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NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:32 PM Aug 2015

"Are harsh, intolerant, self-indulgent radicals trying to hijack Seattle?"

The Seattle political left is laboring to label the booing of BLM on Saturday as liberal “racism.” Its echo chamber, removed from reality, has resorted to rationalizing tactics neither rational nor civil. Most of all, the movement to change police tactics, to restore economic justice, must appeal to Americans’ basic sense of justice and fairness. Black Lives Matter sure didn’t do that on Saturday.

Apologists are now claiming, in the words of one former intern at The Stranger, that disruption of the speech, “forced Sanders’ campaign to address racial justice.” It was, he posted, “making progress f****** happen.”

How condescending toward candidate Sanders. He is a veteran of the 1960’s civil rights movement. He has been talking for 50 years of the need to eradicate racism. He has spoken to unemployment of African-American youth, and America’s absurd incarceration rate, from coast to coast and before 13,000 people Saturday night in Seattle. At Westlake earlier in the day, the crowd was prevented from hearing intelligent, passionate discussion of economic justice and eradicating racism. No wonder people booed.



http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2015/08/11/are-harsh-intolerant-self-indulgent-radicals-trying-to-hijack-seattle-we-have-a-liberal-city-to-defend/

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"Are harsh, intolerant, self-indulgent radicals trying to hijack Seattle?" (Original Post) NaturalHigh Aug 2015 OP
I wish folks would just let Bernie handle it. stone space Aug 2015 #1
I think it's too late. sibelian Aug 2015 #2
yep, tone deaf! BLM wants to discuss policy in 2015- the robotic response is " Marched w MLK" bettyellen Aug 2015 #3
They don't want to discuss policy AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #4
he had zip nana zilch on his website until a few days ago. while I am sure you have no idea how that bettyellen Aug 2015 #6
He has been talking about it for months in speech after speech AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #10
I guess you missed all the NEW statements and NEW content Bernie added in the last couple of weeks? bettyellen Aug 2015 #30
Because he had them on his senatorial website before. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #42
Careful now. You might disrupt their narrative. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #44
It is as if you are trying to undo any goodwill Sanders has earned in the last weeks. Interesting. bettyellen Aug 2015 #76
Huh? How so? NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #79
Insulting people who vote. I thought that was a no-brainer. bettyellen Aug 2015 #80
So people who vote are immune from criticism? NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #83
Insults. Try and stay with me here. Also, bizarre accusations and CTs- all alienating. bettyellen Aug 2015 #84
What kind of bizarre accusations? NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #85
Says someone pushing memes and AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #102
Well why the hell would anyone look there when he had a "for president" web site? Seriously. bettyellen Aug 2015 #67
Good for him AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #106
You are imagining lots of strange things that are not true. Agony? Lol. bettyellen Aug 2015 #117
It's a NEW Campaign Armstead Aug 2015 #63
Wow. To me it was a glaring omission, but whatever. Go tell voters they should have been following bettyellen Aug 2015 #68
Not a matter of ego...A matter of not liking to see total distortions Armstead Aug 2015 #74
The info WAS missing from his campaign site. And answers like "but college and youth employment" bettyellen Aug 2015 #75
It is history....Hopefully everyone will move beyond it Armstead Aug 2015 #77
maybe give people a full week or so, LOL. bettyellen Aug 2015 #78
They're not really "new" ms liberty Aug 2015 #105
Not true. tblue Aug 2015 #81
on his website, not "on his sight". Listening matters. Just as when people ask about racial justice today bettyellen Aug 2015 #82
"They just want to throw stink bombs instead." NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #9
Nonsense, since BS announced his campaign giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #37
Absolute nonsense AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #39
This poster showed up here in May TM99 Aug 2015 #57
Yup. Agschmid Aug 2015 #64
That poster should be banned. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #65
1-6 to leave this post. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #95
That got an alert? Seriously? NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #99
The whole point is he has been fighting for peoples rights Alittleliberal Aug 2015 #58
That is flat out untrue, and if your ageist self had a clue, you'd know it. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #86
You don't discuss policy by demanding someone bow down before you.. frylock Aug 2015 #7
They had their chance to discuss AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #40
that is largely not response. but many of you hill devotees like to push false memes cali Aug 2015 #23
I am not a Hil devotee by any means. LOL, those sort of assumptions are just foolish. bettyellen Aug 2015 #26
Yep, that's me, a radical entirely intolerant of racism BainsBane Aug 2015 #5
How dare white "liberals" take exception to being called "liberal white supremacists" frylock Aug 2015 #8
Especially hearing it from a white liberal herself! artislife Aug 2015 #98
I don't think anybody had you in mind. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #11
True, no one was thinking of Bain. eom artislife Aug 2015 #13
I stand with them 100 percent BainsBane Aug 2015 #21
Okay, cool. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #22
So these guys are no good then? BainsBane Aug 2015 #92
They're cool with me. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #93
What's the difference? BainsBane Aug 2015 #94
I don't remember reading about George Washington... NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #96
The Boston Tea Party wasn't polite BainsBane Aug 2015 #103
And you are comparing literally apples and hazelnuts here nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #108
Apples and oranges. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #109
That isn't the point BainsBane Aug 2015 #113
Like you, I'm a Hillary Clinton supporter. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #114
You can't save them... haikugal Aug 2015 #110
of course you do, but then you defend farrakhan cali Aug 2015 #25
by the defitions you are using, you have no right to have an opinion, let alone speak for them nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #33
^^^this. artislife Aug 2015 #100
you're a white liberal ibegurpard Aug 2015 #12
Yup nt artislife Aug 2015 #15
You noticed that too, eh? NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #24
Normally the White Savior Narrative is saved for movies Capt. Obvious Aug 2015 #32
Zing! romanic Aug 2015 #47
Yep. I've called her out on it. She feels she has the right to speak for black people. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #71
I always chuckle at your self perception Capt. Obvious Aug 2015 #31
Why would you possibly imagine that is of any interest to me? BainsBane Aug 2015 #89
Except you're a fan of Louis Farrakhan, a virulent homophobe, racist and anti-Semitic. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #45
How interesting. I hadn't seen that before. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #46
Honestly, I wouldn't take that too seriously. I think she is just trying to burnish her "radical" Romulox Aug 2015 #70
Trust me I don't. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #116
You're no radical; you are for Hillary, the candidate of the Status Quo. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #69
I understand it's unforgivable BainsBane Aug 2015 #88
A "radical" is someone who challenges entrenched power, not one who defends it. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #90
^^^THIS^^^THIS^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #115
I am intolerant of sexual predators LeftOfWest Aug 2015 #119
Not really surprising that you're here attacking the "radical" BLM protestors. DanTex Aug 2015 #14
My second favorite group is Pets. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #16
GASP! sibelian Aug 2015 #49
Worthy of the fainting couch to be sure. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #50
I just about made it over to the chaise longue sibelian Aug 2015 #52
Beer...the cause of and solution to all problems. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #54
Oh yeah, I forgot. The NRA and Liberty U are good, and "black radicals" are bad. DanTex Aug 2015 #51
Huh? NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #53
Gosh, that's ME rumbled. sibelian Aug 2015 #55
No one is buying what you're selling. Alittleliberal Aug 2015 #59
Ah, complexity. Truly bizarre that a Bernie supporter would want to bring up that topic. DanTex Aug 2015 #60
And here we go again with criticizing Alittleliberal Aug 2015 #61
However shall we muddy-faced fools navigate this *infernal labyrinth*? sibelian Aug 2015 #62
Bernie supporters are incapable of complexity? NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #66
As if you yourself aren't simply a Hillary partisan making hay of this matter. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #73
While the cause is critically important, the tactics are backfiring whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #17
at some point, people will inevitably ask 'if they're this beligerent to a long time civil rights' HFRN Aug 2015 #28
I guess some would ask that, but I wouldn't whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #29
it is taboo here to say anything about BLM that carries even a hint of criticism cali Aug 2015 #18
Yes, I've gotten that impression. NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #19
I am gay and am highly critical of how Human Rights Campaign m-lekktor Aug 2015 #20
Thanks for that. Great post. TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #27
well-said Vattel Aug 2015 #35
People conveniently forget the tension between LGBTers and our "official" movement Prism Aug 2015 #36
Thank you. QC Aug 2015 #41
Well spoken. sibelian Aug 2015 #56
That's by and large been my biggest JackInGreen Aug 2015 #107
"Are harsh, intolerant, self-indulgent radicals trying to hijack Seattle?" OilemFirchen Aug 2015 #34
Other than the WTO debacle, what specifically are you referring to? NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #48
I think Black Bloc is enough, OilemFirchen Aug 2015 #118
Keep it up. nt Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #38
Keep what up? NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #43
We need to follow example JackInGreen Aug 2015 #72
Look d_r Aug 2015 #87
"you even have some that think it was nothing more than rude self-absorbed behavior" NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #91
The event disruptors shut down in Seattle was a protect Social Security and Medicare type event, Zorra Aug 2015 #97
except, young economically privileged disruptors don't understand that the rest of us nashville_brook Aug 2015 #111
• This answers the question ... FraDon Aug 2015 #101
This is petty JackInGreen Aug 2015 #104
Bwahaha! An "intern at The Stranger"??? TheSarcastinator Aug 2015 #112
 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
1. I wish folks would just let Bernie handle it.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:45 PM
Aug 2015

How can he even be heard above all this noise?

If he feels condescension, let him express those feelings in his own way and in his own words.

Whatever honest feelings he may have, it is much better to let him decide how to express them.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
3. yep, tone deaf! BLM wants to discuss policy in 2015- the robotic response is " Marched w MLK"
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:45 PM
Aug 2015

Not too smart.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
4. They don't want to discuss policy
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:17 PM
Aug 2015

Bernie has been the only candidate discussing this issue for months and they don't want to hear it. Hillary hasn't been discussing it. OMalley hasn't been discussing it. Only Bernie has been discussing it.

They (and you) just want to throw stink bombs instead.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
6. he had zip nana zilch on his website until a few days ago. while I am sure you have no idea how that
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:33 PM
Aug 2015

looks, it is actually quite meaningful to people who actually do give a shit.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
10. He has been talking about it for months in speech after speech
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:12 PM
Aug 2015

Hillary had zip nana zilch on her website until a few days ago. You are projecting.

Take your fingers out of your ears and stop saying, "La la la la la!!" and you won't be so out of the loop.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
30. I guess you missed all the NEW statements and NEW content Bernie added in the last couple of weeks?
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:17 PM
Aug 2015

Funny how die hard fans can miss HUGE NEW changes in his campaigning. LOL.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
76. It is as if you are trying to undo any goodwill Sanders has earned in the last weeks. Interesting.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:02 AM
Aug 2015

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
79. Huh? How so?
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:14 AM
Aug 2015

I'm not planning to vote for him in the primary, but I have a great deal of respect for Bernie Sanders. How am I trying to undo his goodwill?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
67. Well why the hell would anyone look there when he had a "for president" web site? Seriously.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:48 AM
Aug 2015

I have not seen anyone point to it here when this was discussed before. Others have said there are new ideas and proposals- are you saying there are not?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
63. It's a NEW Campaign
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 09:07 AM
Aug 2015

A lot of stuff to do. A lot of basic organizational stuff. A lot of issues to address.

Sanders has certainly addressing the basic issues involved -- for years. It's not his fault that some people weren't paying attention until now.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
68. Wow. To me it was a glaring omission, but whatever. Go tell voters they should have been following
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:50 AM
Aug 2015

someone else senator for years and see how that works. BS has CORRECTED course. Don't let ego get in the way of accepting that.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
75. The info WAS missing from his campaign site. And answers like "but college and youth employment"
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:01 AM
Aug 2015

when asked about Mike Brown were beyond tone deaf.
He has upped his game considerably- and that is awesome. Not going to rewrite history for you, though.

ms liberty

(8,584 posts)
105. They're not really "new"
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 01:09 PM
Aug 2015

These are things Bernie has been talking about for a very long time. What is new is that they have been consolidated under one tab on his POTUS campaign website.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
81. Not true.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:21 AM
Aug 2015

He had racial justice on his sight already. And he has dedicated his life to it. Please read up on him if you want the truth and you'll see what an extraordinary human being he is and always was. Fighting for your own cause is great. Fighting someone else's is extraordinary in my book. He really never had to do jack--he lost family in the Holocaust; he could have stuck with just that--but he did has always, always, to this day, fought for the disenfranchised and the voiceless. And he's fought boldly too to make better laws that literally impact our daily lives.

What Has Bernie done exactly? I'll tell you if you want to know.

Peace & solidarity...

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
82. on his website, not "on his sight". Listening matters. Just as when people ask about racial justice today
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:24 AM
Aug 2015

they are not asking about MLK/ fifty years ago. That was a large part of the problem, not listening and respecting the question asked.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
37. Nonsense, since BS announced his campaign
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:16 PM
Aug 2015

had failed to address social justice issues. It wasn't until people started calling him out that his campaign offered more than just a sound bite & the tired meme about him marching 40+ years ago.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
39. Absolute nonsense
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:53 PM
Aug 2015

He has never stopped talking about it. It's all there for anyone motivated enough to look.

Your 'Bernie never talks about social justice' meme is a LIE

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
57. This poster showed up here in May
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:54 AM
Aug 2015

right around the time the meme was picking up steam here with a certain segment.

Any direct challenge of the meme is met with silence and repetitions of the same statements.

And on edit, I notice she has six posts hidden and is currently flagged for review. Wow, that one post reeked of virulent anti-Semitism.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
99. That got an alert? Seriously?
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 12:56 PM
Aug 2015

I would like to see the alert and the reason for it. Frankly I have no idea how that could have happened.

Alittleliberal

(528 posts)
58. The whole point is he has been fighting for peoples rights
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:55 AM
Aug 2015

Before it was politically convenient. He's been remarkably consistent and has been a fierce fighter for all liberal cause and civil rights for 50 years. We are responding to flat out lies. You guys are doing exactly what fox news does. Twisting an event to progress a narrative and then repeating the lie over and over until people either don't remember the truth or are so over saturated by the lie that they believe it.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
86. That is flat out untrue, and if your ageist self had a clue, you'd know it.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:55 AM
Aug 2015

Sanders has talked about social justice continually. It is one of his central themes.

The Democratic candidates--by your own statement--are too old and too white. So wtf are you doing here?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
7. You don't discuss policy by demanding someone bow down before you..
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:08 PM
Aug 2015

#BLM wants us to listen. Okay, were listening. Fucking say something. Demanding people #sayhername may feel good, but it accomplishes jack fucking shit.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
40. They had their chance to discuss
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:55 PM
Aug 2015

And they chose to call people filthy names and throw stink bombs instead. They don't want dialog. They don't want to discuss policy. They just want to burn the house down thinking they are helping Hillary, but all they do is shine more sunlight on her ersatz liberalism.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
23. that is largely not response. but many of you hill devotees like to push false memes
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:00 PM
Aug 2015

Obvious and none too admirable. Fits with your candidate like a glove.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
5. Yep, that's me, a radical entirely intolerant of racism
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:28 PM
Aug 2015

and racial violence, as well as white "liberals" who think their feelings are more important than lethal racial injustice.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
8. How dare white "liberals" take exception to being called "liberal white supremacists"
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:10 PM
Aug 2015

the nerve of some people.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
98. Especially hearing it from a white liberal herself!
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 12:49 PM
Aug 2015

I can't believe the chutzpah of some posters!

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
11. I don't think anybody had you in mind.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:36 PM
Aug 2015

The article was about the ones that hijacked the Seattle social security rally that was supposed to feature Sanders as a guest speaker.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
21. I stand with them 100 percent
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:56 PM
Aug 2015

I didn't think you had me in mind. Don't worry, I don't think everything is about me. I'm simply proclaiming my support for BLM over white privilege. The idea that a movement for human lives is more "self-indulgent" than white liberals who believe they and their favored politician are too important to be inconvenienced is the ultimate in irony.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
22. Okay, cool.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:58 PM
Aug 2015

As I posted in another thread, anybody who behaves like this group did in Seattle gets no time or respect from me.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
94. What's the difference?
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 12:42 PM
Aug 2015

Guns better than shouting? I made an option for that in my poll based on the request of another valiant 2A defender. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251515065
Only then he didn't choose that option after all. I feel a bit miffed about that.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
96. I don't remember reading about George Washington...
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 12:47 PM
Aug 2015

jumping up on a stage and bullying an old man. I guess you could argue that he bullied the king long distance or something.

What the BLM women did was cowardly and rude. Hopefully all of the candidates will have better security in place from now on to keep this sort of crap from happening.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
103. The Boston Tea Party wasn't polite
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 01:07 PM
Aug 2015

There was a lot of shouting and throwing of other people's property into the harbor.

You want to know someone who was really rude?
Nat Turner




Denmark Vesey was rude too:




But then slavery was pretty rude too, as is a society in which police kill hundreds of black people every year with impunity.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
108. And you are comparing literally apples and hazelnuts here
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 01:16 PM
Aug 2015

just STOP< you are not helping any one. This act is also making you look foolish in the extreme

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
113. That isn't the point
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 05:11 PM
Aug 2015

He's running to be president of this country. Killings of black people is a major political issue. If he only wants to be held accountable for what he has personally done, he shouldn't be in politics. A president is expected to represent all Americans. African Americans are the single most reliable Democratic voting block, and many of them have had enough of voting for Democrats who don't address serious problems like those killings. They have every right to make their voices heard. It has to do with the presidency and political representation, not Sanders personally. As I said, that's the deal when someone runs for president. BLM has protested most of the candidates in the race, yet no one else's supporters have freaked out over it. For some reason, it is only Sanders supporters who think themselves too good to have to be confronted with the free speech of others, who see activists for black lives as beneath them. O'Malley's supporters haven't reacted that way. Jeb Bush's supporters haven't even reacted that way.

People here seem to think black people owe them something. They do not. They owe Sanders nor anyone here a thing.

People can't claim to be progressive or leftist and work to silence the subaltern.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
114. Like you, I'm a Hillary Clinton supporter.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 06:58 AM
Aug 2015

Honest question here: how would you be reacting if Secretary Clinton had been accosted in the same way that Senator Sanders was?

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
110. You can't save them...
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 01:24 PM
Aug 2015

No amount of discussion or reasoning or attempt to understand will go without derision and the appropriate (to them) amount of twisting to their purpose. That purpose is to create Google memes.

Tweet, Google etc. memes. Check it out.

Anyone who supports someone who supports Louis Farrakhan is not someone I want to know better. Anyone who isn't interested in listening and discussing and coming to some two way understanding in not someone who is interested in raising us all up.

Anyone who could have chosen to talk but wanted to disrupt and ended with a hashtag #BowdownBernie is beyond disgusting. It isn't about the young women who did this, it's about changing and improving justice system for everyone. Stop the killing, all the killing!!!! Stop the abuse, stop the hate!

There are people here who do nothing but keep the pot stirred, that is their entire reason for posting. Pfft...

Me? I'm going to continue doing what needs to be done.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
33. by the defitions you are using, you have no right to have an opinion, let alone speak for them
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:29 PM
Aug 2015

I am Latina, and by your own definitions I don't either. And I do not attempt to, beyond conveying what we have been told and seen...

For the record, you deal with this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251516428

I will ask you ONCE again stop playing this shitty racist game. And as a Latina I think I can detect it.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
100. ^^^this.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 12:57 PM
Aug 2015

There are so many here who are fronting. And as you go back and check the recs on some posters, you can see exactly when the "concern" came in...

It makes me more disappointed than those who are straight up discouraged by the events.

Kind of like why Blacks have issues with White Progressives, its the grandstanding.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
45. Except you're a fan of Louis Farrakhan, a virulent homophobe, racist and anti-Semitic.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 07:09 AM
Aug 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2890328

So you'll understand why I question your claim that you're a "radical entirely intolerant of racism".

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
70. Honestly, I wouldn't take that too seriously. I think she is just trying to burnish her "radical"
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:51 AM
Aug 2015

credentials.

The poster hasn't been interested in racial justice issues until it appeared to favor her candidate.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
116. Trust me I don't.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 07:14 AM
Aug 2015

She's exploiting gender issues the same way but women on DU aren't buying the meme that Bernie doesn't care about us.

Bernie Sanders is the best candidate when it comes to civil rights, no amount of manufactured poutrage can change that fact.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
88. I understand it's unforgivable
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:57 AM
Aug 2015

that I don't seek to return America to the 1950s and refuse to work to put the white upper-middle and middle class back to what they see as their rightful place atop the capitalist world order. And no, I will not join in the great and noble struggle of the 10 percent vs. the 1 percent. I won't stand with any group of people who show contempt toward the subaltern.

Apparently the idea that one's political consciousness is not defined around a politician comes as a shock to you. Somehow that doesn't surprise me given the great man view of politics that reigns around here.

Prior to this election cycle, I was regularly dismissed as a "radical feminist" for daring to believe rapists should be prosecuted and that women were human beings entitled to equal rights. Now because I refuse to subsume my rights and those of the majority for the economic concerns of the white middle and upper-middle class, I am now a corporatist supporter of the status quo. I am of course the same person with the same political views, who does not contort and twist them in order to accommodate one politician or another. Who I vote for is the least of my concerns; it does not define who I am.

I am only radical to those whose spectrum of acceptable politics is bound to the interests of the white bourgeoisie. I am a leftist and I will always be a leftist. That means I stand with the people--the subaltern--over those who seek to usurp their rights, whose only critique of capital is that they themselves do not reap the benefits they once did.

 

LeftOfWest

(482 posts)
119. I am intolerant of sexual predators
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 03:49 AM
Aug 2015

being anywhere near public office for any reason.

That's just me bains.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
14. Not really surprising that you're here attacking the "radical" BLM protestors.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:39 PM
Aug 2015
Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
52. I just about made it over to the chaise longue
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:19 AM
Aug 2015

...unfortunately I passed the fridge and remembered there was beer.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
51. Oh yeah, I forgot. The NRA and Liberty U are good, and "black radicals" are bad.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:18 AM
Aug 2015

Talk about "evolving".

Alittleliberal

(528 posts)
59. No one is buying what you're selling.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:56 AM
Aug 2015

Just stop Dan. Real life is more complex then the lens you view it from.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
60. Ah, complexity. Truly bizarre that a Bernie supporter would want to bring up that topic.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:57 AM
Aug 2015

Particularly in an OP titled "Are harsh, intolerant, self-indulgent radicals trying to hijack Seattle?"

Alittleliberal

(528 posts)
61. And here we go again with criticizing
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:58 AM
Aug 2015

An entire group of people over the actions of a few. Can you say hypocrisy?

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
66. Bernie supporters are incapable of complexity?
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 09:39 AM
Aug 2015

I'm a Clinton guy myself, but that's pretty insulting.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
17. While the cause is critically important, the tactics are backfiring
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:42 PM
Aug 2015

People can say what happened in Seattle "forced" Bernie to do the right thing, but it's self-congratulatory bull because he's always done the right thing by PoC. If he's been forced to do anything, it's add the expected (and evolving) language and imagary to his campaign. Maybe that in itself is considered a win, but the style of the Seattle protesters is not building support. From what I can tell it turned off a lot of people, including a good number of PoC. Too bad he never gets the kind of BLM "protests" Hillary seems to get.

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
28. at some point, people will inevitably ask 'if they're this beligerent to a long time civil rights'
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:14 PM
Aug 2015

supporter, who's never done anything to them, then what kind of attitude are they showing the police?'

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
29. I guess some would ask that, but I wouldn't
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:17 PM
Aug 2015

Black folks are getting murdered by white police. Maybe some cases aren't cut and dry, but enough are that something has to be done.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
18. it is taboo here to say anything about BLM that carries even a hint of criticism
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:42 PM
Aug 2015

It's whitesplaining. Worse it's white supremacism.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
20. I am gay and am highly critical of how Human Rights Campaign
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:48 PM
Aug 2015

conducts itself. Many of my fellow gays feel the same way as I do. Does that make me a self loathing gay hater who is also gay? The attempts by the people who try to equate criticism of how a group with a worthy cause conducts themselves with hating the cause is fucking disingenuous and absurd and it is being done for obvious reasons.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
36. People conveniently forget the tension between LGBTers and our "official" movement
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:57 PM
Aug 2015

If you voted for least popular gay individual in the movement, Joe Solmonese would've gotten a whole lot of votes for a very long time.

That's why I'm having slight trouble tackling the BLM matters movement. On the one hand, my impulse is to defer to the leaders, such as they are in a flat movement. But on the other, I know I didn't want the "leaders" of the LGBT movement speaking for me much of the time. Their interests oftentimes did not align with my own, and how they chose to advance things really didn't often tack with where the rest of the community was at.

And, of course, the people interested in maintaining Establishment status quo always threw Solmonese in our faces when the rest of us were protesting.

There are some similarities here, in that I often see, "This is one of the founders of BLM. If you don't agree with her, then you're wrong and terrible." Well, maybe. But I rarely agreed with Solmonese, and I don't think anyone who did disagree with him or the HRC was automatically an enemy of LGBT progress.

It's weird. There's a lot of history on DU in regards to the LGBT movement, how we reacted, what our leadership did, etc. Many of the posters now doing a 180 were posting about it then, but now there's a total collective amnesia.

I suppose political expediency can do that to a noggin.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
34. "Are harsh, intolerant, self-indulgent radicals trying to hijack Seattle?"
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:31 PM
Aug 2015

After decades of "harsh, intolerant, self-indulgent radicals" defining Seattle, this is now a thing?

Holy fucking wow.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
118. I think Black Bloc is enough,
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:09 PM
Aug 2015

but we can start with the General Strike in 1919 and move through the anarchist underpinnings of much of the left since then.

It's humorous that someone has suddenly discovered a a discomfiting bit of boisterous protest there.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
72. We need to follow example
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:53 AM
Aug 2015

And keep it like Bernie. Stay positive, adapt, consider, but don't attack. This isn't helping anymore if it ever did.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
87. Look
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:56 AM
Aug 2015

I support the message of BLM. I want to see society change.

I think Bernie Sanders a guy, I've listened to him on the radio here and there over the years. He has great messages.

Sometimes everybody needs to let news die and move in to a next cycle.

Sanders has moved on.

Let it go.

BLM is trying to show that they are protesting other candidates as well.

I think the truth is Bernie Sanders was a "soft target." I read that somewhere.

It was a lot easier to get on stage with him than any other politician, and he was kind enough to let go of the stage instead of body guarding up.

So it went further with him that with other politicians.

They wanted a national stage and they took it.

I really think that has a lot to do with it.

The sad and sick part is how many progressive people have retreated to their two home team camps and made it us vs them when it should be us.

Some of the criticisms from Bernie fans have been tone deaf.

Some of the remarks from these BLM activists were asinine.

Together that made a tough situation were people couldn't communicate.

On one hand, you have a group supporting a guy who took real risks with his life to march and go to jail that are mind blown that BLM can't see him as an alley.

On the other hand, you have some folks that think this was ancient history and akin to saying "I have a black friend."

And you even have some that think it was courageous to yell at Bernie Sanders and just expected liberal behavior to mark with MLK.

On the other hand, you even have some that think it was nothing more than rude self-absorbed behavior.

The mistake is thinking that the two groups share the same goals. They really should long-term, but short term they do not. One group is about nothing making Bernie look bad, the other group is about getting as much exposure as possible to their message. Those two goals clashed.

One group thinks it was stupid politics, one group thinks it wasn't. Because they have different goals!!

Now it is time to move on. Let it go and lick the wounds and find ways to get back together on working towards that big goal we share. We can do that, or we can keep sniping each other over trifling bullshit.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
91. "you even have some that think it was nothing more than rude self-absorbed behavior"
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 12:15 PM
Aug 2015

I'll go with that one.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
97. The event disruptors shut down in Seattle was a protect Social Security and Medicare type event,
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 12:48 PM
Aug 2015

NOT a Bernie Sanders sponsored event.

It had been in planning for months. The administrators of the event invited Bernie Sanders to speak there.

If Bernie had declined to speak, the event would still have taken place without him. The actual Bernie Sanders rally, which was not disrupted, took place in a different venue, several hours later.

Social Security and Medicare are critical social support systems for POC in this country.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
111. except, young economically privileged disruptors don't understand that the rest of us
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 02:17 PM
Aug 2015

need social security, and need this conversation to happen.

i think it's very significant that this happened at the SS/Medicare event. in effect, it's the message that was disrupted, not the person.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
112. Bwahaha! An "intern at The Stranger"???
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 02:41 PM
Aug 2015

Hilarious -- is that really the best they could do to discredit Bernie? If an intern at The Stranger said it, it must be accurate!!

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