Fact check: Hillary Clinton’s email brag

[cali]

Hillary Clinton gave an odd — and factually inaccurate — account of how the controversy over her email habits as secretary of State mushroomed into a public spectacle.

Clinton chalked it up to her pride in her work at the State Department and her desire for government transparency. “f I had not asked for my emails all to be made public, none of this would have been in the public arena,” she said during an Aug. 17 radio interview in Iowa.

That’s pure spin. Clinton asked the State Department on March 5 to release her emails, but by then key events had already taken place months before. And the issue burst into public view on March 2:

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We already addressed her claim that she “did what other secretaries of State have done.” That’s not accurate. As we wrote in July, the State Department in October 2014 sent letters to three other previous secretaries: Madeleine Albright, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. Only Powell used personal email for official business. None of them had their own servers.
As for how the matter became public, the State Department denied it at first but later acknowledged that “a factor” in asking Clinton for her work-related emails was the department’s need to be responsive to congressional requests for documents related to Benghazi.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/08/19/fact-check-hillary-clinton-email/31998177/

[Darb]

1. Nice to see you could spare a little time.

You have a lot of time for Hillary bashing. Damn.

[cali]

2. have a little cheese with that classic whine

I can suggest some very good Vermont cheeses.

Some of my favorites:

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The hills are alive with the smell of Oma cheese
By Janet Fletcher Published 4:00 am, Sunday, July 24,

Oma is a farmstead cheese made with raw milk and named after the German term of endearment for grandmother. Photo: Craig Lee, Special To The Chronicle
Photo: Craig Lee, Special To The Chronicle
Oma is a farmstead cheese made with raw milk and named after the German term of endearment for grandmother.Oma is a farmstead cheese made with raw milk and named after the German term of endearment for grandmother.

As young adults, brothers Sebastian and Dan von Trapp wanted to get as far away from the family dairy farm as possible.
Their grandparents had established the enterprise in Vermont's Mad River Valley, and their parents had tried to keep it commercially viable by switching from conventional to organic milk production.
But about five years ago, after a few years in other professions, the brothers had a change of heart. They begin to think about how they could make the 150-acre farm sustain the next generation, and the answer, not surprisingly, was artisan cheese.
Sebastian quit his job in the software industry and undertook an informal cheesemaking apprenticeship, first at Vermont's esteemed Jasper Hill Farm, then with several small cheese makers in England. Dan, who had worked in home building, tackled the construction of the creamery.
Two years ago, the brothers introduced the first product of von Trapp Farmstead Cheese, a small washed-rind wheel they christened Oma, the German term of endearment for grandmother.

Oma is a farmstead cheese made with raw milk from the von Trapps' mixed herd, predominantly Jerseys and Jersey crosses. When the 1 1/2-pound wheels are 4 to 7 days old, they go to the caves at Jasper Hill Farm, where two other Vermont brothers - Mateo and Andy Kehler - oversee the maturation of several Vermont cheeses, including their own.

Oma spends 60 to 80 days in the caves, undergoing weekly washing with a brine bath containing brevibacterium linens. This friendly bacterium, as it multiplies, produces the cheese's sticky salmon-pink surface and its effusive aroma, a beefy scent with roasted peanut and mushroom notes.

The wheel measures about 2 inches tall and 6 inches across. The interior is the color of pale butter, with many pinhead-size openings and a supple, semisoft texture. You can bend a slice without breaking it. This cheese has a big personality, with apparent salt and a faintly bitter finish, but overall, it leaves the impression of careful cheese making and affinage.

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http://www.sfgate.com/food/article/The-hills-are-alive-with-the-smell-of-Oma-cheese-2353494.php

And yum, Bailey Hazen Blue:

Bayley Hazen Blue is a Jasper Hill Farm original, and is made from our high-quality whole raw milk. It is named for an old military road commissioned by George Washington during the Revolutionary War. Though no battle ever took place, the road brought Greensboro its first settlers and continues to be used today.
SENSORY NOTES - Bayley has developed a loyal following because of its fudge-like texture, toasted-nut sweetness, and anise spice character. The paste is dense and creamy, with well-distributed blue veins. The usual peppery character of blue cheese is subdued, giving way to the grassy, nutty flavors in the milk.

http://www.jasperhillfarm.com/bayley

Pawlet is scrumptious:
PAWLET
Raw Jersey cow milk is the basis of this Italian-style toma, which is aged four to six months. A creamy texture and bright bite makes this a great sandwich cheese or an appetizer with broad palate appeal. A versatile cheese, like the town of Pawlet, VT which brings us slate, syrup, and timber. Available year-round in 10 pound wheels.
Available year-round in 10 pound wheels.
American Cheese Society Winner (2008)
World Jersey Cheese Awards Winner (2008)
American Cheese Society Winner (2009)
World Cheese Championship Winner (2010)
American Cheese Society Winner (2012)

http://www.considerbardwellfarm.com/cheese.html

[Motown_Johnny]

3. That whole part of the presser was strange.

Besides the spin mentioned above...

She claimed that if she had a government server for work emails and a private server for personal emails that we would still be in the exact same situation. That seems impossible to me.

The problem is that she deleted half the emails on the server without any oversight. We are then asked to believe that they were all personal emails. If she had separate servers for work and personal, then nothing from the work server would have been deleted and the problem we now have would not exist.

That argument makes no sense to me at all. I hope someone asks follow up questions on it.

Also, her pretending that she didn't understand the question about "wiping the server" was a mistake. It made her look like she is hiding something. The idea that she doesn't know if the information on the server was wiped isn't the least bit believable. If the FBI announces that it has been wiped, that clip is going to haunt her. It was really handled badly. She should have been ready for that question.

[cali]

4. excellent summation, Johnny

[Juicy_Bellows]

5. Yes. It was bad form.

She went for the I know nothing about technology facade and previously just said that she called the shots. So which is it? Wiping a server is a commonly understood term, that was not the time to get all folksy.

[MerryBlooms]

9. rec.

[KoKo]

20. ....!

[azmom]

6. Oh my god. The clip of her speech in Iowa

Where she tried to joke about Snapchat, made her look so fake. It was practiced and rehearsed and her delivery was terrible.

[dsc]

7. How do we know that Rice didn't use email for business

or for that matter Albright (though it is more believable coming from her). It is pretty sad that alleged liberals believe Rice at face value while doubting Clinton.

[cali]

8. are they running for the presidency?

[dsc]

10. No but the whole, entire point of your post is that Hillary is a big fat liar

when she says that she turned over her email while Rice didn't. But the only evidence that we have for Rice not using email is that Rice said she didn't use email. Again, it is sad you take Rice at face value.

[Motown_Johnny]

11. Rice has said that she did use email for business

as did Powell.

There is no evidence that either of them wiped out half the server/messages without any oversight.

That is the problem here. If Hillary had simply cooperated and had some neutral third party go over the server and decide what was and was not work related this problem would never have developed.

She, and her campaign, have mishandled this all the way back to taking eight days to come up with the "I didn't want to carry two phones" nonsense. Yes, Eight Freaking Days for that!

The presser is just illustrating how this problem is escalating. Misrepresenting when she asked for her emails to be released is a problem. Misrepresenting that the problem would still exist if she had used a government server for work emails is a problem and misrepresenting her own knowledge of the phrase "wiped clean" when referring to her server is a problem.

It is a horribly run campaign and she is a terrible candidate. The fact that this scandal even exists is proof of that.

[cali]

12. this is about Hillary. ..

Rice isn't seeking the dem nomination. And hillary has honesty problems

[dsc]

13. says the person who believes rice

fine choice of people to believe.

[cali]

14. who said I believed rice? oh that's right, you're engaging in the contemptible practice

of putting words in someone's mouth. In other words, making something up out of a whole cloth. That's the polite way of framing your behavior in this thread.

[Motown_Johnny]

16. But don't you expect us to hold Hillary to the same low standards

to which we hold Rice?

I really don't understand your point.

It sounds like you are saying what Hillary did is OK because Rice (and Powell) did it. Do our standards for her really need to be the same as someone in the Shrub administration? If so, is she really a good choice for President? I would think not.

[madville]

15. So things Republicans have done are ok for Clinton to do?

Would it be ok for her to invade Iraq again, after all Bush did it so it must be ok right?

That's probably a poor comparison since she voted to invade Iraq the first time, technically she already has invaded Iraq since she gave Bush the blessing to do so.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Rice was investigated by the FBI?

Should we believe any politician? They are, as a group, not particularly known for honesty. Republicans or Democrats.

[HereSince1628]

18. As I remember it, Cheney's inner circle was connected by Blackberry

and I suspect disposable, untraceable flip-phones

Do we think that those devices were running on government servers?

[dsc]

19. but of course they were

only Hillary does bad things, don't you understand. Rice is pure as the driven snow only that evil wretch Hillary does bad things.

[KoKo]

21. None of them had "Private Servers" in their home which housed Govt. Information

She had control over the server and deleted e-mails that in "her own judgement" were Personal/Private ...but no one was there to question or supervise what she deleted.

Using a Private Server located in her home to do both government and personal correspondence and then using her personal judgement as which to delete and which to save to turn over to the government (in response to FOIA Requests and Congressional Inquiries) should not have been left to her own judgement as a top level Government Official.

Who was in charge of the Server and its maintenance? Should they have had a security clearance? Who vetted the company? And why was a hard drive of hers stored in Loft in Colorado at Platte River Resources? Who could have had access to that hard drive?

There are many questions still to be asked and Hillary's apparent confusion about "hard drives" just being so complicated that she didn't know if "swiping" meant with a cloth or whatever...seems pretty clueless considering she knew enough to have her personal server installed in her Chappaqua Residence in the first place, for her own convenience and personal privacy.