2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum#BlackLivesMatter disrupts Clinton rally to demand she cut ties with prison industrial complex
Fusions Jorge Rivas wrote, At least 20 transgender women have been killed this year, 14 of them black women. In nine of those cases, Fusion found last week, charges have been filed.
Hillary Clinton must stand with Black people, especially Black trans women, by refusing to accept funds from or bundled by executives of or lobbyists for private prison companies and investing the money shes already accepted from those companies in the work toward Black trans liberation, said GetEQUALs Rian Brown in a statement sent to Fusion. Until that happens, we cannot for a moment think that Hillary believes Black Lives Matter.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/blacklivesmatter-disrupts-clinton-rally-to-demand-she-cut-ties-with-prison-industrial-complex/
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)BULLSHIT.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Tired of being here?
How many times in this thread are you going to denigrate BLM?
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)and still be able to troll this site? This one is special, not cute. LOL
On edit: I just realized this one was finally sent on a long vacation.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,311 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Five hides in THIS carnation!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Clearly, the poster is here to stir the crap ... they post on both sides to the street.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You'll be missed.
Really.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Okay then.
Nice weather we're having, eh?
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)I got it! I'm out of coffee... ... Oh wait! I have more in my pantry! Okay...all better now!
Good on BLM- and Team Hillary is going to hate this. They don't even like to admit it's happening :p
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Tired of being here?
How many times in this thread are you going to denigrate BLM?
The issue they posed:
The solution they posed:
They are doing marvelous work, and should not be discounted with faulty remarks as BLM pose no solutions
Further reading:
http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision
http://www.getequal.org/
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)As Mock notes, this number already exceeds last year's complete total of documented murders according to the National Coalition of Anti-Violence programs. According to an article published by The Guardian on Monday, the total of reported murders is now at 18.
This alarming number recently led transgender actress and activist Laverne Cox to declare a "State of Emergency" in the transgender community, stating that "your life should not be in danger simply for being who you are." And while this disturbing spike in the murder of trans women of color, who are disproportionately affected by violence, has caught the attention of many major news outlets, cable networks have remained remarkably silent.
"These woman are more than just a compilation of names and ages and stories of violence and trauma -- they are people," Mock says at the end of the segment. "People living at a vulnerable intersection of race, gender and class. People existing in a culture where they fell in between the cracks of racial justice, feminist and LGBT movements. People whose names are only spoken by the majority of us when they can no longer respond. Today we learn their stories and say their names, not out of obligation but out of recognition that these 17 women had value, had purpose and were loved. And they will be missed."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/janet-mock-brings-the-name-of-17-trans-women-of-color-killed-in-2015-into-living-rooms-across-america_55dc9b3ce4b08cd3359d67c0
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)me b zola
(19,053 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I don't remember seeing an op on DU so I thought I'd share it.
me b zola ---
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Tired of being here?
How many times in this thread are you going to denigrate BLM?
RichVRichV
(885 posts)This should be a no brainer for all of them.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)bonniebgood
(943 posts)are they ones, especially Joe who put the private prisons in motion with
the crime bill. BLM is why Joe IS NOT running. Good on them.
George II
(67,782 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Another point is Bernie is actively outspoken against private prisons.
https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/posts/875971435791195
and
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-private-prisons_55d73ed5e4b04ae49702dfdf
I haven't seen Hillary (or Joe) denounce private prisons as yet.
George II
(67,782 posts)....that Sanders voted for, yet he gets a pass?
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Bernie Sanders is actively speaking against the legislation and working to get it repealed. Clinton and Biden are not.
Bernie Sanders has never received financial support from the private prison interest groups. The same cannot be said for Clinton or Biden.
I'm not sure how I can make that more self evident.
I also pointed out in another post that Bernie tried to have the private prison language removed, but ultimately voted for the legislation to provide much needed support for women's health.
George II
(67,782 posts)Clinton HAS spoken about prison reform, not JUST private prison reform. Her position is more sweeping than Sanders.
Regardless of what you want people to believe, Sanders DID vote for it. If he had such a big problem with "the private prison language", he could have voted against it.
The way things work in Congress - you vote "AYE" or "NAY", not "MAYBE".
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)I'd be very interested in what she actually said. I intend to take the stance that many Hillary supporters have taken toward Bernie... namely where Bernie's broad stance on Human rights support wasn't good enough and that he needed to specifically support racial justice and BLM issues, Hillary's broad support for prison reform isn't sufficient. She needs to specifically denounce private prisons.
I've never claimed Bernie did not vote for the legislation. Had you looked at post #32 (a reply to one of your comments), you would have seen that. For your benefit, and cause I'm starting to feel just a wee bit snarky, I'll repost reply #32 here for you (and others) to see.
Bernie voted in favor of the legislation because it provided much needed benefit for women's healthcare. He also tried to have the section for private prisons striped out.
Hillary is not accepting money from the private prison industry... she's accepting it from a bundler... who is getting it from the private prison industry. Hillary is pretty smart. She knows where her money is coming from. All politicians do.
George II
(67,782 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,311 posts)under the rug.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)I'm not interested in whatever redirection you're planning. We agree that Bernie, Hillary and Joe all had a hand in the legislation getting passed. We also seem to agree it needs to be fixed. If Hillary really is for elimination (not reform) of private prisons, I'd gladly give her praise for it. However, private prisons where completely missing from her speech. I'm not going to give her credit where credit is not due.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:13 AM - Edit history (1)
despicable industry 'morally repugnant' which it is. More of that 'privatization' pushed by the Third Way along with their Republican cohorts.
They never saw something that a profit could be made from, including human suffering, wars eg, and of course Private Prisons that they didn't like.
Bernie wants them shut down and so should every Democrat.
He also wants those horrible Detention Centers where undocumented workers are held, many have died in theses horrors also, shut down.
THESE are the issues that are going to be, finally, a big part of this election. America has gone down a very morally bankrupt road over the past number of decades.
I am very glad, being that this has always been a huge issue for me, to see the Private Prison Industry finally being exposed to the LIGHT in this election.
George II
(67,782 posts)......along with increasing the population in the prisons he enabled.
And despite the false claims here and elsewhere, Hillary Clinton is NOT accepting money from the so-called "private prison industry".
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Bernie voted in favor of the legislation because it provided much needed benefit for women's healthcare. He also tried to have the section for private prisons striped out.
Hillary is not accepting money from the private prison industry... she's accepting it from a bundler... who is getting it from the private prison industry. Hillary is pretty smart. She knows where her money is coming from. All politicians do.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)but those damn inconvenient facts just keep getting in the way of a much needed circuit breaker for HC .
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Its a great quote! Even better... its usually true.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)They're just hard working suits and dedicated patriotic shareholders, trying to save our nation from the scourge of non-violent drug users.
Is it so wrong if they turn a little teensy profit from all the people doing 10 year mandatory minimum sentences for the roachclip that was found in their ashtray, in the process?
Sure, I suppose you'd just LET those people smoke that devil weed in the privacy of their own homes, instead of sending them to a secure corporate facility where they belong, and can become productive, location-restricted labor units at a lucrative sub-minimum wage rate.
Private Prison Industry, pshaw. "Freelance Incarceration Technicians", please.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That's very good!
My s/o is traveling to his home state of Colorado in October, I would love for him to bring back something for my migraines but we all know how that would end.
Self medicating with a plant is a crime.
appalachiablue
(41,132 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)opposed to Privatizing the prison system. Thanks though for providing the opportunity for people to post the facts about why he ended up voting for it. It will be raised and it's good to know the facts so any attempt to try to distort them can and will be corrected, as it was here.
George II
(67,782 posts)....of the legislation, he could have voted against it. He didn't. All the "rationalization" in the world will not change his vote.
A Congressman gets an opportunity to vote "AYE" or "NAY", not "MAYBE".
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Hillary is still receiving money from private prisons. To barrow a portion of your wording, all the bundlers in the world will not change the source of her donations... or that she has yet to denounce private prisons.
George II
(67,782 posts)....what the rhetoric or excuses offered.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)a few more truths inconvenient to some other candidates.
George II
(67,782 posts)....so how effective can he be as a President?
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)There's numerous pieces of legislation she's voted on that has not passed. By your awfully arbitrary standard, Hillary is also ineffective as a legislator.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)appalachiablue
(41,132 posts)on earth. This racism and inhuman disgrace has to end, like the goal of profitzation by corporate predators of our commons: prisons, health 'care', hospitals, schools, parks, roads and infrastructure, airways, mail services and more.
LettuceSea
(337 posts)Tons of P4P institutions in Florida, thanks to both R and D congressmen in FLA being doormats to that 'industry.'
Instead of being a leader, DWS welcomes their money into her state and our party. Pure slime.
George II
(67,782 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)'businesses' they have profited from so far and I am glad that it is finally having a light shone on it. I know that for years there have been efforts by activists to bring attention to what Bernie Sanders has called 'morally repugnant' system of 'justice'.
How it ever became legal is beyond me.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)She lost me with her inane opposition to medical marijuana.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)I'm curious as to how she ended up chairperson for the DNC.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Well, I guess that if they do this to HRH one time too many they'll be thrown under the bus by the most "enthusiastic" Hillary supporters.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)making their message heard to ALL candidates.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)You seem like a reasonable person.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I applaud #BlackLivesMatter. I don't see the movement as attacking politicians, but making sure that race issues have a seat at the table in this election. It seems to be working too.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)..that was the whole idea of those interruptions in the first place. I think it's working too.
Number23
(24,544 posts)you responded to there.
Oh Lordy...
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Breathing in, breathing out!
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I will likely vote for HRC and I'm glad blm is confronting candidates on issues related to black lives. They should keep it up.
See, HRC is not the answer to all issues but I think she'd be a good president. All presidents should be pushed to do the right thing but I'm not delusional. It takes more than a president to fix things but I think HRC is better at getting stuff done.
mountain grammy
(26,621 posts)this is a concrete, real issue that is affecting the lives of thousands of Americans. We fight this ridiculous "war on drugs," locking up citizens until more than a million are put away, then we allow anyone and everyone to own as many lethal weapons as they want because, freedom, leading to a staggering rate of gun deaths, and we dare to think of ourselves as better than the rest of the world?
Yes, this is an issue that is at the very heart of BLM, our racist criminal justice system, taking over where lynching left off. The final straw is removing people from home and family for profit.
Many private concerns profit from our criminal justice system. Our tax money pays for all kinds of corporate schemes to rip off citizens convicted of minor offenses, from private drug labs to tracking devices. When a politician starts ranting about drug testing, you can bet he's been wined and dined by the lab testing companies. Profiting from the misery of others is disgusting.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Many of these women are isolated from general society and even their families. They can count on each other but all too often they're isolated and subject to hateful attacks.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)That's what some people here were saying . . .
frylock
(34,825 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)So sad.
frylock
(34,825 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Like OWS, anyone can use the phrase. It can be coopted, as was OWS, by people who have their own agenda. Which is a shame of course but that is part of the downside of movements that do not have traditional leadership.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)The two times I've pointed out that HRC is accepting money from the prisons-for-profit industry, I was jumped on by Hillary supporters and told that the connection has been "debunked" or it was no big deal.
Whoopsie.
Much respect to BLM for calling HRC to account on this. The prisons-for-profit concept is an abomination.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)and its activists for weeks on end because they only picked on poor ole Bernie.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)The truth doesn't align with the false meme you are actively promoting, but the truth prevails regardless.
On edit: We all know based on behavior here that Clinton accolytes would lose their collective shit if Hillary had been dealt with the same way Bernie was in Seattle. There is no comparison which paints the meme you are peddling disingenuous at best and more likely that which I cannot post without risking a jury decision.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)Without a shred of irony or sarcasm, I am interested in HRC response to this. I think it is an important moment in her public discourse on race and social justice. As for the reaction of the fractious mob, only mildly curious. I doubt that they will offer any enlightening perspective, but it might be entertaining.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Oh wait... that didn't happen.
They were actually removed by police for daring to make noise from the audience.
I guess I was remembering the Sanders rally where the protesters were given a microphone and the candidate stepped back and put his dead down respectfully in a several minutes of silence to reflect on the deaths of black people at the hands of police. And THEN they were given a platform to speak from.
romanic
(2,841 posts)The loons at the event Sanders was at (it wasn't a rally for him he was just there to speak last) stormed the stage and threw tantrums until the poor event organizer threw the mic at them, and even then the so-called activsts were petulant and didn't want to let Sanders speak and just pushed and shoved and threw more tantrums.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)"loons"
"so-called activists"
"petulant"
"tantrum".
Nice addition to the collection of vicious, anti-blm tirades from the Bernie camp.
You guys are still doing a bang up job on this front.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)He ain't the only one denigrating BLM.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)This one was just particularly representative of the vicious crap thrown at BLM from some quarters.
On a more encouraging note:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251553349
romanic
(2,841 posts)but I'm not going to pretend some of their activists are infallible either.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Just more of the same vicious attitude toward these people from your camp.
You go with that...
jfern
(5,204 posts)Which I think you'd agree with if you were a reasonable person and watched the video.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I meant what I said.
That I don't agree with the attacks and the characterizations from your camp does not make me unreasonable.
You go with that too...
jfern
(5,204 posts)And after the moment of silence they demanded, they wouldn't hand back the mike. They got what they asked for, but still decided to be total assholes.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)unlike the protesters that tried to interrupt Hillary. And yet all the people criticizing Sanders seem to be fine with Hillary silencing them.
romanic
(2,841 posts)I don't agree with every single thing BLM does; nor should I.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)A top tier issue in her campaign.
Can we be forgiven if we wonder whether "fighting drugs" is code for more drug war gravy train largesse, big dollars to her private prison lobbyist friends as sick cancer patients are hauled off to prison for trying to mitigate their chemo nausea with a joint?
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Advocating ending the drug war on marijuana and freeing many from prison who have been put there for victimless "crimes", would help us free ourselves a lot quicker from the prison industrial complex, and to raise a lot more revenue instead of wasting it on them and wasting so many people's lives in doing so as well.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And if one is looking at the "private prison industry" from a profit-driven perspective, I would think rational policies on the drug war (most of the DEA's budget goes towards 'fighting' the smoking of pot) would pose a threat.
A conflict of interest for anyone receiving lobbyist $$$ from them, if you ask me.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Also both of them and everyone else running from all parties need a statement about, "Will they decriminalize just the plant"?, if President Obama doesn't by mandate.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Why didn't they do this....oh... like at the beginning of the month? What took so long?
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)BLM attacking friends, not the GOP
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Lee Fang reports at The Intercept:
Last week, Clinton and other candidates revealed a number of lobbyists who are serving as bundlers for their campaigns. Bundlers collect contributions on behalf of a campaign, and are often rewarded with special favors, such as access to the candidate.
Richard Sullivan, of the lobbying firm Capitol Counsel, is a bundler for the Clinton campaign, bringing in $44,859 in contributions in a few short months. Sullivan is also a registered lobbyist for the Geo Group, a company that operates a number of jails, including immigrant detention centers, for profit.
As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court.
Hillary Clinton has a complicated history with incarceration. As first lady, she championed efforts to get tough on crime. We need more police, we need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders, Clinton said in 1994. The three strikes and youre out for violent offenders has to be part of the plan. We need more prisons to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets, she added.
In recent months, Clinton has tacked left in some ways, and now calls for alternatives to incarceration and for greater police accountability. And while Clinton has backed a path to citizenship for undocumented people in America, she recently signaled a willingness to crack down on so-called sanctuary cities, a move that could lead to more immigrant detentions.
link: http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/private_prison_lobbyists_are_fundraising_for_hillary_clinton_20150724
katsy
(4,246 posts)That supports slavery in the guise of private prisons should not be taken seriously.
Shut that crap down.
reddread
(6,896 posts)thebighobgoblin
(179 posts)I agree with them in principle on a number of issues, but mass disruption didn't work out too well for the Democratic party in 1968 and it's not going to work well in 2016 either if it continues. Revolutionaries are strongest when they support the right ideas and when they conduct themselves with maturity.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)please read and sign:
Dear Secretary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee (DNC),
I'm calling on you to reject for-profit incarceration, disavow the private prison industry and oppose private prisons in your policy platforms. We are appalled that Secretary Clinton is using private prison industry lobbyists as "money bundlers" to raise huge sums of money for her presidential campaign. These bundlers are lobbyists from the same private prison companies that make billions from our broken and discriminatory criminal justice system by disproportionately locking up Black and brown people in the country's most dangerous prisons, for profit. And, influenced by the private prison lobby, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is required to keep at least 34,000 immigrants locked up (most in private prison owned facilities) at a cost to taxpayers of $2 billion per year! We expect more from those who seek our votes. We urge you to end your ties with the private prison industry immediately.
http://act.presente.org/sign/hillaryprisons/?sp_ref=142226949.166.15218.f.62830.2&referring_akid=1335.48016.8Me7aK&source=fb_sp