Bernie brings DNC to its feet in BRILLIANT 25 minute speech!

[ram2008]

One of Bernie's best speeches he's ever delivered in my opinion-- and it was to the DNC, he kicked ass and took names!! WOW he made his message loud and clear, Enough is enough! They weren't kidding when they said he was going to tear establishment politics to pieces. Chants of Bernie, Bernie broke out several times during the speech.

Link here:

Some highlights:

"We must be clear: that the racist and un-American ideal that we are going to somehow round up millions of people in the dead of the night, is not what this country is about, and it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! (19:57)

"We need a political movement once and for all that will end institutional racism in our country once and for all and reform a very, very broken criminal justice system."(17:49)

"If a politician is too cowardly to face the voters, if a politician needs to think that he must suppress the vote in order to win, that politician should get another job!" (ad-libbed) (14:59)

"One of the first orders of business... to rehear and to OVERTURN citizens united..But we have to go even further than overturning Citizens United... We need to move towards public funding of elections!" (13:38)

"When Wall Street collapsed because of their greed and illegal behavior, the American people bailed them out, now it is their turn to help the middle class of this country!" (17:27)

"...And Brothers and sisters, that means DEFEATING the keystone pipeline!" (15:54)

Link to full speech here, although some was ad-libbed: https://berniesanders.com/remarks-at-the-democratic-national-committee/

[peacebird]

1. Little DWS wasn't thrilled to #FeelTheBern !

[Fred Sanders]

2. Was the Democratic Party or it's executives mentioned?

At 3:00 he made it clear why he will be supporting the Iran nuclear deal, for that I salute him!

[ruffburr]

29. +1

The Third Way got THE BERN !!!!!

[elzenmahn]

144. She shouldn't be...

...because Bernie was calling out ALL of the third-wayers, especially Debbie Weasleman Schiltz.

[Lorien]

205. She seriously needs to be drop kicked from the party

She has to be one of the most dim witted, self serving corporate toadies that has ever been given a leadership position in the now very UN-Democratic DNC. She needs to go, the sooner, the better. http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/remove-debbie-wasserman

[peacebird]

241. Signed the petition and tweeted the link to it!

You should post it as an OP!

[2banon]

290. This!^^^^^^10000! "the most dim witted, self serving corporate toadies ever..."

In full agreement a million times over.

[moobu2]

3. I just cant get passed the fact that Bernie Sanders isnt a Democrat

He said he was just using our party to give his candidacy a legitimacy it wouldn't have had if he had run for his own parties nomination as a 3rd party candidate.

[peacebird]

5. He is a true Democrat, not the dino DLC corporatists that are running the party since Bubba.

I like it. I want our party to go back to tking care of the American people, not the multinational corporations and banksters.

[Android3.14]

81. Well said

I want our nation to go that way as well. The future just seems better with Bernie.

[emsimon33]

116. and billionaires and Wall Street and Monsanto and ... .

[MrMickeysMom]

244. Me, too, peace bird...

Me, too.

[Fuddnik]

252. He's more of a Democrat than the party chairperson.

Or any other Third-Way New Democrat Liebermoron.

[trof]

267. Yep, Bernie's an FDR Democrat.

FDR was called a socialist by the banksters and Wall St.

[Fred Sanders]

6. The Party has accepted him, he has just made a speech at a major meeting.......get over it.

[840high]

83. You get over it.

[emsimon33]

118. Huh? Makes no sense

[MrMickeysMom]

246. Get over WHAT?

Get over the fact that our Democratic leadership has had the skids greased so that OUR PARTY platform matches the same corporately run platform that has resulted in getting us to where we are now?

I think real Democrats read, and then pay attention to what formed the kind of Democratic party post civil war era. There was an other Democratic Party prior to that era which was badly in need of seeing who was building this country.

It culminated to the kind of Democratic party that we all LIKE to say we are, but has lost its way. I don't even want to get into what has happened to the Republican party…

So many Democratic leaders (local, state, national) are locked into a different master… and for a very long time, it has not BEEN us… ALL OF US.

It can be again, so WHAT'S to get over about those in the Democratic party finally connecting to that message?

[arcane1]

8. That's too bad, because he's the best candidate.

You place undue focus on a triviality.

[Baadger]

239. Exactly

He embodies the party's founders ideals

[Vincardog]

9. TOO BAD you want to stand on the

Wrong side of history.

[seabeyond]

12. it is gonna be a factor, whether sanders supporters wnat it to be or not. more burying their head.

Last edited Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:27 PM - Edit history (2)

i expected sanders to be somewhat conciliatory while using the democratic party to run for pres as a DEM.... but, well, hell.... that just is not sanders way. which again, is gonna be a factor.

especially if pres.

[JDPriestly]

61. He is running as a Democrat.

He supported numerous Democrats, campaigning for them, for example, in the past.

He caucuses with Democrats.

Most people could care less whether he signed a sheet of paper saying he was a Democrat and not something else.

He sure sounds like a Democrat. He is clearly on the side of the people.

Vermont does not have the same party registration system that other states have.

He is more Democratic in my book than a lot of the Blue Dog Democrats in Congress.

This is a non-issue.

It's just a wish on the part of Hillary supporters that Bernie's having run as an Independent (not as a Republican like Chafee) in the past might be an issue.

It won't be.

A lot of people like him precisely because he hasn't sold himself to raise money to get the support of the leaders in the Democratic Party.

What kinds of fund-raising targets are the "in" crowd in the Democratic Party encouraged to raise if any? I'd like a discussion on that topic one of these days.

Bernie is a strong candidate and increasing momentum all the time.

[seabeyond]

65. right. then he should not separate himself from democratic, while running under democratic

in the democratic primary as an independent campaigning to all, unless he wants people to consider he really is not a democrat.

SOME democrats may not like that. just a reality. being an independent has good points and bad points. this is gonna be one of his hurdles he is gonna have to jump

being conciliatory toward democrats, not insulting them, would be a good step.

[cleanhippie]

71. It's not insulting to the DNC to point out the many obvious failings

That the party refuses to address.


But if it makes you feel better about it to be insulted by that...

[seabeyond]

74. you can rationalize it 'til the cows come home. not gonna help sanders. nt

[cleanhippie]

77. Ahh, so your post was exactly as it seemed: a trash Bernie post.

If anything is insulting, it's your sophomoric attempts to trash the best presidential candidate the DNC has seen since Carter.

[seabeyond]

79. making a point, once again, that will gain sanders support as opposed to yours and others

method of losing votes is hardly trashing the man.

i was all over it with blacks. listen sanders, be inclusive sanders. you all threw fits i dared suggest he be inclusive.

now i do it again, to help sanders get more votes. and more fits. hence. my first post. you all just bury your heads in the sand and see how well it works for you.

[beam me up scottie]

92. "i was all over it with blacks"

Will you stop bringing up poc every time you're losing an argument?

Give the race baiting a rest, we're celebrating a great speech by a great man and you're not going to ruin it.

[seabeyond]

100. i get you do not like reminders of fails, but it is a relevant point. you are a demanding woman

ok.

i do not like being in a thread of celebration. you are right.

so, do not reply to me, and i am done. i wont need to say another word

[beam me up scottie]

106. There was no "fail" and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Poc do not deserve to be used as human shields in your campaign against Bernie and neither do women or lgbt people.

You appear to be incapable of actually addressing the issues and continuously look for any excuse to attack Bernie and his supporters.

Like I said, give it a rest.

[seabeyond]

111. i didnt read, cause i do not want this to continue... but, i knew you couldnt let it go. lol

[beam me up scottie]

115. " i knew you couldnt let it go"

[MrMickeysMom]

253. So, then, you wouldn't want to respond, naturally...

But, would you also not examine the issues behind the candidacy. They are all of our issues.

Sooner or later, we must talk about the state of our Democratic party… where it started, morphed, morphed again, and now…

We ALL have a stake in bringing it back to the leadership that addresses inclusive issues and what it means to be a member of the Democratic party.

That is where the conversation belongs, as seen in the OP.

[bettyellen]

128. WTF was this alerted on? Seriously folks- grow up!

[AgingAmerican]

297. Do you have to throw stink bombs in EVERY Sanders thread?

Seriously, give it a rest for once.

[seabeyond]

299. seriously. dont tell me what to do

[AgingAmerican]

301. Throw your pointless stink bombs then

Show your 'support' for Hillary!

[seabeyond]

309. and dont assign me my candidate. fail

[DisgustipatedinCA]

157. I'm just happy she has recently put the S back on the end of Sanders' name.

I'm hoping for capitalization breakthroughs next week.

PS: what the hell does "I was all over it with blacks" even mean?

[beam me up scottie]

162. I have no idea.

I just know they bring up poc every time they can't back up their claims.

They've been pushing that racism meme for months, it's the default position.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

166. Yeah, she' one of a small handful who use that technique.

The question about her meaning was rhetorical. I didn't expect you to be able to plumb those depths for an answer; god knows I couldn't make sense of it.

Have a good weekend.

[beam me up scottie]

167. You too, DiCA!

[BeanMusical]

282. So true.

And such a disgusting "strategy".

[hifiguy]

95. Oh, you're back

after serving your umpteenth time-out.

[seabeyond]

103. i missed you so, ;)

[kath]

124. Question -

how many forced time-outs should a poster have (or is a poster allowed to have)before the admins decide that that person is a detriment rather than an asset to the site, and given the boot permanently?

[SMC22307]

207. That's a good question. 5? 10? A dozen?

[Puglover]

243. +1000!

I don't need to say any more then that.

[Bobbie Jo]

266. Is there a reason

that you're so concerned about this, kath?

How many have you had?

Maybe you should take your "question" to ATA. Otherwise it just looks like meta swarming.

[BeanMusical]

280. For HRC supporters there is no limit.

It's clear which candidate the admins are supporting.

[lumberjack_jeff]

268. alert results

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[dreamnightwind]

104. I call bullshit

"now i do it again, to help sanders get more votes."


No, that is not why you do it.

[seabeyond]

113. i am helpful that way.

[dreamnightwind]

119. Oh I've noticed

[RoccoR5955]

150. So tell me

When Bernie gets the nomination, will you sit home because he's "not a real Democrat," or will you vote for him, and support him?

[seabeyond]

151. oh hell no i will not be sitting home. i will be his best cheerleader. bumperstickers, signs in

the yard and conversation with everyone i come in contact with.

whatchu mean sittin at home. blacks, latinos, womens, gays lives are at stake. hell no i wont be sitting at home

talk to sanders supporters and ask them the same if clinton wins. see the percentage that will not be voting for her. they will be our new pumas....

here is the thing. i have done my research on the man, i know who he is and what he has to sell. piece of cake.

self interest. it will connect with a lot of the very white, republican area i live in. self interest.

[beam me up scottie]

155. Now Bernie's selling "self interest" to white people???

i have done my research on the man, i know who he is and what he has to sell. piece of cake.

self interest. it will connect with a lot of the very white, republican area i live in. self interest.

[seabeyond]

156. if you would quit talking to me, i would get out of your celebratory thread like you want me to

[beam me up scottie]

158. What I want is for you to quit making shit up.

If you would quit doing that I would stop calling you on it.

[seabeyond]

160. i would like for you to quit insulting me every post. not gonna happen, is it. lol

[beam me up scottie]

163. Calling you out is not insulting you. And I won't stop doing that, no.

If you are so sure your candidate is better than Bernie shouldn't you be posting positive things about them?

Or are you all about swift boating Bernie instead of promoting someone else?

[seabeyond]

164. ya ya ya ya ya

[BeanMusical]

283. That's deep.

[R B Garr]

182. It's hard to believe you didn't understand what the reference to

Republican/self-interest meant. Yet you say you're calling people out, when that's not at all what you're doing. So you should quit making shit up yourself.

[beam me up scottie]

183. That tired old meme just isn't working for you guys.

You should try harder.

Really.

[R B Garr]

184. lol, back to the confusion scam, I see.

It's all so confusing for you. :

Star Member beam me up scottie (32,006 posts)

155. Now Bernie's selling "self interest" to white people???

[beam me up scottie]

186. Nice personal attack.

Bucking for another hidden post?

[R B Garr]

188. You attacked someone by calling her confused and attacked her again

by saying she made shit up.

She even asked you to quit attacking her.

Your post:

Star Member beam me up scottie (32,006 posts)

155. Now Bernie's selling "self interest" to white people???

Looks like a confusion scam to me.

[beam me up scottie]

189. Stop misrepresenting my posts.

[R B Garr]

190. That's just what I said to you two posts ago. Quit misrepresenting posts.

Exactly!

I take it as a form of flattery that you copied me.

[beam me up scottie]

193. FEEL THE BERN BABY!!!

[R B Garr]

195. Thanks again for copying me. I'm flattered, and I

accept your retreat and self-reflection.

[beam me up scottie]

196. We are not returning to the days of back-room abortions, when countless women died...

[R B Garr]

197. Yes! The Democratic party stands for women's rights, minorities, and the disadvantaged!

Now you've got it! The old white men concerned only about money and wealth have their own party! We stand together.

[beam me up scottie]

200. Good thing the progressive in the race is anti-death penalty too.

[R B Garr]

202. Yes, and it's good thing sparsely populated states compared to New York

means less death penalty cases overall. Politicians can have cleaner hands in general in more homogenously populated areas with predictable constituents.

Nice topic shift there, btw!

[beam me up scottie]

204. You're saying that Vermont doesn't have the death penalty because it's a white state?

Or it could be they don't want to execute prisoners of any colour because it's immoral.

Anyone defending the death penalty surely can't forget the innocent people who were wrongfully convicted.

But at least we should all be able to agree that the death penalty is racially biased.

RACE AND THE DEATH PENALTY

The color of a defendant and victim's skin plays a crucial and unacceptable role in deciding who receives the death penalty in America. People of color have accounted for a disproportionate 43 % of total executions since 1976 and 55 % of those currently awaiting execution. A moratorium of the death penalty is necessary to address the blatant prejudice in our application of the death penalty.

...

While white victims account for approximately one-half of all murder victims, 80% of all Capital cases involve white victims. Furthermore, as of October 2002, 12 people have been executed where the defendant was white and the murder victim black, compared with 178 black defendants executed for murders with white victims.

For many years reports from around the country have found that a pervasive racial prejudice in the application of the death penalty exists.

In January 2003, researchers at the University of Maryland concluded in a study commissioned by the Maryland Governor that defendants are much more likely to be sentenced to death if they have killed a white person. Urgent: Maryland residents can take action to send a free fax to their state legislators about a pending death penalty bill!

In August 2001, the New Jersey Supreme Court released a report which also found that the state's death penalty law is more likely to proceed against defendants who kill white victims.

In April 2001, researchers from the University of North Carolina released a study of all homicide cases in North Carolina between 1993 and 1997. The study found that the odds of getting a death sentence increased three and a half times if the victim was white rather than black.

https://www.aclu.org/race-and-death-penalty

[kenfrequed]

208. I thank you all.

Thank you beam me up for standing up.

And I also thank those people that were throwing their random attacks. Everytime they throw an attack on this thread it kicks the video up the list for more people to watch.

So thank you all.

[beam me up scottie]

209. I AGREE. It's at the top of the greatest!

You're very welcome, and right back atcha! You're no slouch yourself.

[R B Garr]

216. No, I wasn't saying what you said I said. You do this a lot.

Quit using posts to tee off your non sequitur agendas. It might work on this website for awhile, but Jane and Johnny America will pick up they are being scammed by Bernie supporters, which has already been happening on social media.

Advancements in DNA analysis and the shocking atrocities of justice that they have uncovered have had more to do with the death penalty being shunned by states. It hasn't been because of politicians, generally speaking,

But back to what I meant that seems intentionally twisted: it is easier to please
600,000 people in a racially non-diverse state then than it is to please to 30,000,000 (30 million) in a more diverse state. Why would a progressive leave such a hotbed of diversity and culture like New York where he could have represented his so-called progressive values on a grand scale and in real time instead of kicking back in a rural, sparsely populated state. It makes no sense. People will be asking about that.

[beam me up scottie]

217. So being pro-death penalty is all about "pleasing" one's constituents?

Seems you're right:

Bill Clinton Killed A Black Man To Become President

Tuesday Hillary Clinton claimed the 2008 Democratic campaign for president has not been tarred by racism. In this she lies. She knows very well that the campaign has been tarred by racism, as she knows that her candidacy has managed to survive only through its deliberate appeal to racists.

I wish I could say that her acts, her words, surprise me. But they don't. Because I know something about her, and her husband, and race. For in 1992, I worked for the Clinton campaign. And though employed in a minor capacity, word filtered down even to me that Bill Clinton intended to put to death a black man, as a way to "dog-whistle" to white racists that he knew how blacks should really be treated.

And so Bill Clinton put to death a black man, so mentally impaired that, when led to the death chamber, he left behind his pie, believing that, after his execution, he would return to consume it. In putting to death this black man, Clinton committed an act that, some 10 years later, the Republican-dominated US Supreme Court would rule occurred in clear violation of the United States Constitution.

No matter. His death helped Bill Clinton become president. That was all that mattered.

...

For fifty minutes they searched for a vein in Ricky Ray Rector's arm, and then they killed him. He had left his slice of pecan pie on his prison tray, telling his guard that, after his execution, he would come back to eat it, "later."

"Later," in 2002, tardily following the long-ago lead of Justice Marshall, then dead, the United States Supreme Court, voting 6-3, ruled that executing the mentally retarded or disabled constitutes cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/05/22/520138/-Bill-Clinton-Killed-A-Black-Man-To-Become-President#

Like I said, good thing there's a progressive in the race.

[R B Garr]

218. The death penalty has been halted because of DNA advancements that uncovered

shocking injustices.

It's not about Bill Clinton, and it's really a scam to make it about one politician from 20 years ago when the DNA advancements have been happening most recently in the last few years.

It's a good thing Bernie lives in a non-diverse state where he doesn't have to deal with real time issues like that of a large state such as New York that will naturally have more crime because of sheer population size. How safe for Bernie.

[beam me up scottie]

219. Yet Hillary is still pro-death penalty.

20 years ago when the DNA advancements have been happening most recently in the last few years.

I don't care if Ricky was guilty, he put to death a child in a man's body.


Like I said, good thing I have a choice and I choose the progressive.

[R B Garr]

226. .."Clinton helped save a mentally handicapped blck man from the electirc chair."

As a young lawyer, Clinton helped save a mentally handicapped black man from the electric chair. This is not a fact she has promoted in her years as a tough-on-crime U.S. senator or amid her quest to become the Democratic presidential candidate in 2016.

Her role lies buried in an appeal to save Henry Giles, a convicted murderer, back in 1976, when Clinton headed the legal aid clinic at the University of Arkansas. A brief filed by the Cummins Prison Project, a law school effort to defend prisoners at one of Arkansas’s most notorious prisons, played an important role in winning leniency for Giles because of his mental impairment, court documents show

But times are changing, and politicians from both parties are calling for a reexamination of a criminal justice system rife with racial disparities, including the question of which inmates live and die. With Baltimore rioting and nationwide protests around a police shooting in Ferguson, Mo., presidential candidates are likely to be pulled into the debate. The Supreme Court on Wednesday hears yet another challenge to the death penalty’s constitutionality, this one centered on a drug used by some states in lethal injections.

Interviews released this week for a book project by New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice, in which Clinton and other presidential contenders share their views on criminal justice solutions, show just how different the politics of these issues are today. “Marking a clear political shift on crime and punishment in America, these sentiments are a far cry from politicians racing to be the most punitive in the 1980s and 1990s,” the introduction reads.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/hillary-clintons-forgotten-death-penalty-shift-117441#ixzz3kBc1f9py

When you take everything out of context and then even twist that around to fit your non sequitur agendas, Johnny and Jane America will know they are being scammed by Bernie supporters, which has already been happening on social media.

It's easy to be a progressive in a quiet, tranquil little state like Vermont. People will wonder why he left New York to live in a rural setting when he could have been handling real time issues in the midst of movers and shakers like Hillary chose to do. She didn't shy away from the issues to give nice speeches in a small town.

[beam me up scottie]

227. So she only wants to kill some of the prisoners.

That's so...popular among some constituents I guess.

Like Johnny and Jane America.


But bmus still chooses the progressive.

[R B Garr]

230. LMAO. Now this is completely radichhio. Lettuce move on.

I should have known that being polite is a waste of time.

And "progressives" don't silence AA's in the Democratic party as is done here, so the "progressive" label doesn't fit, sorry. :
:bye:

[beam me up scottie]

231. Buh bye now!

[BeanMusical]

287. Lol!

Well done.

[beam me up scottie]

316. Thanks!

[Fuddnik]

271. What it's about, is just how calculating BOTH Clintons are.

Did you read the article. I remember the weeks leading up to the execution. Bill pretended to agonize over the decision. But, he had to prove how tough he was. Later came his Sister Soljuh moment at the NAACP convention. Then his triangulating welfare "reform". And tough on crime bill.

Yeah, real progressives and liberals, that bunch.

[R B Garr]

279. YEah, I remember the right wing noise machine following Clinton at funerals, and

making a BIG deal of every single gesture he had such as smiling to greet someone and then saying he was laughing at someone's death. This is just conjecture and bullshit. People saw through that kind of reporting scam.

[JDPriestly]

229. Why did Bernie go to Vermont? Many liberals decided to go to Vermont.

Vermont’s political landscape began to change in the 1960s and 1970s. City dwellers from nearby states like Massachusetts and New York began fleeing struggling metropolises like Boston and New York City. Heading north, these migrants had a choice of where to settle, and some self-sorting took place.

More conservatives tended to choose New Hampshire, attracted to its low taxes and “Live Free or Die” ethos. Vermont, where cows outnumbered people before 1963, tended to attract young, left-leaning and outdoors-loving professionals, both Mr. Nelson and Mr. Johnson said.
. . . .

Vermont’s population had been stagnant for decades, but with the influx of “new Vermonters” the state began to grow. When the migration began, Vermont’s population was below 400,000, small enough so that an influx of people could really affect the state’s politics. More than 625,000 people live in Vermont today, and residents born elsewhere are part of the state’s fabric. Vermont’s current governor, Peter Shumlin, is the first native governor in almost 40 years.

. . . .

Vermont today is among the greenest states, and green industries are a major part of the state’s economy.

More

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/01/new-vermont-is-liberal-but-old-vermont-is-still-there/

Sanders settled in Vermont in 1968, and ran unsuccessfully for Governor and U.S. Senator in the early to mid-1970s as a member of the Liberty Union Party. As an independent, Sanders was elected mayor of Burlington, Vermont's most populous city, in 1981. He was reelected to three more two-year mayoral terms before being elected to represent Vermont's at-large congressional district in the United States House of Representatives in 1990. He served as a congressman for 16 years before being elected to succeed the retiring Republican-turned-independent Jim Jeffords in the U.S. Senate in 2006. In 2012, he was reelected by a large margin, capturing almost 71% of the popular vote.

Since his election to the Senate, Sanders has emerged as a leading progressive voice on issues such as income inequality,[2] universal healthcare, parental leave, climate change,[11] LGBT rights, and campaign finance reform.[12] He rose to national prominence on the heels of his 2010 filibuster[13][14] of the proposed extension of the Bush-era tax rates for the wealthy. Sanders is also outspoken on civil rights and civil liberties, and has been particularly critical of mass surveillance policies such as the USA PATRIOT Act,[15] as well as racial discrimination in the criminal justice system. He has long been critical of U.S. foreign policy, and was an early and outspoken opponent of the Iraq War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

Bernie went to Vermont and so did many other liberals from cities like New York.

It's probably a nice place to live. Certainly quieter and less frantic than New York. Maybe housing prices were in the 1960s more reasonable in Vermont too. Certainly less crime and pollution in Vermont than in New York.

I hope I helped to answer your question. It's a good question.

[beam me up scottie]

235. Now you're lecturing people on what a True Progressive is?

I would rather live in New York and can't understand why a native New Yorker wouldn't relish the idea of being in the center of the political universe there rather than hiding out in Vermont.

Hillary relished the idea of moving to a big, diverse state like New York

I think is more understandable if you want to call yourself a true liberal/progressive.

People will wonder about that

Well that settles it!


Wonder no more, people.


R B Garr says Bernie's just a pretend progressive because he fell in love with Vermont and moved there.


WHY WOULD A TRUE PROGRESSIVE DO THAT????????


It's obvious Hillary's the Real Thing because she relished the idea of moving to New York.


Because it's so big and diverse.

[ctsnowman]

257. That poster is unbelievable.

The twisting in the wind is obvious. To bad it's OK to insult white liberals on this site.

[beam me up scottie]

319. The funny thing is that they are white liberals, or at least they claim to be.

It's only a bad thing if you're a white liberal who supports Bernie.

[R B Garr]

281. Yikes, yet another fail. If you want to work on progressive issues, you move to where

they actually are. You don't move away from them. Duh.

[AgingAmerican]

303. On what planet did you dig up that talking point?

Seriously. You come across as haplessly naive.

[R B Garr]

311. lol, coming from you?

I've never seen anything posted in context, so I'll pass. lol, thanks though.

[beam me up scottie]

317. You move to where progressive issues are if you're a progressive?

So there are no progressive issues in Vermont?



Duh indeed.

[R B Garr]

320. lol, Vermont vs. New York.

That's a tough one, isn't it...

California vs. Rhode Island.

hey, this is fun. and not al all confusing like you said. :

[beam me up scottie]

321. So New York is more progressive than Vermont because Hillary moved there?

To a mansion in a rich suburb so she work alongside the struggling minorities in her community, amirite?

Do go on.

This is fascinating.

[R B Garr]

323. You're not very good at this, and the confusion scam is old.

It's not even entertaining. If there was no difference between Vermont and New York, Bernie wouldn't have left New York 40 years ago to live a hippy life in Vermont. Obviously he knew the difference, so focus on that.

Have a great day!

:bye:

[beam me up scottie]

325. "Bernie wouldn't have left New York 40 years ago to live a hippy life in Vermont"

Someone's scam is getting old all right.

[R B Garr]

327. Oh dear, now you're confused about why Bernie moved to vermont?

It's in his "resume", lol.

[beam me up scottie]

328. Yes, please explain why he moved to Vermont.

[R B Garr]

330. Oh, dear. I just said it's in his resume.

Just the post before this. Let Bernie tell you all about it. Have a great time!

:bye:

[beam me up scottie]

335. You said I'm confused so explain it to me.

[R B Garr]

337. You want me to explain why you're confused?

[beam me up scottie]

339. You said "Oh dear, now you're confused about why Bernie moved to vermont?"

So explain it to me.

As a native Vermonter I always love hearing about my state from flatlanders.

[AgingAmerican]

298. That post alone

Tells you he has neither been to NYC or Vermont.

[beam me up scottie]

318. And thinks the definition of progressive has something to do with geographical location.

[JDPriestly]

238. I live in Los Angeles. I love small towns. I live here because we moved here to get jobs.

My heart is in the Midwest where I was born. When I go back, I cry when I leave.

Have you ever lived in the country? It's so beautiful. It's so alive. It's so green (in the Midwest and some other rural areas).

I love seeing the fields, the livestock, smelling the air, watching the birds, once in a while even an eagle.

I really don't like city life. That has nothing to do with liking or disliking people. Even if you live on a farm in the Midwest, you have a community and deal with people.

I love the diversity in Los Angeles, but the quiet and peace of Wyoming would be great too.

One problem with living in big cities is that you really have to make a pretty good salary to be able to afford a good place to live.

Bernie has said that his family didn't have a very nice place to live and that his mother always wanted to move to something better but never could. If you live in the big city, you may not have a back yard, a garden, a place for your children to play at home. If you live in Vermont, it probably isn't so expensive and difficult to rent or buy a comfortable place to live and raise a family.

There are a lot of advantages to living in rural America. I just love the smell of a cornfield in late July or August on a summer evening. There is nothing like it. Makes me homesick to think of it.

[JDPriestly]

292. I don't know whether you read his resume, but he moved to Vermont in 1968.

He was the mayor of a city (not a rural village) when he lived there.

Bill Clinton was from Arkansas. Bill and Hillary moved to New York after living in the White house. And do they live in the city? Or in the quite suburbs? I don't know the state well enough to know, but I thought they didn't actually live in the central city area.

Sorry, but for me this is an irrelevant issue.

I've lived a lot of places including several countries. I once lived in a village with seven houses, London, Paris, Los Angeles, . . . . I don't see that living in a big city is better than living in a village.

Obviously, since Bernie has been in Congress close to a quarter of a century, he has spent a lot of his time in the big city of Washington, D.C.

Maybe that qualifies him as enough of a city dweller to understand the urban perspective. I suspect it does.

[JDPriestly]

314. As I pointed out, he has been handling Washington, D.C. for many, many years. I'm sure he

will be able to handle it after he is president.

[JDPriestly]

340. Bernie has been an outsider in D.C. That's one of the things VOTERS like about him.

Bernie is smarter than the rest of them. He understands the issues and the voters better than the rest of them. He has voted and spoken out against the current and does not take bribes. If you are the one person who is not corrupt and who is right on the issues and if you are humble and ride on the same planes as other people and eat with your staff, you may not fit in socially with the conceited, corrupt, in-crowd. That's why he does not have the endorsements.

He has shown judgment that the others just don't have. He has the ability to know right from wrong, wise from stupid. Others don't.

Just look at the history of his stances on the issues. He follows the crowd when the crowd is going in the best direction for America. He votes his own way when the crowd is making a big mistake.

He is the best candidate.

That's why he is climbing in the polls.

Thanks.

[JDPriestly]

346. He quietly stood for what was right for all these years while others stole the spotlight

and spoke half-truths.

Now, he is speaking out. The American people are listening. And what they are hearing is what they feel in their hearts.

History is a story unfolding as we breathe and move. Bernie's time in history is meeting ours.

I can understand the envy of those you describe in your post. People who did not have the courage to tell the truth twenty years ago, who could not then and do not now stand up against all the lies the right wing has persuaded Americans to believe are feeling unappreciated, confused and disappointed. Maybe even bitter.

They missed their moment. They could have told the truth back then. They could have questioned those who were selling the Iraq War before it happened. They could have stood against Wall Street greed and trade that was swallowing American's jobs. They could have funded education and audited the Fed and the military budget.

If they were just preparing a way and sacrificing their integrity to tell their half-truths, to skirt the issues, to sign bills like the repeal of Glass-Steagall, the "reform" of welfare, the sentencing acts, the facilitation of the privatization of prisons, the sale of war materials to local police forces, the War in Iraq, NAFTA, free trade with China, the NSA's invasion of our privacy and on and on, then they made huge mistakes.

What they were preparing was the way for Citizens United, for students saddled with the heavy burden of debt at the time that they should be able to start families, buy homes and furnish households, of banks that cheat and steal and pay the penalties with other people's money, of outsourced and exported jobs, of our markets inundated with cheap goods made by near slave labor while our children cannot find work . . . . I could go on. Detail after detail. Mistake after mistake. And all because of the corruption of campaign financing and the revolving door between government and wealthy corporations.

Lie after lie. Misleading promise after misleading promise. And now those who told the lies and made the misleading promises want us to think that they did it all in order to prepare the way foe someone who was intentionally and coyly hiding himself in Vermont.

That doggie won't bark. It's such an obvious fantasy, so clearly made up after the fact that no one is going to believe it.

Bernie has been in Congress since 1992. He voted his conscience over and over and again and again even when it was unpopular to do so. He was quietly and repeatedly re-elected by the people who know him and knew him the best -- the people of Vermont. He was not in the national headlines because the media and the top dogs in the Democratic Party ignored him.

Their mistake, not his.

Bernie's time has come. Whether he wins or not -- and judging from the enthusiasm of the crowds he draws and the determination of the volunteers he attracts, I think there is as good a chance that he will as there is that anyone else will, he is lifting the veils from a lot of eyes. He is putting the lies where they belong -- in the trash can of history.

Bernie speaks of a political revolution.

When we look at revolutions of the past, and the violent ones are the best known but the non-violent ones are more numerous, the conditions that forced the change we call revolutions existed well before the first tremors of that change were noticed or measured.

In my view, social change, economic change, the spread of new ideas. not crazy people or leaders, bring on the kind of abrupt change we call revolution.

A new invention -- electricity, the cannon, the iron horse, the airplane, television for example -- so changes society that political change must follow.

Computers, the internet, the automation of the workplace, all of that massive change that has occurred in the past 30 years links us, weaves us together in ways that we never thought possible. They have changed the social reality in which we live. And Bernie's ideas respond to and fit with this new reality.

Individuals, leaders, revolutionaries we call them, are credited with spawning the drastic changes that they come to represent. But really that is just the way that we, as we usually do, spin myths around the changes in our lives in in the lives of our ancestors. It is easier to for that part of us that is primitive and ill informed to credit bears or eagles with miraculous powers than to analyze and figure out nature and science.

The internet has changed everything. We can find out opinions, facts, learn history, study science. It's all accessible to us now. We just have to ask a question and we get a variety of answers to choose from. That changed reality calls for a changed social organization and a changed politics. And here is Bernie who represents the very democratic change that works in this new reality.

I don't think that voters will accept the usual excuses that the apologists for the corporate bosses give once Bernie has had his say. The bosses don't know as much more about the world than we can find out as they used to. We are headed toward more democracy, not less.

Today, a Jeb Bush cannot say that he will take care of women when we can press a few buttons on our computers and study his history, the ideas he sponsored, the budgets he signed, the vetoes he cast. Politicians cannot hide their pasts from us any more.

It's Bernie's time.

Feel the Bern because that is what history is feeling.

[MisterP]

347. because if there's anyone who's had the deck stacked in his favor, it's Sanders

[Fawke Em]

305. The Obamas are moving from Chicago via the White House to Asheville, NC

While Asheville is a city, it's certainly not a New York or a Los Angeles. In fact, it's a rather smallish berg surrounded by countryside.

I guess the Obamas didn't understand that moving to the country wouldn't "resonate" with progressives.



That really is foolish.

BTW, I live in Knoxville, Asheville's sister city. I look forward to running into the Obamas in the Smokies.

[R B Garr]

312. lol, yet none of this has to do with what I posted.

Obama came from Chicago where he worked as a community organizer in a big city.

Yes, there are small cities everywhere. And people move, Yes, indeed,

[beam me up scottie]

322. "Moving to rural settings is a luxury fro most people"

Unlike moving to an 11 million dollar home in Westchester.

[R B Garr]

324. Obviously Bernie knew the difference between vermont and New York because

he moved there 40 years ago. Sorry you're having trouble.

[beam me up scottie]

326. Because it was less progressive, yes you've repeatedly tried to establish that "fact".

But are failing epically.

Tell me more.

[R B Garr]

329. Look at how you change the subject

I've seen this confusion scam run before. Hilarious stuff!

[beam me up scottie]

332. The subject is why I chose the progressive in the race.

This is all about making things personal.

You're right, that is Hillaryous.

[R B Garr]

333. No, you were "confused" about Vermont vs. New York

I don't care who you choose, so that wasn't the "subject"

You're not very good at this. :bye:

[beam me up scottie]

334. I have family in both places and you've never lived in either and *I'm* the one who's confused?

Someone's not very good at this at all.

[R B Garr]

336. Now you're back to copying me. You did this last night, too.

Again, I'm flattered that you are copying me in your responses and that you have this time to devote to me. How sweet!

:bye:

[beam me up scottie]

338. I'm totes serious!

I have family in New York city and am from Vermont, I would love to hear your prospective as a flatlander.

[Bonobo]

341. Hillary certainly moved to NY to get a job!

*cough carpetbagger *cough cough

She is the precise definition.

"a political candidate who runs for office in a place where he or she has lived only for a short time"

[R B Garr]

344. That would make Bernie a carpet bagger, as well.

He moved from New York to Vermont. None of which was the point, and you are actually making my point more for me, so thanks.

[mariawr]

284. RbGArr , no people won't wonder about that. They will hear his message

And it will resonate.....like it is doing right now.

[R B Garr]

285. well, lol. I think it's fantastic that you don't think his career path will be

evaluated by the GOP. You enjoy yourself!

[beam me up scottie]

234. *REC POST*

That "question" has been asked and answered but some folks still love to claim Bernie moved away from poc instead of to a state he fell in love with.

[MoveIt]

211. you are making shit up

that's not a personal attack, its "observation"

[eridani]

221. He's selling "self-interest" as opposed to bankster interest, to everyone n/t

[beam me up scottie]

223. You won't get anywhere with that one.

They'll just keep trying to bait you into losing your temper until you get a hidden post.

[MrMickeysMom]

254. Then, you do not get out much...

… nor do you understand what Bernie Sanders stands for. Maybe you didn't see the OP's video? Is your audio not functioning?

What he is talking about (which escaped your ears and eyes) connects with everyone of us.

Maybe you should talk to more people outside the white republican area you live in.

[dflprincess]

178. He brought a crowd of party hacks to their feet.

Who did he insult? (Besides Debbie and her minions, of course).

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

122. "conciliatory" to which Democrats?

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The ones who are crooked? The ones who are corrupt? The ones that cater to the corporations?

Do tell.

[artislife]

135. You are one of my faves!

!!!

[ctsnowman]

259. Exactly!

[Beartracks]

140. "one of the hurdles he has to jump" sounds like the kind of thing some people will keep saying...

... even long after he's jumped it.


===========================

[seabeyond]

141. he went his own way as an independent. gotta respect that. he had his reasons. he has been able

to make it work for him.

there are upsides and downsides to decisions we make

is this untrue? a bad thing? reality?

[daleanime]

66. +1

[Autumn]

134. Anybody can call themselves a democrat

it doesn't mean they are a Democrat.

[ctsnowman]

260. Charlie Crist

Comes to mind

[Autumn]

261. Yep, Joe Lieberman. Zell nuctcase Miller.

[ctsnowman]

264. I was going

to mention Lieberman but we had quite a ruckus in CT in the party over that one and it's too painful.

Peace.

[Nay]

245. He was allowed to run as a Democrat because they were afraid he might run as

an independent and siphon votes from Hilary in the general election. They expected him to be just one of the losers in the Dem primary. They never in a million years expected him to catch fire; after all, Hilary had all the money, name recognition, endorsements, etc. They let him run as a way to neutralize him, and it has backfired. This is not to say Hilary can't beat him. But he's a thousand times stronger than they ever expected him to be.

In his philosophy and approach, he's more Democratic than the democrats. The regular party hacks are so used to being sorta third way/semi-conservative, etc., that they have had no sense of what a real democrat sounds or looks like. But a lot of us out here want a REAL democrat.

[Fawke Em]

306. I hadn't thought about this, but I believe you've hit the nail on the head.

They really were attempting to placate him not realizing his message is just what a lot of Democrats really, really want to hear.

[CentralMass]

308. + 1 million

[Live and Learn]

85. Yeah, remember the good old days when we had true Dems like Lieberman running?

The he isn't a Democrat meme is running quite thin since Bernie has supported Democratic ideals stronger than any other Democratic candidate ever has.

[zeemike]

123. And that is a chilling thing to me.

That we are being told that the only definition of a Democrat is the D behind their name...and that standing for traditional democratic principles and ideas makes no difference at all.

That is cultish behavior IMO and I think it makes us more like the GOP than I care to think about.

[Fawke Em]

129. I'm also from a state that requires no

party affiliation to vote. Being loyal to "The Party" confounds me.

If you vote Democratic and you support the working and middle classes, women, PoC, LGBT and equality, then you're a Democrat.

[Live and Learn]

136. Exactly, and if Republicans actually began supporting those kind of issues,

I'd be a Republican, (Not that that is likely.) It is not the party. It is the issues.

[ozone_man]

170. And a reason to doubt Gore's decision making.

Not that Obama choosing Biden is that much better, but Lieberman? A Dino to his roots.

[Live and Learn]

212. Betting it had more to do with the DNC than Gore. nt

[Fawke Em]

307. I think so, too. eom

[kacekwl]

248. How's this for conciliatory,

If he ran as other than a democratic your "winning" democrat party would lose big to the crazy party , again.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Please. He's more of a Democrat

than ANY Third Way DLCER. He's what the Democratic Party use to be until the rotten DLC destroyed it.

He has also ALWAYS, ALWAYS caucused with the Democrats in Congress.

[a2liberal]

33. He's even campaigned and fundraised for the party

Of course the "he's not a Democrat" crowd conveniently forgets that

[eridani]

222. Ye--just got a solicitation from DSCC with the Sanders byline

I'll donate to the higher-ups again when they go for Dean's 50 state strategy.

[hifiguy]

38. A thousand times this.

He's worth an infinity of DINO Turd Way types.

[RoccoR5955]

15. Will you get over it

When he is nominated the Party candidate for President, or will you still go on promoting Clinton?

[fbc]

21. Bernie is what democrats SHOULD be

And he is what democrats will be.

Sorry DINOs, we're taking over:

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[Fast Walker 52]

313. that poll trend is powerful and awesome

Go Bernie!

[nichomachus]

22. I can't get past the fact that Hillary just poses as a Democrat

But is a corporatist at heart using the party to push her pro-corporate, neoliberal, warmongering agenda.

[peacebird]

35. Just like Bubba. And I loved the Big Dog. I trusted him. Nafta & glass steagal repeal happened.

And most favorable nation status for china.

Clearly I was wrong to trust Bill Clinton.

[hifiguy]

39. We liberals, a/k/a actual Democrats, got chumped, snookered, had, and pantsed

in the middle of the schoolyard by both Clinton and Obama.

No more.

[haikugal]

58. Yep.....

[zentrum]

89. ^^This^^

[MuseRider]

126. That is perhaps the best

explanation of what happened I have ever seen.

[MoveIt]

214. exactly

And fellow "democrats" on this website have money riding on the fact that we will be too stupid to see it happening again.

[bvar22]

60. Bill Clinton is/was a World Class Front Man (Hustler).

There is no shame being conned by him back then.
But today, everybody should know better.


Bill was so good that he could reach in your pocket, steal your wallet, you would KNOW it,
and you would Thank him. (and we did!)

[hifiguy]

91. Agreed. Ol' Bill was as slick as goose shit on a doorknob.

He could sell snow to the Eskimos, then go back next year and sell them the goddam freezers to keep it in. That is the mark of a truly superb con man, which he was and is.

[JDPriestly]

63. To say nothing of a draconian reform of justice, the welfare "reform," the Telecommunications

Act, and a bunch of other blunders.

Bill Clinton -- one Clinton was enough for me. Never again.

And I walked my precinct with my children to get him elected. No way. Not for another Clinton.

NAFTA has hurt not just us but have you seen the mess in Mexico. We don't hear about it because it is just shockingly shameful. It's frightening what is going on there.

Thank you to NAFTA.

[hifiguy]

96. So much truth in such a concise post.

[ozone_man]

172. Yes you were!

And me too!

[Live and Learn]

137. +1 nt

[Lorien]

206. She's been posing for a long time

the DLC has always been owned and beholden to corporate right wing interests. That was their goal; to destroy the party from the inside out. We can't allow them to succeed!

[BuelahWitch]

24. And if he ran as an Independent

You would be crying that he will take votes from the Democrats (like Nader did). As someone said upthread, his ideas are more traditionally Democratic than the DLCers. Ideas matter more than labels.

[still_one]

142. Bernie won't run as an independent, he made it very clear when he announced. He will not give the

republicans that kind of victory

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

32. He doesn't have a party. He's an independent, WHICH IS NOT A PARTY.

If he had formed a third party or joined one, which he promised not to do, who do think he'd have taken the most votes away from? Hint: It wouldn't be the GOP.

[mak3cats]

90. Thank you! People don't seem to get that. I say he's a "small i independent" (eom)

[Buns_of_Fire]

240. The fact that there IS an "American Independent Party" tends to add to the confusion.

...California voters are sick to the teeth of partisan wrangling between Democrats and Republicans. They want to vote, but not to reward the major parties’ bad behavior by belonging to either one.

So they see American Independent Party on the voter registration form. Alphabetically, it’s the first choice listed, and, as California Voter Foundation President Kim Alexander told me, it’s the only place the word “independent” appears on the form.

So voters may think, “Yeah, independent, that’s me,” and check the AIP box.

More than one public figure has done it. In 2008, when L.A. City Council member Bernard C. Parks, the African American former police chief, ran for county supervisor, his opponent, Mark Ridley-Thomas, pointed out that Parks had once belonged to the AIP. Parks said he had just been trying to register as an independent.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-voter-registration-california-american-independent-party-20140403-story.html

When given the option, I've always chosen "NPA" (No Party Affiliation), or whatever their classification is. I don't want any politician to think they're entitled to my vote just because I show up on the "D" side of the ledger.

Yes, I admit it. I'm one of those horrid "Left-Leaning Independents" who refuse to show the proper subservience to THE PARTY or have a "D" tattooed on my butt (or wherever such things get tattooed these days).

[rhett o rick]

34. And the label means more than principles. Wow. And some wonder why

this country is so messed up.

[emsimon33]

114. +1

[Nay]

247. Sad, isn't it? Several people in this thread can't tell the diff between a label and

a philosophy. They are like the Republicans who can't tell the difference between the flag and actual patriotism.

[rhett o rick]

272. Good comparison. Ask them what they stand for and their answer is "Democrats".

It is so much easier to blindly follow all or any Democrats than actually be discerning. These are the same people that buy into corporate advertisements and propaganda.

[Dont call me Shirley]

37. Bernie is an FDR Democrat.

[hifiguy]

42. A fact that is as obvious as a grizzly bear in a phone booth

to anyone with ten brain synapses to rub together. But HRH is so "beyond" that silly shit about looking out for working people and distrusting banksters and the MIC.

[ancianita]

102. Like "I love you," we can't say the obvious enough. This party wing needs high visibility in the US.

[dpatbrown]

84. That's exactly how I feel.

And to be compared to FDR is well deserved, and a compliment.

[rurallib]

59. Jesus Christ was never a christian either

yet most christians take him as their original leader

[emsimon33]

112. OK, you win the argument

And Buddha wasn't a Buddhists.

[Live and Learn]

213. +1 Actually, that is an excellent argument. nt

[bullwinkle428]

251. Ba-BAM!!!! Mike drop!!!

[draa]

70. So that's the new talking point now?

At least people have moved on from the drivel they usually spew about him.

I would also argue he's more of a Democrat than 90% of the corporate protectors in congress who claim the Democrat label right now. He's what a Democrat should be.

[panader0]

161. "He's what a Democrat should be."

I was going to post that sentiment, but reading through the replies, I saw that you did it for me.
Welcome to DU.

[bigwillq]

72. Then don't vote for him.

Simple as that.

But it's too bad that it seems like you're hung up on labels.

If you don't like a candidate, fine. But it seems silly to be hung up on what letter is after his name.

[Android3.14]

87. I feel the same way about Hilary Clinton

The truth is that Bernie is a Democrat in reality and independent on paper, whereas Hillary is a Democrat on paper, but most definitely not independent in real life.

She owes her allegiance to the people who paid for access.

I just can't get past that.

[emsimon33]

109. Welcome to the Third Way "Democratic" Party

Money is free speech. Corporations are people. Profits trump people.

The Clintons left the White House penniless and now are worth more than $200 million. I don't think that it is Bernie who is "using" the Party to gain office. I think it is others using the Party to get wealthy and powerful.

[emsimon33]

105. A rose by any other name...

Bernie is the only candidate that has an unwavering record of supporting the very principles that are the bedrock of the Democratic Party. It is the Third Way, Neoliberal Democrats who should go run under the banner of a third party.

Bernie has always caucused with the Democrats,.

Do we support the person that shares our bedrock values or do we support people who raise their fingers to check which way the wind is blowing, people who support corporation who put obscene profits before people, people who have narrowed the vision of the Democratic party to an issue here and an issue there and then do not even hold to those promises when they get elected (I am talking about you, GMO, TPP, drone sending, single payer will be on the table, etc., etc., etc. hopey, changey Obama.)

I wear my Bernie 2016 button in public and when in conversation a person notes his party affiliation, I ask them where they stand on TPP, one money in politics, on each of Bernie's major position. When they agree with Bernie's positions, I point out that then they, too, must be independents because too many politicians who call themselves Democrats (Third Way Democrats, Moderate Democrats, Democrats who are economically conservative but socially liberal, etc.) have deserted the principles that underlie the Democratic Party.

This is a revolution to reclaim our Party and its principles.

Bernie is an FDR Democrat not some diluted form, pandering for corporate money and some ephemeral independent voter who is a moderate.

Are you going to join the revolution or are you going to support the shell of a labels?

[Cleita]

176. ^^^THIS^^^

A thousand recs if I could.

[MrMickeysMom]

255. ^^ Well SAID! ^^

[randys1]

107. That really should not matter when you consider how fantastic his positions are, dont you agree?

Surely we dont believe the party is more important than ACTUAL change.

I mean the kind of change that could be beyond our wildest imagination at this point in time.

I love much of what Obama accomplished and would love much of what Hillary would accomplish if President.

But Bernie represents change when it comes to Wall Street having way way way too much influence in our system.

[Bluenorthwest]

117. He's one of the founders and was the first elected Chairman of what is now the largest Democratic

caucus within the US Congress, the Progressive Caucus. He has done a great deal of work for and with this Party for his entire Congressional career. He's been in Congress since 1992, when Chafee, Webb and Liz Warren were all freaking Republicans. Republicans.

[beam me up scottie]

127. ^^^THIS^^^

[rhett o rick]

139. Well said, but I doubt it will sink in. nm

[ozone_man]

173. Eventually, maybe?

Yes, when HRC was a Goldwater girl, Bernie was marching with MLK.

[passiveporcupine]

120. OFFS

I don't care if you call him a Sanderscrat.

He does not affiliate himself with the democratic party because we have too many issues he disagrees with. And guess what? Many registered progressive democrats disagree with those issues as well. He represents progressive dems. Not third wayers and moderates, who have all moved so far right they really aren't dems any more any way. so yeah, go ahead an bypass the one man who is against all that is wrong in this country, and vote for your republican lite candidate. See how much good that does for the country.

I am a registered democrat and vote democrat, because I am fighting against anything republican. But...the dem party has been leaving me for a long time and I'm starting to think if there was a new party called Democratic Socialist party, I'd be happy to switch (if I thought it had a chance of competing with the two major parties). It's where the progressive dems are...they are not blue dogs...they are not in love with capitalism. They don't support the oligarchy.

Your excuse to not support him is just that. An excuse to not have to give up your vote for Hillary, who you always knew you were going to support anyway. Even if Bernie joined the democratic party, you'd find an excuse.

[haikugal]

145. .

[Nay]

249. Thank you. The "he's not a Dem" shit is getting on my last nerve. It's

juvenile, transparent, and beyond irritating.

[raindaddy]

149. Pre Ronald Reagan and before the GOP moved to the right of their moderates...

the Clinton's would've been moderate Republicans...

I don't think Hillary would do very well if she ran as a Republican. Do you?

Maybe Bernie will shift the Democratic party back to the FDR left where it belongs and the Wasserman Schultz's, the Rahm Emanuel's and Hillary Rodham Clinton's of the world can start their own party...

[Dragonfli]

348. I am hoping the Birchers that took over the Republican party split off leaving the shell

For the actual Republicans to migrate back to, and away from ours.

The so called Centrists are really just what we used to call Republicans anyway (as you pointed out) and could go back to their natural home, what would be left in the Democratic party would be what used to be known as Democrats but now referred to as "Fringe left" (Ironically in a country that has no true left party since the cold war persecuted them out of existence) then us Democrats could have our party back.

Just a dream of mine, to be honest, however, if the Birchers do split off and form their own little fascist party, I would like the left back again to balance against them, the true far left, the old American reds of the 20's and 30's. a Socialist party (Not to be confused with Democratic Socialism as that is not the same, it preserves Capitalism while incorporating Socialism in just some key areas that Government really should take the profit motive out of anyway). They had a positive influence on the middle that was the Democratic party of FDR and he even adopted many of their best ideas and incorporated them into the Democratic system during the New Deal era.

The fascists have been left alone to influence the center since the cold war eliminated the left, Perhaps thinkers like Richard Wolff could inspire a true left Socialist party to counter them.

Sorry for the slightly off topic ramble, it's just a pet peeve of mine that our party has been infused with moderate Republicans that have taken over the leadership, mostly because the fascist bircher types took over their party and left them dispossessed.

Being a two party system by design, the Fascists and Socialist would likely be rarely elected. The worst thing this country ever did was destroy the left while the Fascists remained intact to infiltrate and take over the Rs which were once a sane party with ideas very similar if not exactly the same as the Third Way, These third Way Republicans could be allies across the aisle with true Democrats (falsely labeled fringe leftists) on some social issues of agreement while giving the Third way their proper home on the center right While we get back ours on the center left (which Bernie Sanders and FDR actually are, merely center left, but a good fit for our country).

Mixed economies such as seen in Scandinavia work for the overall population very well, as we began to learn for ourselves with the New Deal and Great Society policies, we need that again, and if we regain a true left again in this country, perhaps we could improve on it some more after those policies are restored with some more suggestions from their camp as when FDR borrowed some of their Ideas.

I know a few actual Socialists and Communists that post here and I like them and many of their Ideas, but I disagree with them in that I think a mixed economy would work better than an end to Capitalism at least until our Society and the overall globe evolves more, but I do agree with them that it is nearly impossible to keep capitalism in check before it destroys everything which it always will if left unchecked, it must be chained well with things like strict regulation and progressive taxation if one would contain the beast, but one must never relax the leash or the beast will break free and break everything, something that is happening right now leaving us in a very precarious position.

Very ill today and wanted to get some thoughts out and your post was along the lines of those thoughts, thank you for your patience as I know I am not at 100% today and my thoughts are not as well ordered or expressed as they should be.

[raindaddy]

349. Thanks for your thoughtful response!

Debating issues from a conservative and liberal viewpoint was positive and sometimes even enlightening... What we're seeing now are essentially lobbyists trying to create the illusion that they represent their constituents by lying and fear mongering. But there really isn't much debate on real issue..

I like you idea, what's left of the Republicans should start their own fascist party, the third way dems could take over the GOP and the Democrats could become the old FDR populist party...

Get well Dragonfli!

[bjobotts]

153. He has always caucused with the dems

He is as much a dem as any dem can claim to be but prefers to be his own man waiting for the rest of the dems to catch up to what dems 'claim' to be about.

[bjobotts]

154. There are always those who nit pic to demean the people's candidate

[R B Garr]

165. Exactly right! He's just an opportunist. who knows he's been too unconventional to be

a legitimate candidate, so he wants the little people to pay his way and be thrilled about it.

Note that half the responses you're getting insist he's a Democrat, and the other half say no, he's an Independent. His own fans can't even figure out what he is -- and they hate the DNC -- unless he's there getting applause. Then it's all okay.

But you're right, he's an opportunist. He could have run for President as a socialist/independent years ago and persuaded people how awesome it is, or he could have declared himself a Democrat, but he did neither.

[sabrina 1]

171. He is the quintessential Democrat. Should be the leader of our party, he epitomizes what a Dem

Politician should be.

Which is why so many people are returning to the Dem Party, having left it because it no longer represented them.

A letter doesn't make a Democrat. Issues, integrity, honesty, working for the PEOPLE, for Labor, the elderly, the poor, children, minorities and refusing to go along with extremist Republicans on their extremist policies no matter how unpopular it may have been at the time. Always willing to stand up and name names, to take on the likes of Greenspan and talk to him the way ALL Dems should have done a long time ago.

THIS is what a Democrat is. But there are so few thanks to the money that is buying our politicians. Bernie is not for sale, nor should ANY Democrat be.

[pocoloco]

174. LO fucking L

He ain't for sure!!

He is what Democrats ought to be!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

175. Stand behind the barrier then... and watch the parade.

[Mnemosyne]

185. Sorry, but it's 'past'. nt

[mopinko]

199. would you like to see his birth certificate, or what?

[Indepatriot]

203. You should be thankful he's running as a Democrat for a whole bunch of reasons...

Here's 3 BIG ones;
1- if he ran Independent he'd siphon off a whole bunch of progressive and independent voters who normally vote Democratic. This would virtually assure a Clown Car Coronation.

2- Hillary ( and about 75%) of the D's have moved so far to the right, into Wall Street's pocket, that they stand for very little of what the Democratic Party built it's foundation on.

3-Hillary could well lose to a GOP candidate. Her unfavorables are sky high. She's shown precious few retail political skills ala Bubba and Barack. She has a TON of baggage after 30 years of very public life. When the Kochs start airing the CBS report of HRC lying about Bosnian Sniper Fire in Tuzla Independent, and a whole lot of Democratic voters will be turned off in a BIG way. Have you seen that footage? Devastating in an election.

Mr. Sanders is the only one standing between the GOP and the White House. You should be grateful he's doing so well.

[GoneFishin]

242. Yeah, the letter after his name is what keeps me up at night.

[Nay]

250. I know. It makes me tear my fucking hair out. Some people on here are as

badly wired as the nutcase tea partiers.

[CentralMass]

304. Well the party sure isnt offering him any assistence. He is the best Democrat that i've seen in

A long while.

[underpants]

4. +++

[appalachiablue]

7. K & R. Berning Hot Today! Go Bernie!

The corporate graving train is ending.

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. As usual,

He BERNED the house down! Another great speech and delivered to the Establishment Third Way - to their face. Loved it!

Go Bernie!

[Cal33]

14. I hope some of them will change and become real Democrats -- maybe more than just a few?

[Zorra]

11. Bernie is by far the best Democratic candidate we've had since Bobby Kennedy. nt

[Cal33]

16. Yesss, Indeed!!

[glinda]

20. He is going to win.

[RoccoR5955]

17. I'll second that

For sure, the best since Bobby! And we need him NOW!

[Autumn]

18. I agree

[Snotcicles]

23. I have to agree, Bobby Kennedy ended up being one of the best Democrats ever. Teddy wasn't

to shabby either.

[hifiguy]

44. Second.

[dpatbrown]

99. Bobby Kennedy's death,

was difficult for many of us. I was as excited about him, as I am about Senator Sanders. Losing him changed history.

[MuseRider]

132. That was a real bad time

for a lot of us. I was certainly not a voter yet but I will never forget watching him, listening and feeling like there was a good, honest person who wanted everyone to get a shake.

[RoccoR5955]

19. #FeeltheBern

It's only gonna get hotter and hotter. Once people find out about Bernie, they shall nominate him. Once nominated, he shall be our 45th President!

[WillyT]

25. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[Snotcicles]

26. Well we are about to find out who is really for the people, and who are for themselves. nt

[CharlotteVale]

27. K&R

[MerryBlooms]

28. recrecrec & kix

Beaut!!

[cantbeserious]

30. Why Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[jalan48]

31. Bernie gives us someone to vote for, rather than voting against the other side's candidate.

[hifiguy]

45. Doesn't that feel GOOD?

[jalan48]

48. Yes it does! A positive approach to politics for a change.

[arcane1]

53. Yes! Too often my vote feels like it was extorted out of me.

"Yes, our corporate candidate sucks, but if you don't vote for them, Republicans win!!" seems to be the main motivation sometimes.

[hifiguy]

56. I actually felt good about voting for Obama in '08

And then, well before he was sworn in, he appointed Clinton and Geithner. A harder slap in the face I have never received from anyone I voted for, and I cast my first presidential vote for Jimmy Carter. I knew at that moment we had been royally and completely chumped.

[LittleGirl]

210. Same here!

First: Carter and then I left politics for many years only to get chumped by Obama's appointees.

[kenfrequed]

36. This should have an effect.

I can't imagine some people not wondering whether they should be giving Bernie their support now.

[madwivoter]

40. Hell to the yeah!

Fantastic speech! Thank you for posting!

[Babel_17]

41. Please remember to give it a thumbs up at youtube!

I got the count up to 48.

Anyone else?

[navarth]

69. make that 49.

and I'm sure JMS would agree.

[Babel_17]

78. Hehehe, looking forward to hear from him! :) nt

[navarth]

93. That would be so awesome

I'm sure you know he's a huge liberal. I like to think it comes out in his writing.

Damn I miss that show. Such fun.

[Babel_17]

108. We had a thread here where the lady who runs his forum posted

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024905017

Her name is Jan. This is the JMS forum she runs. http://jmsnews.com/forums/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4907794

She registered and made her only post so as to confirm the opinion of JMS.

THE RULES OF THE NEW ARISTOCRACY
You live in a Company Town; we pay you to work for us, while making sure that we own all the stores in town that sell our goods, the doctors offices where you go in town, the restaurants where you eat, and that we charge you just enough to make sure that at the end of the week you don’t have any leftover money to squirrel away, so you can never leave the company town, can never get ahead, and can never risk criticizing the company town. You work for us. We own the town where you live. We own you.

If one of you takes a hundred dollar bill from the cash register, you will go to jail. If we take billions out of the savings of ordinary people then crash the economy, costing thousands of jobs, not one of us will ever be prosecuted. Because the New Aristocracy is above such things. So we’ll just keep on doing it. Enjoy the ride.

Your local police belong to us now. We have militarized them into soldiers who treat you like terrorists. If you speak against us, we will ensure that you are tear gassed and beaten and handcuffed and caged into “free speech zones” designed to make you forget that the whole country was supposed to be a free speech zone. But now you have free speech only when and where we say you can have it. Meanwhile, we can say and do pretty much anything we want, to you or anyone else, and get away with it.

[navarth]

110. The Great Maker speaks!

And I listen.

Thanks my friend

[emsimon33]

121. Thank you for the reminder @ 129

[Sophiegirl]

43. Thank you

For posting the video. I practically had tears in my eyes by the end.

[Geronimoe]

46. The Bern is on fire

I gave him a standing ovation on everyone of is points.

Bernie is the real deal. This time, and it is a rare time, we have a candidate with real principals, and has walked his talk for decades.

[Maedhros]

47. This seems appropriate:

[padfun]

49. Bernie is a smart man.

And very astute. He tells it like it is and that is because he see's it like it is.

[Sunlei]

50. Very good speech! He's right,voter turnout is embarrassingly low.

I don't know how that apathetic attitude can be changed.

[99th_Monkey]

51. WTF? "ALERT!! Your arrest is being recorded online. CLICK HERE to see it now!"

I just finished watching this awesome video, on DU (not at youtube) and got this flashing
on my screen at the very end of the video.

Did this happen to anyone else? Is it a virus or what? Anyone know?

[ram2008]

52. It's an advertisement

See in the bottom right corner of the ad it says Ad's by Google .

Get an adblocker!

[99th_Monkey]

62. Thanks. I think that ad is bizarre 6 creepy. nt

[Babel_17]

55. Youtube videos can have embedded advertisements. That's an ad.

I use Adblock Plus so ...

[99th_Monkey]

64. Thanksj... I'll look into Adblocker Plus. -nt-

[short circuit]

57. Praise the Lawd for Adblock Plus

Don't see any ads, nor do I care to.

[Warren DeMontague]

73. you're not a medical marijuana patient, are you?

Maybe it's a message from Debbie Wasserman-Schultz!

[99th_Monkey]

86. LOL - I am actually.

That must be it.

Thanks for helping solve the mystery here.

[Warren DeMontague]

98. She's just trying to keep you safe, citizen.

[ctsnowman]

263. lol Love it.

[Live and Learn]

88. Just a ridiculous advertsiement. Who the heck would want to view their record online anyway? nt

[colsohlibgal]

54. Make The MSM Acknowledge The Bern!

Hopefully, bit by bit, his non third Way way will convert current supporters of Lady Third Way HRC.

If he can't quite pull it off then next best would be making Hillary move hard left to beat him.

Of course both Bill Clinton and Obama talked quite progressive running for President then went Third Way pretty quickly, Obama moving the quickest.

So go Bernie, pull it off!

[stillwaiting]

67. Kick and Wreck the Neo-Liberal Agenda. nt

[emsimon33]

68. Thank you for posting this.

[navarth]

75. Bernie rings true at every turn. He speaks for me. nt

[Owl]

76. Love it! Thx for posting.

[turbinetree]

80. Thankyou.............................+ the thousands that have ................

shown up for the rallies to show there support and the crucial town hall meetings......................



Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[zentrum]

82. Zowie. Thanks!

[zentrum]

94. Like it on Youtube

[dorkzilla]

97. The mention of Wellstone brought tears to my eyes

Thanks for remembering him Bernie.

Thanks for the link ram2008!

[Puzzledtraveller]

101. K&R

[Fawke Em]

125. What a barn burn... erm...Berner!

His enunciation doesn't rise and fall like a Baptist minister, but his proclamations soar like the highest eagle.

I read that he shook the house, but didn't know for sure until I heard him.

Thanks for the link so that those of us stuck in meetings all afternoon could enjoy it later.

[MoveIt]

130. K&R

[nichomachus]

131. What was Hillary's speech like, or

Wouldn't they pay the $200,000?

[Scuba]

133. Funny how the people who have a problem with Bernie not being a Democrat ...

... had no problem with Charlie Christ.

[TheKentuckian]

138. No problem? Nah, they luuurved some Crist.

[still_one]

143. I have no problem with either, because in both cases, by running as a Democrat, they are Democrats

period.

[BlueStateLib]

159. Proud and honored to join the Democratic Party

Mr. Crist sent out a message that said, “Proud and honored to join the Democratic Party in the home of President @BarackObama!”

[Uncle Joe]

146. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, ram2008.

[ChiciB1]

147. Just Have To Than k You For Posting This!

I can't post much right now, something happened to my knee and it's getting bigger and bigger. Gotta ice it, I guess.

It sickens me that THEY don't seem to UNDERSTAND "we the people" really, really want BERNIE!

Gotta get rid of DWS, can't stand her!

[Autumn]

148. We must become the country in the world which invests in jobs and education, not in jails

and incarceration.

[Android3.14]

152. That is the leader we deserve

Can we have him, please?

[ozone_man]

168. At his best, as always.

Do you feel the Bern yet?

[George II]

169. I watched the speech live, he got more than "polite" applause most of the times they clapped....

...but if you thought that speech was BRILLIANT, you should watch Clinton's speech for an example of BRILLIANT.

[Genghis Khan]

179. It was prepared.d

Bernie's from the fuckin' heart.

Don't you get it yet? You'll get it soon, if not by the convention where Bernie will be officially confirmed the Democratic nominee after hundreds of "dedicated" Clinton superdelegates drops her like a hot potato.

[JDPriestly]

236. Don't tell me that Hillary READ her speech again!

Can't she just talk extemporaneously from notes?

What's with her reading all the time?

Why does she do that?

Obama was more subtle about it.

Bernie doesn't need to read his speeches although I noticed that this speech was masterfully organized. I think he does speeches like my dad did: Just a word to get the topics in order.

I don't know why Hillary can't do that.

It makes me wonder whether she did debate in high school and college. Does anyone know? Because a politician needs to be able to speak well without reading the speech.

Honestly! I don't think she is much of a candidate.

Did she read her speeches when she was getting the big bucks for giving them?

What's with this reading speeches business?

Does Trump read his speeches too?

She needs to stop doing that.

[grasswire]

180. give it a rest

you aren't changing any minds here.

[George II]

187. Not trying to change minds, just presenting what really happened.

[retrowire]

192. facepalm* n/t

[Armstead]

194. I tried to watch her speech, I really did -- but got so bored couldn't finish it

[JDPriestly]

237. Was she reading it? Because if you are reading your speech, you are doing two things at once

and the speech gets the bad end of it.

My dad used to just make notes and speak from those. The sentences come from the heart. The topics are all that are needed.

She probably has speechwriters. That is for me a big problem with Hillary.

A good candidate can speak extemporaneously and well.

I have serious doubts about her ability to win in the general election. That she reads her speeches is one of the problems.

[Jamaal510]

177. Compulsory voting

(along with making voting as convenient and accessible for everyone as possible) is probably the only sure-fire way to fix the low turnout that he mentioned. I think until we have something like that, there will still be plenty of people who refuse to vote no matter how many fiery speeches a candidate gives or how many good things s/he promises. Many of the things that Bernie talks about are what most other D's have been talking about for years, and the 2 parties are so far apart these days that there is no reason to not vote or for people to get all cynical and say they're the same, yet here we still are with a turnout problem (especially in off-years).
Part of the problem also is that people don't do their own homework and become more knowledgeable about checks-and-balances and how things truly get done in D.C., in addition to finding out about the numerous differences between the typical platform of the GOP and our platform. This alludes to something I'd like to see Bernie acknowledge. He should point out to the less politically-savvy people that a president's powers are limited, and that while he promises things like free college, it won't necessarily come into fruition without solid Democratic majorities in both Houses. He can't do it all himself.

[Indepatriot]

181. Walks right into that nest of Third Way vipers and KABOOOM! Drops a TRUTHBOMB

on their little coronation. I don't think I could love this man more!

[CentralMass]

310. Bern'in down the house

[steve2470]

191. My liberal Democratic Party activist brother says Sanders is right on all points

The guy knows what he's talking about, so, I agree with my brother.

[slipslidingaway]

198. Conflicting issues ....

contribute to Bernie or pay down more on our medical debt for this year???

Thinking the medical providers may just get a little less each month.

[SwampG8r]

215. If you keep paying the medical bills

I will send Bernie a little more for you

[beam me up scottie]

220. Wow.

You're kind of awesome.

[SwampG8r]

224. Enlightened self interest

My wife is a midwife so paying medical bills is in my best interests
I waste money to the point I try to never have any in my possession so I will give my extra to the Florida Sanders campaign keeping me from wasting it
So all self serving

[beam me up scottie]

225. Still kind of awesome.

My guy buys dog food to help a homeless guy feed his only friend in the world.

He delivers it with a hot meal for the human.

[SwampG8r]

228. Yeah we have a no kill shelter

We get pet stuff 2 for 1 the shelter gets the extras unless I have too much money then they get some and the extras
My wife has compared me to a monk over the money but if you have been really poor in America you usually don't develop the love of money needed to turn away from others
I have minimum needs and maximum income so its my balance
Again bottom line self interest

[beam me up scottie]

232. ^That^

if you have been really poor in America you usually don't develop the love of money needed to turn away from others

[slipslidingaway]

353. Wow ...

that is so kind and thank you!!! Trying to do a little of each ... paying for past wonderful care or dreaming of a more equitable future.

Thanks again!

[MisterP]

295. that's how they run the country: keep everyone on the hamster wheel for rent+

extortionate insurance+extortionate student loans and they won't even have time to gasp for air, let alone join the large sort of campaign it'd take to start rolling back the oligarchy

win-win

[slipslidingaway]

354. Yes, hard to break the cycle sometimes :( n/t

[lovemydog]

201. Best speech I've seen him give.

He's proposing a grass roots movement to make America what it can and should be. He's appealing to the best parts of people, much like RFK did. I truly hope more people will vote because of him and his message. In every election.

I hope more people like him will run for office and win - especially at local and city and county and state levels. That's what we need to stem the tide of corruption and stagnation. We need hundreds more like him in both houses of Congress too.

[ctsnowman]

258. K & R

[madokie]

262. And not once did he feel compelled to say god bless America

This is my kind of man

[Chico Man]

265. It was an ok speech

Brilliant? Not so sure. I didn't hear anything new. The base will eat it up, but what about everyone else? Was it truly inspiring? It focused too much on socio-economics. He needs to transcend that to be truly inspiring for the majority of voters. Obama ran on the concept of "change". Bernie is running on the concept of "socio-economics". Which has mass appeal?

[Armstead]

269. Socio Economics? That's one I've never heard before.

I do know what socio economics are.

But remember Bill Clinton's successful mantra in his Presidential campaign?

"It's the economy, stupid."

Sanders is not a one-issue candidate, But he is basically following the same advice that Bill Clinton did. Much of it does boil down to economics and how they affect real people.

[Chico Man]

270. He presents as a one issue candidate

If he is to improve, he should be challenged. I personally believe he needs to transcend the socioeconomic platform he focused on throughout this 25 minute speech. I also think that is a reasonable ask.

He is no Bill Clinton - at least I have not seen Bernie reach that level of political prowess. Perhaps he can.

[phleshdef]

273. Socioeconomics isn't one issue, its an ass load of issues.

But I've seen this impotent line used against Bernie by a lot of people who want to minimize him. Pro-tip... its not working.

[Chico Man]

275. It is many issues

The majority of voters are looking for more. They see the kalidescope, not the colors.

You can continue with Bernie's status quo. I doubt it will win him the presidency.

[phleshdef]

276. LOL, "Bernie's status quo"

Okay, I'm done taking anything you have to say with any measure off seriousness whatsoever.

[Chico Man]

278. We will certainly see what happens

Won't we.

[Armstead]

274. The problem is.....

The issue that Sanders is raising a CORE ISSUE....It has been a core issue, and a cancer that has been eating away at our society in many ways for at least 35 years. That is the increasing and obscene concentration of wealth and power -- and the siphoning up of all economic resources from the middle and lower classes upward to a tiny sliver of people who altready have more than they will ever need.

But that basic message has been glossed over and ignored by the Democratic Party Leadership (not all -- there are worthy exceptions), who in too many instances actually supported the problem.

Sanders has finally broken through, and has brought that issue into the mainstream. Unfortunately, the relentless repetition of it is necessary just to be heard through all of the political and media filter.

So, yes it may seem to some that it's narrow. But it also is necessary at this point to focus on that to spark a larger debate.

[Chico Man]

277. It hasn't been brought to the mainstream

It may feel that way (especially for those frequenting sites like DU). But it really hasn't. And this speech is not the vehicle that is going to take the message there. I wish it were.

[mariawr]

288. Wow we took our Debbie Downer Pill today, huh, Chico? nt

[Chico Man]

291. No

But it would be depressing to find out that all of the slacktivism creating a false sense of hope in Bernie's campaign was simply based on like minded individuals talking amongst themselves and pumping each other up, yet failing to reach out and connect to the rest of the populace, because everything is being framed within a socioeconomic lens.

If this speech is considered brilliant, we are in big trouble.

[2banon]

350. I'm surprised you say that, Armstead..

Socio-Economics is all it's ever been about, really.. which is the driver behind Social Justice and Equality. Class and Race Analysis. Separate, yet intrinsically tied together..

[Armstead]

351. I was referring to the dismissive use of the term above

[2banon]

352. oh now I'm embarrassed. No Wonder!

[Duval]

286. We need Bernie in the White House eom

[BeanMusical]

294. Kick and R

[Babel_17]

296. Wow, the comments section at the New York Times is amazing

Due in large part to his and O'Malley's speeches.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-faces-skepticism-from-democratic-insiders.html?_r=0

[saidsimplesimon]

300. "Tommy Can You Hear Me"

Very annoying, I can play music, no problem with the sound. Very odd, I'm having trouble with audio on all
DU member links.

[AuntPatsy]

302. .

[senz]

331. Love the way the stern demeanor drops & he lets a little grin out

when he mentions (at about 2:20 ) how things have changed in the past few months.

Gawd he is sweet. Good man.

In this speech, he lets the DNC know that they have a whole lot to learn about strategy. They are very fortunate to now have a man who understands strategy and understands the American people. I hope they paid attention.

[Bonobo]

342. He KILLED it. This could be a real revolution, not a slogan one like in 2008.

IF we get behind it, it can happen.

And it is good or all of us and it COULD be transformative.

Please, Dems, find your trust in real change again and back the candidate who will take us towards it.

[loudsue]

343. Bernie Sanders needs to be heard everywhere.

People need to hear him.