Bernie Sanders’ Response to Black Lives Matter Shows That Their Disruptions Are Working

[Cali_Democrat]

Hats off to BLM. What they are doing IS working:

http://mic.com/articles/123657/bernie-sanders-response-to-black-lives-matter-shows-that-their-disruptions-are-working

Bernie Sanders’ Response to Black Lives Matter Shows That Their Disruptions Are Working
By Zeeshan Aleem August 10, 2015




On Saturday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) was interrupted at a rally in Seattle by two protesters claiming affiliation with the Black Lives Matter movement.

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For some members of the left who support both Black Lives Matter and Sanders' candidacy, the two actions represent a troubling strategy. "Don't Piss on Your Best Friend," reads the title of a post by Gawker's Hamilton Nolan, who lambasts the protests as foolish for taking aim at the candidate most likely to improve the socioeconomic conditions of black Americans. In some far-left circles, the disruptions seem so apparently misguided that it was suspected to possibly be the covert work of the government, an attempt to sow discord on the left by pitting black and white organizers against each other.

But for all the worry that the recent protests have been counterproductive, they have not been without impact.

The week after Sanders was shouted down at Netroots, he came out swinging on criminal justice reform, an issue he had failed to address much earlier in his campaign, during a speech at the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. This weekend, Sanders announced that a black criminal justice advocate named Symone Sanders will help him develop a robust criminal justice agenda and serve as his national press secretary. And the Stranger documented that on Sunday, the day after Bernie Sanders faced his second disruption, the part of his website laying out his policy priorities had a conspicuous new addition: racial justice.



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http://mic.com/articles/123657/bernie-sanders-response-to-black-lives-matter-shows-that-their-disruptions-are-working

[MannyGoldstein]

1. Your idol is a Farrakhan supporter

bowdownbernie, eh?

You must be proud.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. Conservatives love to create a bogeyman out of Farrakhan.

Farrakhan is not the issue here. The issue is racial justice and #BLM is forcing Bernie to take notice:

[MannyGoldstein]

8. Farrakhan: ‘Lying, murderous Zionist Jews’ behind 9/11

http://www.timesofisrael.com/farrakhan-lying-murderous-zionist-jews-behind-911/

No worries, eh?

[cali]

14. disgusting to see this defense of Farrakhan employed to smear Bernie.

[Cali_Democrat]

16. Why are conservatives always so obsessed with Farrakhan?

Again, he's not the issue here.

The issue is racial justice.

[cali]

20. I hate to break this to you but most liberals oppose him completely

And virtually every liberal Jew. He's as bigoted as they come, the splc has designated the leader of a hate group. Fyi, the splc is not a conservative group

[Cali_Democrat]

23. The OP has nothing to do with him.

Keep trying.

[MannyGoldstein]

25. bowdownbernie

How anyone can defend that, under any circumstances - and now knowing the Farrakhan link - unbelievable.

Shame.

[Cali_Democrat]

27. Your concern is noted. nt

[MannyGoldstein]

30. Yeah. Farrakhan, Jews... whatever.

Obviously, only Conservatives are concerned by this stuff, eh?

Large swaths of Bernie's family - and mine - were extinguished not too long ago by folks spewing this crap. But for you it is tempest in a teapot.

Bowdownbernie. Whatever. Right?

[R B Garr]

68. I see you've moved on from the high schooler's backpack button...

This isn't fooling anyone.

[cali]

26. oh yes it does. both Mara and Marissa who led the protest/assault on Bernie in.Seattle

Are involved with his organization. And Bernie is Jewish. Farrakhan is a virulent antisemite.

[Cali_Democrat]

31. LOL. Your concern about #BLM is noted

Your obsession with Farrakhan is also noted.

You know who else is obsessed with Farrakhan? Sean Hannity. He's tried to link Keith Ellison to him:

Conservative talk show host Sean Hannity launched an Islampophobic attack against Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) during his Fox News show on Thursday night, implying that the Muslim Congressman is a racist and an anti-Semite. The segment came just days after Ellison and Hannity engaged in a confrontational interview on Tuesday night. “We decided to take a closer look at the man who called me immoral and a liar,” Hannity began. “Now it didn’t take long to prove his hypocrisy, as his past reveals a host of radical connections primarily to Louis Farrakhan and The Nation of Islam.”

The Fox host dug up attacks from Ellison’s 2006 Congressional campaign, criticizing the Minnesota lawmaker for defending Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam in his law school newspaper from charges of anti-Semitism and appearing on stage with Farrakhan aide Khalid Muhammad. Watch it:

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/02/28/1655581/sean-hannity-launches-islamophobic-attack-against-keith-ellison/

[cali]

32. Your support for a hateful antisemite is deplorable.

Shocking. I support blm. I do not support bigots.

[virtualobserver]

33. Apparently only some forms of racism are deplorable

[cali]

37. clearly. it's disgusting

[Cali_Democrat]

34. Where did I say I support Farrakhan?

LOL.

You're fawking funny.

I didn't even mention him. You and the other guy keep mentioning him and now you're trying to link him to me.

[cali]

35. uh you mention him several times, claim it's conservatives who object to him

And brush off the comments of someone telling you that much of his family was destroyed by the kind of antisemitism he touts

[Cali_Democrat]

38. "Your support for a hateful antisemite is deplorable"

Where did I say I support him?

[cali]

39. you defended him. you inferred only cons oppose him

[Cali_Democrat]

40. Saying the OP is not about him is defending him?

Okie dokie...

[MannyGoldstein]

41. Yeah, I'm @#$%ing Sean Hannity

'Cos only a right-wing nut could take Farrakhan's vile filth seriously.

I'm @#$%ing Sean Hannity.

[Cali_Democrat]

42. Yup

Sean Hannity is an asshole who supported McCain in 2008.

Fuck him.

[R B Garr]

69. lol, nailed it.

Looks like their phony outrage over a high schooler's backpack button hasn't paid off, so they try another amateur attempt to .....>>>>>LOOK OVER THERE, which are predictable RW talking points.

[virtualobserver]

28. Which Bernie has worked for all of his life

people who aren't dedicated to attacking him for political reasons get that.

[sheshe2]

44. I wonder who alerted on your Op~

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[Tarheel_Dem]

46. Jinx.

[sheshe2]

53. Hey~

[Tarheel_Dem]

66. We posted the same thing, at the same time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=510019

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=510018

[Cali_Democrat]

48. Well....

Looks like my alert stalker has at least another alert to use.

They're hoping to get a favorable jury.

I call it jury shopping.

LOL.

[dgibby]

59. I didn't alert, but

if I had, I'd have explained that the people in the photo (who the op apparently admires) are aligned with a rabid antisemite. Considering that Bernie's Jewish, I don't see how one can espouse racial justice for some and admire people who align themselves with people who hate Jews. The poster was told that and insisted that it wasn't a problem, despite being told by Manny that his relatives and Bernie's had been exterminated by people who though just like them. The level of this poster's disregard for the feelings of other DUer's is quite appalling.

I'm not faulting the jury, as I think the person who alerted probably assumed that the jury would understand the meaning of his/her post without going into detail.

I find it strange that Bernie's supporters are being attacked from all sides for our perceived "white supremacy" and Bernie is being taken to task for what his supporters are allegedly saying, but this poster doesn't seem to understand that it's a two-way street. If one supports/admires people who are aligned with anti-semites, then by the "logic" (and I use that word loosely) being espoused by some DUers,then wouldn't that makes one an anti-semite by association (if one espouses that particular line of reasoning)?

[Tarheel_Dem]

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[dgibby]

56. Are you one of the posters here who

keep denigrating Bernie for his supporters? Because if you are, then your admiration for people who support/are aligned with Farrakhan obviously taints you. I mean, if posters here switch their support for a candidate based on the alleged actions of his supporters, then it must work both ways. So now, it IS about Farrakhan. You can't post about racial justice and get in bed with his supporters. Doesn't work that way.

[cali]

13. Farrakhan is virulently antisemitic and a racist he has just called for the murder of whites.

He's a hateful bigot. Period.

[virtualobserver]

47. murder of whites? when did he do that?

[Cali_Democrat]

50. I'd like to know

I hadn't heard that.

Was it recently?

[virtualobserver]

51. it worries me

http://rollingout.com/2015/08/10/min-louis-farrakhan-message-justice-else-calls-retaliation/

Farrakhan recently stated, “These are not the times for weak people, for cowardly people. I need 10,000 fearless men, who say, ‘Death is sweeter than continued life under tyranny. Death is sweeter than to live and bury our children while White folks give the killer hamburgers. Retaliation is a prescription from God to calm the breast of those whose children have been enslaved. So, if the federal government will not intercede in our affairs, then we must rise up and kill those who kill us. Stalk them and kill them and let them feel the pain of death that we are feeling!”

this also worries me

https://www.facebook.com/695085197293100/photos/gm.1174632115896867/703066253161661/?type=1&theater

[cali]

62. here

http://www.rockfordadvocate.com/louis-farrakhan-tells-crowd-of-blacks-to-kill-those-who-kill-us-6706/

[Cali_Democrat]

64. Yet the OP still has nothing to do with Farrakhan

Your concern is noted.

Keep trying.

[demwing]

63. "Forcing Bernie to take notice"? Yeah right

and I suppose they also forced the Sun to rise in the East, right?

The only way you can say the disrupters forced Sanders to do anything is if you first ignore his stellar record on civil rights.

Your post is shameful.

[SonderWoman]

15. You can listen to the interview here:

[daredtowork]

61. This is a fantastic interview! Is it in an OP yet?

Some of the highlights -

Bernie as as a stand-in for Seattle white liberal culture. (Yes, "White Supremacist Liberals" does seem to be the standard way of looking at living in a really progressive city that still doesn't do right by black people. IMHO, that point of view needs to be listened to more: I live in a similar super-progressive white-washed city).

"I don't give a F about your white gaze."

Claim that the Sarah Palin thing was a result of having Tea Party parents, but now her politics are more radical leftist.

Not a Hillary plant: just can't get past Hillary's security. The call of #BLM is to challenge any candidate anywhere.

Doesn't hate white people: her mom is white.

"Most people say they don't hate black people. The question is, do you *love* black people."

Thinks the whole Democratic party is the same, so getting to Bernie will ultimately shift Hillary.

Is not apologetic. Proud she has people thinking/talking about race.

Is not about supporting political candidates, though she will use them to forward her agenda. She wants to break the systems that "never did anything for black people."

Very worthwhile listen! Thank you.

[SanchoPanza]

43. Your idol is a Jerry Falwell supporter.

Is that how this works? I don't normally do insipid character assassination via guilt-by-association, so I apologize if this attempt proves unsuccessful. And if that's the case, I'd appreciate some pointers.

[virtualobserver]

49. Justice or Else? Is she or they involved with that?

http://rollingout.com/2015/08/10/min-louis-farrakhan-message-justice-else-calls-retaliation/

Farrakhan recently stated, “These are not the times for weak people, for cowardly people. I need 10,000 fearless men, who say, ‘Death is sweeter than continued life under tyranny. Death is sweeter than to live and bury our children while White folks give the killer hamburgers. Retaliation is a prescription from God to calm the breast of those whose children have been enslaved. So, if the federal government will not intercede in our affairs, then we must rise up and kill those who kill us. Stalk them and kill them and let them feel the pain of death that we are feeling!”

[George II]

65. "Farakhan supporter"? I thought she was a "Palin Supporter".

Better get your fake accusations straight, Manny.

[virtualobserver]

2. The in your face strategy was unnecessary....Bernie was always on their side

Any strategy would work with Bernie....because he shares the goals of BLM

[99th_Monkey]

3. It's "working" despite their rudeness, not because of it.

And it's working because Bernie was already "there" in the first
place, like for 50 years, so he listened and made some minor
adaptations to his website. which is awesome.

Bernie also had BLM at his LA rally tonite to speak before he did,
also hella-awesome as well:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/11/bernie-sanders-talks-with-nurses-in-san-francisco-/

And it's working because Bernie's committed to representing
all the people, bringing people together as he puts it, to have
a fucking Political Revolution like we haven't seen before.

So yes, it's working, like that.

[ibegurpard]

9. exactly

[JackInGreen]

10. All this

+1

[Cali_Democrat]

11. Blacks are under siege

There's no time to play nice.

Sorry.

[99th_Monkey]

18. Who said Blacks were not under siege again? Certainly not me.

And certainly not Bernie. I think on this we all agree.

Who are you talking to anyway?

[Cali_Democrat]

21. Well you said they were rude. I said there's no time to play nice.

I would argue that their in-your-face tactics are precisely what is forcing people like Bernie to take notice.

[99th_Monkey]

24. You've made your argument, many times over

and I respectully disagree that rudeness, grabbing mics, shoving
and shouting "white supremacist racist" into the mans face was at
all "necessary".

[SanchoPanza]

22. Yup.

The demand to place the feelings of white Americans above the lives and dignity of black Americans is not the solution to the deepest and most intractable problems of personal and institutional white supremacy in this country.

It is the deepest and most intractable problem of personal and institutional white supremacy in this country.

[Cha]

58. John Lewis.. It is working!

JustAnotherGen http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=20951

[AtomicKitten]

5. I assure you their behavior is NOT working.

[jberryhill]

6. That depends on how you define "working"

[arcane1]

7. Kudos to Sanders for going into more detail about what he has always stood for :)

[notadmblnd]

12. Senator Sanders is not and has never been a person who is not willing to listen

That is why these women's ridiculous behavior is being frowned upon by many of his supporters. They could have accomplished the same thing by presenting themselves reasonably. No, instead they chose to reinforce in the typical bigot's mind- the stereotype of the angry black women.

But they don't want real dialog, they want attention. Yeah, the disruptions will work- till they no longer work. Then what? Violence? Because imo they're on the edge of that now.

[SonderWoman]

17. Progress.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

19. Now if we can just get the BLM Duet to shadow HRC over her emails and ties to Wall Street.

No. I don't believe that they will either.

[giftedgirl77]

52. K&R

Because Black Lives Matter & we’ve been saying that's been missing from his priorities since his launch.

[Cha]

54. Yeah, it's Working! Love it! Keep it up #BlackLiveMatter! Mahalo Cali..

[fbc]

60. I guess they interrupted the right candidate!

[LWolf]

67. The first disruption was effective.

The second, not so much.