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Related: About this forumNew Hampshire DNC Official Says She Feels Insulted By Bernie Sanders
Bernie Sanders Faces Skepticism From Democratic InsidersBy PATRICK HEALYAUG. 28, 2015
MINNEAPOLIS Bernie Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont, likes to say that the huge crowds at his rallies are not made up of registered Democrats even though he is running for the partys presidential nomination. No, it is ordinary people who are turning out to hear him, he says: Americans who are genuinely drawn to his message, not party hacks who dutifully show up at events for their political cronies.
Kathy Sullivan, a Democratic national committeewoman from New Hampshire, said she heard Mr. Sanders make that argument on television recently and winced and then found herself wondering what he would say to a ballroom full of party regulars Friday afternoon at the Democratic National Committees summer meeting here.
I was like, God love Bernie, but thanks for the insult, said Ms. Sullivan, an influential player in New Hampshire, where Mr. Sanders and Hillary Rodham Clinton are close in some opinion polls. Hes coming to Minneapolis to see people who arent ordinary Americans?
If Bernie Sanders wants to be president of the United States, he needs the Democratic Party, Ms. Sullivan continued. The Democratic National Committee are people who help get the voters to come out and vote in the general election. And theyre people who have been fighting for working Americans for generations. Id hope Bernie would see that.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-faces-skepticism-from-democratic-insiders.html?_r=0
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Cry me a river.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)"Cry me a river."
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)you've got a DNC operative who attended a Hillary super-PAC training session on how to talk about Clinton's campaign while also avoiding policy issues spinning up some outrage over the guy that promotes traditional Democratic policy positions.
Oh boy.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)hedda_foil
(16,374 posts)He's talking about growing the base, not abandoning it.
840high
(17,196 posts)Autumn
(45,089 posts)hollysmom
(5,946 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Autumn
(45,089 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,703 posts)Of course the "insiders" aren't happy - Bernie is simply pointing out how useless and out of touch the DNC has become.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)the same should be said for the rnc
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,703 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)the ones constantly demonized here with a variety of names.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)I just dont like him at all. He isn't even a Democrat.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)I do not trust Hillary
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)have a nice weekend
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,703 posts)Anything he's done in his political career? His messy hair? His accent? What?
Autumn
(45,089 posts)No fancy pantsuits for him.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,703 posts)Sorry I asked.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)jalan48
(13,866 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,703 posts)More importantly, he argues better than anyone for the principles the Democratic Party used to stand for since the days of FDR, but that its establishment - the DNC, its operatives (that would be you, DWS) and its chosen candidates - seems to have forgotten about in order to curry favor with Wall Street.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)who calls herself a Democrat, but really isn't.
randys1
(16,286 posts)There are too many commonalities between him, Hillary and the party.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)of Democrat.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)She runs as a Dem. I think personally it goes beyond what Label one chooses at this point but rather what actions they take. JMHO.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... and didn't want to help Democrats campaign against her REPUBLICAN FRIENDS in Florida? Details here if you don't believe me!
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/blog/453-debbie-wasserman-schultz-forgets-who-her-friends-are
And people complain about Bernie running because "he isn't a Democrat", when the DNC itself has leadership who is confused about which party she should be supporting at times. Like DINOS do some of you? Thought you did!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)The regular folks across America who donate their time at phone banks, voter drives, papering, working the polls, etc.
I guess the peasants are beginning to see the emporer has no clothes, and the DNC is just beginning to understand the sea change that is Berniementum.
I love that O'Malley and Bernie both took it to them!
ruffburr
(1,190 posts)Status Quo politician, The Third Way Has Hijacked The DNC, Status Quo will not get my VOTE, The DNC is nothing without the people whether they know it or not.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Where it doesn't belong as a controlling entity, and has corrupted our government for too long too!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Of course Bernie's wanting to have college that is free to kids as an investment in them, paid for by a financial transaction tax that hits the speculators on Wall Street that should be paying more for the benefits they get and don't pay adequately for in our country.
think
(11,641 posts)She should be thanking Bernie not disparaging him.....
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)just sayin.... and when i say what sanders says... i get a hide, or insulted, the OUTRAGE, lol
ah ha
gotta love it
neverforget
(9,436 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)here is the thing. he knows who he is campaigning too. he is clear in his message, and his words and where he goes. he has repeated it for decades. an independent that has no desire to be part of the party.
it really does not take a genius to listen to sanders, and believe what he says.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)How dare you actually read it! Who do you think you are?!
If Democrats aren't ordinary people, who exactly are? Republicans? Independents?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)have read at least the excerpt of the article in the OP. What you asked for is right there.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)When I speak to 28,000 people in Portland, Oregon, and 27,000 people in Los Angeles, the vast majority of those people, theyre not, quote, unquote, registered Democrats. They are ordinary people who are sick and tired of politics as usual, he said on NBCs Meet the Press.
Sanders argued that his independent status and broad appeal could be an asset if he wins the Democratic nomination, as hed turn around abysmal Democratic turnout.
One of the real advantages, I think, of me winning the Democratic primary, is that we can get a lot of young people, a lot of working people involved in the political process, getting them out to vote in a way that establishment politicians cant, he said.
Democrats are losing because voter turnout is abysmal. I think we can change that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and ummmm, dems won pres last two elections. they will win again this election. use whatever excuses and reasoning you like.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)first time voters or infrequent voters excited to vote. I don't see a downside to this but you do I take it?
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... aren't registered Democrats, since they don't need to be to vote for him in Washington state's "open" primaries. But I knew many Democrats there with voter registration forms in hand to help independents, etc. to register as Democrats at that very venue, as Oregonians will need to be Democrats to vote for him in the primary.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Oh, is he taking their job away?
By the way, huge crowds at his rallies are ALSO made up of "registered Democrats". I know, I am one.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)And you wouldn't even ask a question like that if you had actually listened to him. What a ridiculous assertion.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)That includes the DNC, and Kathy Sullivan, if the shoe fits.
If the DNC are people who help gotv, perhaps they need to hear what Sanders is saying. Especially what he just got done saying about voter turnout, and how to get people to the polls.
For the record, it's not what the DNC has been, or is, doing.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,703 posts)They stupidly ditched the 50-state strategy and seem to be either unable or unwilling to recognize that if they want people to vote for their pre-selected candidate they need to give them a few reasons to do so. Same-old-same-old isn't a reason. Dynastic succession isn't a reason. Having the most money isn't a reason.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)the DNC seems determined to miss.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)4139
(1,893 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #51)
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4139
(1,893 posts)I was not criticizing Sullivan but the either lazy or dumb NYT reported.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)support and donations for the party, which in turn helps down-ticket Democrats, then I can understand why the party establishment doesn't want him as their candidate.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,703 posts)Not the least of which is their hostility toward progressives. But, I guess they don't want to alienate the banksters too much.
Autumn
(45,089 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)PFunk1
(185 posts)namely those who wont buy the third way BS.
And Bernie has been more of a dem than most DNC supported dems despite not being one until he started running.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)The making of a Hillary Clinton echo chamber
One day in May, operatives from a Washington-based super PAC gathered New Hampshire mayors, state representatives and local politicos at Saint Anselm College for a day of training.
They rehearsed their personal tales of how they met Hillary Rodham Clinton and why they support her for president. They sharpened their defenses of her record as secretary of state. They scripted their arguments for why the Democratic front-runner has been a lifetime champion of income opportunity. And they polished their on-camera presentations in a series of mock interviews.
The objective of the sessions: to nurture a seemingly grass-roots echo chamber of Clinton supporters reading from the same script across the communities that dot New Hampshire, a critical state that holds the nations first presidential primary.
-snip-
Kathy Sullivan, a Democratic National Committee member from New Hampshire who attended the training, said it helped her talk about the Hillary Clinton we know. The session included a workshop in which supporters turned to the supporters sitting next to them and practiced sharing anecdotes about Clinton that help humanize her.
We would each tell a personal story about Hillary Clinton that is an example of the qualities about her that make her attractive as a candidate. as opposed to listing a lot of policy positions, Sullivan said.
-snip-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-making-of-a-hillary-clinton-echo-chamber/2015/07/07/01625c5e-24ae-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html
Phony outrage!
Autumn
(45,089 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Not scripted, they just happen to say the same things, using a sincere-ish presentation stye, it's sincerendipity!
So Sullivan, the subject of the OP, was trained by David Brock's Correct The Record. Brock is one of the most infamous of all RW talking point and smear artists (he famously swiftboated Anita Hill and later the Clintons). He was a closeted gay man who switched sides from the right to the left, at least in part because he realized the right didn't support who he was.
My problem with that is did he transform his operating style and the essence of what he did, or did he just change uniforms? Reading up on this training, it looks to me like he changed uniforms. I have never read his books (Confession of a Right-Wing Hitman is one of them). But this whole approach of a an overly managed, scripted, coached, packaged campaign, oppo research, distributed talking points, that's what he is doing for the Clintons, and we see things like this OP.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/07/david_brock_s_correct_the_record_the_former_right_wing_operative_is_hillary.2.html
MuseRider
(34,109 posts)at least judging the trending there.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Their disdain for the non-'influential' base is quite apparent.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)If those elections were the results of their "help", I guess we could do without them.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)The DNC wants to keep playing centrist/3rd way bs politics don't be shock if the turn out is low
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Progressive issues, how is that working for you.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... and had them lose in the same states that issues like the minimum wage won! Do you see how throwing progressives under the bus LOSES elections even if Korporate Amerika wants that not to happen? Americans WANT progressive change, and they will find a way to get it, even if the DNC and other FAKE Democrats try to stand against it!
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/11/05/minimum-wage-measures-pass-overwhelmingly-even-red-states
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)What preciousness.
djean111
(14,255 posts)I agree with Bernie, and don't need the DNC to tell me who to vote for.
Cronyism -
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24478039.html
But as three Miami Democrats look to unseat three of her South Florida Republican colleagues, Wasserman Schultz is staying on the sidelines. So is Rep. Kendrick Meek, a Miami Democrat and loyal ally to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
That wasn't the case just two years ago when the pair flouted a long-standing Florida delegation agreement to not campaign against colleagues and vigorously backed Ron Klein in his winning bid to oust veteran Republican Rep. Clay Shaw.
This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races.
.....
The decision comes as Democrats believe they have their best shot in years to defeat at least one of the Cuban-American incumbents with a roster of Democrats that include former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez, outgoing Miami-Dade Democratic party chair Joe Garcia and businesswoman Annette Taddeo.
But Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their ties to the three Republicans are personal as well as professional: Both served in the state Legislature with Mario Diaz-Balart and say they work in concert with all three on South Florida issues.
Wasserman Schultz has also played a leading role in persuading the new Democratic majority to sustain the economic embargo against Cuba and has established close ties to the staunchly pro-embargo U.S.-Cuba Democracy political action committee, which has contributed thousands to Wasserman Schultz and Meek's campaigns.
THAT is the face of the DNC. The DNC will not direct my vote.
TBF
(32,062 posts)around the time Kerry lost. I have no interest in them anymore. They are a bourgeoisie group that left the workers behind.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Got it! Maybe Bernie can win without us.
TBF
(32,062 posts)we don't want your third-way BS and we don't have to vote for it.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)TBF
(32,062 posts)you're not going to win with Hillary. She couldn't even win the primary in '08 much less the general.
I guess you won't be voting for her in the general?
TBF
(32,062 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)about sanders even if he is dissing her party. oh wait. my party. hmmmm, our party, looking around on democratic underground
arcane1
(38,613 posts)She's just doing her job!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the bus.
dems are allowed to express how they feel about the different candidates without supporters throwing them under. we have all of dem congress, obama and every other dem being thrown under the bus cause they just do not say what sanders supporters want them to say.
another... under the bus.
he really is gonna save this dem party, ejecting out all dems. then what? he willl be all alone.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And stop using Super-PAC funds to "train" people on how to avoid discussing policy when promoting their candidate
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)That can stop today.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you oppose?
whatever arcane. done with this thread. but, it was interesting.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And I'm allowed to say I prefer to discuss policy rather than use trickery. But thanks for proving my point
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)him insulting dems to shine his independent self
why would you think anything else, and they... dems, have every right to way that issue picking a candidate.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And I thought you were done with this thread
Regardless, saying they want to promote a candidate's personality and avoid talking about their policies is trickery no matter how much they wish to spin it.
Response to arcane1 (Reply #91)
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arcane1
(38,613 posts)Hence the lack of quotation marks.
If you can prove it's a Sanders quote, feel free. I'll say "I was wrong, he really did say that".
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)If Bernie Sanders wants to be president of the United States, he needs the Democratic Party, Ms. Sullivan continued. The Democratic National Committee are people who help get the voters to come out and vote in the general election. And theyre people who have been fighting for working Americans for generations. Id hope Bernie would see that.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And I suspect we'll see many more registered Dems thanks to Sanders.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)You can't continue saying how much you dislike them. Not a good way to win over activitist who would gotv to help you win and yes get the support of delegate's you need. Like it or not you will need them.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)The OP certainly didn't say anything about not liking Democrats.
Neither did Sanders, who, when talking about beating Republicans, repeatedly said, "we." Referring to the Democratic Party.
Who continues to say how much he or she dislikes dems?
Please provide a link.
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whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)He's right and she's a dead-weight bureaucrat. Boo Hoo.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)I most certainly do not feel that the Democratic party has been "fighting" for me in any way, shape or form for many years - whether I was working or since I retired. But I resent that relentless "hard working" crap when so many people can't work or can't find work.
840high
(17,196 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)They kicked Dean and his 50-State Strategy (which was the real power behind Obama's 2008 victory) to the curb as soon as the election was over.
The DNC is just a puppet of corporate, billionaire, and Wall Street interests.
The DNC does not want a revolution. The DNC is the status quo which has abetted the demise of the middle class and the shredding of the safety net.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)The people are the party and the nation, not the other way around.
This whole establishment, party over policy thinking is Orwell's 1984. Fascist to the core. Take it down while we have the chance.
MuseRider
(34,109 posts)You would think she had the vapors.
I am sure this is so VERY important and posting this here is going to change minds. IMO it makes the party look even dumber and less competent than I thought it was.
Almost everyone knows already. Most of us feel like post #1 (thanks arcane, I laughed really hard at how few words it took for you to say what most of us feel).
I want my party back. This has never been an easy or clean game. It is down and dirty. Get over yourself honey. He probably really really likes you, it is your turned on it's head party he is not crazy about. We remember when it meant something and we want it back. If being that easily offended does not disqualify you from heading a political group with an important primary then this party truly needs to start over.
Oh, and by the way, he could have run 3rd party and spoiled it all for you but he did not want to do that. He did what he thought was the best for the country and the party he does not belong to. He did not have to do that.
There is absolutely no lie to what he said and that should make the DNC think not run in silly circles getting all offended. Perhaps they should reflect? Nahhhh.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Just not your's.
jfern
(5,204 posts)3rd way is destroying the party.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)They've been insulting my intelligence for years by treating me like Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football.
840high
(17,196 posts)walkingman
(7,616 posts)wants to have a DEmocratic president of the United States, they need Bernie!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)That's almost as good a mood lifter as youtube puppies.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)"Thank you all for the work that you do every single day..."
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Don't care.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I think she is mistaken. It is not the DNC that gets voters to come out but having a candidate they actually like. Bernie is that candidate. The DNC is becoming irrelevant.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)The Democratic Party need HIM!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Cha
(297,240 posts)about what it takes to get things done.. or he acts like it anyway.
The Democratic National Committee are people who help get the voters to come out and vote in the general election. And theyre people who have been fighting for working Americans for generations. Id hope Bernie would see that.
Anyone who wins the Dem Nom is going to need the Obama Coalition.. who actually got out and voted for the President Twice.. because they're smart and Obama knew how to get them out.
And, I am forever grateful to him.. not like some who have nothing but ignorant pot shots.
http://www.timesargus.com/article/20150829/NEWS01/708299946/1042/IRENE
Mahalo Cali
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Perhaps the DNC would be more successful if Democrats did a better job of actually following the party platform. Or, better yet, the Green Party platform, but I digress. Instead of just spouting progressive rhetoric when it's convenient to do so.