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Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 07:22 PM Aug 2015

#BlackLivesMatter disrupts Clinton rally to demand she cut ties with prison industrial complex


Fusion’s Jorge Rivas wrote, “At least 20 transgender women have been killed this year, 14 of them black women. In nine of those cases, Fusion found last week, charges have been filed.”

“Hillary Clinton must stand with Black people, especially Black trans women, by refusing to accept funds from or bundled by executives of or lobbyists for private prison companies — and investing the money she’s already accepted from those companies in the work toward Black trans liberation,” said GetEQUAL’s Rian Brown in a statement sent to Fusion. “Until that happens, we cannot for a moment think that Hillary believes Black Lives Matter.”


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/blacklivesmatter-disrupts-clinton-rally-to-demand-she-cut-ties-with-prison-industrial-complex/
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#BlackLivesMatter disrupts Clinton rally to demand she cut ties with prison industrial complex (Original Post) Bubzer Aug 2015 OP
Awesome. Time to start calling all of them out on their ghostsinthemachine Aug 2015 #1
What BS: BLM is a bunch of sreamers, they don't attack the GOP lewebley3 Aug 2015 #64
You're cute! zappaman Aug 2015 #79
Isn't it odd that one can have five hides Oilwellian Aug 2015 #87
How are able to tell? Bubzer Aug 2015 #88
Click on the poster's Profile icon next to their post count. n/t Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #90
Awesome! Thank you! Bubzer Aug 2015 #95
I was going to write ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #103
I went to that poster's Transparency Page and found it interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #104
What would be the point - their polls would just go up. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #100
If you dont understand what they do and why, you should educate yourself. randys1 Aug 2015 #101
Have fun on vacation. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #102
Yep, so sad. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #108
Let's all take a moment to be sad. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #110
Lol! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #111
A sad moment? Hmm...this might take me a while... Bubzer Aug 2015 #112
LOL Hydra Aug 2015 #2
I done with BLM matters: They are just a bunch fame gory hounds: Not interested in solutions lewebley3 Aug 2015 #60
well aren't you special? zappaman Aug 2015 #80
Really? jkbRN Aug 2015 #131
"...they fell in between the cracks of racial justice, feminist and LGBT movements" beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #3
I Rec this post^ nt Zorra Aug 2015 #6
Me too. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #118
I saw that segment live. It was powerful. me b zola Aug 2015 #53
I posted it in the lgbt group this morning. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #54
It shows how dumb the BLM group has become! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #61
You sound concerned! zappaman Aug 2015 #81
Getting rid of private prisons is a cause every Democrat should be for. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #4
Agreed. Private prisons should never have been allowed to exist. Bubzer Aug 2015 #5
Absolutely and Presente had a petition to urge Clinton to stop taking money davidpdx Aug 2015 #115
Damn straight. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2015 #129
About damn time Hillary and Joe Biden are called on this, they bonniebgood Aug 2015 #7
Why not include Sanders? He voted for the bill too. George II Aug 2015 #9
Well, for one, Bernie wasn't a recipient of the lobbyist money to pass the bill. Hillary is. Bubzer Aug 2015 #22
Dodging the question - Clinton and Biden are being blamed for the SAME legislation.... George II Aug 2015 #67
I don't see how you could consider that a dodge. It's fairly clear in addressing the why. Bubzer Aug 2015 #72
Biden hasn't spoken against it yet because he's keeping a VERY low profile (he's not a candidate!) George II Aug 2015 #73
Would you care to post a link where clinton has publicly advocated for prison reform? Bubzer Aug 2015 #76
On April 29 She gave a comprehensive speech on Prison Reform. George II Aug 2015 #84
She did, and I read the transcript. There is absolutely no mention of private prisions. Bubzer Aug 2015 #85
Hers is more sweeping Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #91
Certainly has that feel. Bubzer Aug 2015 #96
Don't you know the REASON for the explosion of private prisons in this country? George II Aug 2015 #93
That line has the feel of somone about to re-frame an argument. I'll save you trouble. Bubzer Aug 2015 #97
Bernie didn't vote for Private Prisons, nor does he take their ill-gotten money. He has called this sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #27
He voted for the legislation that enabled private prisons........ George II Aug 2015 #30
Both your comments are true..but they're also incomplete. Bubzer Aug 2015 #32
Devil is in the detail TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #34
"The truth shall set you free"... Bubzer Aug 2015 #36
Well done, Bubzer! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #45
it's the "so-called" private prison industry, remember. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #49
"Freelance Incarceration Technicians"! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #50
+1 Well done Warren. appalachiablue Aug 2015 #71
Thank you :) Bubzer Aug 2015 #55
Keep throwing it at the wall. Maybe some day some will stick. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #65
It's the "inconvenient truth" - Sanders DID vote for that legislation. George II Aug 2015 #66
You have been told why he ended up voting for it, and you have been told that he has ALWAYS been sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #68
As I've said elsewhere here, if he had such a problem with the private prison aspect.... George II Aug 2015 #74
Women's health issues were clearly a more pressing issue at the time. Bubzer Aug 2015 #89
The fact remains, he DID vote for the legislation that furthered private prisons, no matter.... George II Aug 2015 #92
+1 Bubzer Aug 2015 #98
& tried to strip out the private prison part. & unlike some doesn't accept their bundled $$. magical thyme Aug 2015 #69
In other words, you folks are admitting that he has been ineffective as a legislator.... George II Aug 2015 #94
Off of a single piece of legislation? So, then, would you hold Hillary to the same standard? Bubzer Aug 2015 #99
There have never been any consequences to Sanders votes: He is from a very small state lewebley3 Aug 2015 #62
K & R. The world's largest prison population in the wealthiest, most advanced country appalachiablue Aug 2015 #8
I blame DWS the most... LettuceSea Aug 2015 #10
Yeah, that's the ticket....it's all HER fault! George II Aug 2015 #23
I agree. The Third Way is for privatization of EVERYTHING for PROFIT. This though, is one the worst sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #29
Yeah, and she supports throwing cancer grannies in prison for smoking pot, too. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #46
Never cared much for DWS's politics. She's always seemed a bit too cozy with corporate interests. Bubzer Aug 2015 #56
How dare they? BeanMusical Aug 2015 #11
It'll be interesting to see how the BLM advocates on the hillary page react to this. Bubzer Aug 2015 #12
Yep, it sure will. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #19
I'm an enthusiastic supporter of HRC and I fully support BLM NYC Liberal Aug 2015 #15
I put "enthusiastic" between quotes for a reason, you know. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #18
Why? Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #21
Oh, you're not part of the minority of HRC's supporters I had in mind when I wrote that post. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #37
I think I've seen all of two, total, myself. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #52
More like a dozen but the two that you've seen are now on vacation. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #109
Thank you... Stellar Aug 2015 #44
I am dying laughing at the classic (and incredibly failtastic) attempt at projection and obfuscation Number23 Aug 2015 #119
I am biting my lip so hard, I think I chewed through it. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #125
Black lives matter gwheezie Aug 2015 #130
I completely agree with their stand on this issue.. mountain grammy Aug 2015 #13
Thankfully some people speak up for them Babel_17 Aug 2015 #14
So BLM isn't in some kind of conspiracy with Hillary to undermine Bernie? pnwmom Aug 2015 #16
yeah, about that. looks like the tables have turned. . frylock Aug 2015 #25
That poster is on vacation, again, and won't be back until November. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #39
Oh, the humanity. frylock Aug 2015 #58
I see that another one upthread is in the penalty box as well. frylock Aug 2015 #105
That's a shame, really. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #106
Black Lives Matter is not a 'group' that everyone who uses the term belongs to. sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #28
+1 BeanMusical Aug 2015 #40
Yep. romanic Aug 2015 #43
So Hillary supports privatization Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #17
So far, that would seem to be the case. Bubzer Aug 2015 #20
Well, this is odd. Old Crow Aug 2015 #24
+1 Bubzer Aug 2015 #26
Truth. It only is an issue when "optics" become troublesome. nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #35
You know what's really odd? All the MANY Sanders supporters who trashed BLM KittyWampus Aug 2015 #59
The complaint was specifically of the bullying behavior of 2 women ostensibly BLM in Seattle. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #77
+1 No Private Prisons!! nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #31
+2 Bubzer Aug 2015 #33
I am truly interested Fairgo Aug 2015 #38
Kick and R BeanMusical Aug 2015 #41
I liked part where Hillary told the police not to remove them and then gave them a platform to speak Bonobo Aug 2015 #42
What kind of revisionist history? romanic Aug 2015 #48
Keep it up! Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #75
Look up. zappaman Aug 2015 #82
Oh I know... Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #83
I'm not shading BLM romanic Aug 2015 #113
Whatever Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #117
The Seattle protesters were definite bullies jfern Aug 2015 #120
No, I don't agree. Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #121
They pushed him out of the way jfern Aug 2015 #122
Keep it up. nt Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #123
They were given plenty of time to speak jfern Aug 2015 #124
Im not coming from any camp. romanic Aug 2015 #128
Hillary avoids answering questions on medical and legal marijuana, wants to make "fighting drugs" Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #47
The drug war is one of the big reason that the prison industrial complex is so powerful... cascadiance Aug 2015 #126
Yeah, it is THE big reason. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #127
Mrs. Clinton should state her prison reform plan & if she will continue with Os prison reform Sunlei Aug 2015 #51
BlackLivesMatter disrupts Clinton rally AlbertCat Aug 2015 #57
Hillary is Dem is not for private prisons, The GOP are for privatization of everything lewebley3 Aug 2015 #63
but Hillary is not above taking their money. nt magical thyme Aug 2015 #70
Private prison lobbyists are top fundraisers for Clinton. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #78
Good for BLM. any candidate katsy Aug 2015 #86
Honduras reddread Aug 2015 #107
BLM is another Occupy thebighobgoblin Aug 2015 #114
Anyone who wants to urge Hillary Clinton to stop using bundlers from the private prison complex davidpdx Aug 2015 #116

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
87. Isn't it odd that one can have five hides
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:09 PM
Aug 2015

and still be able to troll this site? This one is special, not cute. LOL

On edit: I just realized this one was finally sent on a long vacation.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
104. I went to that poster's Transparency Page and found it interesting ...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:36 PM
Aug 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=315508&sub=trans

Clearly, the poster is here to stir the crap ... they post on both sides to the street.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
112. A sad moment? Hmm...this might take me a while...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:16 PM
Aug 2015

I got it! I'm out of coffee... ... Oh wait! I have more in my pantry! Okay...all better now!

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
2. LOL
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 07:55 PM
Aug 2015

Good on BLM- and Team Hillary is going to hate this. They don't even like to admit it's happening :p

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
80. well aren't you special?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:30 PM
Aug 2015

Tired of being here?
How many times in this thread are you going to denigrate BLM?

jkbRN

(850 posts)
131. Really?
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:59 PM
Aug 2015

The issue they posed:

The two women called on Clinton to “divest from private prisons and invest in the liberation of black transgender women.”


The solution they posed:
“Hillary Clinton must stand with Black people, especially Black trans women, by refusing to accept funds from or bundled by executives of or lobbyists for private prison companies—and investing the money she’s already accepted from those companies in the work toward Black trans liberation,” said Rian Brown, an organizer with GetEQUAL, in a statement sent to Fusion. “Until that happens, we cannot for a moment think that Hillary believes Black Lives Matter.”


They are doing marvelous work, and should not be discounted with faulty remarks as BLM pose no solutions

Further reading:

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision
http://www.getequal.org/

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. "...they fell in between the cracks of racial justice, feminist and LGBT movements"
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 07:57 PM
Aug 2015
Here Are 17 Of The Trans Women Murdered This Year. Say Their Names.



As Mock notes, this number already exceeds last year's complete total of documented murders according to the National Coalition of Anti-Violence programs. According to an article published by The Guardian on Monday, the total of reported murders is now at 18.

This alarming number recently led transgender actress and activist Laverne Cox to declare a "State of Emergency" in the transgender community, stating that "your life should not be in danger simply for being who you are." And while this disturbing spike in the murder of trans women of color, who are disproportionately affected by violence, has caught the attention of many major news outlets, cable networks have remained remarkably silent.

"These woman are more than just a compilation of names and ages and stories of violence and trauma -- they are people," Mock says at the end of the segment. "People living at a vulnerable intersection of race, gender and class. People existing in a culture where they fell in between the cracks of racial justice, feminist and LGBT movements. People whose names are only spoken by the majority of us when they can no longer respond. Today we learn their stories and say their names, not out of obligation but out of recognition that these 17 women had value, had purpose and were loved. And they will be missed."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/janet-mock-brings-the-name-of-17-trans-women-of-color-killed-in-2015-into-living-rooms-across-america_55dc9b3ce4b08cd3359d67c0



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
54. I posted it in the lgbt group this morning.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:10 AM
Aug 2015

I don't remember seeing an op on DU so I thought I'd share it.

me b zola ---

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
81. You sound concerned!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:31 PM
Aug 2015

Tired of being here?
How many times in this thread are you going to denigrate BLM?

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
4. Getting rid of private prisons is a cause every Democrat should be for.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 07:58 PM
Aug 2015

This should be a no brainer for all of them.

bonniebgood

(943 posts)
7. About damn time Hillary and Joe Biden are called on this, they
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:15 PM
Aug 2015

are they ones, especially Joe who put the private prisons in motion with
the crime bill. BLM is why Joe IS NOT running. Good on them.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
22. Well, for one, Bernie wasn't a recipient of the lobbyist money to pass the bill. Hillary is.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:19 PM
Aug 2015

Another point is Bernie is actively outspoken against private prisons.

"It is morally repugnant and a national tragedy that we have privatized prisons all over America. In my view, corporations should not be allowed to make a profit by building more jails and keeping more Americans behind bars. We have got to end the private-for-profit prison racket in America!"

https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/posts/875971435791195

and

"Bernie Sanders Will Introduce Legislation To End Private Prisons"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-private-prisons_55d73ed5e4b04ae49702dfdf

I haven't seen Hillary (or Joe) denounce private prisons as yet.


George II

(67,782 posts)
67. Dodging the question - Clinton and Biden are being blamed for the SAME legislation....
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:48 PM
Aug 2015

....that Sanders voted for, yet he gets a pass?

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
72. I don't see how you could consider that a dodge. It's fairly clear in addressing the why.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:36 PM
Aug 2015

Bernie Sanders is actively speaking against the legislation and working to get it repealed. Clinton and Biden are not.
Bernie Sanders has never received financial support from the private prison interest groups. The same cannot be said for Clinton or Biden.

I'm not sure how I can make that more self evident.

I also pointed out in another post that Bernie tried to have the private prison language removed, but ultimately voted for the legislation to provide much needed support for women's health.

George II

(67,782 posts)
73. Biden hasn't spoken against it yet because he's keeping a VERY low profile (he's not a candidate!)
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:53 PM
Aug 2015

Clinton HAS spoken about prison reform, not JUST private prison reform. Her position is more sweeping than Sanders.

Regardless of what you want people to believe, Sanders DID vote for it. If he had such a big problem with "the private prison language", he could have voted against it.

The way things work in Congress - you vote "AYE" or "NAY", not "MAYBE".

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
76. Would you care to post a link where clinton has publicly advocated for prison reform?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:15 PM
Aug 2015

I'd be very interested in what she actually said. I intend to take the stance that many Hillary supporters have taken toward Bernie... namely where Bernie's broad stance on Human rights support wasn't good enough and that he needed to specifically support racial justice and BLM issues, Hillary's broad support for prison reform isn't sufficient. She needs to specifically denounce private prisons.

I've never claimed Bernie did not vote for the legislation. Had you looked at post #32 (a reply to one of your comments), you would have seen that. For your benefit, and cause I'm starting to feel just a wee bit snarky, I'll repost reply #32 here for you (and others) to see.


Bernie voted in favor of the legislation because it provided much needed benefit for women's healthcare. He also tried to have the section for private prisons striped out.

Hillary is not accepting money from the private prison industry... she's accepting it from a bundler... who is getting it from the private prison industry. Hillary is pretty smart. She knows where her money is coming from. All politicians do.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
97. That line has the feel of somone about to re-frame an argument. I'll save you trouble.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:27 PM
Aug 2015

I'm not interested in whatever redirection you're planning. We agree that Bernie, Hillary and Joe all had a hand in the legislation getting passed. We also seem to agree it needs to be fixed. If Hillary really is for elimination (not reform) of private prisons, I'd gladly give her praise for it. However, private prisons where completely missing from her speech. I'm not going to give her credit where credit is not due.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
27. Bernie didn't vote for Private Prisons, nor does he take their ill-gotten money. He has called this
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:53 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:13 AM - Edit history (1)

despicable industry 'morally repugnant' which it is. More of that 'privatization' pushed by the Third Way along with their Republican cohorts.

They never saw something that a profit could be made from, including human suffering, wars eg, and of course Private Prisons that they didn't like.

Bernie wants them shut down and so should every Democrat.

He also wants those horrible Detention Centers where undocumented workers are held, many have died in theses horrors also, shut down.

THESE are the issues that are going to be, finally, a big part of this election. America has gone down a very morally bankrupt road over the past number of decades.

I am very glad, being that this has always been a huge issue for me, to see the Private Prison Industry finally being exposed to the LIGHT in this election.

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. He voted for the legislation that enabled private prisons........
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 11:05 PM
Aug 2015

......along with increasing the population in the prisons he enabled.

And despite the false claims here and elsewhere, Hillary Clinton is NOT accepting money from the so-called "private prison industry".

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
32. Both your comments are true..but they're also incomplete.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:47 AM
Aug 2015

Bernie voted in favor of the legislation because it provided much needed benefit for women's healthcare. He also tried to have the section for private prisons striped out.

Hillary is not accepting money from the private prison industry... she's accepting it from a bundler... who is getting it from the private prison industry. Hillary is pretty smart. She knows where her money is coming from. All politicians do.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
34. Devil is in the detail
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:54 AM
Aug 2015

but those damn inconvenient facts just keep getting in the way of a much needed circuit breaker for HC .

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
49. it's the "so-called" private prison industry, remember.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:07 AM
Aug 2015

They're just hard working suits and dedicated patriotic shareholders, trying to save our nation from the scourge of non-violent drug users.

Is it so wrong if they turn a little teensy profit from all the people doing 10 year mandatory minimum sentences for the roachclip that was found in their ashtray, in the process?

Sure, I suppose you'd just LET those people smoke that devil weed in the privacy of their own homes, instead of sending them to a secure corporate facility where they belong, and can become productive, location-restricted labor units at a lucrative sub-minimum wage rate.

Private Prison Industry, pshaw. "Freelance Incarceration Technicians", please.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
50. "Freelance Incarceration Technicians"!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:12 AM
Aug 2015

That's very good!

My s/o is traveling to his home state of Colorado in October, I would love for him to bring back something for my migraines but we all know how that would end.

Self medicating with a plant is a crime.


sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
68. You have been told why he ended up voting for it, and you have been told that he has ALWAYS been
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:59 PM
Aug 2015

opposed to Privatizing the prison system. Thanks though for providing the opportunity for people to post the facts about why he ended up voting for it. It will be raised and it's good to know the facts so any attempt to try to distort them can and will be corrected, as it was here.

George II

(67,782 posts)
74. As I've said elsewhere here, if he had such a problem with the private prison aspect....
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:56 PM
Aug 2015

....of the legislation, he could have voted against it. He didn't. All the "rationalization" in the world will not change his vote.

A Congressman gets an opportunity to vote "AYE" or "NAY", not "MAYBE".

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
89. Women's health issues were clearly a more pressing issue at the time.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:01 PM
Aug 2015

Hillary is still receiving money from private prisons. To barrow a portion of your wording, all the bundlers in the world will not change the source of her donations... or that she has yet to denounce private prisons.

George II

(67,782 posts)
92. The fact remains, he DID vote for the legislation that furthered private prisons, no matter....
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:49 PM
Aug 2015

....what the rhetoric or excuses offered.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
69. & tried to strip out the private prison part. & unlike some doesn't accept their bundled $$.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:05 PM
Aug 2015

a few more truths inconvenient to some other candidates.

George II

(67,782 posts)
94. In other words, you folks are admitting that he has been ineffective as a legislator....
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:11 PM
Aug 2015

....so how effective can he be as a President?

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
99. Off of a single piece of legislation? So, then, would you hold Hillary to the same standard?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:47 PM
Aug 2015

There's numerous pieces of legislation she's voted on that has not passed. By your awfully arbitrary standard, Hillary is also ineffective as a legislator.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
8. K & R. The world's largest prison population in the wealthiest, most advanced country
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:31 PM
Aug 2015

on earth. This racism and inhuman disgrace has to end, like the goal of profitzation by corporate predators of our commons: prisons, health 'care', hospitals, schools, parks, roads and infrastructure, airways, mail services and more.

LettuceSea

(337 posts)
10. I blame DWS the most...
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:12 PM
Aug 2015

Tons of P4P institutions in Florida, thanks to both R and D congressmen in FLA being doormats to that 'industry.'

Instead of being a leader, DWS welcomes their money into her state and our party. Pure slime.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
29. I agree. The Third Way is for privatization of EVERYTHING for PROFIT. This though, is one the worst
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 11:01 PM
Aug 2015

'businesses' they have profited from so far and I am glad that it is finally having a light shone on it. I know that for years there have been efforts by activists to bring attention to what Bernie Sanders has called 'morally repugnant' system of 'justice'.

How it ever became legal is beyond me.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
46. Yeah, and she supports throwing cancer grannies in prison for smoking pot, too.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:13 AM
Aug 2015

She lost me with her inane opposition to medical marijuana.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
56. Never cared much for DWS's politics. She's always seemed a bit too cozy with corporate interests.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:12 AM
Aug 2015

I'm curious as to how she ended up chairperson for the DNC.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
11. How dare they?
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:24 PM
Aug 2015

Well, I guess that if they do this to HRH one time too many they'll be thrown under the bus by the most "enthusiastic" Hillary supporters.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
15. I'm an enthusiastic supporter of HRC and I fully support BLM
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:47 PM
Aug 2015

making their message heard to ALL candidates.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
21. Why?
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:15 PM
Aug 2015

I applaud #BlackLivesMatter. I don't see the movement as attacking politicians, but making sure that race issues have a seat at the table in this election. It seems to be working too.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
44. Thank you...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:55 AM
Aug 2015

..that was the whole idea of those interruptions in the first place. I think it's working too.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
119. I am dying laughing at the classic (and incredibly failtastic) attempt at projection and obfuscation
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:02 AM
Aug 2015

you responded to there.

Oh Lordy...

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
130. Black lives matter
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:51 AM
Aug 2015

I will likely vote for HRC and I'm glad blm is confronting candidates on issues related to black lives. They should keep it up.
See, HRC is not the answer to all issues but I think she'd be a good president. All presidents should be pushed to do the right thing but I'm not delusional. It takes more than a president to fix things but I think HRC is better at getting stuff done.

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
13. I completely agree with their stand on this issue..
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:34 PM
Aug 2015

this is a concrete, real issue that is affecting the lives of thousands of Americans. We fight this ridiculous "war on drugs," locking up citizens until more than a million are put away, then we allow anyone and everyone to own as many lethal weapons as they want because, freedom, leading to a staggering rate of gun deaths, and we dare to think of ourselves as better than the rest of the world?

Yes, this is an issue that is at the very heart of BLM, our racist criminal justice system, taking over where lynching left off. The final straw is removing people from home and family for profit.
Many private concerns profit from our criminal justice system. Our tax money pays for all kinds of corporate schemes to rip off citizens convicted of minor offenses, from private drug labs to tracking devices. When a politician starts ranting about drug testing, you can bet he's been wined and dined by the lab testing companies. Profiting from the misery of others is disgusting.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
14. Thankfully some people speak up for them
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:43 PM
Aug 2015

Many of these women are isolated from general society and even their families. They can count on each other but all too often they're isolated and subject to hateful attacks.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
16. So BLM isn't in some kind of conspiracy with Hillary to undermine Bernie?
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:56 PM
Aug 2015

That's what some people here were saying . . .

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
28. Black Lives Matter is not a 'group' that everyone who uses the term belongs to.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:57 PM
Aug 2015

Like OWS, anyone can use the phrase. It can be coopted, as was OWS, by people who have their own agenda. Which is a shame of course but that is part of the downside of movements that do not have traditional leadership.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
24. Well, this is odd.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:27 PM
Aug 2015

The two times I've pointed out that HRC is accepting money from the prisons-for-profit industry, I was jumped on by Hillary supporters and told that the connection has been "debunked" or it was no big deal.

Whoopsie.

Much respect to BLM for calling HRC to account on this. The prisons-for-profit concept is an abomination.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
59. You know what's really odd? All the MANY Sanders supporters who trashed BLM
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:29 AM
Aug 2015

and its activists for weeks on end because they only picked on poor ole Bernie.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
77. The complaint was specifically of the bullying behavior of 2 women ostensibly BLM in Seattle.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:20 PM
Aug 2015

The truth doesn't align with the false meme you are actively promoting, but the truth prevails regardless.

On edit: We all know based on behavior here that Clinton accolytes would lose their collective shit if Hillary had been dealt with the same way Bernie was in Seattle. There is no comparison which paints the meme you are peddling disingenuous at best and more likely that which I cannot post without risking a jury decision.

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
38. I am truly interested
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:29 AM
Aug 2015

Without a shred of irony or sarcasm, I am interested in HRC response to this. I think it is an important moment in her public discourse on race and social justice. As for the reaction of the fractious mob, only mildly curious. I doubt that they will offer any enlightening perspective, but it might be entertaining.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
42. I liked part where Hillary told the police not to remove them and then gave them a platform to speak
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:07 AM
Aug 2015

Oh wait... that didn't happen.

They were actually removed by police for daring to make noise from the audience.

I guess I was remembering the Sanders rally where the protesters were given a microphone and the candidate stepped back and put his dead down respectfully in a several minutes of silence to reflect on the deaths of black people at the hands of police. And THEN they were given a platform to speak from.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
48. What kind of revisionist history?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:47 AM
Aug 2015

The loons at the event Sanders was at (it wasn't a rally for him he was just there to speak last) stormed the stage and threw tantrums until the poor event organizer threw the mic at them, and even then the so-called activsts were petulant and didn't want to let Sanders speak and just pushed and shoved and threw more tantrums.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
75. Keep it up!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:56 PM
Aug 2015

"loons"
"so-called activists"
"petulant"
"tantrum".

Nice addition to the collection of vicious, anti-blm tirades from the Bernie camp.

You guys are still doing a bang up job on this front.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
83. Oh I know...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:45 PM
Aug 2015

This one was just particularly representative of the vicious crap thrown at BLM from some quarters.

On a more encouraging note:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251553349

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
117. Whatever
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:42 AM
Aug 2015

Just more of the same vicious attitude toward these people from your camp.

You go with that...

jfern

(5,204 posts)
120. The Seattle protesters were definite bullies
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:04 AM
Aug 2015

Which I think you'd agree with if you were a reasonable person and watched the video.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
121. No, I don't agree.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:36 AM
Aug 2015

I meant what I said.

That I don't agree with the attacks and the characterizations from your camp does not make me unreasonable.

You go with that too...

jfern

(5,204 posts)
122. They pushed him out of the way
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:37 AM
Aug 2015

And after the moment of silence they demanded, they wouldn't hand back the mike. They got what they asked for, but still decided to be total assholes.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
124. They were given plenty of time to speak
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:41 AM
Aug 2015

unlike the protesters that tried to interrupt Hillary. And yet all the people criticizing Sanders seem to be fine with Hillary silencing them.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
47. Hillary avoids answering questions on medical and legal marijuana, wants to make "fighting drugs"
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:18 AM
Aug 2015

A top tier issue in her campaign.

Can we be forgiven if we wonder whether "fighting drugs" is code for more drug war gravy train largesse, big dollars to her private prison lobbyist friends as sick cancer patients are hauled off to prison for trying to mitigate their chemo nausea with a joint?

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
126. The drug war is one of the big reason that the prison industrial complex is so powerful...
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:09 AM
Aug 2015

Advocating ending the drug war on marijuana and freeing many from prison who have been put there for victimless "crimes", would help us free ourselves a lot quicker from the prison industrial complex, and to raise a lot more revenue instead of wasting it on them and wasting so many people's lives in doing so as well.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
127. Yeah, it is THE big reason.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 04:36 AM
Aug 2015

And if one is looking at the "private prison industry" from a profit-driven perspective, I would think rational policies on the drug war (most of the DEA's budget goes towards 'fighting' the smoking of pot) would pose a threat.

A conflict of interest for anyone receiving lobbyist $$$ from them, if you ask me.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
51. Mrs. Clinton should state her prison reform plan & if she will continue with Os prison reform
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:20 AM
Aug 2015

Also both of them and everyone else running from all parties need a statement about, "Will they decriminalize just the plant"?, if President Obama doesn't by mandate.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
57. BlackLivesMatter disrupts Clinton rally
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:24 AM
Aug 2015

Why didn't they do this....oh... like at the beginning of the month? What took so long?

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
63. Hillary is Dem is not for private prisons, The GOP are for privatization of everything
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:56 PM
Aug 2015


BLM attacking friends, not the GOP
 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
78. Private prison lobbyists are top fundraisers for Clinton.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:26 PM
Aug 2015
Lobbyists for two major prison companies—Corrections Corporation of America and the Geo Group—are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. The implication is that laws governing crime and incarceration will deliver more inmates and profits to private prison companies if Clinton is elected.

Lee Fang reports at The Intercept:

Last week, Clinton and other candidates revealed a number of lobbyists who are serving as “bundlers” for their campaigns. Bundlers collect contributions on behalf of a campaign, and are often rewarded with special favors, such as access to the candidate.

Richard Sullivan, of the lobbying firm Capitol Counsel, is a bundler for the Clinton campaign, bringing in $44,859 in contributions in a few short months. Sullivan is also a registered lobbyist for the Geo Group, a company that operates a number of jails, including immigrant detention centers, for profit.

As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court.

Hillary Clinton has a complicated history with incarceration. As first lady, she championed efforts to get tough on crime. “We need more police, we need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders,” Clinton said in 1994. “The ‘three strikes and you’re out’ for violent offenders has to be part of the plan. We need more prisons to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets,” she added.

In recent months, Clinton has tacked left in some ways, and now calls for alternatives to incarceration and for greater police accountability. And while Clinton has backed a path to citizenship for undocumented people in America, she recently signaled a willingness to crack down on so-called “sanctuary cities,” a move that could lead to more immigrant detentions.


link: http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/private_prison_lobbyists_are_fundraising_for_hillary_clinton_20150724

katsy

(4,246 posts)
86. Good for BLM. any candidate
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:01 PM
Aug 2015

That supports slavery in the guise of private prisons should not be taken seriously.

Shut that crap down.

 

thebighobgoblin

(179 posts)
114. BLM is another Occupy
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 07:31 AM
Aug 2015

I agree with them in principle on a number of issues, but mass disruption didn't work out too well for the Democratic party in 1968 and it's not going to work well in 2016 either if it continues. Revolutionaries are strongest when they support the right ideas and when they conduct themselves with maturity.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
116. Anyone who wants to urge Hillary Clinton to stop using bundlers from the private prison complex
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:01 AM
Aug 2015

please read and sign:

Dear Secretary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee (DNC),
I'm calling on you to reject for-profit incarceration, disavow the private prison industry and oppose private prisons in your policy platforms. We are appalled that Secretary Clinton is using private prison industry lobbyists as "money bundlers" to raise huge sums of money for her presidential campaign. These bundlers are lobbyists from the same private prison companies that make billions from our broken and discriminatory criminal justice system by disproportionately locking up Black and brown people in the country's most dangerous prisons, for profit. And, influenced by the private prison lobby, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is required to keep at least 34,000 immigrants locked up (most in private prison owned facilities) at a cost to taxpayers of $2 billion per year! We expect more from those who seek our votes. We urge you to end your ties with the private prison industry immediately.


http://act.presente.org/sign/hillaryprisons/?sp_ref=142226949.166.15218.f.62830.2&referring_akid=1335.48016.8Me7aK&source=fb_sp

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