2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBreaking: #BlackLivesMatter Protesters Disrupt Hillary Clinton In Cleveland.
Can we finally put to bed the notion that #BlackLivesMatter only attacks Bernie?
There is no conspiracy to only go after Bernie.
Today in Cleveland:
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Black Lives Matter protesters disrupt Hillary Clinton: Stand with black trans women
by Jorge Rivas
August 27, 2015 1:44 p.m.
Black Lives Matters demonstrators shouting say her name disrupted a Hillary Clinton campaign stop in Cleveland on Thursday. The two women called on Clinton to divest from private prisons and invest in the liberation of black transgender women.
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The women said the disruption was part of a series of actions this week calling attention to the number of black transgender women who have been murdered this year. At least 20 transgender women have been killed this year, 14 of them black women. In nine of those cases, Fusion found last week, charges have been filed.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)What was Clinton doing that was "disrupted"?
I don't see anyone disrupting anything.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Was Clinton even speaking then?
moobu2
(4,822 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 27, 2015, 06:51 PM - Edit history (1)
It inst her fault people cant get as close to her as they can Bernie Sanders. She's a former First Lady and a former Secretary of State so it comes with the territory.
askew
(1,464 posts)For Secretaries don't get lifelong Secret Service protection. You are trying to make her sound more important than she actually is. Nancy Reagan gets Secret Service protection too.
GP6971
(31,163 posts)Secretaries of State don't have Secret Service protection. The State Department has their own security details.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)Wasn't a former Presidents wife
moobu2
(4,822 posts)stating her former positions? She was the first lady of the state of Arkansas, the First Lady of the United States, a U.S. Senator and the Secretary of State. She is important. I dont have to make her seem that way.
riversedge
(70,239 posts)....The women said the disruption was part of a series of actions this week calling attention to the number of black transgender women who have been murdered this year
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Sheesh! All you have to do is send an email to fusion.net or whoever and complain about the word "disrupted."
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Perhaps there are discussion forums on the internet where people can discuss things.
still_one
(92,213 posts)riversedge
(70,239 posts)"I will certainly be happy to meet with you later, but I am going to keep talking."
Hillary handled that well.
Tweets:
@danmericaCNN 22m22 minutes ago
Clinton in Cleveland: "Tamir Rice isnt here either. He should be. He should be healthy. He should be alive."
22 retweets 7 favorites
Dan Meri ?@danmericaCNN 21m21 minutes
HRC being interrupted by #BlackLivesMatter protesters: "I will certainly be happy to meet with you later, but I am going to keep talking."
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)riversedge
(70,239 posts)have not seen any follow-up --yet. But she did notice and hear the protester and did respond.
JI7
(89,250 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)She's nowhere near an event of any kind.
Either that, or it is the thinnest "crowd" ever gathered, since it is not even filled one-deep at that barricade. Plenty of elbow room and no one in front of anyone else.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Hillary Clinton shoved? That says so much.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)There is no comparison. I question if she was even there. No evidence on the video of her. Plus there appear to be only about 25 or so people in attendance. The "event" doesn't appear to be as it's represented here.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)getting shoved any less disturbing.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)You know full well the poster wasn't advocating for her to get shoved. The point is simply this: Sanders was disrupted to a much greater extent, so it's not fair to compare these 2 events.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)"Get back to us when they shove her, call her names, and refuse to relinquish the mic."
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Again, the poster isn't advocating that she get shoved. To suggest otherwise is either disingenuous or stupid. Yet again, the point was obvious or it should be anyway. One more time: suggesting that Clinton has now been equally disrupted by BLM is absurd. That doesn't mean anyone is wanting to see Clinton get shoved. It simply means there's no comparison between the way she was disrupted and the way Sanders was disrupted.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Yet somehow they don't think we can see through their game.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Anyone able to process the English language should understand that.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)and know so much already. That's adorable.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)You don't have to be a long-time DU poster to employ common sense. If you seriously think the person was advocating that Clinton get shoved, you're a fool. If you don't really believe that but want to suggest that that's the case, you're disingenuous at best and corrupt at worst.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)Disingenuous for 50 points . Also since when does time hung out in a forum = greater political knowledge . It does seem to impart the appearance that some people need to get out and breathe some air .
cali
(114,904 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)but, yes I would have a problem with it. Or with shoving any candidate, for that matter.
The fact that it won't be good enough for you until Hillary does get shoved is the problem.
riversedge
(70,239 posts)I did not see him shoved either. He stepped aside.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Clinton is so absurd that it is hard to see why you think that any Hillary supporter would join you in the gutter and endorse your smear. Show some self-respect and self-delete.
JI7
(89,250 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Bernie was shoved away from the podium by one of the young women ostensibly BLM in Seattle at the Medicare and SS event. You have a Google machine. Virtually all reporting substantiates this. You can't miss it, but if choose to pretend like it didn't happen as you are implying here, you will be ignored. I've had enough of the ridiculous efforts employed here to manipulate the truth. This isn't a game. Just knock it off.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Nobody shoved him.
You're mistaken.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts).... depths to which you are willing to stoop.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b48101284a4e4db191c8561de634ad94/black-lives-matter-activists-disrupt-bernie-sanders-speech
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/09/bernie-sanders-sidelined-in-seattle-as-black-lives-matter-activists-invade-stage
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/09/430919017/black-lives-matter-activists-commandeer-sanders-speech-in-seattle
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/not-first-disruptive-tactic-for-activist-who-hijacked-sanders-rally/
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You know he was not shoved by the protesters.
Just accept reality.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)He stepped aside.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)More of that. If anyone needs to be disrupted by BLM, it's Clinton.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)It's about consistency.
riversedge
(70,239 posts)riversedge
(70,239 posts)Hillary handled that well.
Tweets:
@danmericaCNN 22m22 minutes ago
Clinton in Cleveland: "Tamir Rice isnt here either. He should be. He should be healthy. He should be alive."
22 retweets 7 favorites
Dan Meri ?@danmericaCNN 21m21 minutes
HRC being interrupted by #BlackLivesMatter protesters: "I will certainly be happy to meet with you later, but I am going to keep talking."
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)True civil rights must come first.
Very, very good.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)African Americans thugs. I haven't seen it yet. Has it happened?
randys1
(16,286 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Mwahahahaha. You only *think* they are protesting HRC.
Seriously though, glad BLM is keeping the pressure on, and also highlighting the crisis of Black transgender women being attacked and killed. I remember one year when it seemed that one woman a day was being murdered.
JI7
(89,250 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Those crazed, hysterical, unhinged women did to Bernie.
So no equivalent.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)I saw angry, loud women but none that seemed crazed, hysterical or unhinged.
ETA: Or was that sarcasm? I can't tell anymore.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)For all of those who cried "Bernie was assaulted!"
And those who have called those women every name in the book.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)I honestly need this moment of sanity you just gave me.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)If they had done that to Hillary, Secret Service would have been completely unrestrained in stopping them, and they'd probably end up charged with something.
RandySF
(58,884 posts)Nor would I call on the guard to "taze her", unlike others.
msrizzo
(796 posts)I support BLM's right to disrupt and protest all they want.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)sheshe2
(83,785 posts)I hope they show up often.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)activists and they did an absolutely great job of responding to her challenge to frame the issues in terms of policy solutions. I don't know what purpose it serves to disrupt her speech. I fully support my BLM brothers and sisters but disruptive activism at a candidate's presidential event to the point where the candidate cannot speak is not okay with me. I think you contact her team scheudle a meetings and work with her team to incorporate BLM policy initiatives into her platform. Presidential candidates like Presidents work in a collaborative leadership environment. I think BLM needs some mentoring in this regard because I'm not sure they always understand the broader political landscape.
randys1
(16,286 posts)they or anyone is doing.
Non violent protest against tremendous violence.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)but if they primarily focus on Dems it makes WAY more sense.
1. cons hate them, period. will NEVER try to do the right thing
2. dems are likely to do the right thing even if they have to be pressured into doing it
3. more likely a dem will be next prez, all the more reason for BLM to target dems
Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)I don't know why it is so hard for some people to understand this. The activists involved in the previous disruptions have tried to explain this themselves in various interviews but some refuse to listen.
For example:
DAUNASIA YANCEY: Yeah. But, well, every presidential candidate should expect to hear from us and expect to be held accountable. Its actually a practice called "power mapping," where its similar to lobbying, where you actually map whos closest to you on the issue and go to those folks first in order to force them to articulate their stance and then hold them accountable to it. So this movement is very strategic, and thats what weve been doing.
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/8/19/when_black_lives_matter_met_clinton
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)Their frontrunner just got endorsed by the kkk David Duke.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)And I am not going to act like a crybaby because my candidate got shouted at.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Candidates opponents.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)video of activists screaming in her face threatening to shut her down and then doing so.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I Will Not target posters because they have questions about my candidate.
Btw my candidate has secret service protection so it would be very hard to get close to her.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)I think you've been targeting posters in this subthread who have questions about HRC.
BTW, you say HRC has Secret Service and that makes it difficult to get close, but #BlackLivesMatters stares down Ferguson cops with guns, dogs, and tear gas and were arrested. The Secret Service, as far as I know, have never killed or hurt a protester who got close to a sitting President. Heck, John Hinckley, was merely tackled.
The BLM activists at NN2015 and at Seattle risked arrest to make their point. Not so much in the OP.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)If you have proof I am targeting posters then post it.
I am saying I am not going to make a fool of myself like others have on this topic.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)All some HC supporters do is "act like crybabies" because those horrible Bernie supporters just won't leave Hillary alone.
But it's perfectly acceptable for them to call Bernie a racist, misogynist, gun nut, draft dodger, etc.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Either she's not even at an event, or it is the thinnest crowd ever gathered.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Has anyone come up with any other video? Surely there would be tons taken at a live event. I'd love to know what was happening contemporaneously on stage.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)BainsBane
(53,034 posts)to put an end to this horrendous epidemic of police killings of African Americans.
ismnotwasm
(41,986 posts)They are an incredible activist movement and I stand with #BLM
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,986 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,986 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)There is a man in a suit - I don't see Hillary anywhere in the video.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Well then. You see how effective they were? They disrupted Hillary right outta there.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)I've managed to consistently disrupt Hillary out of my bathroom.
Cheers!
romanic
(2,841 posts)It was more heckling than anything, call me when one of the BLM activists has the balls to go on stage in front of Hillary (and her SS). I'll be waiting at the phone (for what may be a while)
jfern
(5,204 posts)SS would immediately take out a threat like those bullies in Seattle.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)"Why doesn't BLM protest shove Hillary?
demosincebirth
(12,537 posts)this backassward.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)This is like a Where's Wally only we have to find the Politician ....... nope can't see the banded hat . Are you sure you got the right video ? Not a Clinton to be seen .
Response to TheFarS1de (Reply #104)
AtomicKitten This message was self-deleted by its author.
eridani
(51,907 posts)One is a young woman shouting about the deaths of transgender women of color and private prisons. Both hugely serious problems that need shouting about and much more, but I'm not seeing any temporal link between what they are saying and any kind of campaign event. Looking at another video of Clinton giving a speech in front of an American flag background.
What is it that links the two videos? Are there other videos available that could show some kind of connection? Please post if so.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)from somebody's cell phone.
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)This is beyond necessary and it's time to step it up.
First comment when I pulled up the second video.
"Bitch your fifteen minutes are UP.
You cut Bernie Sanders you cut your own fool self.
And reparations??? You better get in line, take a number and have a Coke and a smile honey because if ANY reperations were to be made, they would be made to NATIVE AMERICANS first."
This is what we are up against.