnic two weeks ago.

It was for the county Democrats in a nearby county. I live in a rural, mostly red area. I did not encounter ONE Bernie supporter. They all want Hillary.

[left-of-center2012]

23. They all want Hillary.

Uh huh

[Fawke Em]

37. Which means they haven't heard of Bernie.

If they live in a mostly red, rural area, then they probably only get right-wing news like the mostly red, rural areas near me. If they've heard of Sanders, they've probably only heard he's a "socialist" and probably don't even know he's running as a Democrat.

[Motown_Johnny]

40. attendants of an establishment picnic

Wanted the establishment candidate? What are the odds of that?

[Bonhomme Richard]

66. +1 n/t

[murielm99]

100. Attendees of a picnic

who vote, give money, GOTV, etc. They are all pretty knowledgeable Democrats. We actually have the internet, social media, indoor toilets and all of that stuff.

Anti-establishment? Don't make me laugh. The Senate is anti-establishment? And how many years has the demigod Bernie been in the Senate?

[olegramps]

121. Sanders is a demigod?

[Motown_Johnny]

125. I didn't say he was anti establishment.

But Hillary is the Democratic Party's establishment candidate.

That is also why she has so many establishment endorsements already.

We are not impressed.

[BeanMusical]

105. +2

[tblue37]

104. Remember Lieberman's "Joementum"? That was early on namr recognition. nt

[L0oniX]

7. Such is my experience in real life as well.

[rhett o rick]

76. I have some friends that I feel are very strong Democrats and have been very active for years.

I was surprised when they told me independently that they were of course supporting Sen Sanders.

It appears that a lot of grassroots Democrats are welcoming a change from the authoritarian controlled picks from the Democratic Elite. DWS made it crystal clear that she wasn't about to listen to the grassroots Democrats for the need to have more debates. That decision will hurt the Democratic nominee in the general, but DWS makes it clear that is not the most important issue. Keeping Sanders out is the number one objective.

[L0oniX]

94. In that case it may be DWS that causes the loss of the GE...

but of course she / they will blame everything and everyone else. She /they will be at fault for her / their lack of introspection about 2014.

[rhett o rick]

103. Exactly. Should Clinton win the primary but lose the general, the conservatives among us

will blame Sanders. This situation isn't too different from 2000. The DLC controlled Party Elites wanted to run Gore even though the people were tired of the conservative Democrats Clinton/Gore giving away the farm. The Oligarchs don't care if Gore won or Bush won, they didn't want a progressive. Same as today. The Oligarchs and their Democratic puppets (Democratic Elites like DWS) don't care if Clinton loses the general just as long as Sanders doesn't get a shot.

[OhWiseOne]

9. You really need to look for higher quality friends.

Smarter would be good too.

If Bernie wins the dem primary a repub will win the general election. Opposite happens with Hillary.

[840high]

10. I am not so sure anymore.

[cali]

16. put down your grubby little crystal ball.

[Mbrow]

29. As Thom Hartman

Pointed out, the last two democratic presidents ran as FDR Dem's, but both governed as center right Dem's. This means that Dem's that run as progressives win. Both BC and BO ran to the left during the general election and moved right after winning, this is why you have low turn out when you run another corporate Democrat candidate and this is why Bernie can win this election, also remember the Iowa poll of Bernie supporters, it's not that they don't like HRC, they just like Bernie better. If you look at BC and BO speeches before the election you will see what He means, the idea that either ran as a center Democrat is a RW talking point.

[wolfie001]

32. Yes! So true!

With Obama, all of the pent-up goodwill flowed out after every inspiring speech!!! When he decided to follow so many of Shrub's ill-conceived policies, the balloon burst. Sander's seems to be a leader who will say something then he'll follow thru.

[dreamnightwind]

116. An important point that needs more attention

People showed in 2008 that a change candidate can win. They came out in droves because they really believed in it. They can do so again, and hopefully they will, just have to see past the change imposters to get there.

[Motown_Johnny]

42. that is crazy talk

With the way the Latino vote is looking, most any (D) could win.

The risk with Hillary is that some other shoe drops late in the campaign and she never recovers. Bernie is the much safer bet.

[artislife]

95. Not with you on this one.nt

[L0oniX]

96. No no no. He needs filthy rich friends so they can relate to Hillary better.

[sibelian]

107. I'm not convinced. Sorry.

I just can't see anyone going for Republicans this time.

[Stevepol]

109. In the C-Span call-in segment following Bernie's DNC speech

there were several calls from Republicans, all but one (I believe) said he or she was going to vote for Sanders.

Sanders I believe has an ability to attract Republicans that is greater than any other Dem I've seen. Bernie has exactly the attitude that will succeed in bringing about the revolution that he is calling for.

My only real worry about the general election and the other elections for that matter is that the red tilt in the voting machine counts will be too great for Bernie to overcome. I hope the campaign adopts some sort of platform policy condemning UNVERIFIED VOTING and STRONGLY supporting the auditing of machine counts so as to VERIFY THE VOTE. TRUST BUT VERIFY!

We need to support people like Beth Clarkson in Kansas who is doing everything in her power to verify the vote in KS and is being opposed by the Sec of State Kris Kobach. And by the way, anybody who wants to help her out would be welcomed with open arms. Here's the latest from KS, Clarkson's editorial in the Wichita Eagle of a few days ago.

http://www.kansas.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article32685087.html

[questionseverything]

129. keep fighting for transparency!

http://fatallyflawedelections.blogspot.com/

It’s now been 13 years since “HAVA” Help America Vote Act gave states $3.9 billion in subsidies to modernize their voting rolls and election equipment, which resulting in installing Hackable electronic voting machines. As of 2012, 95 percent of the country’s voters were voting on electronic touch-screen machines, or on optical scanners. Computer programming is the province of small elite private programmers and/or corporations who work in the shadows beyond the reach of public records request: http://fatallyflawedelections.blogspot.com/2015/03/william-e-doyle-hidden-de-facto.html

All theses electronic voting machines use programs that enjoy copyright protection from public scrutiny, not secure from hacking and there is ample evidence that voting machines can be hacked and here is ours in Arizona! Attorney Bill Risner disclosure statement filed with court Jan 12, 2012, which is a mind blowing, comprehensive statement of facts collected over many years of investigating and litigation of Pima County: http://tinyurl.com/LPFiling

In Tucson, AZ we won 3 court cases to collect the evidence; nevertheless at the end, after 8 years, they would not allow us to present the evidence in court. Pima County Elections programmed the memory cards to rig the outcome of a $2 billion bond election in May 2006. I refer you to this summary article after the Maricopa Appellate Court denied our appeal: http://fatallyflawedelections.blogspot.com/2014/07/elections-remain-compromised.html

Also please watch this short video that shows how the precincts’ memory cards can be pre-stuffed with votes and still produce a zero tape before the 1st ballot is ever counted:

The Diebold, GEMS/AccuVote machine that in 2012 was in use in 20 states by more than 26 million voters was hacked into by a team at the U.S. Department of Energy’s Argonne National Laboratory, which concluded that anyone with $26 in parts and an eighth-grade science education could manipulate the outcome of an election, according to Collier. Team leader Roger Johnson called it a “national security issue.” Want proof? Watch this:

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has beth reached out to risner the attorney from az?

i do not know how we are ever going to get the courts to actually look at the evidence BUT the more people know this is happening the better chance we have of stopping it

[jeff47]

118. You definitely need a name change. False advertising. (nt)

[AlbertCat]

122. If Bernie wins the dem primary a repub will win the general election. Opposite happens with Hillary.

What makes you think that?

Hillary couldn't even get the nomination the last time.

What examples are you basing your unfounded scenario on?

[Maedhros]

123. Do you have anything of substancet to post, other than insults?

My bet is "no."

/ignore list.

[Scootaloo]

124. Funny. Only way a Republican could do that is if a large number of Dems voted for them.

[Hissyspit]

130. Nonsense.

[hack89]

11. My experience is the opposite

Very little buzz for Bernie in RI.

[virtualobserver]

19. That is because the Lincoln Chafee campaign is sucking all of the political oxygen out of RI

[hack89]

27. Now that's funny! Nt

[revmclaren]

31. Chaffee who????

That's even more the question in California then 'Who's Bernie Sanders?'

[C Moon]

108. Bernie's picking up steam quickly in CA. I see A LOT of pro Bernie in social media, but Nil for Hil.

I would vote for Hillary in the general election (I'm not a hater); but I see nothing in social media about Hillary–it's all Bernie.

[revmclaren]

22. I'm in California

2 family members and 3 coworkers and friends are voting for sanders. The rest...dozens...Clinton all the way.

I do believe it is very much based on where you live and how the message resonates. I still get a lot of 'sanders who?' This is sad because he does have a great many ideas to change the country. But he has self labeled himself as a socialist so most don't want the whole package. My family (the ones with brains who vote democrat and not republican ) are old school dems who will never vote for someone without a D before their name. The country is full of them. Thats who sanders has to win over to win the primary. That and P.O.C., who he needs to court as if his chance of the presidency depends on it...which it does. Chance of winning...slim to none...but not impossible. In my p.o.v. Of course.

[politicaljunkie41910]

28. Same here, and I live in a conservative community in Northern Los Angeles County

I don't know anyone who is voting for Bernie for the exact reasons you give, he's a self-labeled socialist. He may now be regretting that proclamation, but the Gop will never let him live it down. He can't win, and the Democratic Party can't afford to be as stupid as the GOP is by, continuing to beating up on Hillary. If folks here want to see that Republicans get to appoint the members who will serve out my lifetime and many of yours on the Supreme Court, keep doing what they're doing.

[Fawke Em]

41. I guess you need to go downtown.

Apparently, someone was so inspired...

[revmclaren]

43. Some 'ONE'....

[Bluenorthwest]

44. CA went to Hillary in 08 as well. Not that it helped.

CA also passed Pro 8 in 08.

[revmclaren]

46. Lots of repubs here...

especially in the central valley. I'm talking democrats...

Are you?

And Obama isn't running...

[revmclaren]

47. I campaigned for Obama...

My sister almost disowned me. Now I'm Hillory all the way. Sister and 90 percent of woman in the family happy. Serenity.....

[Snerd]

90. Analogy

The difference between a Socialist and a Democratic Socialist is kind of like the difference between a Giant and a San Francisco Giant -- totally different animals.

Bernie Sanders is a Democratic Socialist, and if your family members have the quality brains as you claim, they will read about the significant differences.

Democratic socialism calls for the economy to be run democratically -- for the good of the people, not only for the good of the people in control of the means of production, or for the people who have control of the vast majority of the capital. In a Social Democracy, wealth is not taken away from the wealthy. The system is set up in such a way, though, that they do not amass more wealth at such a rapid pace. Wealth, s it is generated, is spread more democratically and in a more equitable manner for a much wider swath of the population.

[pinebox]

119. QOTD!

You win the internet today.
"The difference between a Socialist and a Democratic Socialist is kind of like the difference between a Giant and a San Francisco Giant"
Brilliant!

[MoonchildCA]

120. ^This^

I'm so tired of people just throwing the Socialist label around. He is a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist, and yes, there is a difference.

This is coming from a California Dem who not only has a brain, but is solidly behind Bernie.

Most of my friends and family prefer Bernie Sanders, and I've come across a few people wearing Bernie Tees, and I've seen a couple of Bernie bumper stickers. I'm in Ventura County.

[revmclaren]

139. He may call himself that now...

5. In a speech he gave at the National Committee for Independent Political Action in New York City on June 22, 1989, reprinted in the December 1989 issue of the socialist publication Monthly Review: “In Vermont, everybody knows that I am a socialist and that many people in our movement, not all, are socialists. And as often as not — and this is an interesting point that is the honest-to-God truth — what people will say is, ‘I don’t really know what socialism is, but if you’re not a Democrat or a Republican, you’re OK with me.’ That’s true. And I think there has been too much of a reluctance on the part of progressives and radicals to use the word ‘socialism.’”

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/14-things-bernie-sanders-has-said-about-socialism-120265#ixzz3kAy40T4x

This is what people find when searching google for sanders and socialist. And millions use google for good or for bad to check out candidates.

What's on the Internet stays on the Internet...forever. All they will see is socialist and close their minds. Sad but reality.

[Fawke Em]

39. Then you're not getting out enough.

https://www.facebook.com/RhodeIslandforBernieSanders

[revmclaren]

45. Nice 'CROWD'

[Fawke Em]

53. Is anyone getting out and doing anything for Hillary?

Somehow, I doubt it.

Oh - that's right. She did meet with hoity toity insiders up there and raised $300,000 from the well-to-do group:

http://wpri.com/2015/06/10/hillary-clinton-scheduled-to-attend-fundraiser-in-east-greenwich/

The people out there for the honk and wave probably haven't earned $300,000 in their lives - and that's the point.

[revmclaren]

60. I am...

Real world stuff... Begin campaigning and getting the go Hillory stuff going next month. Will be AWESOME!!!!

[revmclaren]

63. Thank you so much for asking...

and letting me get my Clinton plug in...

[kenfrequed]

64. Hmm

Considering the crowds Bernie is actually drawing at his events I don't know if I would make a joke like that. He has had the biggest events of ANY candidate of any party this year.

[revmclaren]

65. Crowds are great...

Votes are what matters. 4 decades of voting has proven that.

[hack89]

82. They are trying their best, I'll give them that. Nt

[Metric System]

12. Nice anecdote. To be clear, that's all it is.

[virtualobserver]

17. Well, I'm glad that you cleared that up!

[Metric System]

18. Apparently the obvious needed stating.

[MoveIt]

55. Were they all in favor of your candidate at the cotillion?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. The ghost of Pauline Kael says hi

Oh, no need to intellectualsplain her famous observation about the 1972 election to me.I know the back story.

[virtualobserver]

20. I heard that her ghost's money is on Hillary this time

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Only to those that live in the elite and rarefied environment Ms. Kael did.

I was at a Quinceañera with my girlfriend and my observations of what some folks were feeling were quite different, not on the Trump side though.

[virtualobserver]

25. My wife lived in Boston in 1972

Massachusetts was in a different galaxy at that moment in time.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I agree that Massachusetts got it right in 72 and Minnesota got it right in 84.

Pauline Kael was a very smart woman and of course she knew Nixon had a lot of support. The fact that she didn't know anybody personally who supported Nixon is remarkable and speaks to the rarefied environment she found herself in.

I just finished 'One Man Against The World: The Tragedy Of Richard Nixon'. It's about the tenth book I have read about him. He really believed the president was sovereign and not the people.

[virtualobserver]

35. I bought that, I haven't read it yet.....

I was sucked in by the fact that it was based on recently declassified material.

Scott Walker is the scariest newcomer who reminds me of Nixon.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. I checked it out from the library

There are no new revelations in it... It's interesting that Nixon learned about the Watergate break in after the fact. That's often forgotten. But he couldn't disassociate himself from it because to do so would have left him exposed to all the other nefarious things his underlings were doing that he was aware of.


I also want to read Evan Thomas' book about him. His biography of RFK was great but my favorite RFK book was written by Jack Newfield.

[virtualobserver]

49. I have read RFK's speeches, but I have never read a book about him.

I was too young to really understand what was happening in 1968 fully. I don't think I could have borne it if I had been aware.

I worry that this election year might be a similar one.

Trump is irresponsible and dangerous. Dylan Roof wanted to start a race war.
The two recent shootings of the TV news crew and the sheriff in Texas are being whipped up
as #blacklivesmatter linked assassinations by certain elements, with other RW media hinting around at that.

This is so far off topic. I'm just uneasy about the way in which this is developing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. I was ten years old when RFK was assasinated

My mom took me to the front of rope line in Rego Park, New York to shake his hand when he was running for senator in 1964. Somewhere in storage I have a letter and photo from him that I received in response to a letter I wrote him. When he was shot I was devastated. As you know he didn't die instantly. I remember walking around the next day with a transistor radio to see if he lived. I have said this before...The martyred Kennedy brothers, Dr. King, and Muhammad Ali were my heroes when I was fourteen years old and they still are now.

Like I said in "the Hillary caused Benghazi" thread some times really bad things happen despite our best efforts. RFK is dead because Sirhan Sirhan shot him.

The guy that killed the TX cop was deranged and racist, just like Dylan Roof. As RFK said what we need is "love and understanding."

BTW, my gf and I used to live in Koreatown which is in walking distance of the Ambassador Hotel where RFK was shot. It's a school now. I Can remember the first time I walked past it.

[virtualobserver]

87. That is the problem......the sick people who motivate people like Dylan Roof

and Timothy McVeigh never put themselves at risk. They just sit back and write books and now web sites to motivate the unbalanced minds to take action.

The right wing is working to motivate additional Dylan Roof's, whether they all fully understand that or not. Some of them are quite aware of what they are doing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

89. Well, Tim McVeigh was motivated by the Turner Diaries

With the advent of the net it's even easier for haters to disseminate their hateful information.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. You do get that her line about not knowing any Nixon voters was a joke, a humorous jab at her own

cultural point of view being very selective. The same joke would work if told by Angela Davis or Abbie Hoffman or Harvey Milk, all of whom lived in various Nixon free communities. It's funny. It was supposed to be. I can't believe people think that was a sincere comment from her. Good lord.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. Respectfully I got it...

The ghost of Pauline Kael says hi

Oh, no need to intellectualsplain her famous observation about the 1972 election to me.I know the back story.

-Me

I get it. In her milieu there were no Nixon supporters. I was a junior high school student in exurban Florida in 1972. My experience was essentially the opposite though I was politically aware enough to believe some of my teachers voted for McGovern. IMHO, I don't believe the allusion works as well with Angela Davis or Abbie Hoffman as they weren't representatives of East Coast intellectualism.

[Warren DeMontague]

73. Respectfully, I think the Hillary people on DU need to stop imagining that it's 1972.

I think that drills down to the core of how profoundly some people here are out of touch, especially when it comes to Millennials (who are a bigger demographic than baby boomers, eeek).

There are as many years between 1972 and 2016, as there were between the 1928 election of Herbert Hoover and 1972.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

79. My remarks were aimed more to the suggestion that in his milieu nobody likes Hillary

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[Warren DeMontague]

91. in my Millieu no one likes her, either, but I know what kind of response that's gonna get.

I think the polarizations that drove the split between McGovern and Nixon are pretty different than the Democratic Primary situation we see today.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

92. In the spirit of comity I will just let you knowing what my response will be stand.

91. in my Millieu no one likes her, either, but I know what kind of response that's gonna get.

In the spirit of promoting comity I will just let you knowing what my response will be stand.

I will just say my observation has nothing to do with ideological splits and everything to do with Ms. Kael's observation she didn't personally know any Nixon supporters. In my exurban Florida junior high school they were the majority. In fact a student stood up in class and said George McGovern should be assassinated. If that was today he would be getting a visit from the Secret Service.

[Warren DeMontague]

97. And my observation is, a lot of DU- which skews older, toward baby boomers- seems to be fighting the

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battles of 1972 over and over again, whether they consciously realize it or not.

1972 is as relevant to 2016 as 1928 was to 1972.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

110. Again, my observation has nothing to do with 1972 and everything to do with the seminal poster's...

Again, my observation has nothing to do with 1972 and everything to do with the seminal poster's anecdote.

I moved from NYC to FL when I was 12. I lived most of my life in Seminole County, Florida The Democratic party was so weak that for a long time they couldn't even field Democratic candidates for state House and state Senate positions. The choice was a Republican and some times a libertarian.

And in that vein I will paraphrase Ms. Kael:

"I live in a rather special world. I only know one other person who voted for Mondale and Dukakis. Where they are I don't know. They're outside my ken. But sometimes when I'm in a dream I can feel them."

[Warren DeMontague]

132. right, I understand what you were trying to get at.

But the point, stripped off all its context, becomes pretty meaningless. If anything, the US has become less politically homogeneous, in the intervening years, which means... what?

It means that almost any candidate or situation can probably find an "island" of insulated supporters, now. There's probably even an enclave somewhere of authoritarian Republican blowhards that don't know anyone who isn't supporting Chris Christie. Maybe.

In short, pointing that out doesn't really prove anything one way or another.

[Warren DeMontague]

69. Yet interestingly enough, many of the most PO'd "But It's Her TURN!!!" Hillary people on DU

seem to be Manhattanites.



Speaking of living in a bubble.

[Warren DeMontague]

67. "intellectualsplain"... so now thinking is somehow suspect?

Color me shocked.

you realize your analogy puts Hillary in the Nixon slot, don't you?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

134. Nixon won the largest pop vote/EC victory in the modern era

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[Warren DeMontague]

135. Look, dude, either you're making the analogy while imagining 1972 is relevant to 2016

Or, you aren't.

Here you seem to be, downthread you swear that's not your intent.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

136. I am rebutting the absurd suggestion that nobody likes Hillary Clinton.

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[Warren DeMontague]

137. If someone made that suggestion, one, they're incorrect, and two, it wasnt me.

I still suspect that HRC will win the primaries and be the nominee. She couldnt do that if "no one liked her".

[Scootaloo]

133. "Intellectualsplain"?

What on earth...?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

26. Yes

Indepeendents, Greens too

[Live and Learn]

33. That has been my experince in SO CA too.

Except that I do know a few that are torn between Bernie and Sanders but those ones usually vote Republican anyway. I am still trying to reason with them and tilt them to the Bernie side.

[svpadgham]

112. Either way we win.

But to play Devil's advocate, I'd like to say that Senator Sander's message appeals to me a little more than does Bernie's.

[Todays_Illusion]

34. Thanks for the post.

[dorkzilla]

38. I’m from Westchester County NY - where Hillary lives

Everyone I’ve talked to is supporting Bernie. Go into the coffee shops, wine bars etc, lots of people are wearing Sanders shirts. Sanders bumperstickers are everywhere. But just talking to people - some I know very well, some total strangers - and I’ve not heard one say they’d vote for Hillary in the primary. This is HER HOME COUNTY we’re talking about.

Then again the community I live in and the surrounding towns were always known as socialist territory. The Socialist publication “The Masses” was published nearby. http://www.westchestermagazine.com/Westchester-Magazine/February-2015/Westchesters-Communist-Past-Croton-On-Hudsons-Red-Hill/

Naturally, like most of us have said, if she wins the primary she’ll get our votes. But i’m really surprised at the overwhelming number of Bernie supporters.

[Hiraeth]

117. ! thank you for telling this.

[OverBurn]

50. I Love Bernie, but I hate all the hate

that the Bernie and Hillary people seem to have for each other, at least on this site.

I'd be ecstatic if Bernie is the next POTUS, but I love Hillary over ANY repuke that might stumble out of the crazy clown car.

[revmclaren]

71. Anything IS better than a presidential repub hell!!!!

If sanders is the primary winner, I will gladly vote for him and campaign my ass off for him. My first choice is Clinton though.

[LiberalLovinLug]

127. The vocal minority always barge their way to the front of the line

Don't let them cloud your thinking.
On another thread it was mentioned that only 2% of Bernie supporters back him because they are "anti-Hillary".
I'd also vote Hillary (If I wasn't Canadian) if she was the nominee.

People have to realize that the angry over-the-top near-libelous OPs are popular because of their inflammatory nature, both with the rest of that angry minority, or the reactions of those criticizing the OP.

[randys1]

52. Has the person who started this thread responded at all? Nothing about where they live or any

more information?

I mean hell, I could say I went to a party too and they all said they are voting for Donald Duck

[MoveIt]

57. Yeah what nerve! I bet he made it up huh?

Take a step back, lol.

[randys1]

58. Take a step back? Now I think I have heard it all.

[MoveIt]

59. ignore my previous advice carry on

LOL

[revmclaren]

68. Just another hit and run post.

Must be a boring Sunday....

[Bonhomme Richard]

70. You might want to look at the post before you make comments. n/t

[revmclaren]

74. There you are...

As I posted earlier, California has its own unique voting patterns....sometimes bordering on paranoia. Huge repug enclaves... Sanders IS a relative unknown. He needs to change this in states like mine. I do respect him, but he needs to win me over before I would ever give him my vote. And at the moment, he's to wishy washy. To 'SAFE' in his aproch to issues. I.M.O.

[Bonhomme Richard]

75. I haven't personally made any decisions yet but.....

it surprised me that no one even mentioned Hillary's name. That may spell trouble for her. No matter which way I go in the primary I don't have a gene in my body that would allow me to pull a republican lever.

[revmclaren]

81. Sometimes Clinton comes across as hard...

some of us understand this as we know what it took to get to the place where she is. Vote your own conscious. Both are good people, both do want the best for this country.

[arcane1]

77. We're loving the hell out of him in the Bay Area

[revmclaren]

80. That's great.

And I really mean it.

[Bonhomme Richard]

54. I'm in CT

The one unifying consensus at the party was that everyone was tired of the same old, same old while we are getting screwed.
By the way...I disappeared because I went to eat some dinner. My bad..I guess.

[wyldwolf]

56. I was at the same party. After you left, we all had a good laugh

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

61. OOh, I just got an invitation in email

Interested in being a Delegate to the 2016 Convention?

The Ohio Democratic Party will host an informational meeting on Thursday, September 3, for anyone interested in serving as a delegate to the 2016 Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia. Party Secretary Bill DeMora will be on hand to answer questions and provide information about how to run to be a Delegate and preview the logistics of going to the Convention. The meeting will be at 7:00pm at the Montgomery County Democratic Party Headquarters, 131 S. Wilkinson St. in Dayton.

I wonder if I'm a delegate if I'm bound to vote as my state does, or if I can flip them the bird and vote as I want to, heh heh.

[Bonhomme Richard]

62. Wow! The vitriol amazes me, then again, maybe not..

I have seen a lot of post about how ugly responses have been but I haven't been following the post so I didn't see it.
Now I do.

[beam me up scottie]

84. Some people have no manners.

Don't let it get you down, you're on the greatest page!

Cheers!

[OilemFirchen]

78. I hung out at the Outlaws clubhouse this weekend.

All of them are going with Hillary 'cause they think she's hot.

[revmclaren]

83. Interesting perspective...

but whatever works.

Have a few biker friends myself. Takes a lot to get their thumbs up.....

[OilemFirchen]

85. Half a dozen cases of Stoneys.

They're cheap dates.

[revmclaren]

86. I have to agree....

God to be young again...well...maybe not!

[Reter]

88. Far-right Republicans like Bernie, regular Bush/Christie types not so much

Bernie is anti-NSA and against the Patriot Act, like the real Tea Party wing. I have a friend supporting Rand Paul. Says he would consider Sanders if Paul loses the nomination.

[Ed Suspicious]

128. I think we just want some honesty. When you take away

Everything else regular people just want honest leadership and a hopeful message. I think most regular people don't have real strong views about politics and policy with the exception of one major position. They want a fair shake. They want to know that if they do the right thing by working hard, they will have an opportunity to secure a modestly comfortable future for themselves and their families.

[mountain grammy]

93. I've been hearing that too from the most unlikely people.

When I run into my fellow Dems, and there's just a few of us here, I ask, so have you made up your mind for the primary. They all say Bernie, except the chairperson of our local Dems. She's for Hillary. I'm really looking forward to our caucus.

[redstateblues]

101. I still can't believe Nixon won

Everybody I knew at the time voted for McGovern

[Attorney in Texas]

102. I hear this, too, but (1) the Republicans are talking up Sanders the same way the Democrats talk up

Trump, i.e., they like Sanders better than Clinton the same way we like Trump better than Cruz or Walker and they would prefer their candidate to run against Sanders in the same way we'd rather have our candidates run against Trump and (2) among the Democrats in Texas there is a racial and ideological divide - the white true believer Democrats all favor Sanders but this is not necessarily true among non-whites and those Democrats who vote split ticket and who vote in presidential years but sometimes skip off-year elections.

[BeanMusical]

106. Kick and R

[Vinca]

111. I don't know anyone who isn't supporting Bernie.

I'm sure those same people would vote for Hillary if she's the nominee, but their first choice is Bernie.

[harun]

113. Neither the right or left will allow an establishment candidate this time, period.

People voted for change last time, didn't get it, they will try harder this time.

[randome]

114. I polled everyone in my house and the results are that Clinton is still the favorite!

Of course since my daughters moved away to college, my polling numbers were down to one, with a margin of error of 12%.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Godhumor]

142. Sorry, your household margin of error is too high for the poll to be of significance

Always possible you might actually be supporting Bernie and confidence error showed it as a Clinton vote.

Yes, I just made a geeky polling statistics joke. I am a treasure to have at parties.

[Hepburn]

115. That is the buzz I am getting, too.

Bernie is one of us and he is liked by everyone. I get the "it's about time" feeling in regard to Bernie when I talk with others. He is real and he is not out to benefit himself, but to benefit those who have been screwed over far, far too long.

[HassleCat]

126. He can't win

People are finally getting over that hurdle. They used to say, "I would vote for him, but he can't win..." Now they're saying, "Maybe he can't win, but I'm voting for him anyway..."

[moobu2]

131. Wow, I've never met anyone who's going to vote for BS.

Weird.

[Ron Green]

143. I think I don't want to live near you.

[taught_me_patience]

138. Nobody I know has publicly said they were voting for Sanders

All of my family are democrats going for Hillary. Around the office, Bernie is seen as the crazy socialist (and I'm in a very blue Los Angeles). I seriously believe that Bernie would struggle to win California if he were the general nominee.

[treestar]

144. Doesn't mean much

the polls are more scientific

Also they could be saying that to agree with you to avoid arguing

[Bonhomme Richard]

145. A this point it doesn't mean much. It caught me......

by surprise that no one even mentioned Hillary.