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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:27 PM Aug 2015

I consider campaign plans meaningless.


And I don't think I'm the only one that feels that way. Election after election they give us plans that are blessed by noted individuals - yet these plans never come to fruition (and spare me that they don't have the votes because they always seems to have the votes for what their big money supporters want).

What I'm looking at is the core values that someone espouses (for example, healthcare for all, doing what is good for the people rather than the corporations and wealthy few, doing something about the state sanctioned killing and brutalization of our fellow citizens) and whether what they espouse matches up with their history.

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who meets that requirement.
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I consider campaign plans meaningless. (Original Post) Skwmom Aug 2015 OP
Obamacare came to fruition. DanTex Aug 2015 #1
Missing the "must have a public option". n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #3
He fought for the public option, but it didn't get through congress. DanTex Aug 2015 #4
He didn't fight daredtowork Aug 2015 #7
He took Single-payer "off the table" daredtowork Aug 2015 #6
Easy to say, but what if you had a candidate who actually brought his plans to fruition while he was FSogol Aug 2015 #2
Sorry, but I can't shake the feeling that O'Malley is the backup plan in case Clinton fails Skwmom Aug 2015 #5
wacky stuff bigtree Aug 2015 #9
Seriously. FSogol Aug 2015 #11
I guess we've never had a candidate espouse a progressive message while running, only to Skwmom Aug 2015 #16
you mean like Sanders railing against Lockheed bigtree Aug 2015 #19
Created progressive? So, Maryland was an early adopter for marriage equality, passed FSogol Aug 2015 #13
all this time, we've been told by Sanders supporters that his record matters bigtree Aug 2015 #14
Sander's long record does matter because it SUPPORTS what he says. I don't find myself Skwmom Aug 2015 #18
you are out there, all right. bigtree Aug 2015 #20
pretty much a slam on your own candidate bigtree Aug 2015 #8
well no because his plans are different dsc Aug 2015 #10
No. It is not. I don't need a plan to see that Bernie will do the right thing and NO amount of Skwmom Aug 2015 #12
that has to be the most dirt dumb reasoning I've heard in support of your candidate yet bigtree Aug 2015 #17
You know, it's been my experience when someone resorts to personal attacks (basically inferring that Skwmom Aug 2015 #21
I don't know you personally and I'm not speaking to that bigtree Aug 2015 #22
Amazing how they've tried to turn conspiracy into a dirty word. Skwmom Aug 2015 #23
Exactly. n/t FSogol Aug 2015 #15

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
4. He fought for the public option, but it didn't get through congress.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:36 PM
Aug 2015

Obviously, nobody's platform is going to get through congress unscathed.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
7. He didn't fight
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:09 PM
Aug 2015

I distinctly remember him deciding to stay out of it and letting Congress fight it out.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
6. He took Single-payer "off the table"
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:08 PM
Aug 2015

He never even considered universal health care or Medicare for all.

That's why we're all now stuck with paying ever-higher prices to private insurers and big pharma. Obama didn't bring the A game to health care that he brought to TPP and stuck us with what Wall Street wanted. And this is what gives the GOP leverage to continually go after it.

FSogol

(45,504 posts)
2. Easy to say, but what if you had a candidate who actually brought his plans to fruition while he was
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:31 PM
Aug 2015

Governor?

For people unaware of O'Malley, here's his resume:

http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/08conoff/gov/former/html/msa13090.html

The bottom quarter is good reading on O'Malley's positions and what he accomplished in Maryland.
A former Governing Magazine “Public Official of the Year,” Governor O’Malley was re-elected in 2010. His 2013 legislative successes were described in a Baltimore Sun editorial as “without many parallels in recent Maryland history.”

With a balanced approach of spending cuts, regulatory reform, and modern investment in education, innovation, and infrastructure, Governor O’Malley and his Administration are making better choices that are delivering better results, including:

Fastest rate of job growth in the region.
#1 ranking for best public schools in America for an unprecedented five years in a row (Education Week).
#1 ranking for holding down the cost of college tuition (College Board).
#1 ranking for innovation and entrepreneurship for two years running (U.S. Chamber of Commerce).

Under the Governor’s leadership, Maryland also ranks:

#1 nationally in median income,
#1 in Ph.D. scientists and researchers per capita,
#1 in Research and Development, and
#1 in businesses owned by women.


Called “arguably the best manager in government” by Washington Monthly magazine, Governor O’Malley has cut State spending more than any previous governor in Maryland’s history, balancing these record cuts with targeted, modern investments in priorities like public education. He has reduced the size of government to its smallest size since 1973 (on a per capita basis) and reformed how it is managed, so that it works more efficiently and accountably. His actions to save Maryland’s State pension system have made it sustainable over the long term. His fiscal stewardship has nearly eliminated Maryland’s structural deficit. His efforts to streamline, consolidate and digitize processes like business licensing are making Maryland a better place to do business.



PS, part of a public informational archive and not bound by copyright.

The O’Malley-Brown Administration has expanded health care to more than 380,000 previously uninsured Marylanders. It has reduced infant mortality to an historic low, and provided meals to thousands of hungry children as it moves forward toward its goal for eradicating childhood hunger.

The Governor’s policies have made strides in restoring the health of the Chesapeake Bay and saving the Bay’s native blue crab and oyster populations.

The O’Malley Administration has secured millions of dollars in rate relief for Maryland energy consumers while jump-starting the creation of thousands of green energy sector jobs. Under Governor O’Malley’s leadership, Maryland led the charge for the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), the nation’s first cap-and-trade auction of greenhouse emissions.

Governor O’Malley has cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders and reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive. In addition, he signed the nation’s first statewide living wage law, along with some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Declaring that Marylanders are bound together by “the common thread of human dignity,” Governor O’Malley signed legislation to protect individual civil marriage rights and religious freedom, along with legislation to protect voting rights. He signed – and successfully defended at the ballot box – the DREAM Act, which expands the opportunity of a college education to more Marylanders.


Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
5. Sorry, but I can't shake the feeling that O'Malley is the backup plan in case Clinton fails
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:04 PM
Aug 2015

or the created "progressive" candidate she will put on the ticket to appease the non corporate wing of the Democratic Party.

My motto: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

But hey, if you want to support him, have at it.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
16. I guess we've never had a candidate espouse a progressive message while running, only to
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:27 PM
Aug 2015

do the exact opposite once they are elected. What a far out ridiculous thought that is.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
19. you mean like Sanders railing against Lockheed
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:34 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:34 PM - Edit history (1)

...and then lobby for the Lockheed boondogle F-35 in his state?

FSogol

(45,504 posts)
13. Created progressive? So, Maryland was an early adopter for marriage equality, passed
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:20 PM
Aug 2015

anti-discrimination laws to protect transgender citizens, and ended the death penalty just to help HRC get elected in some future election?

x ?

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
14. all this time, we've been told by Sanders supporters that his record matters
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:21 PM
Aug 2015

...now this poster not only wants to tell us records and campaign plans don't matter, but we should just take Candidates on faith - no, not ALL candidates, just Bernie Sanders.

Thanks for the summary mention of his actual record of progressive accomplishments. Actual actions to back up his rhetoric, actual plans and solutions offered to back up his words in this campaign. That's how candidates who intend to be held accountable for their campaign promises appeal to voters.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
18. Sander's long record does matter because it SUPPORTS what he says. I don't find myself
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:31 PM
Aug 2015

wondering if he really means what he's saying or he's just telling me what he thinks I want to hear.

I clearly stated that I find campaign plans meaningless.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
8. pretty much a slam on your own candidate
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:10 PM
Aug 2015

...who updated his website with his 'Racial Justice' plan yesterday.

Bernie Sanders must not "feel that way."

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
12. No. It is not. I don't need a plan to see that Bernie will do the right thing and NO amount of
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:19 PM
Aug 2015

plans from other candidates will get me to believe that they mean what is written.

Actions speak louder then words. While words are important, you need actions to back them up. The only candidate who meets that requirement is Bernie.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
17. that has to be the most dirt dumb reasoning I've heard in support of your candidate yet
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:29 PM
Aug 2015

Trust-based politics is an invitation to prevarication and compromise on our demands.

If it's 'actions' you want, choosing a politician who's been politicking from Washington for decades over someone who has actually implemented many of the progressive ideals endlessly talked about in Congress to little actual result is a strange way to go.

O'Malley has a far more extensive record in office than Sanders (including as Mayor to Sander's term in that position) of successfully ACTING on the progressive issues he advocates; making real lives better and not just shouting about them from a podium.

True that your candidate has name recognition in this campaign from his years entrenched in Washington politics. That's not something I'd think would distinguish him, given the inability of D.C. politicians to make good on their rhetoric.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
21. You know, it's been my experience when someone resorts to personal attacks (basically inferring that
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:37 PM
Aug 2015

I am as dumb as dirt) that I've hit the nail on the head (which is why I don't mind such comments).


bigtree

(86,005 posts)
22. I don't know you personally and I'm not speaking to that
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:40 PM
Aug 2015

...but this is dirt-dumb reasoning and truly wacky, combined with your conspiracy theory about O'Malley working for Clinton.

It's your stage, though. You set the scene. You live with it.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
23. Amazing how they've tried to turn conspiracy into a dirty word.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:45 PM
Aug 2015

Ever heard of Enron, the Eugenics Movement, or conspiracy to commit any number of crimes?

I didn't say O'Malley worked for Clinton. I suggest you reread my post.
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