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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:52 PM Aug 2015

Howard Dean: Hillary Email Scandal Manufactured by GOP and ‘Bored’ Press

He's absolutely right.

It's a shame to see Bernie supporters trying to pick up and run with a 'scandal' manufactured by the GOP and the corporate media.

From MTP:

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Howard Dean went to bat for Hillary Clinton on Meet the Press today, praising her handling of her email scandal and dismissing it as a pure invention.

Questions have continued to swirl about classified emails on Clinton’s private server and whether she lied about possessing classified emails, but Dean told Chuck Todd that Clinton’s answers have been “steady” and not evolving.

He said, “This is, in fact, manufactured partly by a press that’s bored and partly by the Republicans.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/howard-dean-hillary-email-scandal-manufactured-by-gop-and-bored-press/

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Howard Dean: Hillary Email Scandal Manufactured by GOP and ‘Bored’ Press (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 OP
Any port in a storm. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #1
Um, it ain't just "Bernie supporters" anymore tularetom Aug 2015 #2
They're all about *blaming* someone else. delrem Aug 2015 #31
I agree! StoneCarver Aug 2015 #35
even if it is manufactured, so what? really? chills down your spine cause she was snarky to fox news seabeyond Aug 2015 #39
omg... you bring up a media bullshit headline as an attack on clinton just as media did. what a seabeyond Aug 2015 #38
Right. Wing. Conspiracy. I don't call it paranoia. I call it common sense. McCamy Taylor Aug 2015 #56
And the IGs of a few alphabet soups nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #3
And bloggers like yourself. zappaman Aug 2015 #19
I got the power to sink a campaign? COOL nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #20
I feel this pretty well characterizes the majority of Bernie supporters rock Aug 2015 #4
Retreads, yes, like her vote for the Iraq War, her pushing for Vattel Aug 2015 #27
Gotta be the dumbest move ever made by the FBI jeepers Aug 2015 #5
Actually, the FBI is investigating the process of classification, not Hillary leftofcool Aug 2015 #8
Hillary is the Democratic front runner and she will win the nomination. leftofcool Aug 2015 #6
I am concerned that the DU has become a board to bash Hillary lewebley3 Aug 2015 #15
Im worried also Keep-Left Aug 2015 #16
Howard Dean can see past the crap. When the best the anti Hillary people is the email story Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #7
Good for Dean for refusing to play the sufrommich Aug 2015 #9
What I don't understand is... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #10
Can't help you ibegurpard Aug 2015 #12
It's funny, innit? Especially in light of the fact the FBI only investigates CRIMES... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #13
Let me give the two of you a hand, the FBI Darb Aug 2015 #22
Someone accused Hillary Clinton of being a spy? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #25
That's how you act, like she's a spy, with all your Darb Aug 2015 #48
Oh no. I don't act like she's a spy. I act like she's not capable of good judgment... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #49
"Not capable of good judgement." Nitram Aug 2015 #50
Ohhhhkay. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #51
It's been proven time and again frylock Aug 2015 #54
The FBI does not "only investigate crimes." SunSeeker Aug 2015 #30
The press is mischaraterizing what the FBI is doing, as are you. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #28
Clearly, Obama's DoJ is in the tank for the Republicans frylock Aug 2015 #53
Seems to be the only safe assumption LOL n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #55
And largely of Hillary's own making. she knew that cali Aug 2015 #11
No the Email story was made up by the GOP and The Newyorktimes; lewebley3 Aug 2015 #14
And yet handled VERY poorly by the Clinton campaign short circuit Aug 2015 #21
Unfavorables for ACA, Iran Nuclear deal are very high. Care to explain WHY corpmedia blm Aug 2015 #26
Not poorly handle: The Clinton's are under attack by the GOP: The GOP are running the NewTimes lewebley3 Aug 2015 #42
Yes. Poorly handled. short circuit Aug 2015 #43
No the FBI is not investigating the issues: there are no issues: Just a GOP attack lewebley3 Aug 2015 #46
Says otherwise. short circuit Aug 2015 #47
While the good Doctor is right, HRC's actions with this are what's doing the damage. apnu Aug 2015 #17
Excuse me. You just said "Hillary's skirt is too short" only in different words. McCamy Taylor Aug 2015 #57
Nope apnu Aug 2015 #59
I'd like to remind both Hilary AND Bernie supporters that... TrollBuster9090 Aug 2015 #18
Howard, you are giving Hillary really bad advice. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #23
K&R mahalo Cali Cha Aug 2015 #24
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2015 #29
And the truth shall set ye free. oasis Aug 2015 #32
Then why did she have the server wiped? Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #33
Bingo! RiverLover Aug 2015 #36
It is an utterly bullshit diversion from important issues n/t eridani Aug 2015 #34
The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Aug 2015 #37
+ 1 JoePhilly Aug 2015 #40
Yawn...I support Sanders, and I agree this is bs noiretextatique Aug 2015 #41
I wish Dean was still head of the DNC. We need him. yardwork Aug 2015 #44
Just like the Clinton Presidency years all over again. Ken Starr and his scandal after scandal. Yawn Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #45
I support Bernie libodem Aug 2015 #52
Someone tell me. Does this make Howard Dean a member of the "Axis of Evil"? McCamy Taylor Aug 2015 #58
THANK GOD! bobGandolf Aug 2015 #60
HRC's "email problem" is a big fat nothing that is being pushed as being something. Botany Aug 2015 #61

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
2. Um, it ain't just "Bernie supporters" anymore
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:06 PM
Aug 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12812607

Whatever it is, its been made a lot worse by the paranoia and evasiveness she has displayed since it came up.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
31. They're all about *blaming* someone else.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 01:49 AM
Aug 2015

Like Bernie, or "Bernie supporters", for the legs that Clinton scandals grow.
As if "Bernie supporters" had control of the MSM.
Or were even heard from on the MSM.

Jeez - talk about out of touch.

And wow, do the Clintons ever produce scandals.

There's so much that we can't even discuss on DU about the Clintons, it's so fucking low.


 

StoneCarver

(249 posts)
35. I agree!
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:05 AM
Aug 2015

Even if it is manufactured a reporter asked Hillary if "she wiped the server before giving it to the FBI". Her response sent chills down my spine. "What do you mean? With a cloth?" (and then a fake laugh) WTF? Who answers like that? Bernie would never answer like that. It reminded me of "it depends on the definition of the word 'is' is".
Stonecarver

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
39. even if it is manufactured, so what? really? chills down your spine cause she was snarky to fox news
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:31 AM
Aug 2015
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
38. omg... you bring up a media bullshit headline as an attack on clinton just as media did. what a
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:30 AM
Aug 2015

fuckin hoot.

watch the video.

omalley was shoving the bullshit attack clinton on email to the side.

at least go beyond a fuckin head line. look at what omalley really said, and better, watch the video to see what he was REALLY saying.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
3. And the IGs of a few alphabet soups
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:08 PM
Aug 2015

And DOJ.

I guess this talking point will continue until morale improves

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
20. I got the power to sink a campaign? COOL
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 07:51 PM
Aug 2015

did not know I could be both that powerful and insignificant at the same time.



things one learns about oneself on the internets that one did not know about oneself. Honest, you give me both too much credit and very little credit at the same time.

rock

(13,218 posts)
4. I feel this pretty well characterizes the majority of Bernie supporters
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:08 PM
Aug 2015

As most of their criticisms of Hillary are Republican re-treads (mostly disproven or trivial ones at that).

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
27. Retreads, yes, like her vote for the Iraq War, her pushing for
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:01 PM
Aug 2015

higher force levels in Afghanistan, her support for the war in Libya, her silence on torture, her lobbying for get-tough-on-crime policies that led to mass incarceration of AAs, her support for bankruptcy reform, her pre-evolution opposition to marriage equality, her lies about sniper fire, her vote for the Patriot Act, . . .

jeepers

(314 posts)
5. Gotta be the dumbest move ever made by the FBI
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:08 PM
Aug 2015

Imagine the FBI pressing an investigation of their future boss based on a GOP and press backed phony scandal.


You would think that any career minded investigator would think twice and be sure of their facts before accusing and investigating a politico of such high standing.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
8. Actually, the FBI is investigating the process of classification, not Hillary
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:10 PM
Aug 2015

But, you are correct, it has still been brought on by a phony scandal

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
6. Hillary is the Democratic front runner and she will win the nomination.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:09 PM
Aug 2015

Since she is in that position, manufactured scandals by the GOP will continue and DUers will continue to fall for it.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
7. Howard Dean can see past the crap. When the best the anti Hillary people is the email story
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:10 PM
Aug 2015

is "something" to talk about, while they are talking about this then issues we are facing and a plan to handle them. It allows those without a plan from getting a plan together and release it to the public.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
10. What I don't understand is...
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:31 PM
Aug 2015

How the press manufactures an FBI investigation.

Can you explain that to me? Isn't the FBI under the jurisdiction of the DOJ which is an Executive Branch agency headed by the Attorney General of the United States?

How does anything the press does affect who and when the FBI opens an investigation? The Attorney General is tasked with deciding who and when investigations happen according to Title XXVIII of the US Code. Did she decide to investigate because someone in the press suggested it?

Help me out here.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
13. It's funny, innit? Especially in light of the fact the FBI only investigates CRIMES...
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:45 PM
Aug 2015

And not lapses in ethics or judgment.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
22. Let me give the two of you a hand, the FBI
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 08:25 PM
Aug 2015

is investigating it for the EXACT purpose of finding no wrongdoing, because there isn't any, but the Pubes will scream it to high heaven anyway forever, but sane people will be fine with it. In due course, they will come out and say that it might have been a little unwise to do it but no harm, no foul, Hillary is not a spy.

Vulcan derrrrrr. I cannot wait to see the Teaheads cry, but the Bernie people are loading up on this farce too. You should be advised, this is going away soon enough and those that whined and cried about it are going to look foolish.

A word to the wise is sufficient thereof.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
25. Someone accused Hillary Clinton of being a spy?
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 08:41 PM
Aug 2015

You type shit like that, and expect me to take your "word to the wise"?

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
48. That's how you act, like she's a spy, with all your
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 07:07 PM
Aug 2015

bullshit about her server. Tell me, what the fuck did she do exactly that you have your panties in such a wad over?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
49. Oh no. I don't act like she's a spy. I act like she's not capable of good judgment...
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 07:22 PM
Aug 2015

And unable to give straight answers even on a dare.

While we're at it I'll go ahead and say that I think Libya is a failed state and Syria is a quagmire whose leader my government said "must go" way back in 2011 and that The Honorable Secretary of State's hand prints are all over both.

Testy aren't we {shiver}.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
30. The FBI does not "only investigate crimes."
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 01:48 AM
Aug 2015

You are apparently unaware of the broad range of things DOJ does, many having nothing to do with prosecuting crimes. They are not investigating a crime in this instance. They are resolving an issue between two agencies over classification of emails to be produced in response to FOIA requests.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
28. The press is mischaraterizing what the FBI is doing, as are you.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 01:40 AM
Aug 2015

The FBI is not investigating Hillary. They are trying to sort out a disagreement between two government agencies over what should be classified. The disagreement came up because the State Department has to produce Hillary emails in response to FOIA requests. It wants to produce everything that is not marked classified, but apparently DOJ disagrees with some of those determinations that items are not classified.

That is what Howard Dean, and anyone who knows what is actually going on, has been trying to explain. But many Bernie supporters have been more than happy to run with the Fox spin on the story, or the thoroughly debunked NY Times version of the story.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. And largely of Hillary's own making. she knew that
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:37 PM
Aug 2015

she'd likely be running for president. Not to mention.that she's handling it poorly.

But Howard is an asset to her campaign.

blm

(113,063 posts)
26. Unfavorables for ACA, Iran Nuclear deal are very high. Care to explain WHY corpmedia
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 08:48 PM
Aug 2015

chooses to run with the sensationalistic false narratives of the GOP machine instead of the simple truths?

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
42. Not poorly handle: The Clinton's are under attack by the GOP: The GOP are running the NewTimes
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:28 AM
Aug 2015

The Clinton's are the Dem's chance at white house, the GOP have
1 billion to spend attacking Hillary: The GOP can purchase any
story the want to sell, the Koch can buy or any journalists in
America.

The New York times is an example of this: they use their own
reporters to rumors from the GOP: This was the mold they use with
Judy Miller and Dick Cheney to sell the war, he would give
Judy a lie, and then Cheney would site the New York Story he
planted. Even today Miller says she is not responsible for
the lies she printed leading up to the war. She hold her sources
liable.

In the email story, New York times wrongly printed Hillary
was under criminal investigation: they had to back track,
but not before the had done the damage to Hillary on the GOP
behalf.

 

short circuit

(145 posts)
43. Yes. Poorly handled.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 02:38 PM
Aug 2015

The FBI is still investigating the issues.

She should have addressed it before the campaign, and she didn't. As a result, it'll be an albatross. It's going to get worse as a result, because people who hears 'classified' and 'email' will think Clinton can't be trusted to be the President of the United States, and is actually trying to buy her election.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
17. While the good Doctor is right, HRC's actions with this are what's doing the damage.
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 04:47 PM
Aug 2015

its not the email server that's killing her. Her campaign's horrible, secretive, out-of-touch, aloof response that's making HRC look like hell over it.

Its the old political trick: give the other guy all the rope and room to hang themselves. HRC's hanging herself on it right now.

Its a damn shame. She should be smarter than that.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
57. Excuse me. You just said "Hillary's skirt is too short" only in different words.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 01:37 AM
Aug 2015

In what way will Hillary being "smarter" keep the press and the GOP from manufacturing stories about her? In no way.

It's pretty sad when even DU starts to blame the victim.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
59. Nope
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 01:46 AM
Aug 2015

I'm referring to her secrecy on the issue and her awkward responses. If she was decisive out of the gate on it, this would be yet another non-issue.

It really is a non-issue. Even the Justice Department says she didn't do anything wrong while she was SoS.

Hillary is very smart, her long political career, even before Bill Clinton shows that. But how she's handled this is wrong footed. That's why she should be "smarter". She's got the experience and wisdom, especially after the endless "scandals" manufactured in the 1990s, to know how to deal with such things. She has to know they will never stop making stuff up about her, hell they do it to Obama daily. Its what the GOP's done since Poppy lost the White House.

We know the GOP will make stuff up, they will test her, every day, we all know that. I'm talking about how she handles her responses. The GOP is so bad at this they telegraph their attacks like the amateurs they are. By now she should know how to deal with this stuff. Especially after the endless Benghazi crap they make up. But as it is, with this issue, she's fumbling and its impacting her numbers.

You should know more about what a person is talking about before accusing them of being sexist.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
18. I'd like to remind both Hilary AND Bernie supporters that...
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 07:31 PM
Aug 2015
Howard Dean would make a DAMNED GOOD VP CANDIDATE!

Or a DAMNED GOOD CHIEF OF STAFF!


Just sayin'

And, although they come from different parts of the political spectrum, Howard Dean, Wesley Clark, and Bill Richardson are three Democratic Party assets that have been shamelessly WASTED by the Democratic Party establishment.
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
33. Then why did she have the server wiped?
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 06:00 AM
Aug 2015

No, I don't mean with a cloth.

It could have been unplugged and stored. That didn't happen. There was a deliberate attempt to destroy information on it.

Then she fought turning it over for ~5 months.

Even if there really is nothing there there, she is acting guilty. When you are running for President and a clear majority of Americans think you are not trustworthy, that is a problem.





SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
37. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary...
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:15 AM
Aug 2015

and their reporting of "scandals" have much in common.

Sid

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
45. Just like the Clinton Presidency years all over again. Ken Starr and his scandal after scandal. Yawn
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 05:21 PM
Aug 2015

Don't blame Bernie. It's the main stream billionaire owned media and their minions the GOP.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
58. Someone tell me. Does this make Howard Dean a member of the "Axis of Evil"?
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 01:38 AM
Aug 2015

Since he is standing behind Clinton in this matter, I am guessing that the character assassination of a man who did NOT vote for the war in Iraq is only moments away. Popcorn waiting.

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