2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPresident Obama had a “Liar” in his Cabinet..
Seems to me, he needs comment at some point...If Hillary is a liar, so is our President?
Might be better if he stays out of this crap, but still a quick humorous jab might be in line..
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)What exactly are you talking about? What lies? Any point of reference at all?
Thanks...
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)that the one word which best describes Hillary Clinton is a Liar.. Jesus Christ it was all over the place today..
Cha
(297,275 posts)always welcome.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)If you had a poll on DU of progressive voters and asked if GW Bush was a "liar" (or any other descriptor) you'd get 90% + saying YES. Now, if you added another group from Free Republic - you'd get some, but most would say NO. How do you report that mix? It depends on if you want to bash Bush (or not).
The total would be about half saying either was a "liar" or not. Sampling and reporting controls polls results - and some are not representative of the population of interest. You can't assume, like they often do on TV, that this poll means everyone thinks Hillary is a liar. You can see that 50%-60% consistently would vote FOR Hillary. The descriptor is coming from a flaw in polling that asked GOP Hillary haters to describe Hillary. You'd get the same thing if you posted on DU a poll asking to describe Bush.
Welcome to Quinnapiac polling. In fact, in all sampling there is something called the "non ignorable non respondent". That's the people who NEVER answer polls, because they are unavailable or refuse to answer. If you could actually get them to respond, it would CHANGE the RESULTS.
One classic case was Geraldine Ferrero who thought, because of BIG CROWDS that she would be a winner. She was on the losing ticket because she thought those crowds represented the actual voters:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/1164602?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
"Eelworms, Bullet Holes, and Geraldine Ferraro: Some Problems with Statistical Adjustment and Some Solutions"
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)since there's no way to know what DUers have or haven't seen. I asked because I had no idea what you were referring to.
awake
(3,226 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)That going to be hard to track down.
dhill926
(16,339 posts)who exactly? Show some proof. How many? Do any other pols ever lie? I got no dog in this hunt yet, but all this shit makes this place suck.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)look like he is supporting the Clintons' financial deals (aka "speech fees" and foundation contributions). I remember one of the Democratic officials (a woman) when asked about this replying that the Clintons would have to answer those questions. Is she really that stupid? She thinks the Clintons aren't going to expect their "supporters" to go to bat for them and put their reputations on the line.
Even ignoring Hillary Clinton's actions as SOS (e.g., the USB Bank deal), why in the heck would a company pay a person hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars to merely give a speech?
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Can you provide a link, please?
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Good God it was all over the news, fitting 3 candidates with one word.. Clintons was liar.. I forget what Trump and Bush were..
Of course the rest of the poll had her defeating all opponents handily..Still this Liar shit has to stop..
Clinton today finally addressed the issue stating that maybe she could have handled this story better.. I agree, but all in all this whole email crap is just crap and everyone knows it.. Same as Benghazi.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)assholes, everyone has one. Do you think the RW is ever going to give Democrats a break? Hell no. A poll saying someone is a liar is not proof of a person lying just as a poll is not the results of an election.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)Why would Obama jump into this if indeed there were lies told. Republic0ns have been calling her a liar for a while as well as the President. Is that where you get your info from?
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)If there are lie,post them so all have a chance to read other wise let us not repeat unproven crap. Not a HRC supporter,but still want the facts. Not something Roger Ailes or Rove and buddy Drudge dream up.
mcar
(42,334 posts)busterbrown
(8,515 posts)It was all over the news.. Basic bullshit polling asking to describe Clinton, Bush and Trump in one word.. Liar" came up for Clinton. Bush came up for Jeb and who knows the fuck what came up for Trump..
Now I just found out that someone tried to block my thread? WTF I was just pointing out he absurdity of it all.. And I am a huge fan of Hillary..
BooScout
(10,406 posts)And you start a thread about Hillary being a "liar" and your favorite group is the BS Group. We thank you for your concern.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)One juror saw your side that you were mocking. Most of us were concerned your op was an unjustified attack on Clinton like so many others
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)You must not have watched how he operates, the last 6 or so years.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)...statistics.
oasis
(49,388 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)I would do the same, if it means distancing from Sec. Clinton then that's what they will do. This president is incredibly smart and knows who is of value and who isn't. If Sec. Clinton's stock goes deep in the red then it will be noticeable. My guess is if their is something really bad that Sec. Clinton cannot escape from in this email thing then it will be so long. Could that already be happening? Biden?
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)On Thu Aug 27, 2015, 11:48 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
President Obama had a Liar in his Cabinet..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251551783
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A thread simple to promote that Clinton is a liar, with no bases to the accusation. This appears to be a lame attempt to continue the strategy that Clinton is untrustworthy. Clinton is a Democratic candidate, and this is a Democratic board, a safe haven for all Democrats, not just those supporting Sanders.
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Explanation: Did the alerter see the quotation marks around the word liar? The OP is insulting those calling HRC a liar, not called BO a liar or HRC a liar. Honestly, reading comprehension would be nice.
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I think the right course is to debate it not try to censor it...leave it.
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busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Quinnipiac Pole everyone.. Just plain bullshit, which I was trying to point out.. Look it up, (although I already explained it twice).
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)For instance, CNN's article about the poll does not once mention the word liar.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/27/politics/donald-trump-jeb-bush-poll-quinnipiac/
However, I did see some tabloid types and right wingers talking about it. Maybe we just hang out in different circles.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)creeps, liars, DLC stars, and Republicans.
The only one that I really liked was Solis and she spent her whole tenure in Cheney's undisclosed location.
His economic team and fucking Duncan are dispicable. His security people have been mostly Bushies.
Absurd argument.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,181 posts)It'll blow over by tomorrow morning, when the results of the next stupid poll will be announced. ("If __________ were a tree, what tree would they be?"