2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf you want economic parity with the GOP in this election .... YOU have to give !
Much has been said about the vaunted GOP money machine; cranking out hundreds of millions of dollars for the benefit of the Romney campaign and the various billionaire PACs and Super PACS that are running roughshod over the general electorate ....
The President is going to need YOUR help in order to gain some parity with these treacherous GOP bastards ...
The primary 'Super PAC' created to help elect President Obama does not have a large amount of big money donors willing to fork out tens of millions of dollars to help the cause .... They need OUR help in order to preserve some sort of balance with the GOP monster PACs.
The President relies on US, the little people, to help fund this very important election race .... He doesn't have to have billionaire donors when he has the power of a hundred million regular citizens contributing to his campaign.
If you support this President ... If you support the goal of electing him to office for a second term, then YOU need to dig into your own purses and wallets, and give what you can, when you can ...
IF you do not wish to see the President lose this campaign, then we, the little people, are going to have to scrape as much as realistically possible and give it to the President's campaign, or to the main Super PACs that support the President, (Priorities USA, Priorities USA Action) ... OR to the various house and senate and local races that need our support ....
To give to the President's campaign:
https://contribute.barackobama.com/donation
To give to the Super PACs that supports the Obama campaign
Priorities USA: https://priorities501.zissousecure.com/donate
Priorities USA Action: https://prioritiesusaaction.zissousecure.com/donate
We are up against a vast right wing money machine that stuffs hundreds of millions of dollars into GOP pockets in order to serve themselves to custom crafted legislation that benefits ONLY themselves at the expense of us 'little people' ...
We need to fight back by helping to financially support the President's campaign, if and when we can ....
He doesn't want billionaire handouts ... He wants YOU to support him ! ..... Please give.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)I don't want the republicans to win, but there are two things about the constant begging for money that turn me off.
1) Is that really the only way to contribute? What if someone is unemployed and can't spare the money? Aren't there phone banks or volunteer efforts that can be manned?
2) Money in politics is the problem. It makes sense that the conservatives have declared war on unions and government spending; the people involved in those types of jobs have been financially choked out. Am I supposed to believe that the democrats are going to take steps to get the money out of politics; when all they ever ask me for is money?
If the democrats are serious about winning; they need to come up with a way of getting people involved without always asking for money.
As I mentioned on a different thread; television commercials are probably going to be watched less during this election than in recent history.
You can record programs and watch them without the commercials (or skip through them at least). If democrats want to do effective advertising; they need to come up with a way that employs people instead of paying for TV commercials. We're going to need to think outside of the box, and get people enthused.
I am not enthused about sending money to counter television commercials that I just don't think that many people are going to be watching. When I hear about huge contributions to Romney; that's what I hear them saying.
Try a different strategy; because I won't be guilted into contributing either. I don't know how many othe people feel that way, and nobody has asked. Have you considered asking for suggestions?
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I don't like the constant messages begging for money, but I do understand that we are up against a behemoth
I am not sure refusing to give money is going to be helpful, however .... When regular people REFUSE to give, then all the President has left are big money donors ...
Surely you dont expect the President to attempt a Presidential campaign without any money whatsoever, do you ??
The responses so far are nearly as frustrating as the lack of responses .... Pitiful ...
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)As disdainful as political contributions are, I see the necessity to help Pres Obama in these final closing weeks more than ever before.
I believe a Romney presidency would do catastrophic harm to the majority of our citizens and our economy. If I didn't fervently believe that, I wouldn't bother.
Rosanna Lopez
(308 posts)Actually, running a campaign without much money and without much corporate involvement was largely the way elections were run in the early days of America, before they were corrupted into what they have become today.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I doubt anybody is recommending that Obama unilaterally reduces his campaign spending levels to that of the forefathers ...
Until then, IF we wish to see the President be successful in his quest to seek a second term, then we will have to kick in as best as we can ....
high density
(13,397 posts)At least every other month the DNC decides to call me over and over until I pick up. They will call me three times a day until I talk to them. They will call up to 9pm. They will not leave a message. It's incredibly annoying. I have never given them money over the phone yet they waste all this effort on trying to get me to contribute this way.
I also get spammed with mail. At least once a week there's a letter in my mailbox begging for money. Again, I've never given money by mail.
I hate to contribute money online that apparently gets spent in large part on ineffective mail and calling campaigns that are simply begging for more money.
And yes, I haven't even mentioned the constant blast of absolutely useless emails that offer nothing but more begging for money. Enter this contest by sending money. Reply to this useless survey and send us some money. Get a free t-shirt by sending us some money. I want to reelect the President; show me how you are going to use my money to do this!
I agree we need a different strategy. Hearing over and over, "Hey, please give us funds because the other guys have lots of money," is just not making me eager to open up my wallet again. I gave a significant amount a few months ago when the President was in town and was happy to do so. I just want my money used in a thoughtful manner, and right now I'm not understanding the strategy beyond the stated "we want lots of money because they have lots of money!"
Blanks
(4,835 posts)Our land line doesn't ring; so I don't get those phone calls. I don't know if we get snail mail (the wife gets the mail), but I get the same email from different people. I don't know how they got my email address. I signed up for move on, and I may have done something to support John Kerry, but all kinds of folks send me emails.
Usually they're emails telling me how I should be outraged by something that house republicans have done. Honestly they're written for an audience less intelligent than I am; they are targeting folks a little easier to manipulate.
I don't like the idea of democrats moving toward getting their marching orders from on high the way republicans do. If they're using the money that people are donating to 'spread the word' in this manner. I don't want to encourage them.
If this is what the republicans are doing with their money; we're gonna kick their asses.
I fight for the president and his policies on Facebook. It doesn't cost anything. Even if it doesn't change the mind of the people that post negative stuff; at least their friends know that not everyone likes what they're saying.
What I would like is some positive Obama stuff that can be shared on Facebook. This is what people are seeing; they can skip through TV commercials; discard their mail without opening it, and delete their emails, but if it's on Facebook; it at least has the potential for a conversation in front of swing voters.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Sure, I like the President but I don't like his policy ideas frequently or his priorities. I'm not giving money where that money is going to support or posit positions I by-and-large find offensively RW or quisling-centrist.
I'll give money where there is an opportunity to push the President's agenda left...until then, no.
Why not have "money speaks" events? He can both highlight the problem of unlimited money in politics as well as money as speech and his constituents will feel he's listening to them. It's not hard. You have two competing fundraisers. An example on drug-policy (though you could do any issue or policy instead):
If you think marijuana should be decriminalized, donate on this webpage...
If you don't think marijuana should be decriminalized, donate on this webpage...
Trajan
(19,089 posts)This is a forum that was founded to help elect Democratic party members into office .... This is the express purpose of the founders of Democratic Underground, so this plea is not out of place ....
Good luck on pushing the agenda to the left .... I am sure you can be very persuasive ....
Chan790
(20,176 posts)it's not unexpected to find progressives here that value progressive ideals and platform over party loyalty. Neither should it shock you to find those committed to combating the rightward drift of this party, a drift the President's agenda and positions is a factor unto. He has my vote; he needs to earn my time and money by being the kind of candidate I'll support.
<----Left is that way.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)That it is us or them ..... There is no in between ....
I would gladly promote ANY and ALL Progressive notions and ideals, yet, all is for naught IF you do not retain an office of power ...
Tell you what: I will chip in twice this week - Once for you, since you refuse to help .... Its the least I can do ...
I don't think your personal pique is enough reason to give up on this campaign .... The alternative is hideous ....
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)candidate among the Teaparty terrorists, but they are 100% all in for Romney now. We all should have learned from 2000 and 2004 that voter apathy among our own ranks leads to defeat and disastrous consequences for the nation as a whole. If Bush could do as much damage as he did in 8 years, I'm certain that Romney is capable of far worse.
We seem to insist on perfection from our own candidate while ignoring the consequences of damages done from the opponent. I fear that this apathy will again result in a grievous amount of deep regret.
You have two suggestions here.
1) Find other non-monetary method of contribution (phone banks, flyers etc.)
2) Monetary donations tied to specific issues.
Your response: we don't want your help if you don't just give unconditional money.
I may be paraphrasing, but not a very inspiring message. Removes some of the mystery as to why we're being out fund-raised.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Why would I ask you to contribute ANY other type of resources if you have already shown a distaste for providing 'money' resources ? .... Nobody is stopping you from contributing from your own pet causes, and I do not have to remind you of it ....
You wanna contribute to a specific cause ? .... Geeez ... Be my guest ..... AGAIN: not my place to demand any of this ....
My response is to tell you good bye - I am not going to kiss your ass to sell this campaign when you show a distaste for it ....
I think reasonable people agree to promote a candidate who is the best alternative to: 1) The GOP candidate, and 2) Whatever PERFECT candidate/issue you strongly prefer but is not a viable candidate for the President of the United States ...
The Obama campaign needs money from regular people - If you don't want to contribute, fine ....
Now; go do whatever it is you would rather do ....
Blanks
(4,835 posts)That seems like a way that a person can contribute without providing money.
I suppose with the robo calls nobody actually makes phone calls anymore. However, it would seem helpful to have neighbors hand out flyers with the latest talking points.
I liked the other person's suggestion; give money, but the candidate knows what issue they're interested in.
I think there are a lot of ways people can contribute that don't involve money. I can assure you that if I do contribute money it won't be because of any interaction that I've had with you.
What's with all the periods?
Trajan
(19,089 posts)What's it to ya ? .... If you dont like it, iggy my posts ....
Blanks
(4,835 posts)I was just wondering if there was another way of contributing if a person doesn't have any money. Perhaps some kind of link for 'on the ground' operations.
Apparently it's either money or nothing. Which kinda surprises me. As does your apparent anger over my asking.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)2 weeks as I get paid. Will go to work in Virginia tomorrow morning as well!
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Sometimes only $10, but isn't that what we really want in a campaign ? .... MORE middle class supporters paying LESS per donation ?
Regular citizens giving small amounts in greater numbers .... 10,000,000 x $100 campaign contributions instead of 10 x $100,000,000: two ways to generate campaign funds, but only one way to have REGULAR citizens as the 'special interests' that obtains the benefits of government ....
WE need to make this happen ....
We need to give, when we can, to make that real ....
SoFlaJet
(7,767 posts)Who do you think would be the best person or place to send money to, the president's re-election campaign, Bill Burton's PAC, OR the congressional people who send me requests for $$ every day.what's your opinion?