Why I'm Voting For Hillary, and Not for Sanders

[BooScout]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/20/1413717/-WHY-I-M-VOTING-FOR-HILLARY-AND-NOT-FOR-SANDERS

Why I'm Voting For Hillary, and Not for Sanders

The Presidency is more than a set of promises, it’s about the unpredictable, it’s about all the issues we don’t even know are issues yet.

First: The Presidency is more than a set of promises, it’s about the unpredictable, it’s about all the issues we don’t even know are issues yet. The Presidency is about foreign policy, and making decisions under pressure, and about commanding our military presence around the world. Hillary Clinton is by far the most qualified, experienced candidate for President in modern times. I think that experience counts for something, I think it has prepared her to confront one of the most complicated sets of foreign policy challenges any President has confronted in decades.

Second: The Presidency is about legislative action. Hillary Clinton has laboriously built alliances in Washington and across the 50 states. She is ACTUALLY building the infrastructure of a political revolution because she’s laying the groundwork necessary to actually get things done, to convince other democrats to join her in her policies. And those policies WILL be liberal. She is not a republican, and independent, non-partisan analysis’ of her records and rhetoric show that she’s a liberal on par with Elizabeth Warren.

Third: The Presidency is about the future of the party. Whether we like the two party system or not, the democratic party is the thing between us and the GOP. Talk about the billionaire class being in charge! The GOP makes no bones about being owned by their contributors. It takes money and party building to keep the GOP at bay. It will take a strong democratic party to actually achieve campaign finance reform, to successfuly bring about and defend policies that help rebuild the middle class. Has the party system done a great job so far? No. But destroying the one party that, at the very least accepts that we need to do something about it, as a response to not having done enough results in having nothing done at all.

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[Gothmog]

1. Great OP

Being POTUS means that you have to be able to get things done.

[anti partisan]

2. Really? Voting Hillary for making FOREIGN POLICY decisions under pressure? Like voting for Iraq?

[billhicks76]

8. She's A War Monger NSA, Mass Incarceration Apologist

I can't believe anyone in our beloved party would even consider her. Too many people hate her. She could lose to a piece of crap like Jeb. Or anyone. Trump even. Yuk

[Fred Sanders]

26. Nonsense. Fact free rant. Clinton is not "socialist" enough for some? So what? Get over it.

[billhicks76]

45. Socialist Card? Really? Thats A Joke

I like O'Malley 1000 times more than the dishonest Clintons. He doesn't have the socialist stigma you worry about. But Hillary supports all the Republican issues except easy cultural ones she can claim to make her a liberal. She is a self-declared, and Bush-declares "honorary Bush family member". That is a rare title. It isn't just given out to any cabinet member or high ranking political official. Jimmy Carter doesn't get that title trust me. Maybe its because Bill let Bush Sr off the hook for IranContra and Iraq banking scandals from the late 80s when he took office in 93 ensuring a swift return of the entire Bush Sr administration under his son as the reigns were traded back to the Republicans in 2000. We don't need this nepotism or trade backs between two families who feel entitled to OWN our country. Hillary supports war, mass incarceration, Wall St criminality, mass spying on innocent Americans that could be used as leverage especially against people who hold important positions and she has done nothing to solve inequality both financially and racially. Sure she says some meaningless words when put to the fire but at this stage in our countries evolution I would hope people look at actions and not words to be fooled by when dealing with reality. Horrible leaders all over the world always reassure their citizens they are doing things for them as they rob them blind or oppress them. We aren't playing tiddleywinks here.

[Wilms]

3. The stated reasoning is why I won't vote for her.

Hillary Clinton has laboriously built alliances in Washington and across the 50 states. She is ACTUALLY building the infrastructure of a political revolution because she’s laying the groundwork necessary to actually get things done, to convince other democrats to join her in her policies.

She's a social liberal, sort of and evolved and whatever. Beyond that, she's a corporatist and a neocon.

I think it would be awesome and about time to have a woman POTUS. But not her.

[Mbrow]

30. Thanks for making that point

[Cherry Creek Native]

32. I think the better word you're looking for is "social chameleon" n/t

[TheKentuckian]

4. Experience is only a positive if either you didn't screw the pooch or you learned from it.

Clinton has done little but prove to be a wrong-headed interventionist with about every step of the way and has carefully built alliances with shitheels, greedheads, and crooks to do mostly crappy and unsavory things.

No way, no how, no Hillary.

[PoliticAverse]

5. "she’s a liberal on par with Elizabeth Warren." - except for going after the big

Wall Street institutions part, which some might think is rather important.

[Dawgs]

31. Holy shit! Is the person that wrote this for real?

[Mnpaul]

36. If you read the comments

the piece appears to be a dump and run. It's the first comment from this person.

[lovemydog]

6. I think those are very legitimate reasons to vote for Hillary.

I'll probably vote for O'Malley or Sanders in the primaries. But I understand those reasons and acknowledge them as compelling.

[tecelote]

7. "And those policies WILL be liberal."

Have to press that point because that is what I don't believe. She is saying what the polls tell her we want to hear.

As POTUS, she will be more conservative than Obama. She will be owned and not by us.

She is no Elizabeth Warren!

That is why I am voting for Bernie. He's a real liberal and proud of it.

[Sienna86]

9. Exactly. nt

[newfie11]

11. I agree

Bernie got my vote.

[Fearless]

10. Bwahahahaha! Best joke I've heard this morning!

[Betty Karlson]

12. Your third reason is not necessarily a reason to vote for Clinton

How does one reform a corrupted system while being beholden to those who corrupt it? (Clinton's biggest donors are banks!)

Your third reason, if you really care about campaign finance reform, is actually a reason to vote for Sanders or O'Malley.

[Fast Walker 52]

13. "a political revolution"-- dream on

she will be status quo all the way.

[GoneFishin]

14. She's a corporatist neocon. Can't do it. A woman as POTUS would be great, but not her.

[BrainDrain]

15. Nice reasoning...

...if you haven't been paying attention to politics and more specifically, to the Clintons' over the last 30 years.

As I have said before, HRC is a rank opportunist, her "alliances" are mostly with big BIZ and Big banks, and please, the ONLY reason her rhetoric is "on par" with Ms. Warren, is because Ms. Warren and Mr. Sanders and pushed her rhetoric there.

So please, vote for her in the primary, because if there is ANY justice in this universe you won't be voting for her in the general.

[deutsey]

20. +1

I was going to write a similar response, but you say so well what I was going to, I thought I'd just give you a .

[newfie11]

40. Thank you

You said this much better than this old lady could!

[BrainDrain]

46. You are most welcome.....

[Scuba]

16. Being wrong a lot is not the kind of experience I value.

[RiverLover]

21. +1 /nt

[cali]

17. conversely, those are some of the very reasons I'm opposed to her

1) Her history of poor judgment, from Iraq to lobbying heavily for military involvement in Syria, to her enthusiastic support for the debacle in Libya.

2) No, she is not a liberal on par with Warren on economic issues. She's followed rather than led on many social issues, including marriage equality.

3) The future of the party under Hillary is one of insiders and secrecy.

4) She handles both real and faux issues poorly; lying about stupid things and invariably reacting in such a way that engenders a long shelf life.

5) Wow. What steaming pile:
Fifth: The Presidency is about balancing interests. There used to be a saying, “What’s good for GM is good for the nation.” That was replaced by, “What’s good for GE is good for the nation.” Now the common wisdom is, “What’s good for the middle class is good for the nation.” The truth is, none of those absolutist statements are true. The truth is that we need to balance the interests and needs of many constituencies whose desires are often at cross purposes. Billionaires and corporations are no more ‘the enemy’ of the people as lions are ‘the enemy’ of the gazelle. They are both essential parts of an economic ecosystem that has dominated the globe for almost 100 years. Are there too many lions? Yes. Is that a problem? Yes. Are the gazelles starving? Yes. Is that a problem for the billionaires? Yes.

I hate stupid comparisons. This is unbelievably stupid and offensive.

[Laser102]

18. These are just a few reasons why I'm voting for her. Here's one more.

I genuinely like the woman. I sense a calm about her that only comes from walking through fire and surviving.

[retrowire]

19. yep, another list of the same exhausted reasons i see everywhere.

Hillary's the safe bet, she picks the low hanging fruit, yadayadayada... yawn

I'm voting Bernie because I want real change, not the lesser of two evils who will just continue to play by the rules. we need change fast and now. Hillary will only give us more of the same. but hey! as long as she wins right?!

reminds me of my post "To Hell With It!". one of my first posts here. and its still relevant. geez.

[Vinca]

23. Despite your rose-colored glasses, I can promise you if Hillary becomes POTUS,

Republicans will treat her at least as badly as they've treated Obama. Same with Bernie if he becomes President. Republicans are stubborn and stupid and the only way Hillary could work with them is to sign THEIR legislation. So . . . please . . . stop beating that drum. She won't get anymore done than any other candidate would. Any alliances she thinks she has are balanced on egg shells.

[marble falls]

24. I don't support fracking, TPP, Keystone, mandatory sentences, three strike laws, NSA intrusions....

continuing Afghanistan, corporate contributions,privatization of government responsibilities, deregulation of the banksters..... there is no wedge issue but a series of important issues Hillary supports and therefore I can't support Hillary unless she clearly declares against these issues or gets the nod. I also refuse to vote the clown car. So if she does get the nod ........ I'll vote for her.

[Jester Messiah]

25. Just gonna respond to the three listed here

1. When faced with unpredictability, a person who consistently acts from rock-solid principles is who I want in the big chair. Hillary changes with the wind, Bernie is constant.

2. The presidency is the executive, not the legislative branch. The president needs to be well versed in dealing with the legislative branch, but the responsibilities of the presidency are quite different. In any case, Sanders has been a legislator since before the Earth cooled, so I think he's got that angle down pretty well.

3. It is indeed about the future, and I don't like what I see when I envision the future that Hillary would give us. Pro-corporate, pro-war, pro-wealthy. Nope. I'm all in for Sanders.

[Cartoonist]

27. Blind Nonsense

First, Dick Cheney has more experience than Hillary. I'm not voting for him.

Second, Mitch McConnell has more legislative know how than Hillary. I'm not voting for him.

Third, the Presidency is about America. Take that party first shit over to the dark side where it comes from.

[-none]

34. ^^^This^^^

What happened to "America is a melting pot"? It is no more. Now it is being divided between the 'have more wealth than they can handle' and the 'just enough to survive', which is reaching the 90% of the rest of us.
Guess which side Hillary is on. Our government and our elections systems are corrupt to the core, thanks to generations of voting for the lesser of two evils. Which is too often identical to voting for the better name recondition.
Where the candidates stand on most anything important, went to the back of the bus, when the party they belonged to over rode common sense.

[Thinkingabout]

28. I can say many reasons to vote for Hillary. She has experience, strength and abililty.

To date there are 118 current members of Congress who have endorsed Hillary and 15 former members of Congress. These are people who have worked with Hillary, this says something to me that they are confident she has the ability to work with Congress.

She has been a long time advocate for women's issues not only in the US but worldwide. She worked for the Children's Defense Fund, going to migrant camps seeking children to get them in school, worked for health insurance for children and still has a soft spot in her heart for children. She has traveled worldwide as First Lady and SOS, met many world leaders and worked hard as SOS to restore the reputation of the US with countries alienated by the Bush administration. There are many other issues which she is laying out on her campaign trail. She is not limiting her policies for her administration to a few issues, a president has to handle broad range of issues.

[dorkzilla]

29. I love the smell of a steaming pile of BS in the morning...

It goes well with my coffee.

Up till now I’ve not uttered a word against Hillary but this is just about the most ridiculous argument “for” her as I’ve ever seen. Thanks for sharing - its a list of all the reasons NOT to vote for her. Thanks for the reminder!

[Autumn]

33. "a liberal on par with Elizabeth Warren"

[turbinetree]

35. What is her stand on ..........................

Keystone-----------------------and the demise of the Shell Arctic experience that this planet is going to see under the Obama green lighting the Arctic for drilling of oil-----------------
This says everything about who and what and where she is getting backed by the corporate interests

I will not vote for her

http://grist.org/climate-energy/heres-where-every-single-presidential-candidate-stands-on-keystone-except-hillary-clinton/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/09/hilary-clinton-and-obama-s-dismal-record-on-the-environment.html

[cosmicone]

37. It is an irrelevant question

The Keystone pipeline issue will be decided before January 2016. It is not an issue in this POTUS election.

Why not ask her what her stand is on the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam?

[turbinetree]

39. Her positions ...............................

are where, what and when............................ they tell everyone what her positions are and what they will be in the future--------------its not really hard to say yes or no on a question.

It is an issue---------------- its a future generational issue on all energy issues

I will not vote for her---------------------I am voting for Sanders

[cosmicone]

42. I'm glad you are (retroatively) opposed to the Golden Gate Bridge

and Hoover Dam.

[brentspeak]

47. Yeah, the Golden Gate Bridge and the Hoover Dam

are no different that a potentially catastrophic across-the-nation oil pipeline built to enrich a tiny oil cabal.

Your posts are always good for a chuckle.

[jeff47]

38. She keeps being wrong, but she's been wrong many times!!!

What a great reason to vote for a candidate.

[hrmjustin]

41. K&R!

[sibelian]

43. "groundwork" and "allegiance"...

There's something awfully slippery and unclear about those terms...

[ismnotwasm]

44. Excellent OP

[ericson00]

48. this post is pure greatness, KNR

n/t