prophet, savior, feminist hero, mlk

[seabeyond]

all wrapped up in one.

a man. a mere man. a mere man that is a politician. it took just a few short months to get here. i never thought we as a party would do this. again, for the umpteenth time. a very interesting election season.

[Bonobo]

1. What is the subject of this OP? nt

[beam me up scottie]

2. .

She's attacking Bernie's supporters as usual.

[Bonobo]

5. Did I miss it and someone said Bernie was greater than MLK or something?

She sure has come to hate a man she once supported...

[beam me up scottie]

10. I must have missed it too.

Some people sure don't know who the real enemy is.

Instead of promoting their candidate or going after the actual racists, homophobes and misogynists running for the GOP nomination they're lying about Bernie.

Because he's the real threat to poc, lgbt people and women.

[Vattel]

35. Your definition of a strawman is okay, but could be improved upon

by replacing "proposition" with "argument." Just sayin'.

[beam me up scottie]

38. I chose that one because the op didn't cite an argument.

She just posted some words and claimed Bernie's supporters said them.

Plus I liked the pic!

[Vattel]

40. I see. I guess the most accurate definition would

include misrepresentations of both arguments and propositions.

[beam me up scottie]

41. I'd go with positions and arguments.

I agree, both should be included.

But we're wasting our beautiful brains on strawmen who have none!

Can you imagine what a stranger to these parts would think of the op?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

19. words, sander, lowercase stream of consciousness, fuckin something or another

I hope that was helpful.

[Uncle Joe]

3. Prophets of the 21st Century.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/prophets-of-the-21st-century-1315626.html

The cast of 40 seers assembled overleaf forms a mix of professional speculators, cutting-edge thinkers, visionaries and, in the odd case, charlatans. Some of them make grand pronouncements about the shape of things to come; others are quietly making discoveries and developing discourses that may determine what form the future will take. What gives them prophetic status is the fact that all of them have authority of some sort, whether it comes from the respect of their peers, the adulation of their followers or the intensity with which their advice is sought by colleagues, politicians, opinion-formers or the public. Readers will almost certainly find particular faults - of omission or inclusion - in the selection, but its general range is probably right. This is how prophets should be: cranky but persuasive, on the borders of acceptability. They can't all be right; it's doubtful whether all of them are wrong. And, aside from the question of their accuracy, their ranks might just hold a figure whose prophetic thoughts will have the lasting impact of a Luther, Malthus, Edison or Freud. Others may vanish as quietly as Menocchio Friuli, the 16th-century miller who speculated that the earth was a decaying ball of cheese.

Those who attempt to map coming ordeals generally do so by meditating upon present trends; yet anticipating the future remains a distinctly nostalgic science. Among the prophets listed here, Samuel Huntington's theories of inter-cultural war refer back to the Crusades, those of Rudolf Bahro to medieval monasticism. The rest are largely haunted by the spectre of the 19th century. Max Nordau and HG Wells have ghost-written the dystopian narratives of Paul Kennedy and Charles Murray. Edward Carpenter's theories of the Third Sex inform the future for gay men anticipated by Mark Thompson. Behind the fluffy mysticism of Hollywood gurus like Marianne Williamson and Deepak Chopra is the theosophy and spiritualism that titillated the late-Victorian middle classes. Most significantly, neo-Darwinian theories are being enthusiastically taken up by those shaping the future of disciplines and discourses as diverse as neurology, social theory and the creation of Artificial Life.

George Eliot, eminent Victorian and careful reader of Darwin, wrote that "among all forms of mistake, prophecy is the most gratuitous". Some of the latter-day prophets on the list overleaf might do well to remember that.' .Columnist on the Wash- ington Post and author of They Only Look Dead: Why Progressives will Dominate the Next Political Era (1996). Rep- ortedly Gordon Brown's bedtime reading, the book contends that America's "anxious middle" will reject Gingrich-style anti-government rhetoric and accept a role for the state in moulding the market for the greater good. Electorates, he argues, are sickening of small-government conservatism "dressed up in the finery of a hi-tech age." Bad news for social Darwinists like Charles Murray (qv), good news for Bill Clinton, whom Dionne credits with "a reinvention of the progressive tradition".

German historian, poet, essayist, journalist and dramatist, Enzensberger is a survivor of Sixties radicalism turned raffish guru, much-beloved of the Granta set. His idiosyncratic brand of eco-Marxism gives Paul Kennedy's (qv) ideas on population movement a radical twist, laying the blame for anticipated social disintegrations on Western greed. Historian Eric Hobsbawm lent heavyweight support to Enzensberger's latest, Civil Wars from LA to Bosnia (1996), which identifies the growth of what he terms an "autism of violence", a tide of "self-destruction and collective madness" produced across the globe by the collapse of Cold War certainties.

There is more on the link.

Thanks for the thread, seabeyond.

[ismnotwasm]

4. He's just a man

With a man's flaws. An imperfect human being. He's a politician with a politician's flaws, as hard as it is for some to believe. I love your words.

[Armstead]

21. I suppose the irony of that phrase escapes you

Jesus Christ Superstar -- Song: "I dont know how to love him."

FYI, I think most people who support Berrnie Sanders are aware of this, and recognize his human flaws.

Excuse me, now, I have to go out and polish up the Bernie Shrine in the backyard,

[beam me up scottie]

25. I did an image search for 'Bernie shrine' and this was one of the results:

[KMOD]

34. he's just a man

I can't help myself, I have to put this here.

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[Bluenorthwest]

6. This sort of rhetoric is very similar to Republican attacks on Obama when he was first running.

'He's a celebrity, they think he's the Messiah, they have pillars on that stage as if it was a temple to their God'.

Do you pay them reuse fees or is it all public domain?

"McCain’s epiphany: Obama thinks he’s a political messiah"
http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/08/01/mccains-epiphany-obama-thinks-hes-a-political-messiah/

[seabeyond]

7. i think the better plan is to just not make these comments. nt

[Uncle Joe]

9. I think the best plan is to not take words such as prophet or prophetic out of context. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

11. Your comment is a characterization of other Democrats, crafted no out of their own words but out of

your own opinions of them.

[BooScout]

16. I disagree...

The first time I saw these descriptive terms were put forth by BSers. There's one or two threads on the first page of this forum now with examples.

[Armstead]

23. Didn't you know? Bernie Sanders can transcend Time and Space

He can also shoot lightning bolts out of his fingers.

[BooScout]

30. it's not lightening bolts.....

It's rainbows....but you were close!

[Bonobo]

32. My biggest pet peeve right there, BS. "Lightening"...

Did you think that it "lightens" something?

Is it like "skin lightening"?

Like needles in my eyes when I see that.

[Armstead]

33. Sorry I thought I corrected that typo but my spellchecker let me down

[Fawke Em]

28. No there isn't.

There is a thread about a story written by a religious studies professor who compared Sanders' economic ideology to that of Pope Francis. Their economic ideologies are very similar, but this religious studies professor, who certainly knows the difference between "prophet" and "prophetic" did not ordain Sanders as "Saint Bernie."

There is also no one stating that Sanders is greater than MLK. There are threads pointing out that Sanders stood with MLK, marched with him and supported his message.

No supporter has said he's the "great feminist hero," either - supporters do - and should - point out that Sanders has always fought for equality and women's' rights.

Frankly, the only people ordaining people are Clinton supporters. You guys pretty much coronated her without asking the rest of us if we thought she was the best person for the job.

[artislife]

36. Exactly

And made by the same supporters to boot.

H fans the first round were also saying the same bs. Look how well that turned out for their candidate and the image of the supporters.

[morningfog]

8. What the hell is this post even about?

MLK? What is this garble?

[Capt. Obvious]

12. This is

contrary to Louisiana, before perhaps convoluted attempt to explain the staple bigoted adherents may be a street renaming

[beam me up scottie]

17. Pootwattle...

Pootwattle's critique of the relationship between the fragmentation of representational familiarity and the internal structure of the proper-name effect should be applied to the study of Joyce.

[demmiblue]

27. Why won't Sanders cooperate?

Why won't Sanders cooperate? Sanders steeps an ocean with the doubtful acceptance. The confusing telephone needs Sanders. The stark creator breaches the hassle. The pump lodges the foot after the postcard. Will Sanders count above the urge?

[BooScout]

13. you forgot magical....

And fwiw, ... all the descriptions in the op are actual descriptive terms used by BSers....if some BSers object to them, they need to speak up when such terms are first raised when their fellow supporters use them....not when someone else points out how inane they are.

[Bonobo]

14. BSers = BooScouters?

[BooScout]

15. BSers=Bernie Sanders supporters

Just like HRCers= Hillary Rodham Clinton supporters.

Do keep up.

[morningfog]

18. Is this what it is about? Link to "savior" attribution?

I have no idea what this OP is about. It's a meaningless garble devoid of context or content.

[BooScout]

20. I got it....

Sorry you missed the point of it though because it's a good point.

[morningfog]

22. Link to savior attribution.

I'm trying to play catch up.

[Armstead]

24. Some people have posted articles and/or videos...

that compare the econmic/social agendas of the Pope and MLK with Sander's message and goals.

Horrors.

[artislife]

37. Magical? Who else was called magical in 2008 by the same supporters?

Wow. I didn't expect that word from you. I know you are a H supporter but I thought you also were an Obama supporter. This word is pretty dismissive (to say the least) in political discussions in this country.

[brer cat]

26. You rock, sea!

[Fawke Em]

29. What did you not think the party would do again?

Fail to bow to the mighty Clinton machine?

[Bonobo]

31. tinker, tailor, soldier, spy

mother, daughter, grandma, greatest legal mind ever, warm, caring, best friend poc, gays, and pantsuits ever had, sure if thats the way you wanna, I'm with ya all the way, as long as you know. ok? your play, lol

[cyberswede]

39. Who describes Sanders that way? Certainly not his typical supporters.

In fact, I submit Sanders supporters are less likely to blindly follow a cult of personality; they like him because his positions are good.

[Romulox]

42. Is there some sort of online translator for this garble? nt

[Bobbie Jo]

43. Like clockwork

The swarm has descended upon your thread with the jr high spitball attacks.

Mob behavior is fascinating, no?

K&R for telling it anyway...