2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI'm sorry, this does NOT look to me like a "battle-tested candidate" who can "withstand scrutiny"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/18/hillary-clinton-wont-say-if-her-server-was-wiped/After Ed Henry of Fox News pressed Clinton on the issue repeatedly, an aide ended the question-and-answer session and Clinton turned to walk away. Another reporter shouted a question about whether the e-mail issue will ever go away. Clinton turned and shrugged.
...really? She's gonna play the befuddled grandma shtick, who has to ask her daughter how to program the DVR? This is Hillary God-Damn Rodham, the Wellesley Commencement speaker, voice of a generation, Watergate Lawyer, Secretary of State, who sat Steely-eyed in the Situation Room as Seal Team 6 got Osama Bin Laden.
We all know she's smart.
We're supposed to believe she doesn't know what "wipe a server" means? Really?
Ruth Marcus: Stop Digging
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)Everything okay?
onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)Please! And I'm not even an HRC supporter.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)You're in denial of you think this isn't a problem, sorry.
onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)When republicans were doing it as well. When they start asking for email from republicans who did it as well, I might take them serious. This is more IOKIYAR bullshit. I support Bernie 100% and still believe this is complete bullshit.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Because you gotta admit, her performance so far has left a bit to be desired. Making jokes about snapchat, etc. isn't gonna cut it, I think.
onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)This fake scandal is just bullshit though.
George II
(67,782 posts)....looking like he doesn't know where he is (a la Seattle)
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)First, you claimed there were only 9,000 people at his Portland rally and now you're spouting off about Bernie not participating in Q & As.
Here's one he did at the end of July: http://www.eventbrite.com/e/qa-session-with-presidential-candidate-bernie-sanders-tickets-17897452763
He had a town hall tonight, in New Hampshire, as a matter of fact.
Hang it up, George, until you learn to use Google.
George II
(67,782 posts)If you recall, the photograph that accompanied the article boasting about the 20,000+ people who attended showed the entire second level (about half of the 19,000 capacity building) as being EMPTY. If there were as many people as boasted, why didn't the article show the building when it was full (if it ever was)?
From the photograph, the only real gauge of the crowd, there weren't many more than 9,000 people. If there were more, they showed up after the photograph was taken.
As to the Q&As, the last one he held was a month ago? And the one tonight, I believe, was only the second real Town Hall he's conducted since his campaign began?
Now I'm sure you'll dive into Google to prove me (marginally) wrong.
840high
(17,196 posts)ALBliberal
(2,342 posts)Standing respectfully by as his speech is commandeered by activists with no warning? Shriveled up in a corner? Ageism.
840high
(17,196 posts)Thinkingabout
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earthside
(6,960 posts)Hillary is not a very good campaigner and she has always been terrible with press conferences, Congressional testimony, one-on-ones, etc.
She doesn't give a very good stump speech, either.
It doesn't matter if a Democrat or a Republican or an unaffiliated voter makes this observation about Hillary ... she just isn't a very talented candidate.
The Hillaryites ought to just embrace her faults and argue some other point about why she should be President.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You're harshing his gleeful anticipation, don't you see?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I think she may very well end up being the nominee, in which case she's gonna need to do a better job on this kind of stuff.
Imagining that the WaPo and Ruth Marcus - or people like me, for that matter- are 'just out to get her' is a very bad sign for her campaign.
MADem
(135,425 posts)but maybe not quite as much as you'd hoped.
She's a pro--she can outwait and outwit the goaders and baiters.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)You honestly think that lame snapchat jokes and pretending to be clueless about what "wipe a server" means, is "dealing with it like a pro"?
Lastly, man- create a kerfluffle in GD: P? Oh, heavens, we wouldnt want that, now.
If it wasnt for me, the beautiful sanguine calm of all the threads here bemoaning the urgent "problem" of Sanders' elite, libertarian, volvo driving, arugula eating, latte smoking, phony liberal, white supremacist, grateful dead listening, hat wearing, mom-attending rallies with, teabagger, old white dude supporters would be blissfully undisturbed, I guess.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)How dare you?!?
MADem
(135,425 posts)(insert symbol for jerking off) gesture while keeping the conversation PG. In sum, she was being dismissive while snarking, politely.
Your deep concern for her well being, though....it's touching.
But your last paragraph is really what this thread is all about--you're seeking some kind of tit-for-tat "revenge" against anyone who might be talking about the urgent "problem" of Sanders' elite, libertarian, volvo driving, arugula eating, latte smoking, phony liberal, white supremacist, grateful dead listening, hat wearing, mom-attending rallies with, teabagger, old white dude supporters....
That's probably not a winning groove, either. But hey, if it means that much to you to keep beating that drum, to Keep Mope Alive in that regard, carry on....
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Someone posting some ad hominem anecdotal bullshit basically listing all the things wrong with "the crowds" at Sanders rallies, like from the highly regarded news division at buzzfeed, though... No, no shit-stirring there.
I mean, I know buzzfeed's opinion on how COMPLETELY uncool it is to have 50something grateful dead fans in the crowd at your rally is important, but in terms of political reporting the Washington Post does still carry some weight.
Lastly, you can believe me or not believe me, I want our nominee to win, If that's HRC, I want her to win. But she's not displaying these supposedly unbeatable political chops, not in that Vegas clip. She looked flustered, and evasive.
MADem
(135,425 posts)That's not "news" any more, it's "Olds!" I don't think most people found her flustered--they found her humorous.
You're beating a dead horse. This is DU, we're usually out in front of stuff--not five or six days behind.
Our nominee will win. No worries. And she'll do a great job, too!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The Ruth Marcus piece is from Friday, today is Sunday. I've been sucking in wildfire smoke all weekend, so apologies if I'm not Lightning McQueen enough for ya.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You can keep beating the dead horse all you'd like, if it means that much to you, but repetition gets monotonous after five or six days. It's a bit one-note.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I hadn't seen the clip of her speaking in Vegas, until today. What made it interesting to me is that it directly flies in the face of what is often touted as one of HRC's big strengths- namely, her alleged teflon-like ability to withstand questions and attacks, and her supposedly finely honed political instincts and skills.
I didn't see any of that, in that clip. I also didn't find her jokes all that funny.
Marcus is right, she needs to do a better job on this stuff. If I'm beating a dead horse here, I'm doing her a favor, because it's clearly not going away, and unlike Benghazi there does actually seem to be some question as to the solidity of her judgment around some decisions she- or her staff- actually made.
Her favorability ratings have gone down. Maybe instead of circling the wagons against imaginary "enemies" all the while pretending that the campaign and candidate are peachy perfect 100% as is, maybe now is a good time to ask how these things could be done better, given that it's only August of 2015 and there's still plenty of time to course correct?
People here had no problem telling Bernie Sanders exactly where they thought he could do better- and I suspect his campaign is the better for it. But apparently it's blasphemy if anyone suggests the same for Hillary.
I guess a lot of it depends on whether Hillary's camp wants to actually win voter support, or demand it/expect it by default. The latter was what she did in 2008, and it didn't work out so well.
MADem
(135,425 posts)If it makes you happy to keep saying the same thing, over, and over, and over again, then knock yourself out.
The older your links get, though, the more it appears that you're grinding an ax.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)There will be 20 kabillion republican ads in a short time about this subject. She needs to get on top of it asap before it is engraved in peoples minds as fact. I can see them now. What was she hiding? How can she be trusted? I hope her advisers get on top of this today.
riversedge
(70,238 posts)silly of me--but I keep hoping.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Except when the same old story is repeatedly used to attack!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Seriously, this forum is called GD: Primaries. Were it called GD: General, you might have a point.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)A lot of folks are lost without a sarcasm emoji handy.....
Clinton wounding the delicate flowers at Fox News with a Fox News whore asking Fox News questions is why this is even a story in the mass media.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Or is that the 800 pound gorilla you're hoping will just fade away?
840high
(17,196 posts)no pc knowledge.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)the same.
Sanders is 6 years older by the way..can I call him "little gramps"?
Tunnel vision they call it.
Some folks just do not get sarcasm.....am I right?
840high
(17,196 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Huh.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Maybe ignoring shitty reporters would be better than being flip?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)fox news. enough said.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Please refrain from backhanded 'compliments'.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Ruth Marcus?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)really warren? it was a stupid outrage. own it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The point is not who asked her the original question, it's how she handles it, and has tried to blow it off with lame jokes.
It's not working, and I'm not the only one who has noticed. Ignoring this isn't going to make it go away. I said elsewhere in the thread, I think she may very well be our nominee, as such I have a vested interest in her dealing with this stuff appropriately and seriously, because it could become a problem. As noted, again, by liberal editorial writers, it already IS becoming one.
Again, The WaPo is not FOX News.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Maybe you can tell me who put the ooh mau mau in the shama lama ding dong, while you're at it.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I realize I'm an endlessly fascinating topic, of course.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)This is like bush1 when he saw a supermarket scanner and was amazed.
Well, in fairness, she doesn't get or she just doesn't care.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I guess you can tell I don't watch fox AT ALL?
Or one could say Hillary is like bush who was looking under his desk for WMD.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Ed Henry a question and answer,forget it. Not going to happen,her aides are watching for gotcha moments and anything Roger Ailes or Rove. Appears Fake Noise is not going to get answers. Payback is a bitch baby.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Why would anyone at DU use a Fox News plant to attack a Democratic Party leader, is the better question!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)screen name on this thread. Should have called them out earlier,after rereading the original,seen this same tag on another site.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Well, Sherlock, it's the name of a drunken monkey puppet from an IFC show circa 2008ish, which was the last time DU had a name change. It's dated, now.. But whoever you're thinking of, it ain't me. I'm only "warren demontague" on DU.
But a valiant effort at changing the subject, nonetheless.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Greg The Bunny was 2002. I always liked your screen name and the old avatar back in the day. I was a fan of the show.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It was between this, and "Count Blah"
It had it's moments, for sure. And, I guess Sarah Silverman is a Bernie supporter, so MAYBE IT IS A GIANT CONSPIRACY!!!!!!
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)First in 2002 on FOX (where I first watched it) for one season, and then in 05-06 on IFC for two new seasons.
And Count Blah was great, but Warren and Greg were my favorite characters. Nothing like a drugged up ape and a mischievous bunny to make the young stoner I was at the time laugh hysterically.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Perhaps you've heard of it.
And Ruth Marcus isn't exactly a right winger.
It's not who asks the questions, it's how she answers them- or doesn't.
We've been told for months how she's gonna eat right wing attackers for breakfast. ...I'm not seeing it here.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I do believe I recall the posters who are so upset by this article gleefully applauding a hit piece calling Sanders supporters all kinds of vile things just this morning.
What goes around...
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)If she is the nominee she's gonna need to do a better job with this stuff, I think.
chillfactor
(7,576 posts)give it a rest already....what a waste of space.....
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Vinca
(50,273 posts)Many voters will be waiting for the outcome before deciding on a candidate and it would be prudent not to alienate them beforehand.
ismnotwasm
(41,984 posts)This is old shit. If you're gonna get into the mix, find something new, actually newsworthy and startling.
(Hint: it was a joke, a testy response to tired and lame email questions, I mean seriously, what is she supposed to say "fuck off you fucking Moron I've answered that fucking question 50 fucking times already-- get a fucking life"?)
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I'm not kidding.
She needs to shut this shit down, I say this not because I'm out to get her, but because I actually think she may very well be the nom and I want our nom to win. If the Washington Post and Ruth Marcus are out there this week talking about it, it's still a current problem. She needs to do better than snapchat jokes on this.
I think there's a good amount of reflexive evasion and obfuscation baked into the DNA of the Clintons' approach to politics- understandable, given their history- but the defense mechanism could itself become a problem.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Maybe a goofball response "with a cloth?" doesn't cut it.
Maybe her people saying that the Republicans have done it, and she takes their moral lead so why don't you focus on them, doesn't cut it.
Maybe the issue is bigger than her. Maybe the issue is accountability and the fact that both D's and R's play the same game to the same ends is the problem, and maybe "the R's do it, so it's good to go" isn't anybody's magical get-out-of-jail-free card.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Terrible campaign run by a terrible candidate.
We are just luck she is imploding now instead of after winning the nomination.
840high
(17,196 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)No other text necessary.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)because the press has fixated on this stupid fake scandal and she had answered the same question 50 times.