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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:42 PM Aug 2015

New Hampshire DNC Official Says She Feels Insulted By Bernie Sanders

Bernie Sanders Faces Skepticism From Democratic Insiders
By PATRICK HEALYAUG. 28, 2015


MINNEAPOLIS — Bernie Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont, likes to say that the huge crowds at his rallies are not made up of “registered Democrats” — even though he is running for the party’s presidential nomination. No, it is “ordinary people” who are turning out to hear him, he says: Americans who are genuinely drawn to his message, not party hacks who dutifully show up at events for their political cronies.

Kathy Sullivan, a Democratic national committeewoman from New Hampshire, said she heard Mr. Sanders make that argument on television recently and winced — and then found herself wondering what he would say to a ballroom full of party regulars Friday afternoon at the Democratic National Committee’s summer meeting here.

“I was like, ‘God love Bernie, but thanks for the insult,’ ” said Ms. Sullivan, an influential player in New Hampshire, where Mr. Sanders and Hillary Rodham Clinton are close in some opinion polls. “He’s coming to Minneapolis to see people who aren’t ordinary Americans?”

“If Bernie Sanders wants to be president of the United States, he needs the Democratic Party,” Ms. Sullivan continued. “The Democratic National Committee are people who help get the voters to come out and vote in the general election. And they’re people who have been fighting for working Americans for generations. I’d hope Bernie would see that.”

Read more:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-faces-skepticism-from-democratic-insiders.html?_r=0
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New Hampshire DNC Official Says She Feels Insulted By Bernie Sanders (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 OP
Arcane1 feels insulted by the DNC arcane1 Aug 2015 #1
After your post. What more needs to be said. emsimon33 Aug 2015 #84
So to summarize the information down thread, LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #115
Welcome to the rabbit hole! arcane1 Aug 2015 #123
Well stated! nt valerief Aug 2015 #125
Succinct. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #127
And nobody in their right mind thinks he's talking about attracting people who aren't registered Dem hedda_foil Aug 2015 #141
So do I. 840high Aug 2015 #128
I feel insulted by DNC officials. Autumn Aug 2015 #2
+1 glinda Aug 2015 #36
I'm in too, have been for a long time hollysmom Aug 2015 #79
If Bernie insulted the DNC, LBJ would have slung dead mullets at it. nt Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #102
...dead mullets Autumn Aug 2015 #108
The DNC has been insulting us. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #3
+41,000 Angry Dragon Aug 2015 #15
The why speak in front of them trying to get support? leftofcool Aug 2015 #56
Maybe hoping to get them to see that the Third Way isn't the only game in town? The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #82
K&R! hrmjustin Aug 2015 #4
The people that actually carry the water for the Democratic Party... Historic NY Aug 2015 #5
+ 1,000,000,000,000 eom MohRokTah Aug 2015 #117
Vincardog feels insulted by the DNC DLC and Corporatists in general. Cry me a river. Vincardog Aug 2015 #6
I'm not insulted by him moobu2 Aug 2015 #7
Ugh! Dawgs Aug 2015 #8
To be fair, it's been at least a few days since that was the Daily Meme. It's due. arcane1 Aug 2015 #11
at least he does not sell the American people down the river Angry Dragon Aug 2015 #17
I don't trust Bernie. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #34
he is better than any republican running Angry Dragon Aug 2015 #38
Did not say that. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #49
just a comment on my part Angry Dragon Aug 2015 #142
Why? The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #39
His clothing. Autumn Aug 2015 #43
! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #81
Who knows how he would vote on the next gun law. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #48
Oh. Well, then, that wraps it up. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #54
Why, it's GUNZ! again. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #110
Well, I'm glad that at least you didn't say it was because of his supporters. jalan48 Aug 2015 #119
Well, at least he doesn't vote for unnessary wars. eom Fawke Em Aug 2015 #143
Yes he voted against the Brady Bill and gun violence continues. There should be more gun bills. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #144
Neither do I. 840high Aug 2015 #130
Bernie caucuses with the Democrats. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #18
Unlike someone nichomachus Aug 2015 #20
Wait, how can you support Hillary, be a Democrat, and not like him AT ALL? randys1 Aug 2015 #28
They simply don't like his KIND NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #93
Follow the money! nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #136
Amy Klobachar, MN just co-sponsered the Dark Act....... glinda Aug 2015 #42
Sanders SUPPORTS good Democrats. Why is the DNC headed by someone that supported REPUBLICANS? cascadiance Aug 2015 #69
+ a gadzillion of Democrats! leftofcool Aug 2015 #76
Cry me a river.... The DNC has sold out the people who ACTUALLY do the work to get out the vote peacebird Aug 2015 #9
Another- ruffburr Aug 2015 #10
Where is your business plan? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #37
Pretty simple! Bernie's business is to get business OUT of government! cascadiance Aug 2015 #85
So Bernie is not interested in free college, and in taxing corporations, etc. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #95
You asked a simplified question without details, I responded in kind... cascadiance Aug 2015 #100
Cry me a river. While the Democratic party shrinks Bernie is bringing them back to the fold. think Aug 2015 #12
huge crowds at his rallies are not made up of “registered Democrats” seabeyond Aug 2015 #13
how do you know they're not "registered Democrats"? Anything to back that up? neverforget Aug 2015 #32
bernie likes to say....? seabeyond Aug 2015 #41
Back up a reference to the article Sea! BainsBane Aug 2015 #73
lmfuggin'ao. ya.... too funny. bernie says. no no no, how dare you repeat what he says. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #89
How awful to expect a link to a point. neverforget Aug 2015 #106
I think it perfectly reasonable to expect responders BainsBane Aug 2015 #114
But you left this part out neverforget Aug 2015 #78
i left it out cause that was not my point. i made a statement. i was correct. EVEN bernie says. seabeyond Aug 2015 #92
Growing the party and building enthusiasm is a wonderful thing especially if it gets neverforget Aug 2015 #103
Well, maybe some who came over from Vancouver, Washington to see him in Portland... cascadiance Aug 2015 #87
And that is bad? I thought bringing in outsiders was what the DNC worked for. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #137
are they voting for sanders out of self interest and repug the rest of the way down the ticket? seabeyond Aug 2015 #138
Not if they listen to Bernie. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #140
He definitely confronted establishment politics and politicians. LWolf Aug 2015 #14
They did such a great job with GOTV in 2010 and 2014. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #29
A point which LWolf Aug 2015 #31
Why do I have a feeling Katy Sullivan is just a rabid Lincoln Chafee partisan ;) Schema Thing Aug 2015 #16
NYT journalistic ZERO! Sullivan NH state Co-Chair for Hillary 2008... 4139 Aug 2015 #19
Is it unacceptable to work for a particular candidate? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #52
NYT failure, NYT should have identified her as State co-chair for Hillary .... 4139 Aug 2015 #57
His supporters are so hostile to the DNC. If their support for Sanders doesn't translate into Metric System Aug 2015 #21
There are plenty of reasons not to like the DNC. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #23
I quit donating and became hostile to the DNC long before Bernie decided to run as a Dem. Autumn Aug 2015 #24
They don't want him. He insults Democrats and now he is insulting the DNC. leftofcool Aug 2015 #58
And the DNC's leadership at times liked to support Republicans instead of Democrats! cascadiance Aug 2015 #77
Um, the DNC (and DLC) has been as been insulting the dems base for decades now. PFunk1 Aug 2015 #134
Haha! She received "training" from a Super PAC on how to promote Clinton's candidacy arcane1 Aug 2015 #22
"as opposed to listing a lot of policy positions" Autumn Aug 2015 #25
"Poutrage Over Policy" must be the motto today arcane1 Aug 2015 #26
Wow, thanks for that contribution, blows up the OP entirely - nt dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #55
Yeah, that campaign's insincerity becomes more obvious every day n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #66
sincerendipity dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #113
It does not appear to have worked all that well MuseRider Aug 2015 #111
They are really showing their true colors here. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #139
The DNC did a helluva job in '10 and '14, didn't they? John Poet Aug 2015 #27
Interesting Truprogressive85 Aug 2015 #35
Are you promoting the non voters? BTW, how are those who was elected in those years working for Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #45
Progressive ISSUES did win in last election when the DNC had candidates avoid them... cascadiance Aug 2015 #83
You stay focused on what matters there, Ms. Sullivan BeyondGeography Aug 2015 #30
Living here in Florida, and seeing the cronyism of Debbie Wasserman-Dino on full display - djean111 Aug 2015 #33
Is she on drugs? I stopped giving to the DNC TBF Aug 2015 #40
So, a respected Democrat with an opinion is on drugs? leftofcool Aug 2015 #61
That works both ways you know - TBF Aug 2015 #64
Okay. You can win with 18% of progressives and no Dems in the GE against the Rethugs? leftofcool Aug 2015 #68
And you're throwing progessives under the bus - TBF Aug 2015 #71
LMAO! leftofcool Aug 2015 #74
The question is whether you're voting for Bernie. nt TBF Aug 2015 #98
Advocating sitting out the election is not exactly helping n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #72
Nah. A Democrat that supported Republicans over Democrats is on drugs LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #116
Maybe Hillary can win without us. 840high Aug 2015 #131
lmao and ohhhh, another dem thrown under the bus. how DARE she express anything but positive seabeyond Aug 2015 #44
She's a Hillary supporter who was literally trained to support her. arcane1 Aug 2015 #46
she is a democrat. if sanders had ONE democrat that supported him, i would not throw the dem under seabeyond Aug 2015 #47
We can start with ejecting all the corpratist faux progressives out. arcane1 Aug 2015 #50
we need supreme crt appointees to amend citizen. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #59
They're not needed to stop training people on how to bullshit potential voters arcane1 Aug 2015 #63
??? what are you talking about? i must have missed something. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #65
you are talking about the new hampshire woman? omg.... she is not allowed to even support someone seabeyond Aug 2015 #67
Of course she's allowed. arcane1 Aug 2015 #70
no trickery. SOME dems are gonna have a problem he isnt a dem. SOME dems are gonna have a problem seabeyond Aug 2015 #88
That's not my quote so I'm not sure why you're using it. arcane1 Aug 2015 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Aug 2015 #94
It looks like a quote from the author of the article in the OP arcane1 Aug 2015 #96
my bad. this is her issue. a legitimate issue she is allowed. that is all. i will delete the other seabeyond Aug 2015 #97
I agree w/her point that people need to get out to the polls arcane1 Aug 2015 #99
If she's really a Democrat, she's documented as being confused about that at times! cascadiance Aug 2015 #75
If you want dems to support your campaign FloridaBlues Aug 2015 #53
Who are you talking to? LWolf Aug 2015 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Aug 2015 #62
Haha tough shit whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #80
"Working Americans." SO fucking sick and tired of that dog whistle term. CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #86
100% correct. 840high Aug 2015 #133
Frankly, the grassroots scares the DNC Sh*tless emsimon33 Aug 2015 #90
Poor me. So mistreated. PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #101
Good lord. MuseRider Aug 2015 #104
Note to Ms. Sullivan: I've been a Party hack for years. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #105
We feel a lot more than insulted by a party that has lost its way jfern Aug 2015 #107
Anything that insults the DNC is fine in my book. hobbit709 Aug 2015 #109
...+1 840high Aug 2015 #132
If the Democratic Party walkingman Aug 2015 #112
“If Bernie Sanders wants to be president of the United States, he needs the Democratic Party,”... jtuck004 Aug 2015 #118
"our party's PERFECT: it's not our fault if people choose not to respond to it!" MisterP Aug 2015 #120
He only insulted cronies and ha,......Ohhhhhhhh. I see. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #121
She doesn't like being thanked for her work. LWolf Aug 2015 #122
What Bernie needs are Democrats. There is a difference. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2015 #124
And Democrats need Bernie. nt LWolf Aug 2015 #126
Aww. OnyxCollie Aug 2015 #129
Good, then he made his point clear! Live and Learn Aug 2015 #135
No, Ms. Sullivan... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #145
Tsk. Tsk. Sad, very sad. Heartbreaking. Tragic. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #146
I'm insulted by BS, too.. He wanted President Obama Primaried in 2012.. he knows nothing Cha Aug 2015 #147
"The Democratic National Committee are people who help get the voters to come out..." Garrett78 Aug 2015 #148

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
115. So to summarize the information down thread,
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:14 PM
Aug 2015

you've got a DNC operative who attended a Hillary super-PAC training session on how to talk about Clinton's campaign while also avoiding policy issues spinning up some outrage over the guy that promotes traditional Democratic policy positions.

Oh boy.

hedda_foil

(16,374 posts)
141. And nobody in their right mind thinks he's talking about attracting people who aren't registered Dem
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:18 PM
Aug 2015

He's talking about growing the base, not abandoning it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,703 posts)
3. The DNC has been insulting us.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:46 PM
Aug 2015

Of course the "insiders" aren't happy - Bernie is simply pointing out how useless and out of touch the DNC has become.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
5. The people that actually carry the water for the Democratic Party...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:46 PM
Aug 2015

the ones constantly demonized here with a variety of names.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,703 posts)
18. Bernie caucuses with the Democrats.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:00 PM
Aug 2015

More importantly, he argues better than anyone for the principles the Democratic Party used to stand for since the days of FDR, but that its establishment - the DNC, its operatives (that would be you, DWS) and its chosen candidates - seems to have forgotten about in order to curry favor with Wall Street.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
28. Wait, how can you support Hillary, be a Democrat, and not like him AT ALL?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:09 PM
Aug 2015

There are too many commonalities between him, Hillary and the party.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
42. Amy Klobachar, MN just co-sponsered the Dark Act.......
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:19 PM
Aug 2015

She runs as a Dem. I think personally it goes beyond what Label one chooses at this point but rather what actions they take. JMHO.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
69. Sanders SUPPORTS good Democrats. Why is the DNC headed by someone that supported REPUBLICANS?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:45 PM
Aug 2015

... and didn't want to help Democrats campaign against her REPUBLICAN FRIENDS in Florida? Details here if you don't believe me!

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/blog/453-debbie-wasserman-schultz-forgets-who-her-friends-are

And people complain about Bernie running because "he isn't a Democrat", when the DNC itself has leadership who is confused about which party she should be supporting at times. Like DINOS do some of you? Thought you did!

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
9. Cry me a river.... The DNC has sold out the people who ACTUALLY do the work to get out the vote
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:52 PM
Aug 2015

The regular folks across America who donate their time at phone banks, voter drives, papering, working the polls, etc.

I guess the peasants are beginning to see the emporer has no clothes, and the DNC is just beginning to understand the sea change that is Berniementum.

I love that O'Malley and Bernie both took it to them!

ruffburr

(1,190 posts)
10. Another-
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:52 PM
Aug 2015

Status Quo politician, The Third Way Has Hijacked The DNC, Status Quo will not get my VOTE, The DNC is nothing without the people whether they know it or not.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
85. Pretty simple! Bernie's business is to get business OUT of government!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:00 PM
Aug 2015

Where it doesn't belong as a controlling entity, and has corrupted our government for too long too!

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
100. You asked a simplified question without details, I responded in kind...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:24 PM
Aug 2015

Of course Bernie's wanting to have college that is free to kids as an investment in them, paid for by a financial transaction tax that hits the speculators on Wall Street that should be paying more for the benefits they get and don't pay adequately for in our country.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
12. Cry me a river. While the Democratic party shrinks Bernie is bringing them back to the fold.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:54 PM
Aug 2015

She should be thanking Bernie not disparaging him.....

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
13. huge crowds at his rallies are not made up of “registered Democrats”
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:56 PM
Aug 2015

just sayin.... and when i say what sanders says... i get a hide, or insulted, the OUTRAGE, lol

ah ha

gotta love it

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
41. bernie likes to say....?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:19 PM
Aug 2015
Bernie Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont, likes to say that the huge crowds at his rallies are not made up of “registered Democrats”


here is the thing. he knows who he is campaigning too. he is clear in his message, and his words and where he goes. he has repeated it for decades. an independent that has no desire to be part of the party.

it really does not take a genius to listen to sanders, and believe what he says.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
73. Back up a reference to the article Sea!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:47 PM
Aug 2015

How dare you actually read it! Who do you think you are?!

If Democrats aren't ordinary people, who exactly are? Republicans? Independents?

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
114. I think it perfectly reasonable to expect responders
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:06 PM
Aug 2015

have read at least the excerpt of the article in the OP. What you asked for is right there.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
78. But you left this part out
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:51 PM
Aug 2015
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/sanders-my-supporters-arent-registered-dems-just-ordinary-people

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said on Sunday that the tens of thousands of people who turn out to his rallies aren’t “registered Democrats,” just “ordinary people” — and that’s one of his main advantages in the race.

“When I speak to 28,000 people in Portland, Oregon, and 27,000 people in Los Angeles, the vast majority of those people, they’re not, quote, unquote, ‘registered Democrats.’ They are ordinary people who are sick and tired of politics as usual,” he said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Sanders argued that his independent status and broad appeal could be an asset if he wins the Democratic nomination, as he’d turn around “abysmal” Democratic turnout.

“One of the real advantages, I think, of me winning the Democratic primary, is that we can get a lot of young people, a lot of working people involved in the political process, getting them out to vote in a way that establishment politicians can’t,” he said.

“Democrats are losing because voter turnout is abysmal. I think we can change that.”
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
92. i left it out cause that was not my point. i made a statement. i was correct. EVEN bernie says.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:10 PM
Aug 2015

and ummmm, dems won pres last two elections. they will win again this election. use whatever excuses and reasoning you like.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
103. Growing the party and building enthusiasm is a wonderful thing especially if it gets
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:36 PM
Aug 2015

first time voters or infrequent voters excited to vote. I don't see a downside to this but you do I take it?

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
87. Well, maybe some who came over from Vancouver, Washington to see him in Portland...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:03 PM
Aug 2015

... aren't registered Democrats, since they don't need to be to vote for him in Washington state's "open" primaries. But I knew many Democrats there with voter registration forms in hand to help independents, etc. to register as Democrats at that very venue, as Oregonians will need to be Democrats to vote for him in the primary.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
137. And that is bad? I thought bringing in outsiders was what the DNC worked for.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:41 PM
Aug 2015

Oh, is he taking their job away?

By the way, huge crowds at his rallies are ALSO made up of "registered Democrats". I know, I am one.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
140. Not if they listen to Bernie.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:45 PM
Aug 2015

And you wouldn't even ask a question like that if you had actually listened to him. What a ridiculous assertion.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
14. He definitely confronted establishment politics and politicians.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:56 PM
Aug 2015

That includes the DNC, and Kathy Sullivan, if the shoe fits.


If the DNC are people who help gotv, perhaps they need to hear what Sanders is saying. Especially what he just got done saying about voter turnout, and how to get people to the polls.

For the record, it's not what the DNC has been, or is, doing.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,703 posts)
29. They did such a great job with GOTV in 2010 and 2014.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:10 PM
Aug 2015


They stupidly ditched the 50-state strategy and seem to be either unable or unwilling to recognize that if they want people to vote for their pre-selected candidate they need to give them a few reasons to do so. Same-old-same-old isn't a reason. Dynastic succession isn't a reason. Having the most money isn't a reason.

Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #51)

4139

(1,893 posts)
57. NYT failure, NYT should have identified her as State co-chair for Hillary ....
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:39 PM
Aug 2015

I was not criticizing Sullivan but the either lazy or dumb NYT reported.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
21. His supporters are so hostile to the DNC. If their support for Sanders doesn't translate into
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:01 PM
Aug 2015

support and donations for the party, which in turn helps down-ticket Democrats, then I can understand why the party establishment doesn't want him as their candidate.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,703 posts)
23. There are plenty of reasons not to like the DNC.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:04 PM
Aug 2015

Not the least of which is their hostility toward progressives. But, I guess they don't want to alienate the banksters too much.

PFunk1

(185 posts)
134. Um, the DNC (and DLC) has been as been insulting the dems base for decades now.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:56 PM
Aug 2015

namely those who wont buy the third way BS.

And Bernie has been more of a dem than most DNC supported dems despite not being one until he started running.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
22. Haha! She received "training" from a Super PAC on how to promote Clinton's candidacy
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:04 PM
Aug 2015

The making of a Hillary Clinton echo chamber

One day in May, operatives from a Washington-based super PAC gathered New Hampshire mayors, state representatives and local politicos at Saint Anselm College for a day of training.

They rehearsed their personal tales of how they met Hillary Rodham Clinton and why they support her for president. They sharpened their defenses of her record as secretary of state. They scripted their arguments for why the Democratic front-runner has been “a lifetime champion of income opportunity.” And they polished their on-camera presentations in a series of mock interviews.

The objective of the sessions: to nurture a seemingly grass-roots echo chamber of Clinton supporters reading from the same script across the communities that dot New Hampshire, a critical state that holds the nation’s first presidential primary.

-snip-

Kathy Sullivan, a Democratic National Committee member from New Hampshire who attended the training, said it helped her “talk about the Hillary Clinton we know.” The session included a workshop in which supporters turned to the supporters sitting next to them and practiced sharing anecdotes about Clinton that help humanize her.

“We would each tell a personal story about Hillary Clinton that is an example of the qualities about her that make her attractive as a candidate. as opposed to listing a lot of policy positions,” Sullivan said.

-snip-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-making-of-a-hillary-clinton-echo-chamber/2015/07/07/01625c5e-24ae-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html


Phony outrage!

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
113. sincerendipity
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:02 PM
Aug 2015

Not scripted, they just happen to say the same things, using a sincere-ish presentation stye, it's sincerendipity!

So Sullivan, the subject of the OP, was trained by David Brock's Correct The Record. Brock is one of the most infamous of all RW talking point and smear artists (he famously swiftboated Anita Hill and later the Clintons). He was a closeted gay man who switched sides from the right to the left, at least in part because he realized the right didn't support who he was.

My problem with that is did he transform his operating style and the essence of what he did, or did he just change uniforms? Reading up on this training, it looks to me like he changed uniforms. I have never read his books (Confession of a Right-Wing Hitman is one of them). But this whole approach of a an overly managed, scripted, coached, packaged campaign, oppo research, distributed talking points, that's what he is doing for the Clintons, and we see things like this OP.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/07/david_brock_s_correct_the_record_the_former_right_wing_operative_is_hillary.2.html

Strider (of Correct The Record) will even discuss how the organization might fend off attacks if Clinton draws a challenge from the left.


Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
139. They are really showing their true colors here.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:43 PM
Aug 2015

Their disdain for the non-'influential' base is quite apparent.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
27. The DNC did a helluva job in '10 and '14, didn't they?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:08 PM
Aug 2015
“The Democratic National Committee are people who help get the voters to come out and vote in the general election."

If those elections were the results of their "help", I guess we could do without them.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
35. Interesting
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:16 PM
Aug 2015

The DNC wants to keep playing centrist/3rd way bs politics don't be shock if the turn out is low

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
45. Are you promoting the non voters? BTW, how are those who was elected in those years working for
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:22 PM
Aug 2015

Progressive issues, how is that working for you.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
83. Progressive ISSUES did win in last election when the DNC had candidates avoid them...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:57 PM
Aug 2015

... and had them lose in the same states that issues like the minimum wage won! Do you see how throwing progressives under the bus LOSES elections even if Korporate Amerika wants that not to happen? Americans WANT progressive change, and they will find a way to get it, even if the DNC and other FAKE Democrats try to stand against it!

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/11/05/minimum-wage-measures-pass-overwhelmingly-even-red-states

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
33. Living here in Florida, and seeing the cronyism of Debbie Wasserman-Dino on full display -
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:15 PM
Aug 2015

I agree with Bernie, and don't need the DNC to tell me who to vote for.

Cronyism -
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24478039.html

Democratic party leaders have tapped Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz to raise money and coach candidates in a high-stakes, aggressive bid to expand the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives.

But as three Miami Democrats look to unseat three of her South Florida Republican colleagues, Wasserman Schultz is staying on the sidelines. So is Rep. Kendrick Meek, a Miami Democrat and loyal ally to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

That wasn't the case just two years ago when the pair flouted a long-standing Florida delegation agreement to not campaign against colleagues and vigorously backed Ron Klein in his winning bid to oust veteran Republican Rep. Clay Shaw.

This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races.
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The decision comes as Democrats believe they have their best shot in years to defeat at least one of the Cuban-American incumbents with a roster of Democrats that include former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez, outgoing Miami-Dade Democratic party chair Joe Garcia and businesswoman Annette Taddeo.

But Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their ties to the three Republicans are personal as well as professional: Both served in the state Legislature with Mario Diaz-Balart and say they work in concert with all three on South Florida issues.

Wasserman Schultz has also played a leading role in persuading the new Democratic majority to sustain the economic embargo against Cuba and has established close ties to the staunchly pro-embargo U.S.-Cuba Democracy political action committee, which has contributed thousands to Wasserman Schultz and Meek's campaigns.


THAT is the face of the DNC. The DNC will not direct my vote.

TBF

(32,062 posts)
40. Is she on drugs? I stopped giving to the DNC
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:19 PM
Aug 2015

around the time Kerry lost. I have no interest in them anymore. They are a bourgeoisie group that left the workers behind.

TBF

(32,062 posts)
64. That works both ways you know -
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:43 PM
Aug 2015

we don't want your third-way BS and we don't have to vote for it.

TBF

(32,062 posts)
71. And you're throwing progessives under the bus -
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:46 PM
Aug 2015

you're not going to win with Hillary. She couldn't even win the primary in '08 much less the general.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
44. lmao and ohhhh, another dem thrown under the bus. how DARE she express anything but positive
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:21 PM
Aug 2015

about sanders even if he is dissing her party. oh wait. my party. hmmmm, our party, looking around on democratic underground

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
47. she is a democrat. if sanders had ONE democrat that supported him, i would not throw the dem under
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:25 PM
Aug 2015

the bus.

dems are allowed to express how they feel about the different candidates without supporters throwing them under. we have all of dem congress, obama and every other dem being thrown under the bus cause they just do not say what sanders supporters want them to say.

another... under the bus.

he really is gonna save this dem party, ejecting out all dems. then what? he willl be all alone.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
50. We can start with ejecting all the corpratist faux progressives out.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:31 PM
Aug 2015

And stop using Super-PAC funds to "train" people on how to avoid discussing policy when promoting their candidate

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
63. They're not needed to stop training people on how to bullshit potential voters
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:41 PM
Aug 2015

That can stop today.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
67. you are talking about the new hampshire woman? omg.... she is not allowed to even support someone
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:44 PM
Aug 2015

you oppose?

whatever arcane. done with this thread. but, it was interesting.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
70. Of course she's allowed.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:46 PM
Aug 2015

And I'm allowed to say I prefer to discuss policy rather than use trickery. But thanks for proving my point

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
88. no trickery. SOME dems are gonna have a problem he isnt a dem. SOME dems are gonna have a problem
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:05 PM
Aug 2015

him insulting dems to shine his independent self

why would you think anything else, and they... dems, have every right to way that issue picking a candidate.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
91. That's not my quote so I'm not sure why you're using it.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:09 PM
Aug 2015

And I thought you were done with this thread

Regardless, saying they want to promote a candidate's personality and avoid talking about their policies is trickery no matter how much they wish to spin it.

Response to arcane1 (Reply #91)

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
96. It looks like a quote from the author of the article in the OP
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:17 PM
Aug 2015

Hence the lack of quotation marks.

If you can prove it's a Sanders quote, feel free. I'll say "I was wrong, he really did say that".

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
97. my bad. this is her issue. a legitimate issue she is allowed. that is all. i will delete the other
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:21 PM
Aug 2015
“I was like, ‘God love Bernie, but thanks for the insult,’ ” said Ms. Sullivan, an influential player in New Hampshire, where Mr. Sanders and Hillary Rodham Clinton are close in some opinion polls. “He’s coming to Minneapolis to see people who aren’t ordinary Americans?”


“If Bernie Sanders wants to be president of the United States, he needs the Democratic Party,” Ms. Sullivan continued. “The Democratic National Committee are people who help get the voters to come out and vote in the general election. And they’re people who have been fighting for working Americans for generations. I’d hope Bernie would see that.”
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
99. I agree w/her point that people need to get out to the polls
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:24 PM
Aug 2015

And I suspect we'll see many more registered Dems thanks to Sanders.

FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
53. If you want dems to support your campaign
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:35 PM
Aug 2015

You can't continue saying how much you dislike them. Not a good way to win over activitist who would gotv to help you win and yes get the support of delegate's you need. Like it or not you will need them.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
60. Who are you talking to?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:40 PM
Aug 2015

The OP certainly didn't say anything about not liking Democrats.

Neither did Sanders, who, when talking about beating Republicans, repeatedly said, "we." Referring to the Democratic Party.

Who continues to say how much he or she dislikes dems?

Please provide a link.

Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #53)

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
86. "Working Americans." SO fucking sick and tired of that dog whistle term.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:02 PM
Aug 2015

I most certainly do not feel that the Democratic party has been "fighting" for me in any way, shape or form for many years - whether I was working or since I retired. But I resent that relentless "hard working" crap when so many people can't work or can't find work.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
90. Frankly, the grassroots scares the DNC Sh*tless
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:07 PM
Aug 2015

They kicked Dean and his 50-State Strategy (which was the real power behind Obama's 2008 victory) to the curb as soon as the election was over.

The DNC is just a puppet of corporate, billionaire, and Wall Street interests.

The DNC does not want a revolution. The DNC is the status quo which has abetted the demise of the middle class and the shredding of the safety net.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
101. Poor me. So mistreated.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:33 PM
Aug 2015

The people are the party and the nation, not the other way around.

This whole establishment, party over policy thinking is Orwell's 1984. Fascist to the core. Take it down while we have the chance.

MuseRider

(34,109 posts)
104. Good lord.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:37 PM
Aug 2015

You would think she had the vapors.

I am sure this is so VERY important and posting this here is going to change minds. IMO it makes the party look even dumber and less competent than I thought it was.

Almost everyone knows already. Most of us feel like post #1 (thanks arcane, I laughed really hard at how few words it took for you to say what most of us feel).

I want my party back. This has never been an easy or clean game. It is down and dirty. Get over yourself honey. He probably really really likes you, it is your turned on it's head party he is not crazy about. We remember when it meant something and we want it back. If being that easily offended does not disqualify you from heading a political group with an important primary then this party truly needs to start over.

Oh, and by the way, he could have run 3rd party and spoiled it all for you but he did not want to do that. He did what he thought was the best for the country and the party he does not belong to. He did not have to do that.

There is absolutely no lie to what he said and that should make the DNC think not run in silly circles getting all offended. Perhaps they should reflect? Nahhhh.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
109. Anything that insults the DNC is fine in my book.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:40 PM
Aug 2015

They've been insulting my intelligence for years by treating me like Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
118. “If Bernie Sanders wants to be president of the United States, he needs the Democratic Party,”...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:21 PM
Aug 2015


That's almost as good a mood lifter as youtube puppies.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
122. She doesn't like being thanked for her work.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:26 PM
Aug 2015

"Thank you all for the work that you do every single day..."

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
135. Good, then he made his point clear!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:35 PM
Aug 2015

I think she is mistaken. It is not the DNC that gets voters to come out but having a candidate they actually like. Bernie is that candidate. The DNC is becoming irrelevant.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
147. I'm insulted by BS, too.. He wanted President Obama Primaried in 2012.. he knows nothing
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:31 AM
Aug 2015

about what it takes to get things done.. or he acts like it anyway.

The Democratic National Committee are people who help get the voters to come out and vote in the general election. And they’re people who have been fighting for working Americans for generations. I’d hope Bernie would see that.”

Anyone who wins the Dem Nom is going to need the Obama Coalition.. who actually got out and voted for the President Twice.. because they're smart and Obama knew how to get them out.

And, I am forever grateful to him.. not like some who have nothing but ignorant pot shots.

http://www.timesargus.com/article/20150829/NEWS01/708299946/1042/IRENE

Mahalo Cali

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
148. "The Democratic National Committee are people who help get the voters to come out..."
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 06:24 AM
Aug 2015

Perhaps the DNC would be more successful if Democrats did a better job of actually following the party platform. Or, better yet, the Green Party platform, but I digress. Instead of just spouting progressive rhetoric when it's convenient to do so.

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