2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDid anyone catch Martin O'Malley on this mornings' Morning Joe? ...
They asked him a question about what he would bring to the Presidency ... I loved his answer of:
This tracks closely to my complaint/concern about Bernie and HRC ... Everyone talks about their long record of fighting for civil rights; but, the only thing they have actually accomplished is long in the past, everything else is talk and, even then, is indistinguishable from any other Democrat in Congress.
Go M O'M!
bigtree
(85,999 posts)~OMalley says he has record of getting progressive things done, not just talking about them"
~ OMalley says Sanders doing very good job expressing the anger that many of us our feeling...But no great nation ever built a better future for its kids on anger or division
watch: Martin O'Malley joins Morning Joe from the campaign trail in Iowa to discuss the debates, Hillary Clinton's email server and the outsiders shaking up the 2016 race. Duration: 9:16
http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/omalley--clinton-server-news-not-productive-503859779678
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)to being in the U.S. Congress with it's mix of deep red Republicans and third-way Democrats.
When Bernie was mayor, he accomplished many progressive goals. Just because he can't get the GOP and the DINOs in the U.S. Congress to go along with his correct ideas doesn't mean he wouldn't accomplish "stuff."
I'm not putting O'Malley down. I'm just pointing out that it's easier to "do progressive stuff" when you have a progressive legislature to help you.
elleng
(131,014 posts)on a variety of issues. He knows how to DEAL with such.
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...not only do we have a divided legislature MD. voters don't always vote for Democrats.
Comparing Bernie's challenges as mayor of Burlington, Vermont to Baltimore, Md, is absurd. If you do, you can't find Bernie made a fraction of the progressive accomplishments O'Malley achieved as mayor.
...but let's make it clear what O'Malley accomplished in Md.
___The third person to receive the Americas Greatest Education Governor Award from the National Education Association in 2010, Martin O'Malley significantly increased school funding of K-12 public schools in Maryland and expanded school programs, overseeing a rise in Hispanic and African American student test scores with his insistence that underprivileged and minority students be taught by teachers as highly qualified as those who teach economically advantaged students in his state.
O'Malley not only implemented a four-year freeze on tuition for Maryland institutions of higher learning, making higher education more affordable for Marylanders, from 2008-10, he increased college appropriations to offset the freezes, and authorized more than $220 million in state capital funds to community colleges. He also budgeted more than $333 million for grants and scholarships, and in 2011, signed legislation extending in-state tuition to undocumented students. O'Malley also oversaw the reinvigoration of Marylands Career and Technology Education and Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) programs statewide, and the launching of the comprehensive Maryland STEM Innovation Network to promote the delivery of high quality STEM education at all levels throughout the state.
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Martin O'Malley signed a 2009 Greenhouse Gas Reduction Act in Maryland; far ahead of most other states, & the EPA, which set a statewide goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions 25 percent below 2006 levels by 2020. By 2012, Maryland had driven down greenhouse gas emissions by nearly 10 percent compared to 2006, and by 20 percent compared to "business as usual" projections
In 2011, Maryland League of Conservation Voters gave Gov. O'Malley a B+ overall in their Governor's Report Card (and an A for climate change). In addition to the 2008 Climate Action Plan and the new GGRA Plan, Gov. OMalleys key accomplishments include:
(2008) Amendment to the Maryland Renewable Energy Portfolio Standard doubled the existing standard to require that 20% of Maryland's energy be created by renewable resources by 2022, including 2% from solar energy;
(2008) EmPOWER Maryland Act set an energy efficiency target and peak demand reduction target of 15% by 2015;
(2008) Maryland Strategic Energy Investment Program was created using revenues from the Northeast RGGI to offset ratepayers electricity bills and invest in energy efficiency programs;
(2009) Maryland Greenhouse Gas Emissions Reduction Act requires Maryland to cut greenhouse gas emissions 25% below 2006 levels by 2020; and
(2013) Maryland Offshore Wind Energy Act of 2013 created a fund to build 200 megawatts of wind energy, which Gov. OMalley intends to use to construct one of the nations first offshore wind energy farms off the coast of Ocean City.
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In 2012, Martin O'Malley signed a bill legalizing same sex marriage in Maryland, joining seven other states in enacting marriage equality. The law survived a statewide referendum held later that year, which marked the first time marriage rights in the U.S. were extended to same-sex couples by a popular vote.
Gov. O'Malley signed into law the Fairness for All Marylanders Act, extending housing, public accommodations, and employment protections to transgender citizens and visitors of the state.
"We are closer today to creating an open, respectful, inclusive world that we want for all of our children," O'Malley said prior to signing that bill. "This bill gives us another step closer to that vision and to that reality."
read: http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2014/05/15/md-gov-signs-trans-nondiscrimination-bill-law
As Mayor of Baltimore, O'Malley helped the City become the first jurisdiction in Maryland to prohibit discrimination against transgender individuals in 2002. In one of his first acts as Governor, he signed an Executive Order prohibiting discrimination against transgender state employees in 2007.
At a National Conference on LGBT Equality in 2012, Martin remarked:
The dignity of a free and diverse people who at the end of the day, all want the same thing for their children: to live in a loving and caring home that is protected equally under the law.
The governor added that discrimination based on gender identity is wrong...Passing a law to protect transgender Marylanders from employment, credit and housing discrimination is the right thing to do.
On the final day of the 24th National Conference on LGBT Equality: Creating Change in Baltimore, Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley expressed hopes that Maryland would soon become the seventh state with marriage equality. The governor also talked about his support for efforts to secure gender identity nondiscrimination protections in the state.
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Although there isn't yet a specific proposal from him in this campaign geared toward women, Martin OMalley has received a 100 percent rating from NARAL Pro-Choice Maryland
OMalleys high marks from NARAL are proven by his track record. In 2002, while he was serving as mayor of Baltimore, aides confirmed that OMalley supports legal abortion and fair access without interference from the government until the point of viability. He also supports late-term abortion when the life of the mother is at risk, or when the fetus has a severe abnormality. And according to NARAL Pro-Choice Maryland, OMalley has not infringed on abortion rights by signing any new abortion restrictions during his tenure as governor.
When it comes to birth control, OMalley increased access to contraception and pregnancy counseling, particularly among low-income women. In 2012, OMalley signed the Family Planning Works Act, which greatly expanded reproductive-health access by providing low-income women with free pregnancy counseling and Medicaid-funded contraception, STI testing and cancer screenings. According to RH Reality Check, the act would provide these subsidized medical services to an additional 33,000 women in the state.
OMalley has also promoted increased support for new mothers (and fathers) by signing the Maryland Parental Leave Act in 2014. The law expands parental leave for working parents, requiring Maryland small businesses to provide at least six weeks of unpaid leave for the birth of an employees child. Prior to the law, small businesses were exempted from providing unpaid family leave.
read: http://plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/newsroom/press-releases/planned-parenthood-action-fund-welcomes-martin-omalley-presidential-field/
Maryland, under Martin O'Malley, tied for having the lowest wage gap between our working men and women of any state in the nation...Maryland currently has the third-lowest poverty rate for women in the nation. Maryland is the No. 1 state in the nation for women-owned businesses -- one-third of Maryland businesses are women-owned. Maryland also ranks third in the nation in percentage of managerial jobs held by women at 42.4 percent. Here's the report, well worth the read-thru: https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/StateOfWomenReport.pdf
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Kim Propeack, chief of political communication for CASA de Maryland - Maryland's largest immigrants services and rights organization - and director of its political arm says Martin O'Malley has been a real hero for the immigrant community.
As governor, O'Malley signed a bill allowing young immigrants illegally in the U.S. to pay in-state college tuition and to a bill to get driver's licenses.
He was the first governor to meet with Latino leaders last year and sign up to push House Republicans to bring immigration reform legislation to a vote, which they never did
He has shown respect that many in the immigrant community say is lacking in debates on immigration by using the term new Americans to refer to immigrants, whether here legally or not. He also established a state council to focus on integrating immigrants.
He opposed White House proposals to return young Central American children and families who crossed the U.S-Mexico border last summer, saying they would face "certain death."
On deportations - an issue that still vexes the current administration - O'Malley stopped Baltimore's City Detention Center from holding immigrants without criminal records for deportation by the federal government.
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I want there to be some demonstrated experience in making those words a reality for actual people; some demonstrated experience in transforming lives through their actions on the promises they're making in this campaign.
That's the reason Martin O'Malley stands tall, in my estimation, in this campaign, over the other announced candidates. He has a demonstrated experience in not only advocating for the progressive changes we need, but actually doing something about them and succeeding.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)And, duh... a mayor isn't a governor, but that wasn't my point. My point still stands that it's easier to do progressive stuff when you have progressive help.
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...bending awful far to dismiss O'Malley's accomplishments.
Now, if this was Bernie's record of achievements...
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)"I'm not putting O'Malley down..." because I wasn't.
I was still simply pointing out that it's easier to do progressive stuff when you have some back up. Period. Full stop.
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...you're wrong about Maryland's political challenges. They certainly weren't any more accommodating of a progressive agenda than Vermont's.
elleng
(131,014 posts)In fact his significant experience dealing with difficult legislative issues is one of my reasons for supporting him so strongly.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Why doesn't Bernie free bravenak? Is it because he's white?
FSogol
(45,503 posts)brer cat
(24,580 posts)or he would have been out the race on the first day. You do him no favors by posting crap like this.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)brer cat
(24,580 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)jesus . disagreeing with a Hillary supporting AA DUer who is dissing another candidate many of us like and support equals disliking black people? jesus fucking christ no comment.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Link or slink.
JI7
(89,254 posts)white supporters.
i'm hoping she will come back to supporting Sanders but there are lot who don't seem to want someone like her on that side.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)You're embarassing yourself!
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)How is this an attack? Do you really believe that this entire primary season will consist of no points to be made of how the candidates are different?
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Adding your usual wisdom and logic I see...
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)elleng
(131,014 posts)I'm not one of them, but apparently 'news' happens there occasionally.
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)But I stopped when both joe and mika began fawning over christie.
I am also offended watching Mika refuse to speak out when joe goes on one of his tirades. I have seen this too many times to be comfortable with it.
FSogol
(45,503 posts)elleng
(131,014 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:22 PM - Edit history (1)
http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/omalley--clinton-server-news-not-productive-503859779678GO M O'M!!!
edited with complete version.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I knew we would get to see it!
elleng
(131,014 posts)Just switched links, for a complete version of the interview which is much better; lots more issues discussed.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)demigoddess
(6,642 posts)elleng
(131,014 posts)elleng
(131,014 posts)brer cat
(24,580 posts)except for news after huge events so I missed it. I am very impressed by O'M and consider him the most exciting candidate. I agree totally with your concerns about BS and HRC. I think both of them would face the very same obstruction that PBO has endured since day 1. The cons hate HRC and I find it hard to believe they would cotton to a self-identified socialist.
Besides, M O'M has the most pleasant supporters on DU.
elleng
(131,014 posts)for recognizing his attributes and likely future problems for BS and HRC.
And
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)I'm not going to lie to myself or anyone else.
If Sanders wins - he's going to have a hard row to hoe with those anti semitic assholes - but I think he's tough and can take it. And me? I'd have his back. What we WON'T get with Sanders is even the hint or smell of 'scandal' - deliberately with a lower case s because it's usually just made up 'stuff' about the Clintons. They just make stuff up.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Coulda fooled me.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)apparently is not difficult when one hears only what they want to hear and dismisses the rest.
But, then, it is not me fooling you.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Many of the progressive innovations and policies he instituted as mayor have caught on and been replicated in city after city. he's had success in passing liberal legislation through the amendment process and he's shrewdly made his vote on certain legislation contingent on his getting something important, like the hundreds of millions he got for chcs in exchange for his vote for the aca
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)He is the only one that seems to have actually been able to grasp what a significant issue this is for PoC.
elleng
(131,014 posts)really feels it, imo.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)(please see my post below).
elleng
(131,014 posts)have no need to disparage him, but I am more encouraged by Governor O'Malley's substantial accomplishments as an executive.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)IMO many things about Sanders are fair game. People want to say he's "too far left," too old, too grumpy....whatever. Okay. Fair game for debate.
But that claim he doesn't understand or care about the plight of PoC? ? No. That's a falsehood that is is 180 degrees opposite from the truth. And it's beyond the pale, IMO.
elleng
(131,014 posts)from this Brooklyn Jew.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)elleng
(131,014 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)It means a lot.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I could bring out the video of Sanders ranting on the floor of Congress opposing a "tough on crime" amendment in 1991 -- shows him talking about how our criminal justice system is not about justice but "retribution, vengeance and institutional murder."..and how it disproportionately punishes blacks....That's 1991, not last week. It's on several threads, if you care to see it.
Sanders grasps it, and has gotten it for a long time. And has been fighting the system to change it for a long time.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)So confused by you...
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Bernie has been in the trenches for some time now. At least it can be said he has experience in working with the teabagging crazy folks the states keep sending to Congress. The same can't be said for Mr. O'Malley.
Budget, Ranking Member
Energy and Natural Resources, Member
Environment and Public Works, Member
Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, Member
Subcommittee on Children and Families, Member
Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety, Member
Subcommittee on Energy, Member
Subcommittee on Fisheries, Water, and Wildlife, Member
Subcommittee on Green Jobs and the New Economy, Member
Subcommittee on National Parks, Member
Subcommittee on Primary Health and Retirement Security, Ranking Member
Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure, Member
Subcommittee on Water and Power, Member
Veterans Affairs, Member
O'Malley Governor of Maryland, Mayor of Baltimore, and a city councilor
While he was effective in his state and city, I wonder how well he'll transition to DC madness.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Even when he went tough on crime, he went all the way tough (which I didn't like), but it was the law. And, we need to change that. It's like, just tell him what to do and he's off to the races. I like that about him.
Go M O'M!
ETA: I do not watch 'Morning Joke' glad you shared that Info, thanks!
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)I strongly agree that Governor O'Malley is a strong progressive candidate. He was my first choice and the main reason I switched was because he waited too long to declare, imo. I think he would be a fine, potentially great president.
I don't know as much as I should about Bernie's civil rights record. But here are some things I know: 1) Bernie established the Congressional Progressive Caucus and is currently the only senatorial member. That is a non-trivial accomplishment. If he is elected, it may be very important in re-organizing Congress.
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/caucus-members/
2) He fought hard for Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition in 1988. He endorsed Jackson and delivered Vermont for him in the primaries. That was a non-trivial event and Reverend Jackson's candidacy may even have paved the way for the election of President Obama.
3) He amended the Affordable Care Act to include billions (two billion?) to include community centers to make health care more accessible for PoC. So I categorically reject any claim that Bernie hasn't done anything about civil rights since marching with MLK.
With respect to HRC, her record on civil rights is distinguishable, because it was so bad.
Finally, I disagree with this O'Malley quote from Post #1 above: "But no great nation ever built a better future for its kids on anger or division.
George Washington and his allies won the Revolutionary War in division from the one third neutral colonists and the one third loyalist colonists.
Abraham Lincoln and his allies abolished slavery in division from the Confederacy.
Women and their allies won the right to vote in division from misogynists and chauvinists.
Workers and their allies won the 40 hour work week and abolished child labor in division from capitalists.
FDR and his allies built the New Deal in division from conservatives.
Civil rights activists and their allies abolished Jim Crow in division from segregationists.
The peace movement and its allies stopped the Viet Nam war in division from hawks.
"I welcome their hatred." FDR, 1936... "I welcome their hatred." Bernie Sanders, 2015
Armstead
(47,803 posts)...we do need to point to the causes, not just the results.
This is an Oligarchy. We have to be honest about that, and not pretend it is some nebulous "failure of government."
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Sanders has accomplished a lot over his life. It has not just been "talk." That's a gratituous slam that is not going to win many of his supporters over to O'Malley if Bernie doesn't make the cut.
Likewise with Clinton. I have immense problems with her and what she represents. But she too has worked tirelessly, and has made continuations to progressive advances in her own way.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)If you join us in the O'Malley group - read through the threads -
We tend to fall into this line of thinking -
What did you do?
When?
How?
What were the challenges?
How would you do it differently?
Details work with us. It's going to be a challenge to start canvassing with a few brief statements but I'm encouraging others to create theirs. Mine are ready. To knock on a lot of doors you need to bring the depth and extent of detail in O'Malley's platform (check out his white papers) down into high level statements.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)am glad that Joe let him talk a bit. Good for O'M!
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)I'm sick of the fighting (not internally - across the aisle).
I'm sick of feeling like Washington DC is that place, over there, that I just throw more bad money after bad money at (taxes).
I want solutions. I want ideas.
And dammit - NOT just the people of NH and Iowa - but ALL Democratic Primary voters deserve to hear the best ideas on the platform.
When this primary is over - I want the best ideas out there. When our own candidates can't get together and share those ideas in a public arena - it's going to cause us (the folks voting for them) to continue to shout past each other.
And all that aside - He's a strong communicator. His strong belief in Democratic the ideas comes through - and you can see his mind working.
angrychair
(8,717 posts)But selling M.D. out to the gambling industry and lining the pockets of people like Sheldon Adelson is a big negative in my book. Trying win the "race to the bottom" with Atlantic City or Biloxi or Vegas, to see who can amass the most bankrupt casinos and new pawn shops is not my idea of a legacy.
elleng
(131,014 posts)debate went on for a long time in MD and he agreed to a compromise.
Governor O'Malley brought casinos to Maryland but that doesn't mean he likes them.
The episode reflected OMalleys ambivalence toward Marylands slow embrace of casino gambling.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/gov-omalley-brought-casinos-to-maryland-but-that-doesnt-mean-he-likes-them/2014/09/02/4a37050a-2eba-11e4-994d-202962a9150c_story.html
angrychair
(8,717 posts)"Yet Marylands soon-to-be $1 billion-a-year casino industry would not have gotten off the ground without OMalleys active involvement, after years of bitter stalemate at the State House in Annapolis."
And
"Gambling interests also have played a role in OMalleys political activities. Caesars Entertainment, the lead company behind the Horseshoe, gave $100,000 to the Democratic Governors Association in 2012, during OMalleys tenure as chairman of the group, which seeks to elect party members nationwide. Aides have said such contributions have no influence on OMalleys policy views." ...sure it didn't.
At the end of the day the only people getting rich from a casino are people like Sheldon Adelson ( billionaire) and state lawmakers PACs
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)He got more funding for community health clinics.
Kensan
(180 posts)I thought I remembered Senator Sanders adding a provision to the ACA bill that would allow states to set up their own single payer systems. The result would be that some states would adopt a Medicare for all approach (Vermont was in the process), and if successful, other states would follow as a way to achieve cost reductions. That provision was to be the stepping stone we all had been waiting for.
Obama's team really blew state-level single payer rollouts with the disastrous implementation of the ACA enrollment website. The constant criticism (albeit a bit overhyped by folks vehemently opposed to ACA anyway) made states scuttle their plans due to an extremely negative political environment.
Unfortunately I have to return from my lunch break, so I can't research this to confirm if Sanders was the original author of this provision or just signed on as a sponsor.
MH1
(17,600 posts)Let's be clear - I love Obama. I think both his intentions are good and his instincts are mostly good, and his intellectualism is far above expectations for a politician. But he did come to the job with a lack of real executive experience.
O'Malley, on the other hand, not only has many years of executive experience, but a track record of effective executive experience. He is also progressive on most issues, very good on environmental issues, and seems to be willing to listen and collaborate.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Birds of a feather, of course.
ismnotwasm
(41,997 posts)I want him to make a strong showing, I want him to be heard--he's one hell of a Democrat and a great guy from what I can tell. He also has workable plans, and is consistent.
I won't go into the reasons I support Hillary here, but O'Malley has certainly got my attention
But to answer your question--no, I never listen to any talk radio. I'm backwards like that
Oops edit--looks like a show--I'm a reader
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Texas Democrats aren't the same as National Democrats.
Just like Maryland Republicans aren't the same as National Republicans.