2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHoward Dean: Hillary Email Scandal Manufactured by GOP and ‘Bored’ Press
He's absolutely right.
It's a shame to see Bernie supporters trying to pick up and run with a 'scandal' manufactured by the GOP and the corporate media.
From MTP:
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Howard Dean went to bat for Hillary Clinton on Meet the Press today, praising her handling of her email scandal and dismissing it as a pure invention.
Questions have continued to swirl about classified emails on Clintons private server and whether she lied about possessing classified emails, but Dean told Chuck Todd that Clintons answers have been steady and not evolving.
He said, This is, in fact, manufactured partly by a press thats bored and partly by the Republicans.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/howard-dean-hillary-email-scandal-manufactured-by-gop-and-bored-press/
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Whatever it is, its been made a lot worse by the paranoia and evasiveness she has displayed since it came up.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Like Bernie, or "Bernie supporters", for the legs that Clinton scandals grow.
As if "Bernie supporters" had control of the MSM.
Or were even heard from on the MSM.
Jeez - talk about out of touch.
And wow, do the Clintons ever produce scandals.
There's so much that we can't even discuss on DU about the Clintons, it's so fucking low.
StoneCarver
(249 posts)Even if it is manufactured a reporter asked Hillary if "she wiped the server before giving it to the FBI". Her response sent chills down my spine. "What do you mean? With a cloth?" (and then a fake laugh) WTF? Who answers like that? Bernie would never answer like that. It reminded me of "it depends on the definition of the word 'is' is".
Stonecarver
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)fuckin hoot.
watch the video.
omalley was shoving the bullshit attack clinton on email to the side.
at least go beyond a fuckin head line. look at what omalley really said, and better, watch the video to see what he was REALLY saying.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And DOJ.
I guess this talking point will continue until morale improves
zappaman
(20,606 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)did not know I could be both that powerful and insignificant at the same time.
things one learns about oneself on the internets that one did not know about oneself. Honest, you give me both too much credit and very little credit at the same time.
rock
(13,218 posts)As most of their criticisms of Hillary are Republican re-treads (mostly disproven or trivial ones at that).
Vattel
(9,289 posts)higher force levels in Afghanistan, her support for the war in Libya, her silence on torture, her lobbying for get-tough-on-crime policies that led to mass incarceration of AAs, her support for bankruptcy reform, her pre-evolution opposition to marriage equality, her lies about sniper fire, her vote for the Patriot Act, . . .
jeepers
(314 posts)Imagine the FBI pressing an investigation of their future boss based on a GOP and press backed phony scandal.
You would think that any career minded investigator would think twice and be sure of their facts before accusing and investigating a politico of such high standing.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)But, you are correct, it has still been brought on by a phony scandal
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Since she is in that position, manufactured scandals by the GOP will continue and DUers will continue to fall for it.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Keep-Left
(66 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)is "something" to talk about, while they are talking about this then issues we are facing and a plan to handle them. It allows those without a plan from getting a plan together and release it to the public.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)"I'm concerned" game.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)How the press manufactures an FBI investigation.
Can you explain that to me? Isn't the FBI under the jurisdiction of the DOJ which is an Executive Branch agency headed by the Attorney General of the United States?
How does anything the press does affect who and when the FBI opens an investigation? The Attorney General is tasked with deciding who and when investigations happen according to Title XXVIII of the US Code. Did she decide to investigate because someone in the press suggested it?
Help me out here.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)I don't think anyone's going to be able to explain that one away.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)And not lapses in ethics or judgment.
Darb
(2,807 posts)is investigating it for the EXACT purpose of finding no wrongdoing, because there isn't any, but the Pubes will scream it to high heaven anyway forever, but sane people will be fine with it. In due course, they will come out and say that it might have been a little unwise to do it but no harm, no foul, Hillary is not a spy.
Vulcan derrrrrr. I cannot wait to see the Teaheads cry, but the Bernie people are loading up on this farce too. You should be advised, this is going away soon enough and those that whined and cried about it are going to look foolish.
A word to the wise is sufficient thereof.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)You type shit like that, and expect me to take your "word to the wise"?
Darb
(2,807 posts)bullshit about her server. Tell me, what the fuck did she do exactly that you have your panties in such a wad over?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)And unable to give straight answers even on a dare.
While we're at it I'll go ahead and say that I think Libya is a failed state and Syria is a quagmire whose leader my government said "must go" way back in 2011 and that The Honorable Secretary of State's hand prints are all over both.
Testy aren't we {shiver}.
Nitram
(22,803 posts)The hyperbole is idiotic. Get a grip.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)You are apparently unaware of the broad range of things DOJ does, many having nothing to do with prosecuting crimes. They are not investigating a crime in this instance. They are resolving an issue between two agencies over classification of emails to be produced in response to FOIA requests.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)The FBI is not investigating Hillary. They are trying to sort out a disagreement between two government agencies over what should be classified. The disagreement came up because the State Department has to produce Hillary emails in response to FOIA requests. It wants to produce everything that is not marked classified, but apparently DOJ disagrees with some of those determinations that items are not classified.
That is what Howard Dean, and anyone who knows what is actually going on, has been trying to explain. But many Bernie supporters have been more than happy to run with the Fox spin on the story, or the thoroughly debunked NY Times version of the story.
frylock
(34,825 posts)/s
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)she'd likely be running for president. Not to mention.that she's handling it poorly.
But Howard is an asset to her campaign.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)short circuit
(145 posts)and her unfavorable are high. Care to explain?
blm
(113,063 posts)chooses to run with the sensationalistic false narratives of the GOP machine instead of the simple truths?
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)The Clinton's are the Dem's chance at white house, the GOP have
1 billion to spend attacking Hillary: The GOP can purchase any
story the want to sell, the Koch can buy or any journalists in
America.
The New York times is an example of this: they use their own
reporters to rumors from the GOP: This was the mold they use with
Judy Miller and Dick Cheney to sell the war, he would give
Judy a lie, and then Cheney would site the New York Story he
planted. Even today Miller says she is not responsible for
the lies she printed leading up to the war. She hold her sources
liable.
In the email story, New York times wrongly printed Hillary
was under criminal investigation: they had to back track,
but not before the had done the damage to Hillary on the GOP
behalf.
short circuit
(145 posts)The FBI is still investigating the issues.
She should have addressed it before the campaign, and she didn't. As a result, it'll be an albatross. It's going to get worse as a result, because people who hears 'classified' and 'email' will think Clinton can't be trusted to be the President of the United States, and is actually trying to buy her election.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)short circuit
(145 posts)apnu
(8,758 posts)its not the email server that's killing her. Her campaign's horrible, secretive, out-of-touch, aloof response that's making HRC look like hell over it.
Its the old political trick: give the other guy all the rope and room to hang themselves. HRC's hanging herself on it right now.
Its a damn shame. She should be smarter than that.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)In what way will Hillary being "smarter" keep the press and the GOP from manufacturing stories about her? In no way.
It's pretty sad when even DU starts to blame the victim.
I'm referring to her secrecy on the issue and her awkward responses. If she was decisive out of the gate on it, this would be yet another non-issue.
It really is a non-issue. Even the Justice Department says she didn't do anything wrong while she was SoS.
Hillary is very smart, her long political career, even before Bill Clinton shows that. But how she's handled this is wrong footed. That's why she should be "smarter". She's got the experience and wisdom, especially after the endless "scandals" manufactured in the 1990s, to know how to deal with such things. She has to know they will never stop making stuff up about her, hell they do it to Obama daily. Its what the GOP's done since Poppy lost the White House.
We know the GOP will make stuff up, they will test her, every day, we all know that. I'm talking about how she handles her responses. The GOP is so bad at this they telegraph their attacks like the amateurs they are. By now she should know how to deal with this stuff. Especially after the endless Benghazi crap they make up. But as it is, with this issue, she's fumbling and its impacting her numbers.
You should know more about what a person is talking about before accusing them of being sexist.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)Or a DAMNED GOOD CHIEF OF STAFF!
Just sayin'
And, although they come from different parts of the political spectrum, Howard Dean, Wesley Clark, and Bill Richardson are three Democratic Party assets that have been shamelessly WASTED by the Democratic Party establishment.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Cha
(297,275 posts)SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)oasis
(49,388 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)No, I don't mean with a cloth.
It could have been unplugged and stored. That didn't happen. There was a deliberate attempt to destroy information on it.
Then she fought turning it over for ~5 months.
Even if there really is nothing there there, she is acting guilty. When you are running for President and a clear majority of Americans think you are not trustworthy, that is a problem.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Why go to such extremes if there is nothing to hide?
eridani
(51,907 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)and their reporting of "scandals" have much in common.
Sid
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Why can't you folks just support Clinton?
yardwork
(61,630 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Don't blame Bernie. It's the main stream billionaire owned media and their minions the GOP.
libodem
(19,288 posts)And it is clearly trumped up horsepucky.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Since he is standing behind Clinton in this matter, I am guessing that the character assassination of a man who did NOT vote for the war in Iraq is only moments away. Popcorn waiting.
bobGandolf
(871 posts)I can not only Howard Dean has said this!