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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:24 PM Aug 2015

Did anyone catch Martin O'Malley on this mornings' Morning Joe? ...

They asked him a question about what he would bring to the Presidency ... I loved his answer of:

(paraphrasing, of course) Talking/Yelling about about progressive stuff is quite different from DOING progressive stuff! I am the only Democratic candidate with a record of actually getting progressive stuff done.


This tracks closely to my complaint/concern about Bernie and HRC ... Everyone talks about their long record of fighting for civil rights; but, the only thing they have actually accomplished is long in the past, everything else is talk and, even then, is indistinguishable from any other Democrat in Congress.

Go M O'M!
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Did anyone catch Martin O'Malley on this mornings' Morning Joe? ... (Original Post) 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 OP
yep bigtree Aug 2015 #1
Well, it is easier when you're the governor of a blue state as opposed Fawke Em Aug 2015 #2
He had lots of opposition in the Maryland legislature, Fawke, elleng Aug 2015 #5
Our legislature isn't as progressive as you make it out to be bigtree Aug 2015 #13
Maryland is still far more progressive than the U.S. Congress. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #16
Congress isn't exactly the place where most people feel is famous for 'accomplishments' bigtree Aug 2015 #17
Did you miss this part: Fawke Em Aug 2015 #38
we've had national legislatures divided much the same as in Maryland bigtree Aug 2015 #41
Thanks for setting the record straight, bigtree. elleng Aug 2015 #18
Another Bernie attack? RobertEarl Aug 2015 #3
You should delete that crap. FSogol Aug 2015 #8
wut? elleng Aug 2015 #10
It's a good thing your candidate isn't as petty as you are brer cat Aug 2015 #21
Can u just feel the love for black DUers? Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #23
And not for the first time. nt brer cat Aug 2015 #25
you sure do like to instigate and stir shit. m-lekktor Aug 2015 #69
Link to where bravenak said she supports Hillary Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #71
bravenak does not support hillary and was supporting sanders until she got attacked by his JI7 Aug 2015 #74
No ... An OP in support of M O'M ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #22
You cannot be serious. Raine1967 Aug 2015 #27
Careful, you stoop much lower you'll probably fall down. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #31
Fall up! LOL. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #65
Thanks for stopping by, Bob. zappaman Aug 2015 #51
Why would anyone on this site watch moanin joe? EOM tiredtoo Aug 2015 #4
Several good DUer friends do it, tiredtoo. elleng Aug 2015 #7
I used to watch it daily tiredtoo Aug 2015 #49
Yup, good appearance for O'Malley. n/t FSogol Aug 2015 #6
just caught it: elleng Aug 2015 #9
Thanks Ellen! Raine1967 Aug 2015 #28
HAD to, Raine! elleng Aug 2015 #30
even better! Raine1967 Aug 2015 #32
sounds just like someone else we know demigoddess Aug 2015 #11
Looks like you're not listening. elleng Aug 2015 #14
But no great nation ever built a better future for its kids on anger or division. elleng Aug 2015 #12
I don't watch television brer cat Aug 2015 #15
THANKS, brer cat, elleng Aug 2015 #19
I have anxiety about Clinton's baggage in a General Election JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #60
you have complaints about Hillary? ibegurpard Aug 2015 #20
That ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #24
He's just using this as an opportunity to trash Sanders.[n/t] Maedhros Aug 2015 #63
LOL ... Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #66
sigh. Bernie absolutely has a record of getting progressive things done cali Aug 2015 #26
I've had an issue with O'M & his actions as mayor but... giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #29
Yes he has grasped it, giftedgirl77, elleng Aug 2015 #33
Fine, but let's not pretend that Sanders has not grasped it for a long time Armstead Aug 2015 #43
I don't pretend anything about Senator Sanders, elleng Aug 2015 #45
Nothing personal. I was referring to the posts (like above)that have implied otherwise about Sanders Armstead Aug 2015 #48
I agree, 180 degrees opposite, elleng Aug 2015 #50
Good....From a New England Yankee Armstead Aug 2015 #53
Which was/is my entire point. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #67
Yes and thanks for it, Man. elleng Aug 2015 #72
Thank for that, giftedgirl77. Raine1967 Aug 2015 #34
That would be wrong... Armstead Aug 2015 #42
His actual accomplishments are what sold me on O'Malley. hedgehog Aug 2015 #35
So the AA community has got it wrong? whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #36
No ... The AA community just supports a different candidate than I do. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #68
I don't think that's necessarily true. LiberalAndProud Aug 2015 #37
What I've learned about O'Malley, I like. Stellar Aug 2015 #39
Agree in part. Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #40
What you said regarding Sanders....and also.... Armstead Aug 2015 #44
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #47
O'Malley's good, but there's no need to dismiss the accomplishments of Sanders (or Clinton) Armstead Aug 2015 #46
I don't know if it's a slam per se JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #56
I don't watch the show, but sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #52
I did and this is what I'm saying! JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #54
Mo'M may have done some good angrychair Aug 2015 #55
Didn't exactly happen as you suggest, elleng Aug 2015 #58
From your own link angrychair Aug 2015 #62
Obamacare was better because of Bernie Sanders. Eric J in MN Aug 2015 #57
I thought Sanders also fought for one other provision in ACA.. Kensan Aug 2015 #70
The failure of the ACA website initially - example of Obama's lack of executive experience, IMO. MH1 Aug 2015 #73
I don't watch right wing reactionary anti gay commentary shows. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #59
He's my second favorite so I don't mind K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #61
It's like Bush saying he "got stuff done" in Texas..... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #64

bigtree

(85,999 posts)
1. yep
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:28 PM
Aug 2015

~O’Malley says he has record of “getting progressive things done,” not just talking about them"

~ O’Malley says Sanders doing “very good job expressing the anger that many of us our feeling...But no great nation ever built a better future for its kids on anger or division”


watch: Martin O'Malley joins Morning Joe from the campaign trail in Iowa to discuss the debates, Hillary Clinton's email server and the outsiders shaking up the 2016 race. Duration: 9:16
http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/omalley--clinton-server-news-not-productive-503859779678

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
2. Well, it is easier when you're the governor of a blue state as opposed
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:30 PM
Aug 2015

to being in the U.S. Congress with it's mix of deep red Republicans and third-way Democrats.

When Bernie was mayor, he accomplished many progressive goals. Just because he can't get the GOP and the DINOs in the U.S. Congress to go along with his correct ideas doesn't mean he wouldn't accomplish "stuff."

I'm not putting O'Malley down. I'm just pointing out that it's easier to "do progressive stuff" when you have a progressive legislature to help you.

elleng

(131,014 posts)
5. He had lots of opposition in the Maryland legislature, Fawke,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:42 PM
Aug 2015

on a variety of issues. He knows how to DEAL with such.

bigtree

(85,999 posts)
13. Our legislature isn't as progressive as you make it out to be
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:48 PM
Aug 2015

...not only do we have a divided legislature MD. voters don't always vote for Democrats.

Comparing Bernie's challenges as mayor of Burlington, Vermont to Baltimore, Md, is absurd. If you do, you can't find Bernie made a fraction of the progressive accomplishments O'Malley achieved as mayor.

...but let's make it clear what O'Malley accomplished in Md.

___The third person to receive the America’s Greatest Education Governor Award from the National Education Association in 2010, Martin O'Malley significantly increased school funding of K-12 public schools in Maryland and expanded school programs, overseeing a rise in Hispanic and African American student test scores with his insistence that underprivileged and minority students be taught by teachers as highly qualified as those who teach economically advantaged students in his state.

O'Malley not only implemented a four-year freeze on tuition for Maryland institutions of higher learning, making higher education more affordable for Marylanders, from 2008-10, he increased college appropriations to offset the freezes, and authorized more than $220 million in state capital funds to community colleges. He also budgeted more than $333 million for grants and scholarships, and in 2011, signed legislation extending in-state tuition to undocumented students. O'Malley also oversaw the reinvigoration of Maryland’s Career and Technology Education and Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) programs statewide, and the launching of the comprehensive Maryland STEM Innovation Network to promote the delivery of high quality STEM education at all levels throughout the state.
____________________________________

Martin O'Malley signed a 2009 Greenhouse Gas Reduction Act in Maryland; far ahead of most other states, & the EPA, which set a statewide goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions 25 percent below 2006 levels by 2020. By 2012, Maryland had driven down greenhouse gas emissions by nearly 10 percent compared to 2006, and by 20 percent compared to "business as usual" projections

In 2011, Maryland League of Conservation Voters gave Gov. O'Malley a B+ overall in their Governor's Report Card (and an A for climate change). In addition to the 2008 Climate Action Plan and the new GGRA Plan, Gov. O’Malley’s key accomplishments include:

•(2008) Amendment to the Maryland Renewable Energy Portfolio Standard doubled the existing standard to require that 20% of Maryland's energy be created by renewable resources by 2022, including 2% from solar energy;
•(2008) EmPOWER Maryland Act set an energy efficiency target and peak demand reduction target of 15% by 2015;
•(2008) Maryland Strategic Energy Investment Program was created using revenues from the Northeast RGGI to offset ratepayers’ electricity bills and invest in energy efficiency programs;
•(2009) Maryland Greenhouse Gas Emissions Reduction Act requires Maryland to cut greenhouse gas emissions 25% below 2006 levels by 2020; and
•(2013) Maryland Offshore Wind Energy Act of 2013 created a fund to build 200 megawatts of wind energy, which Gov. O’Malley intends to use to construct one of the nation’s first offshore wind energy farms off the coast of Ocean City.
_________________________________

In 2012, Martin O'Malley signed a bill legalizing same sex marriage in Maryland, joining seven other states in enacting marriage equality. The law survived a statewide referendum held later that year, which marked the first time marriage rights in the U.S. were extended to same-sex couples by a popular vote.

Gov. O'Malley signed into law the Fairness for All Marylanders Act, extending housing, public accommodations, and employment protections to transgender citizens and visitors of the state.

"We are closer today to creating an open, respectful, inclusive world that we want for all of our children," O'Malley said prior to signing that bill. "This bill gives us another step closer to that vision and to that reality."
read: http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2014/05/15/md-gov-signs-trans-nondiscrimination-bill-law

As Mayor of Baltimore, O'Malley helped the City become the first jurisdiction in Maryland to prohibit discrimination against transgender individuals in 2002. In one of his first acts as Governor, he signed an Executive Order prohibiting discrimination against transgender state employees in 2007.

At a National Conference on LGBT Equality in 2012, Martin remarked:

“The dignity of a free and diverse people who at the end of the day, all want the same thing for their children: to live in a loving and caring home that is protected equally under the law.”

The governor added that “discrimination based on gender identity is wrong...Passing a law to protect transgender Marylanders from employment, credit and housing discrimination is the right thing to do.”

On the final day of the 24th National Conference on LGBT Equality: Creating Change in Baltimore, Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley expressed hopes that Maryland would soon become the seventh state with marriage equality. The governor also talked about his support for efforts to secure gender identity nondiscrimination protections in the state.
____________________________

Although there isn't yet a specific proposal from him in this campaign geared toward women, Martin O’Malley has received a “100 percent” rating from NARAL Pro-Choice Maryland

O’Malley’s high marks from NARAL are proven by his track record. In 2002, while he was serving as mayor of Baltimore, aides confirmed that O’Malley supports legal abortion and fair access without interference from the government until the point of viability. He also supports late-term abortion when the life of the mother is at risk, or when the fetus has a severe abnormality. And according to NARAL Pro-Choice Maryland, O’Malley has not infringed on abortion rights by signing any new abortion restrictions during his tenure as governor.

When it comes to birth control, O’Malley increased access to contraception and pregnancy counseling, particularly among low-income women. In 2012, O’Malley signed the Family Planning Works Act, which greatly expanded reproductive-health access by providing low-income women with free pregnancy counseling and Medicaid-funded contraception, STI testing and cancer screenings. According to RH Reality Check, the act would provide these subsidized medical services to an additional 33,000 women in the state.

O’Malley has also promoted increased support for new mothers (and fathers) by signing the Maryland Parental Leave Act in 2014. The law expands parental leave for working parents, requiring Maryland small businesses to provide at least six weeks of unpaid leave for the birth of an employee’s child. Prior to the law, small businesses were exempted from providing unpaid family leave.

read: http://plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/newsroom/press-releases/planned-parenthood-action-fund-welcomes-martin-omalley-presidential-field/

Maryland, under Martin O'Malley, tied for having the lowest wage gap between our working men and women of any state in the nation...Maryland currently has the third-lowest poverty rate for women in the nation. Maryland is the No. 1 state in the nation for women-owned businesses -- one-third of Maryland businesses are women-owned. Maryland also ranks third in the nation in percentage of managerial jobs held by women at 42.4 percent. Here's the report, well worth the read-thru: https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/StateOfWomenReport.pdf
________________________________

Kim Propeack, chief of political communication for CASA de Maryland - Maryland's largest immigrants services and rights organization - and director of its political arm says Martin O'Malley has been “a real hero for the immigrant community.”

•As governor, O'Malley signed a bill allowing young immigrants illegally in the U.S. to pay in-state college tuition and to a bill to get driver's licenses.
•He was the first governor to meet with Latino leaders last year and sign up to push House Republicans to bring immigration reform legislation to a vote, which they never did
•He has shown respect that many in the immigrant community say is lacking in debates on immigration by using the term new Americans to refer to immigrants, whether here legally or not. He also established a state council to focus on integrating immigrants.
•He opposed White House proposals to return young Central American children and families who crossed the U.S-Mexico border last summer, saying they would face "certain death."
•On deportations - an issue that still vexes the current administration - O'Malley stopped Baltimore's City Detention Center from holding immigrants without criminal records for deportation by the federal government.
____________________________

I want there to be some demonstrated experience in making those words a reality for actual people; some demonstrated experience in transforming lives through their actions on the promises they're making in this campaign.

That's the reason Martin O'Malley stands tall, in my estimation, in this campaign, over the other announced candidates. He has a demonstrated experience in not only advocating for the progressive changes we need, but actually doing something about them and succeeding.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
16. Maryland is still far more progressive than the U.S. Congress.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:51 PM
Aug 2015

And, duh... a mayor isn't a governor, but that wasn't my point. My point still stands that it's easier to do progressive stuff when you have progressive help.

bigtree

(85,999 posts)
17. Congress isn't exactly the place where most people feel is famous for 'accomplishments'
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:54 PM
Aug 2015

...bending awful far to dismiss O'Malley's accomplishments.

Now, if this was Bernie's record of achievements...

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
38. Did you miss this part:
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:44 PM
Aug 2015

"I'm not putting O'Malley down..." because I wasn't.

I was still simply pointing out that it's easier to do progressive stuff when you have some back up. Period. Full stop.

bigtree

(85,999 posts)
41. we've had national legislatures divided much the same as in Maryland
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:55 PM
Aug 2015

...you're wrong about Maryland's political challenges. They certainly weren't any more accommodating of a progressive agenda than Vermont's.

elleng

(131,014 posts)
18. Thanks for setting the record straight, bigtree.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:55 PM
Aug 2015

In fact his significant experience dealing with difficult legislative issues is one of my reasons for supporting him so strongly.

brer cat

(24,580 posts)
21. It's a good thing your candidate isn't as petty as you are
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:00 PM
Aug 2015

or he would have been out the race on the first day. You do him no favors by posting crap like this.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
69. you sure do like to instigate and stir shit.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:54 PM
Aug 2015

jesus . disagreeing with a Hillary supporting AA DUer who is dissing another candidate many of us like and support equals disliking black people? jesus fucking christ no comment.

JI7

(89,254 posts)
74. bravenak does not support hillary and was supporting sanders until she got attacked by his
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 05:35 AM
Aug 2015

white supporters.

i'm hoping she will come back to supporting Sanders but there are lot who don't seem to want someone like her on that side.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
22. No ... An OP in support of M O'M ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:03 PM
Aug 2015
Why doesn't Bernie free bravenak? Is it because he's white?


You're embarassing yourself!

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
27. You cannot be serious.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:19 PM
Aug 2015

How is this an attack? Do you really believe that this entire primary season will consist of no points to be made of how the candidates are different?

elleng

(131,014 posts)
7. Several good DUer friends do it, tiredtoo.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:43 PM
Aug 2015

I'm not one of them, but apparently 'news' happens there occasionally.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
49. I used to watch it daily
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:15 PM
Aug 2015

But I stopped when both joe and mika began fawning over christie.
I am also offended watching Mika refuse to speak out when joe goes on one of his tirades. I have seen this too many times to be comfortable with it.

elleng

(131,014 posts)
30. HAD to, Raine!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:23 PM
Aug 2015

Just switched links, for a complete version of the interview which is much better; lots more issues discussed.

brer cat

(24,580 posts)
15. I don't watch television
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:49 PM
Aug 2015

except for news after huge events so I missed it. I am very impressed by O'M and consider him the most exciting candidate. I agree totally with your concerns about BS and HRC. I think both of them would face the very same obstruction that PBO has endured since day 1. The cons hate HRC and I find it hard to believe they would cotton to a self-identified socialist.

Besides, M O'M has the most pleasant supporters on DU.

elleng

(131,014 posts)
19. THANKS, brer cat,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:58 PM
Aug 2015

for recognizing his attributes and likely future problems for BS and HRC.

And

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
60. I have anxiety about Clinton's baggage in a General Election
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:41 PM
Aug 2015

I'm not going to lie to myself or anyone else.

If Sanders wins - he's going to have a hard row to hoe with those anti semitic assholes - but I think he's tough and can take it. And me? I'd have his back. What we WON'T get with Sanders is even the hint or smell of 'scandal' - deliberately with a lower case s because it's usually just made up 'stuff' about the Clintons. They just make stuff up.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
24. That ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:09 PM
Aug 2015

apparently is not difficult when one hears only what they want to hear and dismisses the rest.

But, then, it is not me fooling you.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
26. sigh. Bernie absolutely has a record of getting progressive things done
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:14 PM
Aug 2015

Many of the progressive innovations and policies he instituted as mayor have caught on and been replicated in city after city. he's had success in passing liberal legislation through the amendment process and he's shrewdly made his vote on certain legislation contingent on his getting something important, like the hundreds of millions he got for chcs in exchange for his vote for the aca

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
29. I've had an issue with O'M & his actions as mayor but...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:20 PM
Aug 2015

He is the only one that seems to have actually been able to grasp what a significant issue this is for PoC.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
43. Fine, but let's not pretend that Sanders has not grasped it for a long time
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:57 PM
Aug 2015

(please see my post below).

elleng

(131,014 posts)
45. I don't pretend anything about Senator Sanders,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:04 PM
Aug 2015

have no need to disparage him, but I am more encouraged by Governor O'Malley's substantial accomplishments as an executive.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
48. Nothing personal. I was referring to the posts (like above)that have implied otherwise about Sanders
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:11 PM
Aug 2015

IMO many things about Sanders are fair game. People want to say he's "too far left," too old, too grumpy....whatever. Okay. Fair game for debate.

But that claim he doesn't understand or care about the plight of PoC? ? No. That's a falsehood that is is 180 degrees opposite from the truth. And it's beyond the pale, IMO.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
42. That would be wrong...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:56 PM
Aug 2015

I could bring out the video of Sanders ranting on the floor of Congress opposing a "tough on crime" amendment in 1991 -- shows him talking about how our criminal justice system is not about justice but "retribution, vengeance and institutional murder."..and how it disproportionately punishes blacks....That's 1991, not last week. It's on several threads, if you care to see it.

Sanders grasps it, and has gotten it for a long time. And has been fighting the system to change it for a long time.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
37. I don't think that's necessarily true.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:41 PM
Aug 2015

Bernie has been in the trenches for some time now. At least it can be said he has experience in working with the teabagging crazy folks the states keep sending to Congress. The same can't be said for Mr. O'Malley.

Budget, Ranking Member
Energy and Natural Resources, Member
Environment and Public Works, Member
Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, Member
Subcommittee on Children and Families, Member
Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety, Member
Subcommittee on Energy, Member
Subcommittee on Fisheries, Water, and Wildlife, Member
Subcommittee on Green Jobs and the New Economy, Member
Subcommittee on National Parks, Member
Subcommittee on Primary Health and Retirement Security, Ranking Member
Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure, Member
Subcommittee on Water and Power, Member
Veterans Affairs, Member

O'Malley Governor of Maryland, Mayor of Baltimore, and a city councilor

While he was effective in his state and city, I wonder how well he'll transition to DC madness.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
39. What I've learned about O'Malley, I like.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:50 PM
Aug 2015

Even when he went tough on crime, he went all the way tough (which I didn't like), but it was the law. And, we need to change that. It's like, just tell him what to do and he's off to the races. I like that about him.


Go M O'M!

ETA: I do not watch 'Morning Joke' glad you shared that Info, thanks!

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
40. Agree in part.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:54 PM
Aug 2015

I strongly agree that Governor O'Malley is a strong progressive candidate. He was my first choice and the main reason I switched was because he waited too long to declare, imo. I think he would be a fine, potentially great president.

I don't know as much as I should about Bernie's civil rights record. But here are some things I know: 1) Bernie established the Congressional Progressive Caucus and is currently the only senatorial member. That is a non-trivial accomplishment. If he is elected, it may be very important in re-organizing Congress.

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/caucus-members/

2) He fought hard for Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition in 1988. He endorsed Jackson and delivered Vermont for him in the primaries. That was a non-trivial event and Reverend Jackson's candidacy may even have paved the way for the election of President Obama.

3) He amended the Affordable Care Act to include billions (two billion?) to include community centers to make health care more accessible for PoC. So I categorically reject any claim that Bernie hasn't done anything about civil rights since marching with MLK.

With respect to HRC, her record on civil rights is distinguishable, because it was so bad.

Finally, I disagree with this O'Malley quote from Post #1 above: "But no great nation ever built a better future for its kids on anger or division.”

George Washington and his allies won the Revolutionary War in division from the one third neutral colonists and the one third loyalist colonists.

Abraham Lincoln and his allies abolished slavery in division from the Confederacy.

Women and their allies won the right to vote in division from misogynists and chauvinists.

Workers and their allies won the 40 hour work week and abolished child labor in division from capitalists.

FDR and his allies built the New Deal in division from conservatives.

Civil rights activists and their allies abolished Jim Crow in division from segregationists.

The peace movement and its allies stopped the Viet Nam war in division from hawks.

"I welcome their hatred." FDR, 1936... "I welcome their hatred." Bernie Sanders, 2015

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
44. What you said regarding Sanders....and also....
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:00 PM
Aug 2015

...we do need to point to the causes, not just the results.

This is an Oligarchy. We have to be honest about that, and not pretend it is some nebulous "failure of government."

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
46. O'Malley's good, but there's no need to dismiss the accomplishments of Sanders (or Clinton)
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:04 PM
Aug 2015

Sanders has accomplished a lot over his life. It has not just been "talk." That's a gratituous slam that is not going to win many of his supporters over to O'Malley if Bernie doesn't make the cut.

Likewise with Clinton. I have immense problems with her and what she represents. But she too has worked tirelessly, and has made continuations to progressive advances in her own way.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
56. I don't know if it's a slam per se
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:27 PM
Aug 2015

If you join us in the O'Malley group - read through the threads -

We tend to fall into this line of thinking -

What did you do?
When?
How?
What were the challenges?
How would you do it differently?


Details work with us. It's going to be a challenge to start canvassing with a few brief statements but I'm encouraging others to create theirs. Mine are ready. To knock on a lot of doors you need to bring the depth and extent of detail in O'Malley's platform (check out his white papers) down into high level statements.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
54. I did and this is what I'm saying!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:25 PM
Aug 2015
I don't feel comfortable with anything other than details and a proven record of implementation.

I'm sick of the fighting (not internally - across the aisle).

I'm sick of feeling like Washington DC is that place, over there, that I just throw more bad money after bad money at (taxes).

I want solutions. I want ideas.

And dammit - NOT just the people of NH and Iowa - but ALL Democratic Primary voters deserve to hear the best ideas on the platform.

When this primary is over - I want the best ideas out there. When our own candidates can't get together and share those ideas in a public arena - it's going to cause us (the folks voting for them) to continue to shout past each other.

And all that aside - He's a strong communicator. His strong belief in Democratic the ideas comes through - and you can see his mind working.

angrychair

(8,717 posts)
55. Mo'M may have done some good
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:27 PM
Aug 2015

But selling M.D. out to the gambling industry and lining the pockets of people like Sheldon Adelson is a big negative in my book. Trying win the "race to the bottom" with Atlantic City or Biloxi or Vegas, to see who can amass the most bankrupt casinos and new pawn shops is not my idea of a legacy.

elleng

(131,014 posts)
58. Didn't exactly happen as you suggest,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:35 PM
Aug 2015

debate went on for a long time in MD and he agreed to a compromise.

Governor O'Malley brought casinos to Maryland but that doesn't mean he likes them.

The episode reflected O’Malley’s ambivalence toward Maryland’s slow embrace of casino gambling.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/gov-omalley-brought-casinos-to-maryland-but-that-doesnt-mean-he-likes-them/2014/09/02/4a37050a-2eba-11e4-994d-202962a9150c_story.html

angrychair

(8,717 posts)
62. From your own link
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:49 PM
Aug 2015

"Yet Maryland’s soon-to-be ­$1 billion-a-year casino industry would not have gotten off the ground without O’Malley’s active involvement, after years of bitter stalemate at the State House in Annapolis."

And

"Gambling interests also have played a role in O’Malley’s political activities. Caesars Entertainment, the lead company behind the Horseshoe, gave $100,000 to the Democratic Governors Association in 2012, during O’Malley’s tenure as chairman of the group, which seeks to elect party members nationwide. Aides have said such contributions have no influence on O’Malley’s policy views." ...sure it didn't.

At the end of the day the only people getting rich from a casino are people like Sheldon Adelson ( billionaire) and state lawmakers PACs

Kensan

(180 posts)
70. I thought Sanders also fought for one other provision in ACA..
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:06 PM
Aug 2015

I thought I remembered Senator Sanders adding a provision to the ACA bill that would allow states to set up their own single payer systems. The result would be that some states would adopt a Medicare for all approach (Vermont was in the process), and if successful, other states would follow as a way to achieve cost reductions. That provision was to be the stepping stone we all had been waiting for.

Obama's team really blew state-level single payer rollouts with the disastrous implementation of the ACA enrollment website. The constant criticism (albeit a bit overhyped by folks vehemently opposed to ACA anyway) made states scuttle their plans due to an extremely negative political environment.

Unfortunately I have to return from my lunch break, so I can't research this to confirm if Sanders was the original author of this provision or just signed on as a sponsor.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
73. The failure of the ACA website initially - example of Obama's lack of executive experience, IMO.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:00 PM
Aug 2015

Let's be clear - I love Obama. I think both his intentions are good and his instincts are mostly good, and his intellectualism is far above expectations for a politician. But he did come to the job with a lack of real executive experience.

O'Malley, on the other hand, not only has many years of executive experience, but a track record of effective executive experience. He is also progressive on most issues, very good on environmental issues, and seems to be willing to listen and collaborate.

ismnotwasm

(41,997 posts)
61. He's my second favorite so I don't mind K&R
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:43 PM
Aug 2015

I want him to make a strong showing, I want him to be heard--he's one hell of a Democrat and a great guy from what I can tell. He also has workable plans, and is consistent.

I won't go into the reasons I support Hillary here, but O'Malley has certainly got my attention

But to answer your question--no, I never listen to any talk radio. I'm backwards like that

Oops edit--looks like a show--I'm a reader

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
64. It's like Bush saying he "got stuff done" in Texas.....
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:11 PM
Aug 2015

Texas Democrats aren't the same as National Democrats.

Just like Maryland Republicans aren't the same as National Republicans.

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