The Ironic Hijacking of the Bernie Sanders’ Campaign by Elitist White Progressives

[boston bean]

The following is an editorial by PoliticusUSA co-publisher Sarah Jones.

Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is a man who has always advocated for the underdogs, for women, for minorities. And so it’s exceptionally ironic and troubling that his campaign is being hijacked by priggish, self-satisfied, angry white progressives. The elitist, misogynistic kind whose myopic priorities are pot laws and the privacy of their emails. Oh, and their zealous, rabid hate for former Secretary Hillary Clinton.

They don’t care about liberal values or the fact that three women are murdered every day in this country by an “intimate” partner or that black people are being systemically murdered by the police. They are very busy pretending to care about Wall Street, while not seeing or admitting how keeping minorities down enables Wall Street’s abuses and power over D.C..

These are not the same people who have supported Senator Sanders for years as an Independent Senator. These are also not his genuine supporters — those who support his actual positions. But these johnny-come-lately “Libertarian liberals” (try not to laugh) are glomming onto Sanders and rabidly attacking anyone who doesn’t get in line behind their every made up idea about him. Ironically, they don’t even know or care what he really stands for.

Senator Sanders is pushing an election of ideas and policies, and former Secretary Hillary Clinton is right there with him. Clinton has been doing this her entire campaign. Neither of them are playing dirty. This is such an opportunity to elevate ideas, but it’s being destroyed by nasty, teabagger-type viciousness of the new Sanders “fans”.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/22/ironic-hijacking-bernie-sanders-campaign-elitist-white-progressives.html

[SonderWoman]

1. And these are the same people who...

Never gave Obama credit for anything, tried to undermine him at every turn, hurled insults at him on par with teabaggers, and even called for our first black president to be primaried in 2012. But now they want Obama's massive coalition to back their preferred candidate.

[mcar]

65. This exactly!

[Armstead]

74. Just wondering, who did you support in 2008?

Were you a "sexist" who supported Obama or a "racist" who supported Clinton?

This is just the latest version of the same kind of stereotypical crap.

[Hortensis]

133. Agree that perspective is critical, which comes with knowledge, which starts with information.

[leftofcool]

81. Nailed it!

[RoccoR5955]

134. Oh what BS!

I think that there are many of us who supported Obama, who, when he put Wall Street Bankers in key positions in his cabinet, knew that something was up. The banksters who created the recession in 2007 never went to jail, for one.
Then there was the giveaway to insurance companies when Universal Healthcare was not even part of the ACA.
There have been many good things that Obama has done, for the environment, for example, and many more that he could not do due to the blockade that John Boner and his teabagger buddies in the Congress have done to him all along.
I remember when Obama was first elected, and the RepubliCONs stated that they would not let ANYTHING that Obama proposed pass.

There are many of us who oppose policies that Obama has put forth, but never insulted the person. There are also many of us who never called for a primary.
I feel that this statement is a mass generalization, and therefore deserves very little, if any credit.

[cascadiance]

231. Exactly, there are many things that Obama has done to warrant criticism...

... such as what you mention and the TPA/TPP, etc. "free trade" CRAP that is going down now, but just over the last few days I've been pushing my congress critters hard to support his efforts to get this Iran agreement passed through when that is something GOOD he's done, and may even work with others on other things to help with this too.

I, as many of those who support Bernie do, prioritize and work hard on ISSUES that we feel need to be worked on and supported in this tough economy/environment we are in now, and if politicians like Obama or Hillary on occasion stand against what we feel needs to be done, whether it is because of their corporate ties or other reasons, we will work hard against what they are doing, but if they work on things that we feel are the right way of doing things, like the Iran nuclear deal bill that Obam IS doing the right thing on, we will work hard for what he's working on.

On balance, it should not be hard to figure out why our emphasis on issues and where politicians stands, is what draws us to Bernie, not because we are "elitist", "white supremacist", or some other faux criticism that is applied to all of us en masse, because of manufactured controversies, or a few of us that may react more heavily to certain issues than warranted.

It is like what another thread here has analyzed, that when those against Bernie here can't criticize him in any effective way either personally, or against the issues, or if they can't critique the issues that most of us stand with him on, they try to personally attack us all in nebulous ways with mass generalizations that just don't really hold water, but are hard to disprove when there's no single instance to show right or wrong to prove otherwise. It shows that those working against Bernie are running out of options.

[Springslips]

174. Yes, yes.

Unlike supports of Hillary who never said an errant word about the President, who support him from the start of 2008, never, ever hinted about race to use politically ( after all according to the 'informed knowledge' of the article it is supporters of Bernie who are the racist.) and are 100-percent for the President! (Or until he gets Biden to run, then watch out.) Make sense!

The psychological projection and distortions, the inside-out forcing of truth, is at such a level here as I have never seen. It is unbelievable.

[workinclasszero]

245. Yup

+1

[Number23]

288. Sanders supporters are getting more press than he is. And none of it is good

He needs to nip this shit in the bud YESTERDAY. He needs to say SOMETHING. He needs to do something.

And all of the panicked, over the top, hyper defensive and dumb as rocks OPs from his supporters here on DU nervously high fiving themselves as article after article and piece after piece gets written by black activists, white progressives and entire progressive movements really openly and really loudly condemning the nihilistic behavior of far too many Sanders supporters ain't gonna cut it. The really racist behavior of some Sanders supporters in response to #BLM has shown an insidiousness that all of the desperate "we're number 1!11" posts in the world can't cover.

The whole damn Internet has condemned these people's tactics. Since they appear to be doing everything in the world but listening to this absolute AVALANCHE of criticism from so many people and places, Sanders needs to step up and do something.

[Cha]

298. And, they're in deep denial .. just look at them.. so entrenched. And, why are they protecting the

"Libertarian Liberals" Sarah Jones refers to, anyway?

"These are not the same people who have supported Senator Sanders for years as an Independent Senator. These are also not his genuine supporters — those who support his actual positions. But these johnny-come-lately “Libertarian liberals” (try not to laugh) are glomming onto Sanders and rabidly attacking anyone who doesn’t get in line behind their every made up idea about him. Ironically, they don’t even know or care what he really stands for."

Did they even read the OPED?

[Number23]

313. This is not just DU. This is SOOOO much bigger than DU. The #berniesoblack hash tag, the

really open, really heartfelt condemnation from Thom Hartman, Occupy and other groups and individuals show that this is a fairly common occurrence now. This OP is just the latest in an INCREDIBLY long line of articles written about how destructive Sanders supporters are -- to BERNIE SANDERS.

And no, I think they read them. And I think that they see themselves very clearly in all of this condemnation which is why we are seeing a rash of really nervous and incredibly dumb OPs about Sanders supporters giving people dandruff or that people are going after Sanders supporters because Sanders is so pure and pristine that no one can criticize him (easily one of the dumbest things I've ever seen here.

These people have screamed at the top of their lungs whenever anyone has tried to bring up his votes on guns, for the crime bill, his insistence that economic issues trump all and his lack of legislative achievements or endorsements and now that people don't bring them up as often in order to quell the screaming it's "see! He's so great no one has any real critcisms of him!11one" )

The author's point about the libertarian left is spot on. Bernie has got to do something about this crap. He can't let this continue.

[Cha]

328. Absolutely it's not just DU.. the "Libertarian Liberals" that SJ is talking about are damn well all

over the net.

Nobody would be even be talking about those BS supporters if they hadn't gone after #BlackLivesMatter activists and supporters in the first place.. something they try to brush over while painting themselves as victims.

"...or that people are going after Sanders supporters because Sanders is so pure and pristine that no one can criticize him (easily one of the dumbest things I've ever seen here."

It's also one of the most hypocritical turn of events.. after years of whining that President Obama fans didn't like any criticism of him(which was untrue.. constructive criticism Yes.. "POSUCS-Trojan damn Horse-NO".).. turns out they brook no critique of BS.. whatsofuckingever.

Not all of Bernie's supporters around here are spinning as fast as they can to condemn this and other articles exposing the actions of "Libertarian Liberals" who went after #BlackLivesMatter Activists.. there are some who actually agree with them. They are the ones who are helping their candidate.

[freshwest]

337. Very well said. For his own and the nation's sake, he needs to disavow such folks. n/t

[brush]

309. Elite progressive? That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

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How is that even possible?

It's not.

[BlueStateLib]

331. Bernie Sanders Says It Would Be A ‘Good Idea’ To Primary President Obama

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjACahUKEwiHyqfl4sDHAhXWKYgKHZB4AMk&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthinkprogress.org%2Fspecial%2F2011%2F07%2F22%2F277124%2Fbernie-sanders-primary-obama%2F&ei=v47aVcfuH9bToASQ8YHIDA&usg=AFQjCNHuIs-ItFdtZCYDukFJ8GpV9TllSA&sig2=AA-Cq7gkg6A7UaJLwPhVNQ

[Cali_Democrat]

338. Well said. nt

[Bonobo]

2. Whoah! Another attack on supporters and not on the candidate! Somebody pinch me! nt

[rock]

269. And why not?

The Democratic candidates don't stink, but a lot of the supporters do!

[MrMickeysMom]

283. So…..

Nah!

By that same logic, we're all equal, which is the point of supporting a candidate like Bernie Sanders.

[Wilms]

3. The Curious Demonization of Bernie Sanders Supporters by Hillarian Sycophants

[SonderWoman]

7. The author is a Bernie supporter.

[RiverLover]

15. Funny.

Look at all of her pro-Hillary articles, and not a single pro-Bernie article.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=sarah+jones%2C+hillary&oq=sarah+jones%2C+hillary&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i53.2314.7909.0.8418.20.7.0.13.13.0.123.706.5j2.7.0...0.0...1ac.1.QuYajjmRyNc#hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&tbm=nws&q=sarah+jones%2C+hillary+clinton+%2C+politicus

You guys sure try to spin things around here. Its like some bizarro version of faux news for hillary in digital.

[Wilms]

19. Pretty much what I did. A little googling leaves an impression.

Hence, my comment.

[SonderWoman]

24. Look at all her pro-Bernie posts:

https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&ei=bMnZVaqdAYbo-QHK8LOoBA&q=sarah+reese+jones&oq=sarah+reese+jo&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.1.0i10j0i22i30l4.1950.9434.0.13731.16.15.1.5.5.5.974.3426.0j11j1j5-1j1.14.0....0...1c.1.64.mobile-gws-hp..2.14.1916.3.TfuxmO9kQPc#q=sarah+reese+jones+bernie+sanders

[virtualobserver]

35. she doesn't write pro-Bernie articles

it is all Hillary

[George II]

48. Funny how google works like that. Good search! Here are some of her non-"Pro Bernie" tweets...

from your search....

"Bernie Sanders Vows To Put An End To The Koch Brothers “Legalized Bribery” With New Bill"
"Bernie Sanders Skyrockets Past Hillary Clinton In New Hampshire To Lead 44%-37%"
"Bernie Sanders Blasts MSNBC and Comcast For Canceling Ed Schultz" (I found this one funny)
"Bernie Sanders Urges The American People To Stand Up And Say Enough Is Enough"

I guess if some people WANT to only see "pro-Hillary" stuff they'll do that.

[virtualobserver]

86. I've posted pro-Hillary items on this site.

Does that make me a Hillary supporter?

[Fred Sanders]

119. Oh, really. Post one now...or maybe a link to these posts?

[virtualobserver]

204. OK, my favorite moment in this campaign....

was in June when Hillary spoke very forcefully about the gutting of the voting rights act and vote suppression in general. I felt that she was passionate and came across as very authentic.

[Fred Sanders]

207. That was good of you to post a positive. Can we agree there has been zero attacks by the candidates on each other?

Quid pro quo.

Sanders is very correct call to ban and end the private prison industry must be, and I think will be soon, echoed by Clinton.

We can take all the positives from each candidate and mix them together....and force the policies to a better place for the benefit of all.

A little positive vibe goes a long away in a negative thread.

[virtualobserver]

212. how do you define an attack?

[Fred Sanders]

214. You will know one when you see one. A defintion is not desirable or needed.

[virtualobserver]

219. give me an example of something that you would consider an attack, then......

[snagglepuss]

165. None of those are opinion pieces, they merely report various

positions and statements Bernie has made.

[Gothmog]

54. Thanks for the information

[cali]

18. bull.

[virtualobserver]

23. not in a million years

months and months of pro-Hillary articles.
not a single pro-Bernie article.

another Bernie has bad supporters hit piece.

[SonderWoman]

25. Here:

https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&ei=bMnZVaqdAYbo-QHK8LOoBA&q=sarah+reese+jones&oq=sarah+reese+jo&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.1.0i10j0i22i30l4.1950.9434.0.13731.16.15.1.5.5.5.974.3426.0j11j1j5-1j1.14.0....0...1c.1.64.mobile-gws-hp..2.14.1916.3.TfuxmO9kQPc#q=sarah+reese+jones+bernie+sanders

To be fair, she's basically pro-Democrat and props up all Dem candidates.

[virtualobserver]

32. she supports Bernie in the way that I support Hillary....

not the first choice.

[lark]

129. BS

People please. Someone posts a list of pro-Bernie and you totally ignore those in favor of your desired meme. And, yes, some from both sides are dong this

I can't wait until the general. Hopefully then this board will go back to bashing Repugs and supporting Dems.

[virtualobserver]

208. it was a list of tweets

vs a long list of pro-Hillary articles.

It is clear that she is a Hillary supporter. She likes Bernie, but the only article that she has written about Bernie was a critical article about his supporters.

[Cha]

302. Sarah Jones certainly says good things about BS.. but, that's not enough for those trying to protect

the "libertarian liberals" she's referring to.

"These are not the same people who have supported Senator Sanders for years as an Independent Senator. These are also not his genuine supporters — those who support his actual positions. But these johnny-come-lately “Libertarian liberals” (try not to laugh) are glomming onto Sanders and rabidly attacking anyone who doesn’t get in line behind their every made up idea about him. Ironically, they don’t even know or care what he really stands for."

[LovingA2andMI]

179. Isn't Sarah Jones Caucasian????

It's so easy to let that fact (at least by her picture on the internet's -- which could be faux) get lost by the useless words of the article....

[Mnpaul]

221. She exposed herself with the racial remark

Bernie doesn't support this crap

“When we overcome race issues, when we overcome questions of whether somebody was born in this country or not, when we overcome sexual orientation or gender issues, when we don’t let our opponents divide us up by race or sexual orientation, all that stuff,” he said. “When we stand together, there is nothing, nothing, nothing, we can’t accomplish.”

[Zorra]

243. See post #222 for more "exposure". nt

[Cha]

295. Too many BS supporters are doing it to themselves.. the Black Activists and Sarah Jones among many

others are speaking out against them.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. Thank you for sharing The Daily Horseshit.

[beam me up scottie]

40. LOL!

It's a tough job but somebody's got to shovel it.

[mmonk]

87. Yep. Another clean up needed in the DU Primaries aisle.

[beam me up scottie]

103. Meh. It's how I know who's had a good week and whose poll numbers are dropping.

The more vicious and prolific the hit pieces/flamebait, the better Bernie's doing.

[LovingA2andMI]

190. Yep....

As this article has nothing to do with the Primaries as it is a Caucasian Woman ("Sarah Jones&quot getting paid to write for a Click-Bait site "Addicting Info" trying to down other Caucasian folks, who decide to support Bernie Sanders. In fact, its' more than ironic when one thinks about it....

[JackInGreen]

132. It's a refreshing bouquet

Of apples oats and the same slop as always.

[ctsnowman]

177. lol NT

[HappyPlace]

5. Hit piece against Bernie supporters by a Hillary supporter.

"priggish, self-satisfied, angry white progressives."

Very classy.

And divisive.

[SonderWoman]

9. Nope. She's a Bernie supporter. I follow her on social media.

[HappyPlace]

14. Whuh? The OP is a Bernie supporter???

Needs to lose that avatar.

[George II]

88. Who said the OP was a Sanders supporter? The author of the ARTICLE is.

You should know that.

[RiverLover]

21. Link?

She's in Hillary's camp.

[1StrongBlackMan]

154. But then I can name a couple Bernie supporters ...

That have come to the same observation ... and then, termed a HRC-support, primarily by the subjects see had identified.

[hughee99]

209. So she's one of the priggish, self-satisfied, angry white progressive Bernie supporters?

Sorry, I don't buy it. After weeks of not getting any traction with "Bernie doesn't care about black issues"... or woman's issues, or immigrant issues, they're shifting to "Bernie SUPPORTERS don't care about..." because, while it's easy to refute that when referring to Sanders, how do you refute that when discussing an unnamed mass of people?

"Guilt" didn't work and now the backup plan is "guilt by association".

[Fred Sanders]

211. How many strawmen can one set up in a row for ritual burning?

[George II]

60. But sadly, on the mark.

[Scuba]

6. What a load of crap.

[boston bean]

8. Wow, look at some of the responses above... Sarah might be on to something..

[HappyPlace]

16. No, they (we) are right on top of it.

How pathetic.

Not surprising.

[George II]

92. .

[MoveIt]

262. Hooray for disruption!

Let's all applaud it when we see it right?

[Luminous Animal]

224. So you are saying that the Bernie supporters who responded to your OP are...

priggish, self-satisfied, angry white progressives. The elitist, misogynistic kind whose myopic priorities are pot laws and the privacy of their emails. Oh, and their zealous, rabid hate for former Secretary Hillary Clinton.

They don’t care about liberal values or the fact that three women are murdered every day in this country by an “intimate” partner or that black people are being systemically murdered by the police.

???

[boston bean]

229. I don't know, do they? They are more upset about an article than those issues, it would seem.

Which I think was the point of the article.

But I don't know each and every persons heart... But I do know that there was little self reflection if in fact it was needed. If it was not, then some of the posts were just mean.

If people don't think they are like was described in the article, then why take such offense to it?

She didn't say all! and NEITHER did I!

[Luminous Animal]

239. You post a highly inflammatory article about the Bernie campaign being hi-jacked

by odious people and you think that Bernie supporters on this board should keep their mouths shut?

I sincerely doubt if similar had been posted about Hillary supporters, the Duers on this board who support her would stand by quietly.

It is a flat out hit piece highlighting responses at a Social Security event. Were those who yelled racist slurs Bernie supporters? Who knows. It was an hours long event with many speakers. Who even knows if those who were yelling things were even Democrats. I've searched for any article interviewing anybody who attended the event and can't find a single one.

In fact, Sarah Jones cannot link to one single individual who is illustrative of the type of person from that "small group of people who claim to be Sanders supporters" (her words) she claims are hi-jacking the Bernie campaign.

Last night, I did a bit of research on the responses from Hillary supporters on the articles written in liberal publications about her meeting with Black Lives Matter in Boston. I almost did an OP about it but decided not to. I will say though, many of the response were dismissive, insulting, and racist towards the three activists.

[boston bean]

240. I've seen so much shit on this website posted about Hillary and her supporters

that I am immune to it.

So, that point falls flat on its face.

Yeah, the article was inflammatory, but only because there was a lot of fuel that was righteously used to flame it.

If you don't think that there are any Bernie supporters out there who fit the characterization in the article, I'm not sure what to say.

If it's not you, fine. I'm not saying it is. I don't know whether it is nor not.

But I do know from being a pretty well read person that there was quite a lot of truth in what she said.

[cyberswede]

248. Most posts about Clinton criticize her record, not her supporters.

OTOH, I've read more posts here criticizing Sanders's supporters than his positions.

[boston bean]

251. uh huh! nt

[cyberswede]

253. Glad you agree. :)

[boston bean]

256. LOL.

[Luminous Animal]

255. I communicate with hundreds of Bernie supporters every week. In the past few months I have

likely communicated with 8000-10,000 unique Bernie supporters. Only a handful fit that profile. And the vast majority rarely mention Clinton unless directly asked to explain policy differences.

Near every Bernie supporter that I have worked have nothing to do with that nonsense. Where is the article about them? Where is the article about the MAJORITY of Bernie supporters who have absolutely nothing to do with the "small group of people who claim to be Sanders supporters" (her words).

[Luminous Animal]

259. Oh, and by the way. Those comments by Hillary supporters that I mentioned before...

they were comparing the Boston Black Lives Matter activists to Breitbart and O'Keefe. Saying Hillary was sandbagged by incoherent people who do not know what they want other than 15 minutes of fame. And worse.

Perhaps you fit the characterization. If it's not you, fine. I'm not saying it is. I don't know whether it is nor not.

[cyberswede]

244. Sanders supporters are not "more upset about an article than those issues."

What an absurd thing to say.

[boston bean]

247. I don't think it's that absurd. I was just told in another thread

that people were using these issues to hurt Bernie.

I find that to be extremely offensive.

People who fight for social justice don't say that kind of stuff.

[Gothmog]

271. The premise of the OP may be validated by this thread

[cyberswede]

286. I disagree. Even presuming you feel that fellow DUers

are "priggish, self-satisfied, angry white progressives" of the "the elitist, misogynistic kind" who
"don’t care about liberal values or the fact that three women are murdered every day in this country by an “intimate” partner or that black people are being systemically murdered by the police," it's impossible to claim that the Sanders campaign has been "hijacked" by anybody.

The Sanders campaign is its own entity, neither run nor influenced by its supporters or DUers.

[quickesst]

10. This shoe...

...is a perfect fit for, but not all , Bernie's supporters, and that doesn't even include the....

[BooScout]

11. Yep.....

I call them the 'Anybody but Hillary Brigade'....and yes they are also the ones most vehemently attacking President Obama now as well. There are genuine Sanders supporters out there that I know are sickened by some of the things said by this faction.

[Armstead]

117. You should learn to seperate personality from "faction"...and also apprecate nuance

I fall into the category of a genuine longtime Sanders supporter because of his stance on issues. And I like Hillary, and would vote for her in the General if necessary.

But I stringly disagree with what Clinton represents (Third Way Corporate Centrism). And when I get worked up, I am also on the "anybody but Hillary Brigade." And although I support President Obama about 75 percent, he has done or proposed things that I disagree with strongly.

And I try to debate civilly on DU, but I get pissed off and snarky sometimes.

So I'm not sure which "faction" that would place me, other than NOT being in the "say nothing but nice things about Clinton and Obama" 24/7 faction.

[Senator Tankerbell]

12. What is she basing this on?

Twitter mentions? Seems like just a bunch of ad hominem nonsense. She calls them "white progressives" but then says "they are not the left". So I guess they aren't really progressive then? Yes, some people on Twitter are crazy. Some are not really who they say they are. Is that news to anyone? The idea that social media trolls have "hijacked" the campaign is not based in reality. Good click-bait though.

[Garrett78]

41. That's what I'd like to know.

The author didn't offer up a shred of evidence. Where is her evidence that he's getting substantial support from libertarian or misogynistic types? There are bound to be people in every camp who are less than admirable, but the author is suggesting that Sanders is getting substantial support from such folks. *Note: I'm not presuming that she doesn't have any evidence, but if she does, she needs to share it in order for her argument to hold water. If she doesn't have any evidence, then her article is irresponsible.

By the way, Noam Chomsky (a pretty admirable person) could be described as a left wing libertarian. Being opposed to neoliberalism is a good thing.

[Hortensis]

147. Agree in general, BUT let's remember there are millions of conservative progressives by nature,

they've just been disempowered and nullified by those to their right over the past 35 years.

This is important because we need them reactivated. By now millions don't realize they are progressive, since propagandists have worked very, very hard to attach that label solely to the left. The New Deal programs would never have come to be,though, without progressives across the spectrum working together.

The very last thing our nation needs is for the left to reject millions of voters who agree on the necessity of using government to solve giant problems.

[DanTex]

13. There is so much irony with Bernie's supporters it's hard to decide where to start.

Yes, the hijacking by elitist white progressives is one thing. Then there's irony that perhaps the most cited Bernie supporter on DU is Rand Paul fan H.A. Goodman. There's the irony of Bernie supporters suddenly embracing the MSM when the MSM started pushing the phony email scandal. The irony of people who worship FDR going after HRC for being wealthy. And so on.

[Bonobo]

22. How about the irony that for all the demonization, they stick to political discussions and do not

attack Hillary supporters but, rather, save their venom for the candidate herself.

Now THAT is irony.

[DanTex]

27. The Hillary-hatred isn't ironic. The personal animosity towards HRC is the engine

that fuels the irony on the rest of the topics.

[Bonobo]

30. You jump the gun when you call it hatred. It is criticism. The salient point is this:

We are focusing on Hillary. That is as it should be since she is the candidate running for office.

OTOH, many Hillary supporters are focusing on the Sanders supporters instead of Sanders. That is not right.

If you have any ability to reason calmly and unemotionally, you will consider what I have said here.

[DanTex]

43. I like both Hillary and Sanders. What's notable to me is that many Sanders supporters

have gone way off the deep end and descended into irrational Hillary bashing (emails, anyone?). Maybe it reflects a little bit negatively on the candidate himself, in that he doesn't inspire the kind of civility and positive discourse that his campaign exhibits. But he has repeatedly said that he likes and respects Hillary -- if his unhinged supporters aren't with him in that, is he to blame?

The biggest problem with Sanders is that he would get crushed by the GOP in a general, as anyone with "any ability to reason calmly and unemotionally" understands. But, like Hillary, he's been fighting for progressive change his entire career.

[virtualobserver]

58. anyone with "any ability to reason calmly and unemotionally"

would not be endlessly bashing Bernie's supporters. What a waste of time.

As Hillary sinks and Bernie rises, I am sure that it will only get worse as the panic grows.

[DanTex]

63. Hillary and her supporters aren't "panicked" about Bernie.

The only that that they (we) are worried about is the GE.

To the extent that the unhinged Bernie supporters might be facilitating a GOP victory next November they deserve all the criticism they get. Whether it's alienating BLM, proudly declaring they'll sit out the election if Hillary is the nominee, or pushing right-wing attacks like the email witch hunt, people like this need to be called out.

[virtualobserver]

78. Hillary supporters ARE beginning to panic.

It more than just about Bernie.

[DanTex]

90. Meh, there are ups and downs in the campaign.

It's true that some Dems are wondering whether it would be wise to have a backup in case Hillary falters somehow, and I tend to agree with that. Nominating Bernie would result in a GOP landslide, so right now it's all in on Hillary.

But the "Hillary is panicking" meme is the creation of Hillary haters, and it's been going on since the very beginning of the campaign. Hillary in panic is what happened towards the middle of the 2008 primary, when it became clear that Obama was a real threat and maybe even the favorite. What's going on now is not even vaguely similar.

[catnhatnh]

227. "The only that that they (we) are worried about is the GE."

Look!!!! It's the ghost of little Miss Inevitable....

(I think DanTex means "The only THING that they (we) are worried about...)

[JDPriestly]

217. Maybe Hillary herself is to blame?

I'm not much into the e-mail scandal. Colin Powell also used a private e-mail for this State Department business, I have read. It is odd that Hillary did that, but I doubt that any harm was done.

A greater concern are some Hillary's policies, especially on Syria, while in Iraq, and her laughing at some of the violence used while she was Secretary of State. Further, she takes credit for her time in the White House when she counts up her years of experience, therefore we have to look at the bills that Bill Clinton signed, and many of them, Defense of Marriage Act, just to name one, do not represent policies or a political direction that most of us support. So why support Hillary if we don't support much of the policy she takes credit for helping to enact?

The problem is not Bernie supporters. The problem is that Hillary supporters can't really explain why they support Hillary. Her views on most issues are rather weak. She does not express herself as well as Bernie. She has had to admit that she has been wrong on many issues like LGBT marriage, like the Iraq War, so many issues, that I question her judgment.

Bernie, on the other hand, has a core set of values that help him make his decisions on issues. He has, over an over, made the right decision on an issue, and Hillary has made the wrong one, the easy one, the popular one.

The hit piece is just that, a hit piece, written out of desperation because it is so hard to justify supporting Hillary when a candidate as brilliant and morally courageous as Bernie is running against her. What can a Hillary supporter do but strike out at the people who support Bernie? If you can't say anything bad about a candidate, say something bad about the candidate's supporters. That seems to be the lesson from the editorial in the OP.

Sanders is unassailable, but, oh, his supporters. They don't have a national blog on which to answer me, so I'll say something nasty about them.

That's what that article is about. It's ridiculous. When Hillary supporters resort to that, we know Sanders is on the way up.

[haikugal]

238. Excellent post...Thanks!! n/t

[virtualobserver]

44. I dislike the choices that she has made, over a long career.

rather than accept that we have a right to that opinion, you pretend that it is personal.

[DanTex]

53. It may not be personal in your case. But it is in many cases.

Certainly, for example, the people who are gleefully posting about the email nonsense have something against Hillary that goes well beyond rational disagreement on a few issues.

And even on policy, there's a tendency to focus on a few votes rather than the big picture of Hillary being a stalwart progressive for her entire career. This also makes me think a lot of it is personal. BTW, there's plenty to criticize about Bernie also -- gun control, immigration, F35, de-emphasizing social issues versus economic, etc. But to pretend that either Bernie or Hillary aren't strong progressives is silly. And Bernie understands this, which is why he's repeatedly said that he likes and supports Hillary.

[virtualobserver]

70. The reason that I am so critical of Hillary in terms of the "email nonsense"

is that I have seen this before. I lived through the agonizing 90's as a Clinton supporter.

She is always dealing with these situations as if they are legal cases. She is always arguing the letter of the
law. I think that she shows poor political judgment in the way that she handles these situations even though
her positions are legally sound. David Kendall makes a poor political adviser.

[A Simple Game]

106. Yes, just like when she was the head of healthcare reform back in the '90's.

Everything had to be under her control and secret. Just like her position on Keystone, "I'll let you know when I'm President." The "email nonsense" fit right in with the pattern. It begins to sound like a broken record and not a very good tune at that.

[virtualobserver]

110. Her flaw is probably that she is a great lawyer.

She might be a better CEO than a President.

[A Simple Game]

162. She would probably be happier as a CEO and the dictatorial powers that come with the position. n/t

[okasha]

276. A President is a CEO.

And to the post below, a CEO is answerable to his/her Board.

[passiveporcupine]

332. Yes, Bernie likes Hillary. He said so.

But to pretend that either Bernie or Hillary aren't strong progressives is silly. And Bernie understands this, which is why he's repeatedly said that he likes and supports Hillary.

He also said he strongly disagrees with her on many issues. She is NOT a strong progressive, although she is trying to sound like one on social issues for this campaign. Notice she is not touching the economic subjects that will prove she is not progressive.

[Garrett78]

47. It's not hatred.

There are many reasonable criticisms of neoliberalism, the dominant ideology of the last 30+ years. Republicans of old (such as Eisenhower and even Nixon) were, in many ways, to the left of today's mainstream Democrats. The rightward shift is disturbing. And, yes, the Republican Party of today is even further to the right...in fact, it's gone completely off the rails. But that doesn't make the criticism of neoliberal Democrats any less valid. Policy positions and values have to take precedence over party identification.

[DanTex]

59. Plenty of it is. The sentiment "I won't vote in the GE if it's Hillary" is pretty popular here on

DU, as is the argument that Hillary is basically a Republican with a "D." This is just stupid. So is the cheering on of the email witch hunt.

Sure, there are reasonable criticism of Hillary (and also of Bernie), but there's a lot more unhinged-ness in the Bernie camp. I haven't seen a single Hillary supporter say they wouldn't vote for Bernie if he is the nominee, whereas some OPs saying the converse get huge numbers of recs.

[Garrett78]

73. That doesn't equate to hatred.

I haven't really seen "cheering on of the email witch hunt," but I've seen people suggest it may be contributing to her drop in some polls (not an unreasonable conjecture).

Anyway, given how much further to the left Sanders is, it's natural that his supporters are going to be far less likely to be okay with Clinton than Clinton supporters are to be okay with Sanders. That doesn't denote hatred. That's to be expected given that Sanders supporters are the ones upset with the status quo that Clinton represents.

[DanTex]

80. Hmm, I count for anti-Hillary email OPs right now, and this is a slow day for it.

Also, refusing to vote for Hillary if she wins the primary is either hatred or mental illness. Or both.

[Garrett78]

95. Wow.

Voting for someone like Jill Stein, whether or not you personally oppose voting for a Green Party candidate, hardly equates to hatred or mental illness.

[DanTex]

98. It depends on the reason.

If a person votes third-party because they hate Hillary, that's obviously hatred. If they think that the third party has a chance to win, or that the Dems and the GOP are no different, that's stupidity bordering on mental illness.

And then there are some people who actually prefer the GOP. For example, DU hero H.A. Goodman who supported Rand Paul before he found his love for Bernie.

[Garrett78]

101. There are sound arguments for not supporting a lesser evil.

Believe it or not, there are sound arguments for not supporting the lesser evil. Such as the argument that continuing to support the lesser evil has contributed to the rightward shift of both parties over the last 30+ years. Also, saying a 3rd party isn't viable is circular reasoning, since the only way it can become viable is by getting votes.

*Note: I'm not saying I necessarily agree with those arguments, but I'm not arrogant enough or close-minded enough to say those who make such arguments are hateful or mentally ill.

[eridani]

102. Nope. In the Sanders group poll, 70% of the respondents said they would vote for--

--Clinton if she was the nominee. So the sentiment is actually unpopular.

[1StrongBlackMan]

168. And the irony of them having spent the past . .

7+ years calling the supporters of President Obama "hero-worshipers" because we object(ed) to the daily ",criticisms" ... only to have found their own "hero"!

[boston bean]

180. ha. true! nt

[Fred Sanders]

201. It is not hero worship if it is YOUR hero you are "worshipping".

Although, I might add, what is wrong with hero-worship if the person is a real hero, like Obama?

How can there even be heroes if there are no worshippers?

"Worshippers" and "heroes"...very generic and vague words with multiple defintions....personally I have no problem with heroes, defined as people who have earned trust through words and deed.....as long as the hero worshippers do not start attacking other heroes, it is all good.

[Lisa D]

202. +1000

It's Hypocrisy 101.

[sheshe2]

321. Ha!

You are being to kind. They called us a lot worse than that, but I will just leave it at that.

[cali]

17. the author provides no evidence to support his bullshit

It's simple hit piece by a Hillary devotee

[boston bean]

20. uh huh....

She is not a Hillary supporter.

I think she addressed in the article how some need to visit the "fact store"... LOL

[cali]

31. bull. sorry I don't buy it. this isn't reasoned criticism

It's a very ugly and flat out vicious attack that provides no evidence. And the funny thing? I think there's ample reason to criticize. His crowds aren't diverse.enough. I watch his rallies. And some of the most enthusiastic responses come when he addresses sexism, racism and homophobia.

[boston bean]

39. Seems pretty reasonable after what I have witnessed. Sorry, you don't see it or wish to reflect. n

[cali]

61. lol. you have a strong bias. your strong dislike of his supporters renders you utterly incapable

of being anything close to fair minded. Now some people can recognize their bias. You are not among those able to do that.

[boston bean]

75. I like Bernie Sanders. Can you say the same about someone you oppose?

I even forgive him for his crime bill vote, and his support to shield gun makers.

Why, cause I like a lot of his positions.

I'm a pretty reasonable person.

But his supporters, make it difficult to defend him, when they are criticizing a civil rights movement.

[cascadiance]

242. But it is obvious that you strongly want Hillary in power and not Bernie...

You say you like him, but you aren't telling us why you like her far more and feel very strongly obviously that she should be president and not him.

We are coming out and explaining by talking about the issues why we like him and why we feel he needs to be president and back it up with how we feel he will do the right things and are specific about them.

It's hard to get anything from a Hillary supporter why she's so much better than him, other than "she can do better in the GE than he can against the Republicans" with no real solid means to establish that as a fact.

And we ARE NOT criticizing a civil rights movement. Just about all of us have supported what the BLM was set up to help fight for (police violence against minority populations, etc.), but we criticize behaviors of certain INDIVIDUALS who claim to be a part of that movement, but who put blanket criticisms on all of us through things like calling all of us "white supremacists" with absolutely NO basis, and using that as a rationale for shutting down Bernie's ability to speak to a crowd of people on a topic that they all want to collectively hear about, and even offering them time to talk on their issue, even if it wasn't the topic that the crowd was there to hear about (social security, etc. in Seattle, or immigration at Netroots).

I'm all for many engaged in civil disobedience, when it targets those groups of people that facilitate the problems that they are fighting against (as Code Pink does in most cases of its actions, or other groups like that). And I don't even mind someone from BLM and would even support coming up and taking the stage to help build out more attention for this cause, as long as they are focused on that, and not making personal attacks on others that really don't deserve it because they and who they are supporting, have already shown that they've tried to support their cause.

The key to civil disobedience is to raise awareness of issues both with those that oppose that issue and those who support it, but not to go out of your way to alienate those that might help you support it. If that alienation, and many's reaction to it is translated in to a mass criticism of us being some kind of less than human as followers of Bernie, then that is just not going to work over time. It will only build support for the movement instead of people wanting to work on the ISSUE they support as well as the other issues that we and Bernie also want to support, which was evidenced with the immediate growth in size of crowds a day later after that Seattle protest, and the corresponding strong messages given to and embraced by those crowds about the issues that BLM supports.

You might not like it that his followers don't prefer Hillary over him as president, and that we also cheer him on for many positions and his work on them that you have a hard time criticizing too, but that's just the way it is with a movement like he's helping to lead now.

[Enthusiast]

282. +1 an entire shit load.

[Garrett78]

55. If she has evidence, she should provide it.

The author didn't offer up a shred of evidence. Where is her evidence that he's getting substantial support from libertarian or misogynistic types? There are bound to be people in every camp who are less than admirable, but the author is suggesting that Sanders is getting substantial support from such folks. *Note: I'm not presuming that she doesn't have any evidence, but if she does, she needs to share it in order for her argument to hold water. If she doesn't have any evidence, then her article is irresponsible.

By the way, Noam Chomsky (a pretty admirable person) could be described as a left wing libertarian. Being opposed to neoliberalism is a good thing. The late Howard Zinn, another admirable person (a white liberal who was a strong civil rights advocate), would not have supported Clinton.

[boston bean]

71. The evidence is her experience on the internet and with many Bernie supporters.

I'm pretty sure she isn't the only one in the world who has witnessed this. It's a pretty common phenomena.

Heck, much of the same has been stated here as well. People aren't imagining it.

[Garrett78]

82. Again, show actual evidence.

You might be confusing those who are fed up with neoliberalism, the dominant ideology of the last 30+ years, and the type of people the author is describing. Again, where is the evidence that misogynistic and libertarian types are supporting Sanders? Show me.

[boston bean]

84. The evidence is all around you. You just have to want to acknowledge it. nt

[Garrett78]

89. Still waiting...

Show me specific evidence for what the author claimed. I'm not denying that many Sanders supporters are opposed to neoliberal Clinton. But that's not the issue. Show me evidence that a substantial portion of his support is coming from misogynistic or libertarian types. Don't just say the evidence is out there. Prove it.

[boston bean]

93. Read posts on the internet. That is your proof. nt

[Garrett78]

97. Provide me a link.

I'm still waiting for actual evidence that misogynistic or libertarian types constitute a substantial portion of Sanders's support.

Not evidence that many of his supporters are opposed to Clinton, but evidence that a substantial portion of those supporters are misogynistic or libertarian. Do you see the difference?

[boston bean]

100. I'm not a link lackey..

If you are truly concerned that maybe the author is making it all up, go and do your own investigation.

I've seen it, it's all over the internet. You can do the same and then come to your own conclusion. But if you can't be bothered to try to see another side and determine for yourself, there is no link in the world that I could provide that would mean anything.

[Garrett78]

108. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

Since neither you or the author have provided a shred of evidence for the specific claims made, you have no case.

Answer me this, do you understand the difference between opposition to neoliberalism and the rightward shift of the Democratic Party and opposition based on misogyny and libertarianism??? Those are 2 completely different forms of opposition, and the author claims much of Sanders' support is based on the latter. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. So, put up or shut up as they say.

[boston bean]

109. The burden of proof is on you to convince me it hasn't occurred.

You are making a claim here in reverse of the article.

I've seen it with my own eyes. You could to, if you decided to look.

It's not for me to provide you evidence of anything. If you are truly looking for evidence you go and find it yourself.

[RoccoR5955]

141. How can someone prove that nothing has occurred?

Your logic is faulty in this case. If you have seen it, then please educate those among us who are ignorant to it.
Thank You.

[boston bean]

197. LOL.. "nothing has occurred"... hahaha

[Garrett78]

306. Sorry, that isn't how it works.

I'm not making a counter-claim. I'm merely asking for evidence to support the claim being made, which is that a substantial portion of the support for Sanders is coming (specifically) from misogynists or libertarians. Again, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Not one shred of evidence was put forth in the article, and you can't seem to provide any evidence either. If this were a court of law, your case would be dismissed. You've offered nothing to back up your claim. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

[George II]

94. The author is a woman.

[riversedge]

112. cali--I expected more from you. You really need to read her work B/4 says she is a Hillary supporter

[Broward]

26. The Dem Party has been hijacked by Third Way corporatists.

TPTB will stop at nothing to prevent Bernie and his supporters from taking the Party back.

[zeemike]

56. They can't attack him because of his record

So they paint his supporters with the white privileged libertarian misogynist racist charge.
Yep the third way is desperate to stay in power.

[Yallow]

83. Yep Us Liberal Progressive Democrats

Who hate Hillary? Really?

Anyone with a working brain would choose Hillary over the clown car if she is the nominee.

This article makes me want to puke.

The biggest problem with Hillary is every one of Sander's positions I agree with.

Her Third Way Base is a joke trying to convince my poor hard working ass to give
it up to the .01% and be satisfied with less.

Does Hillary talk about taxing the filthy rich, and using the money to fix
our nation's real problems?

(Crickets Chirping)

[leftofcool]

120. Why would Bernie want a Party back he has never cared for?

[RoccoR5955]

142. You keep up with this false meme

It is simply not true, and you know it.
Bernie has supported Democratic candidates, he caucuses with the Democratic Party.
What more do you want, blood?

[leftofcool]

170. Supported Democratic candidates?

He wanted Obama primaried in 2012. That is not exactly support now is it? As well, he has never said anything kind about the Democratic Party.

[RoccoR5955]

187. Keep with the false meme

You have this thing down pat.
Please provide me some proof where Bernie said that he wanted Obama primaried in 2012 please, as I am totally unaware of this fact of yours. Without proof, I will only presume that it is merely another of your ploys to dis the best candidate out there!

[RoccoR5955]

284. I am still waiting on your proof

as to where and when Bernie called for Obama to be primaried. No proof, your meme fails.
Thanks in advance.

[leftofcool]

319. Try this!

http://americablog.com/2011/07/sen-sanders-i-vt-suggests-obama-should-be-primaried.html

I accept your apology.

[SMC22307]

287. "Why I'm supporting Jesse Jackson"

Sanders has endorsed Vermont Democrats. If I find the post, I'll share. Think it was Cali who offered it up... more than once, actually. You must have missed it... more than once.

[blackspade]

28. I have to say I agree with the gist of the article....

Although some of the details are a little off in my opinion.

[bec]

29. Who cares when someone jumped on board?

Isn't that the point of him running; to reach as many people as possible. I don't care if they are young college kids or old folks who never heard of him before. Just be happy they are paying attention. It doesn't change his message.

[Fred Sanders]

115. Agents provocateur are hard to spot...am I right?

[ibegurpard]

33. Wait I thought his campaign had always been

Just elitist white progressives...how would elitist white progressives hijack a campaign from elitist white progressives? Do you ever get dizzy?

[leftupnorth]

34. Lmao!

Feel the Bern!

The arrow points right, is that intentional?

[DemByDefault]

36. It speaks volumes

That all the Pro-Clinton zealots in here are clutching onto this piece of shit hit piece and using it to try and tarnish Bernie and the coalition of real progressives he's building.

Says more to me about those in the Clinton camp than anything..

[boston bean]

45. The article doesn't trash Bernie. It is very positive to him.

What is not positive is how many of his supporters have shown a tone deafness to true liberal ideals.

I've always like Bernie Sanders, agree with him on much. But I got to say, I wonder what makes him attract people so diametrically opposed to the ideals I hold dear, and it does tarnish him in a way. Cause I don't want to throw my lot in with people who I have come of the opinion would rather attack blm and women rather than have their backs and understand their reasoning for doing what they have been doing.

[DemByDefault]

64. I'm sorry

But I refuse to be lectured about liberal purity from anybody who so zealously supports the candidate in the race most willing to sell out our liberal principals for money or political convenience. Nice try though.

[boston bean]

68. It wasn't a lecture. It was telling you how I felt about it.

You don't want to hear that, then you don't have to make posts to me.

Hillary is a liberal, has liberal principles and will make an extraordinary President of the United States!

[DemByDefault]

107. She's certainly well qualified

And believe it or not, it is possible for me as a white male (with two young daughters btw) who prefers Sen Sanders, to not be a misogynistic white supremist, as your post would infer.

So if for no other reason than Mrs. Clinton being a steward for women's health issues, Il hold my nose and vote for her in the general. Don't worry yourself 'bout that.

But that woman is no progressive.

[Armstead]

127. Ever heard of the term "coalition"

A coalition is a group of people who my not agree on everything, but share agreement on a particular issue or solution, and agree to set aside their other differences to achieve that particular goal.

It is the nature of politics. It was coalitions that brought about many social and economic advances.

[boston bean]

128. I sorta of draw a line with joining in with people who criticize civil rights movements.

You can find that to be a bad strategy, but I'll stick with it. I have some principles too.

[Armstead]

131. People who criticize civil rights movements?

What the hell does that even mean?

[boston bean]

139. ie, the arguments out there that BLM is wrong, don't they know that Bernie is the best for them.

Black people are conspiring with Hillary Clinton, as if they didn't have minds of their own.

and the list could go on and on and on.

[Armstead]

153. Bernie and other white progressives has been fighting for civil rights for decades. Therefore....

those who criticize him and other progressives are criticizing a civil rights movement. White progressives have worked with black activists for decades.

Ergo sum, if BLM criticizes them, they are criticizing a civil rights movement, (Regardless of the merits or flaws of BLM's position.)

Therefore, using your logic, the fact that BLM has a disagreement with an existing civil rights movement means you should not want to form a coalition with BLM either.

ergo sum.....Your exclusionary logic is illogical (as well as counterproductive to the underlying goal of advancing civil rights.

[boston bean]

160. Bernie is not the civil rights movement.

This is 2015. It's not the 1960s and economic issues are not the most pressing issue when people are being murdered.

Black persons murdered in police custody due to racism and multiple women every day due to misogyny.

The criticism began when people pointed this out and starting voicing their concern that economic justice was missing the mark on what was most important to them. Was there a coming together? NO. Instead people were inundated with retorts that econ justice would solve it all.

There were people who decided the BLM movement wasn't as pure on civil rights as Bernie Sanders. LOL

That they were conspiring with Hillary to make Bernie look bad.

That they were hurting themselves.

Instead of support, they got derision.

Think about how it could have easily been different.

Now, it's the truth of the matter. His supporters were so thin skinned on this issue, that it provided a glimpse into a more insidious outlook.

One that was earned.

And sadly, a strategy that still continues to this day.

[Armstead]

182. i am just referring to your double standard in your interpretation of "coalition"

Whether you agree with the approach of Bernie and other "white progressives" to achieving the goals of civil rights is not the point. No is the fact that some got defensive in response to a direct confrontation.

You said you wonlt join with people who criticize otehr civil rights movements. in a coalition.

But you exempt BLM'c criticism of Sanders/white progressives from that.

Therefore you don't really believe in coalitions, by you definition. Instead everyone has to agree with a specific group and/or support to be acceptable.

I you want to undercut a larger cialition because of it......Well good luck with that.

[boston bean]

188. It is exactly to the point of the article and the treatment by Bernie supporters to

those who bring up their important issues and life experiences.

Like I say, I draw the line with supporting people who are criticizing and basically attacking a civil rights movement. I want no part of that.

I don't want to join with people who feel one is more important than the other, or that my and others experiences and wants and needs are less than. I don't want to be associated with persons who act in this way. Which I personally have come to the conclusion were acting racist whether or not they were able to or unable to recognize it consciously. I do believe that people were so tone deaf and angry and defensive to recognize what they were saying was racist, whether or not they were/are, were not/are not racist is irrelevant.

mea culpa.

[truebrit71]

37. Total. Fucking. Horseshit.

But other than that, an excellent article...

[leveymg]

38. If the words White and Black were transposed, the OP would be hidden as racist.

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This is just more of the same unfounded, racially-divisive meme that has smeared Sanders and his supporters for months. It is racist, and it is disgusting. It is a direct attack on DU and most of its Members.

It is part of the ironic hijacking of DU in a political dirty-tricks operation by a rump faction of Hillary supporters.

[questionseverything]

266. did you also notice the smear on folks that expect the 4th amendment to be followed?

as if our right to privacy is NOT a civil right

or the smear of people concerned that we are going broke jailing our own sons and daughters with the "war on drugs"?

[Warren DeMontague]

327. "whose myopic priorities are pot laws and the privacy of their emails"

Yeah, whatever the fuck.

[LWolf]

42. The ironic irony of Sarah Jones,

whose broad-brush hit piece is nastier, more rabid, more hateful, less genuine, and more vicious than those she is attacking.

[beam me up scottie]

57. She is the kind of woman I swore I would never become.

She probably thinks her critics are misogynists too.

[cascadiance]

246. It's also ironic that many who support Bernie like myself, have supported Elizabeth Warren running..

... and still have images in their profile, as I continuously have had. And we're all lumped in by some who want to call us "misogynist" because we feel a certain woman is not who we feel should be president, even though early on, a woman was OUR CHOICE to be president before Bernie and not her entered the race.

[beam me up scottie]

249. It's a cowardly tactic.

It's much easier to scream MISOGYNY! every time someone criticizes Hillary than to actually refute that criticism.

[cascadiance]

257. Yep, early on that was one reason why I was hoping Warren would get in the race...

... because I knew that we would get the gender cards constantly being thrown at us if we were to support any other male candidate, and Warren running would make it harder to avoid just comparing her as a candidate like Hillary on the issues rather than her gender. I guess sadly, I was right about my prediction of this happening.

[beam me up scottie]

260. Fwiw, no one in their right mind is buying what Sarah is selling.

It's typical PUMA behaviour and everyone knows it.

Same shit different year.

[AllyCat]

46. Because I think all workers should make fair pay,

Women need access to contraception, everyone deserves health care and education, and the rich should pay their fair share...that makes me a white elitist? Whatever.

[Gothmog]

49. Good OP

[beam me up scottie]

50. Sanders supporters eat babies too.

It's true!

I read it on Twitter.


- signed, Sarah Jones, a concerned troll for Hillary, er I mean a sincere Sanders supporter

[Fred Sanders]

114. Neither Sanders or Clinton are attacking each other. Does that truth, as stated in the OP, scare you?

Post one attack by Bernie Sanders on Hillary Clinton and vice versa....just ONE?

[leftofcool]

121. She can't. There has been not one!

[beam me up scottie]

125. Why would l bother refuting ferd's straw man?

Are you new at this?

[Fred Sanders]

137. Asking for evidence to back up a personal conduct claim is a "Strawman logical fallacy"? Better tell that to all lawyers!

To me, folks using emoticons in lieu of writing is because the emoticons are better than the writing.

[beam me up scottie]

148. Who made a "personal conduct claim"?

I think folks who erect strawmen instead of addressing what was actually posted are dishonest.

[Fred Sanders]

150. Neither Sanders or Clinton are personally attacking or bringing down each other. Prove me wrong.

Surely someone can find a single example of personal conduct of the candidates themselves? This can not be an unreasonable request when there are so many!

And then you win and I lose.

By one example....just one....

[beam me up scottie]

156. I never said they were, Ferd. That's why it's a straw man.

I have no idea what you're going on about but I am sure it has nothing to do with what I posted.

I look at your post and all I see is "Hillary and Bernie - Proof me wrong!!1! ARGLE BARGLE!!!"

[Fred Sanders]

157. If the candidates are not attacking each other, as you concede, then who ARE these supporters doing so? And why?

Who benefits, and why?

Agents provocateur perhaps - enemies of all our candidates?

[beam me up scottie]

163. I said what?

HELLO?

Is this thing on? *taps mic*

[beam me up scottie]

124. Truth in the op, Ferd? You keep using that word...

This kind of hurt fee fee hit piece is just as vile as the race baiting "Not good enough Bernie" op.

Good to know it's not just iwishiwassmartpants doing the swift boating.

[boston bean]

181. Why do you keep misspelling Fred as "Ferd"? nt

[beam me up scottie]

185. Why, does it bother you?

Cuz gee whiz I'd sure hate to ruin all the fun you're having trying to defend Sarah the loon and her spittle flecked manifesto.

[boston bean]

191. It was just a question. Did it bother you that I asked?

[beam me up scottie]

194. Oh yes, terribly!

I'll probably need a therapist now.

Perhaps Sarah can give me the number of hers.

That persecution complex must be costing her a fortune.

[boston bean]

195. Weird such a simple question could cause all of that.

But good luck, anyhow.

[beam me up scottie]

203. Well you know we Bernie supporters are emotionally unstable like that.

Never know what we might do, just ask Sarah, she seems to be quite the expert in her own mind.

[boston bean]

205. Maybe you do.. nt

[Cha]

301. Because they're not as clever as they think they are. They have nothing of substance so they

resort to personal attacks.

[beam me up scottie]

307. Do tell cha.

You wouldn't know anything about those would you?

[Gothmog]

316. You are correct Cha

[Cha]

330. I know that's right, Gothmog!

[Puglover]

299. Haven't you heard...

It's EVERYWHERE on the internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cause like I typed it on DU and ALL of my friends PMed me and said so.


This has got to be some sort of performance art. Or complete narcissism. Not sure which.

[beam me up scottie]

300. It's a sport.

Hillary's opportunists don't care about civil rights, if they did they wouldn't keep exploiting the issues.

First it was poc, then women and now they're claiming that Bernie didn't support lgbt rights.

And I just read that Vermont purposely excludes minorities.

What. The. Fuck.

[boston bean]

51. A little birdie told me the OP is being juried right now>>

Alerters comments:

This is an ugly, vicious hit-piece that is disruptive, DIVISIVE, rude, insensitive, OVER-THE-TOP, and offers nothing productive in the way of discussion.

I think it is giving us a good conversation. I don't know why someone would want to shut it down.

[sheshe2]

62. Good Luck bean!

Hope it's a leave. Sad when only some voices are allowed to be heard. I gotta run. I will be back tonight.

[Fred Sanders]

118. The agents provocateur are stirring up quite the mess and alerting like crazy.

This self-policing by DU only works if some of the police force looks the other way at double agents.

[Vattel]

52. More primary silliness

[Armstead]

130. It's more than silliness unfortunately

It's divide people who ultimately are allies, and exaggerate legitimate differences and turn it into hatred...of those who should be allies.

[boston bean]

136. The division started with not including others who have a different life experience.

With a focus on econ justice as the cure all, and criticizing anyone else who didn't happen to feel that way.

Then, when it was slammed in peoples faces (net roots, Seattle), all sorts of conspiracy theories, and I would say racial arguments being made against those bringing it to the forefront were made.

There would have been no division if a bunch white persons hadn't gone off the freaking deep end with a simple criticism/difference of opinion, but instead took it as a personal affront to their liberal credentials. It was tone deaf, so tone deaf in fact, that it hurt progressives and liberals with voting blocks are huge in our coalition.

[1StrongBlackMan]

184. +1,000 ...

Seems folks can't seem to understand it is they who are being "divivise".

[Gothmog]

317. The response to this thread really prove the premise of the article cited in the OP

[1StrongBlackMan]

318. I believe so ...

But many chose not to see it.

[Gothmog]

326. How are you doing?

Things have been busy for me at work. It is fun when you are busy in my line

[1StrongBlackMan]

341. Things are going great! ...

Things get really exciting in HR during/immediately after a merger/take-over.

[cascadiance]

252. If we had labeled all BLM supporters as "black supremacists", the reaction would have been huge!

... and those that made those claims would be rightly outed. But people haven't made those comments, even us "white supremacists" which according to you was a "simple criticism/difference of opinion". Reversing the roles wouldn't have been regarded as such.

It was UNNECESSARY to label us and Bernie by making that sort of comment to still do some effective civil disobedience that most of us do support, and NOT constructive to helping the BLM movement. We were sorry to hear that sort of criticism, not only because of it being directed in an unwarranted fashion towards most of us in a way that is hard not to take personally, but because we didn't want to see the BLM movement hurt by that sort of action, which most of us support heavily and don't want to see sidetracked by that kind of divisionary tactic. For those to say that us criticizing that move is "the problem", is itself also a problem as well, which manifests itself here with the only tactic that many feel they can use to try to shut down a movement to support Bernie in the White House. Unnecessary attacks on us collectively, and then demonize our responses to those kind of attacks.

[Fred Sanders]

320. Even thinking of blacks as supremacists is ignoring all of history! You do Sanders no favors.

[cascadiance]

336. I never said I did or would! I was just saying if the roles were switched...

...and others in effect said the same kind of words towards them, to draw a picture of how those INSULTS were undeserved and UNCONSTRUCTIVE!

Now if instead they'd come out and say something like "Even you as white progressives out there have still to come to grips with the white privilege you have had in your lives, that many of us as POC have not had the opportunity to have had, even if you don't realize the extent you have it, and you also don't realize the horrific things many of us have had to endure daily in our lives that typify the experience of those of POC, that have just started to be made visible lately through cameras that weren't able to document those experiences before to you."

Now THAT I would have taken in and applauded for a frankness that many even a lot of us who are progressive in our views should hear, so as to keep us all aware of the depths of problems that POC have had. Now it critiques how we have had privileges over what POC have had to deal with, and that we need to be aware of it, but it doesn't directly accuse of us consciously being racist towards others, which is a personality trait that cannot be generalized, and when generalized on those that are trying to be your friend, is not helpful.

To blame Sanders to our negative reactions to those insults is very unfair, and though the insults followed by blaming him or us might not be a calculated move, you can't blame some for seeing that it's likely aim was to cause division, when they could see no other constructive reason that those insults were said then.

Now, I'd like to put this crap behind us, like many in BLM movement have done already in trying to respond to efforts by Sanders and his people to meet with BLM in a very positive manner recently. I'd also like to put it behind us for those of us who took exception to these comments too, as I have and still do believe that the vast majority of BLM people don't feel this way about us, and I stand with and behind them with all of my heart. Please stop from generalizing to the rest of us having any kind of widespread attitude that we DON'T have that I only conjectured that if we did, would not be accepted either which was my way of trying to show it was not acceptable to us at the time, and we can't accept blame for taking exception to those comments.

Let's start over again, PLEASE! If we want to get anything accomplished, we need to stop this kind of division.

[Vattel]

196. I guess you are right about that. It would be funny if it didn't suck so much.

Some people do seem to desperately want to believe and convince others that the average white progressive who supports Bernie is a fucked up racist. I wonder, though, whether they are really having much success. Most people are sensible enough to know that there is no reason to suppose that the average Bernie supporter is any worse than the average Hillary supporter. I hope so anyway.

[drm604]

66. "Elitist White Progressives"

I don't think I ever heard that phrase before the Bernie campaign. It sounds like something the right would invent.

Elitist, misogynistic, racist, priggish, self-satisfied progressives whose main concerns are pot laws and email privacy. That's quite a straw man they're building.

[Yallow]

96. Don't Let Bernie Stop The Gravy Train!!!

"Elitist, misogynistic, racist, priggish, self-satisfied progressives whose main concerns are pot laws and email privacy"

And economic fairness, the environment, and the future of our f-ing overcooked planet.

Self satisfied?

Any more insults?

I think the author just pulled this article right out of her rectum.

Attacking Bernie's supporters for wanting a better country, and world, and a government that works
for all of us, not just the .01%

The billionaires will pull out anything to stop the Sanders Revolution from interrupting their gravy train.

[MisterP]

291. it would be instructive to track when these stock phrases appeared

[beam me up scottie]

308. "libertarian liberals" "elitists" SQUAWK! Sarah wanna cracker!

I think we're supposed to be intimidated by her genius.

[jalan48]

67. Is this the Onion?

[Armstead]

69. That is the most offensive crap I've read here in a while

Gee I wonder if I am an "acceptable" supporter of Sanders or just another spoiled "priggish" angry (and I guess racist) white supporter of him.

I am one of those "genuine" long timeSanders supporters. But I don't know which side of the progressive circular firing squad should I align myself with? .....Oh wait. That doesn't matter, because if you're part of a circular firing squad, the end result is all the same.

Bernies has been one of my heroes in Congress since his early days in DC.
He resonated with me for decades, because he was highlighting injustices, and helping to create a truly progressive/liberal bloc in Congress to counter the bullshit of GOP CONservatism and its Democratic "Third Way Centrist" counterpart.

Way back in the 1990's -- when Democrats were claiming credit for the increasingly unequal and devastating "unending boom" and were placing right wing shill Alan Greenspan on a pedestal, Sanders was castigating Greenspan publicly and trying to draw attention to the ugly truth about the darkness growing below the bright shiny New Economy.

And on a more positive note, Sanders was also advocating for alternatives to achieve economic and social justice at a time when such talk was dismissed as irrelevant by the "adults' in power in the Democratic Party as sooooo 1960's and unacceptable to "swing voters."

And I feel totally insulted by the author's false narrative that is going to -- once again -- stop actual progress, and will undermine Sanders message, which she claims to agree with.

It's a bunch of needlessly divisive crap. And one reason we will continue to enable the nation's ongoing march into the dumpster led by empowered oligarchs because liberals and progressives are too busy conducting circular firing squads among "factions" based on phony sources of division.

[ibegurpard]

76. consider who posted it

And all those chiming in with support and dismiss it accordingly.

[mountain grammy]

104. I agree with you. This article is needlessly offensive and divisive

and even sounds a bit desperate. Attack Democrats supporting a liberal Democrat? What insulting bullshit to lifelong liberals, myself included, who have stuck to our beliefs despite the endless battering from the right to now be attacked by so called "Bernie supporters." Sorry, I just don't get it.

[kath]

189. Thanks for this post, Armstead.

You should consider making the middle three paragraphs about Bernie into an OP.

[jtuck004]

72. Damning with faint praise

Damning with faint praise is an English idiom for words that effectively condemn by seeming to offer praise which is too moderate or marginal to be considered praise at all. In other words, this phrase identifies the act of expressing a compliment so feeble that it amounts to no compliment at all, or even implies a kind of condemnation.

~~~

[Enthusiast]

77. Enthusiastically unrecommended.

[Javaman]

79. Meh. nt

[Blue State Bandit]

85. That's a mighty broad brush she's painting with,

and a heck of a job race-baiting an election between 2 white people.

[Skwmom]

91. Hmm... who hates the white progressives who helped Obama beat Clinton... n/t

[Armstead]

146. The irony is too subtle for some

and the memories are too short

[cyberswede]

99. That opinion piece is entirely full of shit.

is right.

[passiveporcupine]

333. Well, the OP certainly got what they wanted by posting it

So it really doesn't even matter if it's accurate or anything.

Divided we fall.

[raindaddy]

105. Hillaryous!!! Don't trust anyone that attacks Hillary's positions..

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They can't attack Bernie so they're trying to go after his supporters.. Are they really this desperate?

There's a new radioactive hoard of white liberals coming out of the woodwork bolstering the numbers at Bernie's rallies. Hillary haters who have been waiting in the shadows, smoking pot just waiting for someone who might be able to end Hillary's rise to her rightful position as the President of the United States...

They're racist, misogynist Hillary haters and there's millions of em coming out of the woodwork trying to unfairly portray Hillary Clinton as a candidate who doesn't support the same populist ideas as Bernie Sanders.

This is so bad I thought it might be the Onion... Thanks for the laugh!!!

[DrBulldog]

111. Unfortunately it is an editorial - an opinion - with little substantiantion . . .

. . . and written by a woman using strong language relative to Hillary Clinton. So the critical reader should treat it with considerable circumspection.

[riversedge]

113. Keep up the "good' work.....

she says you are driving minorities to Hillary. Hence, IMHO, the word 'ironic' in her title.




...Do they think this is helping their cause? The answer to this question should put to rest any lingering notion that these are stellar intellectuals. These are feelers. Their feelings are everything. They don’t care about voting records or policies, unless they can cherry pick them. It’s all ferocious indignation and regressive poutage all the time. They are the emotional infants of the alleged “left”, but in their closed-minded refusal to deal with facts, their blind anger and their cowardly attacks, they are really actually conservatives. In other words, the opposite of Senator Sanders.

As with all political failures of the typical reactionary, they keep scoring for the other side. If their goal is to drive all minorities to Hillary Clinton, job well done. This response, however, is not fair as it isn’t based on the actual candidate. But it is the inevitable result of such a glaring lack of actual liberal values.

[frylock]

254. We've been told for months now that minority voters were all in for Hillary..

now we're told that priggish elitist progressives are driving minorities to Hillary? Okay.

[mountain grammy]

116. I just have to say..

since 1980, liberal Democrats have dealt with a national campaign to destroy the liberal brand. Now, just when we are finding our national voice with a true liberal leader, we are bashed by our own party.

I will not apologize for my support of Bernie because, though the years, on almost every issue, Bernie has voted the way I would vote, and the way most liberals would vote. Some of us pay attention to this tiny detail.

[leftofcool]

123. Okay, I am confused.

First, Bernie supporters say that the Democratic Party is all "third way." Now, you say, his supporters are being bashed "by their own party."

[mountain grammy]

166. I never said the party was "all third way"

nor do I believe that. As a liberal, I simply will support who I believe to be the most liberal candidate and I don't feel the need to disparage other Democrats to do it.

[leftofcool]

176. Thank you.

I guess I have been called "third way" so many times here on DU.

[Fred Sanders]

149. Historical precedent is not helpful this time around. The barren and lawless campaign money law landscape is

like nothing America has seen before. Corruption is everywhere. The mass media has been even so corrupted by this vsrload of money,seen and unseen.

Vast sums of money, and the propaganda and shit-stirring that money buys, is on overdrive.

It is more important than ever that the Democratic Party stay united...these are not ordinary times.

Neither Sanders or Clinton have attacked each other....am I wrong about that?

[mountain grammy]

178. No, you are not wrong..

This author brings up an isolated incident by a few people to make her point. Ridiculous observations, in my opinion, and not worth mentioning.
I'm sorry I even commented. Usually I ignore stuff like this, but it is offensive.

[stupidicus]

122. she's no doubt referring to stealth HC supporters

attempting to burn Bernie by way of association.

This is like saying BHO shoulda "reeled in" his supporters back in 2012 that were running around here and elsewhere labeling every critic of his as this and that and worse.

As I've contended before then and since, you third wayers are the minority, and for good cause -- including the pottymouth in defense of your leaders.

the worst of them are like stealth HC supporters posing as BS supporters in an effort to undermine BS in the only way they can -- "his supporters are mean to me/them/etc" -- like the log in their eyes has blinded them to their not so distant, aforementioned past.

[SoapBox]

126. Bullshit.

So what is "Sarah's" objective with this tripe?

Oh...she supports HRC.

Next.

[turbinetree]

135. In your rant you forgot.............................

one group that has been decimated by the "all" and that is the Native Americans-------------------
And that is why I support Bernie Sanders--------------------as a Native American by my mother----------------------at least I think and feel, from my father and mothers teachings with my democratic liberal socialists values of 64 years that I can trust someone who actually supports the Native American people------------------------that is in my opinion is my principles
And if anyone should by chance go onto the Pine Ridge Reservation just maybe they can look and see just how good they have it when compared to the Native culture on the reservation



Honk----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[beam me up scottie]

152. You should be glad Sarah isn't exploiting your people too.

As a woman I find her tactics insulting and sexist.

Many of us don't appreciate being treated like we're stupid.

Her broad brushing is every bit as offensive as it is when the GOP does it.

Great post, btw.

[turbinetree]

164. I am offended........................................

very much so and my democratic socialistic liberal values says so. My Native Heritage says so.
We are "all" in this together and this divide and conquer rant I read, is just that, divide and conquer.

Thank you, for your support, and I support you


Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[beam me up scottie]

171. Wow! You totally rock!

"Finally, let's understand that when we stand together, we will always win."

- Bernie Sanders

[turbinetree]

200. Thank you............................

Now, I think that the individual that started this piece should apologize to "everyone"-----------------You and I and many others are offended and deserve better treatment

Again, Thank you

[historylovr]

223. +1. Well said.

[turbinetree]

237. A big Thank you.......................

I also am a history lover....................







Honk---------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[nadinbrzezinski]

138. Continue to drive a stake in the Democratic Party

Good job!!!!

[boston bean]

143. Really? I'm driving a stake in the Democratic Party?

Most people here on this website can't stand the Democratic Party.

And I'm the one driving a stake into it? LOL

[Fred Sanders]

155. Democratic Party registered members do like steaks...what is the big deal about steaks?

[SMC22307]

290. "Most people here on this website can't stand the Democratic Party."

Prove it.

[SamKnause]

140. What about all the Bernie supporters

that do not tweet, twitter, and are not on Facebook ???

I fall into that group.

This is the only site I post on.

I want cannabis legalized because of the damage and deaths it has caused to the

people of this country and all over the world.

I want cannabis legalized because the police in the U.S. are killing people because of cannabis.

I want cannabis legalized because we have millions of people whose lives have

been ruined because of the police, the DEA, and our 'justice' system.

I want our prisons to be emptied of cannabis users.

Does that make me elitist ???

I have always been for the underdog.

I hate when anyone is treated unfairly.

Does that make me elitist ???

I don't like Hillary's policies.

Does that make me elitist ???

I live below the poverty line.

Does that make me elitist ???

I have never been to a Starbucks or owned or drove a Volvo.

Does that make me elitist ???

I want equality for all.

Does that make me elitist ???

I want Wall Street punished for their illegal activities.

Does that make me elitist ???

I want Wall Street heavily regulated.

Does that make me elitist ???

I want a minimum wage of $15.00 per hour.

Does that make me elitist.

I want the Democratic Party to take a hard turn to the left instead of

continuing their move to the right.

Does that make me elitist ???

I have never been a fan of Ron Paul, Rand Paul, or Sarah Palin.

Does that make me elitist ???

I have criticized president Obama because of his appointments and his poor

negotiating skills in regards to Republican policies.

Does that make me elitist ???

The crowds I see that support Bernie do not appear to be elitists.

They look like everyday Americans to me.

I don't see them showing up to rallies in stretch limos, ball gowns, and tuxes.

I don't want more of the same, I want change.

I want this country to treat everyone equally.

I want this country to be what I know it can be.

I want affordable child care. (I don't have any children)

I want equal pay for women.

I want Social Security to be expanded and benefits increased.

I want a single payer health care system.

I want women to have access to all forms of contraception and abortion.

I want college to be available to anyone who wants an education.

I want corporations to pay their taxes and stop hiding their profits in off shore accounts.

I want homeless people to be treated with respect and housing provided.

I want someone to be president that hasn't voted for the disastrous trade

deals that are destroying this country.

I want someone to be president that doesn't vote for invasions and wars based on

false and flimsy evidence.

I guess I am just another elitist that supports Bernie.

[ctsnowman]

192. .

[hootinholler]

198. The person writing the article

Forgot all around poopyheadedness!

Great list!

[passiveporcupine]

334. If you are an elitist, so am I

[cheapdate]

144. What a vicious, ugly article.

Without a hint of irony, Jones condemns "angry white progressives" and then proceeds to throw every name in the book at her otherwise nameless enemy..."nasty, teabagger-type viciousness"..."rabidly attacking anyone"..."zealous, rabid hate"...etc, etc, etc.

[Larkspur]

145. With the same broad brush this author used, Hillary supporters are...

whores for Wall Street. They only care about winning and if that means selling out Democratic principles to get their candidate in the WH, so be it. Only the 'D' after the candidates name matters, not what their candidate stands for. If she has to toss candy or red meat to the base, do it in a mealy-mouth way or better yet, tell the base they will have to wait until after she gets in the WH for her answers for their questions.

This author's line of reasoning resembles that of those who attacked Sen. Warren's critique of TPP and the banksters. It reeks of Wall Street mentality. It also is a sure sign that Sanders is being considered a major threat to Hillary by her supporters and/or a sign that they are jealous of the large enthusiastic crowds Bernie is attracting, crowd sizes that Hillary's supporters fear their candidate cannot generate.

Despite the polls showing that Hilliary still has a large lead, attacking Bernie's supporters is a sign that Hillary's supporters FEAR Bernie and his campaign and that he will expose the soft support Hillary really has in those polls.

I do love the smell of fear from the Hillary camp.

[Lisa D]

215. LOL! OPs like your post pop up every day on DU.

Hillary supporters are broad-brushed with names like "Third Way" "Corporatists" "Poopyheads" (Okay, paraphrasing that last one, but it's not far off), and worse.

I wish we could all focus on just supporting our candidates, instead of posting hit jobs that masquerade as "issues". But I guess some people have too much fun throwing sand in the sandbox

[Thinkingabout]

151. Damn, I would have thought those supporting Bernie would love the proBernie statements like

Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is a man who has always advocated for the underdogs, for women, for minorities.


Senator Sanders is pushing an election of ideas and policies, and former Secretary Hillary Clinton is right there with him.

The point the writer was trying to make are ideals Bernie holds dear is getting trashed by those "claiming" to be Bernie supporters but are not actually supporting Bernie's ideals. She is trying to say there are post negative to Bernie's ideas of helping the underdogs, this is not negative against Bernie but to those who could care less about minorities, women and the underdogs.

I am a Hillary supporter but come on, Sarah Jones has written a pro Bernie article and doesn't wrap her arms around the idea of trashing Bernie's support of minorities, women and underdogs.

[RufusTFirefly]

158. Ah yes. Another article from a "concerned" Bernie supporter

We've had a few homegrown manifestations of this particular phenomenon here at DU.
I know how much it must pain them to "tell the truth" about Bernie's supporters.

[L0oniX]

169. OMG ...they found out about us ...this is a catastrophy.

[RufusTFirefly]

172. Bookmarking for later. Have to dash off to attend my weekly Klan meeting. n/t

[Enthusiast]

278. ...

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[L0oniX]

159. OMG! You don't say?

[Springslips]

161. Orwellian Double Speak

The candidate who is said to have no chance, who rages against economic inequities, who is said to be a socialist, who mostly rely on small, individual donations is the elitists choice; meanwhile the candidate that is funded by big banks, has a huge bank account, is connected to Walmart, has the stamp of approval from party high ups, refuses to say anything sustantial about economic problems, is the peoples candidate. That's rich. That's projection at it finest.

[last1standing]

167. Nice right-wing dogwhistles you've posted there.

Only in the land of wingnuts are the 99% called "elitists" while the 1% are considered kind of good hard working white folk that Hillary courts.

[Historic NY]

173. Reminds me more of the LaRouche Legions.

.

[Sancho]

175. This is exactly what I saw several months ago, and also is reflected in the polls...

My name for these white folks is "Archie Bunkers". I also think there are some who are gun-lovers, some who are either anti-path-to-citizenship, and some who clearly showing up on DU!!!

[whatchamacallit]

183. PUMATASTIC!

[beam me up scottie]

186. Ikr? The op should come with a trigger warning.

I'm having 2008 flashbacks.

[whatchamacallit]

193. I'm bookmarking so I can link this disgusting garbage

every time a Hillary supporter bemoans decorum.

[beam me up scottie]

206. You want to see one from a HC supporter who should have been shown the door?

Last edited Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:48 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251506371

I've never seen anything from a Bernie supporter that even comes close to using the n-word.

[whatchamacallit]

213. Yeah, I saw that

It was a real moment.

[beam me up scottie]

230. They really try to claim the high road though, don't they?

We're the bad guys.

[cheapdate]

234. No need to name them. The collective "they" is good enough.

We know who you mean -- them.

[beam me up scottie]

236. They - as in HC supporters if you bothered to read my previous post.

Specifically the ones calling Bernie's supporters out for their bad behaviour while posting racist ops like the one in my link.

[cheapdate]

342. I read some, but not all, of your earlier posts.

None of which, for me, established who "they" might be with any confidence. Postatomic seems to be one of "them" because she/he posted a dubious (yet I presume honest) argument regarding Sanders and the Ferguson anniversary.

"They" being "HC supporters...calling Bernie's supporters out for their bad behaviour while posting racist ops" comprise a pretty small group of people, it seems to me.

(edit: P.S. the logic of calling Postatomic's post "racist" -- if that's what I'm hearing -- because she/he implied that Sanders was insufficiently concerned over racial problems in Ferguson, totally escapes me. If you could it explain it, then I might understand it better.)

[Warren Stupidity]

292. Indeed. The strenuous efforts here to revive the shit storm of 2008 are fascinating.

What is curious is that it is pretty clear that Clinton, unless she withdraws, will lock the nomination up in short order. So why are her alleged supporters so determined to turn DU into a giant feces-flinging melee?

[JDPriestly]

199. Odd. I talk to a lot of Sanders supporters and so far, none of them resemble in the slightest

the person that the author of that hit piece describes. None of them.

The only reason that this kind of article gets posted on DU is that Hillary fans don't have much good to say about their candidate.

Have Sanders supporters prevented Hillary from giving any speeches?

I think not.

It's the conduct of the Hillary supporters that should be questioned.

Hillary supporters seem to be unable to explain why they support their candidate other than to post poll numbers or talk about endorsements.

We Sanders supporters know why we support Sanders rather than Hillary. But Hillary supporters just keep repeating that they support her because she will win. That is no reason to support a candidate this early in the game.

The hit piece is yet another bit of desperation posted by Hillary supporters in lieu of a real explanation about why they prefer Hillary to Bernie.

This is quite an interesting campaign. Bernie supporters know why they support their candidate. Hillary supporters throw mud. What is going on here?

[PatrickforO]

210. I do a lot of writing, and over the years I've come to see that

my finest work often goes to line bird cages.

This article is great birdcage lining material.

[Enthusiast]

279. +100%!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

216. not many white progressives in my neck of the woods

mainly Black and Asian supporters!! The students are mainly White.

[aikoaiko]

218. She's a real role model for positive political discussion.

[cherokeeprogressive]

220. The first two paragraphs are simply fucking LUDICROUS.

"Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is a man who has always advocated for the underdogs, for women, for minorities. And so it’s exceptionally ironic and troubling that his campaign is being hijacked by priggish, self-satisfied, angry white progressives. The elitist, misogynistic kind whose myopic priorities are pot laws and the privacy of their emails. Oh, and their zealous, rabid hate for former Secretary Hillary Clinton.

They don’t care about liberal values or the fact that three women are murdered every day in this country by an “intimate” partner or that black people are being systemically murdered by the police. They are very busy pretending to care about Wall Street, while not seeing or admitting how keeping minorities down enables Wall Street’s abuses and power over D.C."

You got ONE thing right in posting this: Your smilie. Every post containing jaw dropping stupidity such as that bullshit should, BY RULE, have the jawdrop smilie.

[Zorra]

222. *snort* Check it out, the author of the OP, Sarah Jones, can't even get critical facts straight.

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We all make mistakes. But she's a journalist, and the co-publisher of polticusUSA, shamelessly pulling another filthy bullshit race card out of her sleeve in order to smear Bernie Sanders supporters...

Not good enough, Sarah...

Here she plainly states, (third paragraph at the link in the OP), that a Social Security Works event in Seattle was a Bernie Sanders event, and implies that people in the crowd purportedly expressing racial slurs were Bernie Sanders supporters:

An example of this behavior took place that the Bernie Sanders event in Seattle that was disrupted by Black Lives Matter activists. There were reports or racial slurs being directed at the activists by members of the audience.

Not true. It was not even a Bernie Sanders event. Once again, the facts prove that a desperate Clinton supporter attempting to smear Bernie and/or Bernie supporters is lying gravely uninformed and mistaken.

SEATTLE (July 31, 2015) — Organizers of an anniversary celebration rally for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid planned for Saturday, Aug. 8 in downtown Seattle announced today that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has accepted an invitation to attend and speak at the event.

“We are very excited to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Medicare and Medicaid and the 80th anniversary of Social Security,” said Robby Stern of Social Security Works – Washington, which is organizing the Aug. 8 event, and President of the Puget Sound Advocates for Retirement Action. “We are particularly honored to welcome Senator Bernie Sanders, one of the national advocacy leaders for strengthening and expanding these three critical programs.”

It will be Sanders’ first visit to Washington state since announcing his candidacy for the Democratic nomination in the 2016 presidential election.

SocSec-anniversary-15Aug08The Social Security & Medicare Celebration will be from 1 to 3 p.m. on Saturday, Aug. 8 at Westlake Plaza, 400 Pine St. in downtown Seattle.

http://www.thestand.org/2015/07/sanders-to-attend-social-security-medicare-event-aug-8-in-seattle/

Shameless. So who you gonna believe, the author of yet another desperate hit piece from a Clinton supporter, or what you see with your own eyes?


While Bernie, and Bernie supporters, have been in the streets struggling and protesting for civil rights, and against Wall Street, Wall St. wars, and the WTO, from the early 60's through Occupy Wall St., struggling for economic and social justice, center right yuppies (many/most of whom are now Clinton supporters) and RW republicans have been getting rich working for Wall St. and companies who start wars for profit, and sipping wine or lattes while sitting on their expensive leather sofas, watching TV and cheering on the cops while they watched us (us meaning those who are now Bernie supporters) get beaten with batons, get pepper sprayed, and thrown in jail. Trust me on this, no Bernie supporters were cheering the cops on while we were getting attacked by them.

It's not Bernie supporters who were tearing down and hating on Occupy Wall St. day after day on DU, the rest of the internet, and in IRL, it was right leaning centrists (many/most of whom are now supporting Clinton) and their free market global capitalism Wall St. loving republican political kin.


And I have the search function to prove it, over and over and over.

Once again. a Clinton supporter proves that their candidate has so few positives that they have to make shit up about others, in order to have anything at all to campaign for her candidate with.

Facts:

Hillary Clinton (D)
Contributors
Donor Demographics
Top Contributors, federal election data
Election cycles covered: 2016

Select data type:

Morgan & Morgan $274,767
Sullivan & Cromwell $148,100
Akin, Gump et al $125,598
Yale University $95,434
Latham & Watkins $94,580
Morgan Stanley $90,799
Creative Artists Agency $88,501
Time Warner $87,835
University of California $80,754
JPMorgan Chase & Co $75,537
Munger, Tolles & Olson $72,850
DLA Piper $72,500
Simpson, Thacher & Bartlett $69,550
Centene Corp $67,150
Skadden, Arps et al $62,650
Harvard University $61,080
Paul, Weiss et al $60,500
Wilmerhale Llp $59,250
Google Inc $58,021
Blackstone Group $57,700

This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2016 cycle. The money came from the organizations' PACs; their individual members, employees or owners; and those individuals' immediate families. At the federal level, the organizations themselves did not donate, as they are prohibited by law from doing so. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?id=N00000019&cycle=2016&type=f

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Have a truly wonderful, beautiful day!

[leftofcool]

225. Except, she is not wrong and she is a Bernie supporter.

[virtualobserver]

226. show us a pro-Bernie article that she has written, not a tweet

[beam me up scottie]

232. Excellent work!

Bernie supporter my ass...

More lies and spin or just business as usual for certain supporters who realized that trying to attack Bernie on his record failed so they're going after us.

[Ichingcarpenter]

270. great post and Got to love those $2700 dollar and third way elitists

every single one of them are white elitists but not progressives.

[Zorra]

273. +1 nt

[HappyPlace]

272. Make this an OP in the Sanders group....

I love you Zorra.

[Zorra]

275. ...

Backatcha, darlin'

[Enthusiast]

280. +100%!

[BeanMusical]

304. +1

[seabeyond]

228. excellent article. i have an OP of these people that consistent of nothing but petty and catty. nt

[TheBlackAdder]

233. Congratulations on another highly divisive, high-response post! The Koch's enjoy our infighting! nt

[haikugal]

235. More flame bait from the usual suspects....pfft. n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

241. This Elitist White Progressives paid $2700 to listen to my canidate

Wait that the other candidate were you need to do that.

[Thinkingabout]

250. Why isn't Bernie getting the $2700 to listen to him, interesting huh.

[Ichingcarpenter]

263. LOL ......... I don't think you thought your argument through

vs hedge fund managers and monsanto executives supporters

[Thinkingabout]

267. No, I have thought this through, it isn't only hedge fund supporters who is paying this amount,

there are others paying this to listen to Hillary, having meetings in their homes and are glad to contribute to Hillary for her campaign fund, why isn't this happening with Bernie's supporters?

[colsohlibgal]

258. Total Nonsense

White ultra liberals, at least the vast majority of us, are not elitist at all.

Anti Bernie forces are trying anything hoping something will stick.

BTW I think the Hillary private email "scandal" is no scandal at all. How about Dubya's and all the emails they "lost"?

Like a lot of Bernie supporters I do have issues with her ties to Wall Street and the Defense industry but not made up stuff like emails and Benghazi.

[GoneFishin]

261. The blatant lying, dishonest, fictional nature of this article proves this is campaign rhetoric.

And the fact that anyone in Hillary's camp would defend such delusional bullshit, or give tacit approval to it, is exactly the type of sleazy behavior I want no part of, ever.

Don't feed the lesser-of-evils beast, Ever.

Go Bernie!

Because of this bullshit article I am going to make another donation to Bernie right now.

[Z_California]

264. Wow.

Is that what I am? Not sure what I did to deserve being called all those names. Very very ugly politics.

[ibegurpard]

268. welcome to Clinton campaigning 101

[KMOD]

265. kick

and DU rec

[pa28]

274. SOMEBODY is full of "zealous rabid hate" and it's not Bernie supporters.

Tsk. So much name calling in such a short space.

[jfern]

277. The Hillary supporters who are constantly slandering

Sanders supporters are clearly perfect little angels.

[Enthusiast]

281. Happened last time too. Member?

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[pa28]

285. Yeah, but I was only a sexist last time.

Now I'm a racist AND and a sexist who doesn't care about violence against women and African Americans. I also drive a VOLVO.

We're scary, scary men.

[MisterP]

297. it's the lily-white fragile-white crunchy-granola "Portlandia" card: it's like talking to TERFs

(and like TERFs you can't ask them about Honduras. because of all the deaths)

[Enthusiast]

303. Like me. I drive an old mini van.

Mean mistreaters. [URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[Bobbie Jo]

289. K&R

All of it.

[iwannaknow]

293. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then

they attack you. This is proof that the Bernie Sanders campaign has been gaining momentum.

[SMC22307]

294. Seems Miss Sarah is no fan of O'Malley.

Whereas former Governor Martin O’Malley (D-MD) participated directly in creating a misogynistic environment of dirty bombs,

Can someone please explain what that means? Cold hard facts, not tweets. Thanks.

[hrmjustin]

296. My honest reaction to this is;

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She is frustrated from by some of the vitriol of Sanders supporters against HRC. I think some don't realize how much they come off as republican moles. Now obviously i think most Sanders supporters are not moles but some of the things said on this site and twitter come right out of the Rove playbook and make me suspicious.

If you can't say you eill support the nominee then i get suspicious.

[Bonobo]

322. "Now obviously i think most Sanders supporters are moles". Hmmm.... nt

[hrmjustin]

323. Oh good God my apologies and corrected.

[HassleCat]

305. Progressives

I'm going to ignore the fact this editorial makes no sense in its entirety, and focus on the misuse of the label "progressive."

A progressive is one who believes the power of the government should be used to give working class an middle class citizens a fighting chance against banks and large corporate entities. Thus, a progressive supports such things as reform of financial regulations, breaking up monopolies, enforcing ant-trust laws, using protectionist trade restrictions to protect US jobs, and so on. Hillary Clinton calls herself a progressive now, at least when she's speaking to an audience that might appreciate her progressive tendencies.

Progressives often find common ground with liberals when it comes to civil rights, the environment, workplace safety, and other laws and policies that help give the average citizen a fighting chance. Progressives tend to be interested, but not as interested as liberals are, in non-economic issues, but this varies with the individual. There is sometimes suspicion between liberals and progressives when it comes to which issues should be emphasized or given highest priority. This suspicion is picked up by the mainstream media and used as a wedge to divide liberals and progressives. The picture you get from the popular media is that Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton come from two completely different political worlds, each populated by supporters who may not even be the same species.

But this editorial goes well beyond Fox News levels of idiocy, throwing around labels, ascribing bad motives, inventing terms such as "libertarian liberals," associating the Tea Party with the progressive movement, and generally making no sense at all. This notion that the Sanders campaign is attracting hordes of these "elitist white progressives" is exactly the same tactic we saw when Republicans came up with the term "limousine liberals." There is no such thing as an elitist white progressive. End of story.

[iwannaknow]

311. Well stated...

[villager]

312. It's the kind of Rovian phraseology that regularly gets regurgitated here

...by those declaiming the loudest to have the Democrats' true interests at heart.

[beam me up scottie]

315. Brilliant summary.

Far better than that idiot Sarah deserves.

Too bad more people couldn't be honest about why they enjoyed the swift boating so much.

[Enthusiast]

324. +1 an entire shit load.

[Warren DeMontague]

314. cool story.

I wonder what her DU name is?

[Gothmog]

325. This thread has some legs

The premised of the article cited in the OP seems to be hitting home

[Warren DeMontague]

335. "whose myopic priorities are pot laws and the privacy of their emails."

She won't give anything resembling a clear answer on pot laws, but Hillary sure as shit seems to prioritize the privacy of HER emails.

[Blue_In_AK]

339. Stir it up...

[eridani]

340. Charter members of NOW in 1967 are obviously nothing but misogynists. n/t

[PowerToThePeople]

343. Well now that someone kicked this turd of an OP

I can trashcan it.