2016 Postmortem
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?14391805925Bernie will wipe the floor with any one of the Corporate tools from the Republican Party in the GE.
It's the Progressive Message people are responding to.
AND his focus on the corrosive, corrupting effects of money in politics.
We WERE told that a Progressive Message 'won't sell'! We were misled as polls contradict that across the political spectrum.
He is shattering all the myths we have been fed for so long, including that you CANNOT run a a good campaign WITHOUT Corporate billions.
artislife
(9,497 posts)but I really would like to know how many of those 28,000 have answered a poll.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)we are seeing are not including all the non-voters who are supporting Bernie, but haven't registered anywhere yet, the Independents, the Repubs and there are some of those, Left Leaning Libertarians. Those polls only reflect the base of the party.
However, Bernie doesn't much care about polls, he has spent 0 on polls while Hillary's campaign has spent nearly one million.
I think he wants to keep it all focused on the issues and not bother people with polls etc at this point.
But I do wonder how many of the people at all these events are Dems. Good question.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Giving people information on caucuses!
I am sure Portland is doing the same or more!
I can't wait to see the numbers tomorrow. My brother and his girlfriend are even far more left than I am and they are excited to be going!
The work in immigration, helping people stay.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)are going. They live in LA.
I am up in Seattle.
TM99
(8,352 posts)A close friends daughter that I have know since she was a girl stays in touch with me every few months. She is a sex-worker, back-up singer, and a CoS Satanist. She is about as apolitical as they come. So she called me this weekend for our usual chat. She is psyched about Sanders and invited us to stay with her & to attend his event there in LA. Frankly, I was rather flabbergasted!
So hopefully we will be there! Can't wait!
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Washington(just across the Columbia)has caucuses in March. I think a lot of SW Washington folks may have turned up in PDX tonight-it's a much shorter trip for them than Seattle is.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)No doubt there were quite a few from Vancouver area.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... I saw a couple of friends with a couple of piles of them.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)not realize they can't wait until election day to vote for Bernie. Good to GOTV right now.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)So much for that mushy center. People who insist on standing in the middle of the road eventually get run over.
Suich
(10,642 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)Portland set the record tonight. Including the 9,000 who couldnt get in the doors, an astonishing 28,000 people showed up for our rally. We began this campaign all of three and a half months ago and the momentum has been nothing less than extraordinary. This campaign is sending a message to the billionaire class: Yes we do have the guts to take you on! They may have unlimited sums of money, but we have a united people.
https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders
Some more pictures here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128035030
Suich
(10,642 posts)I missed the earlier post...you guys done good!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)reported, but I'm not sure this was Portland after reading the text on the side. I think it must be though, as this was the biggest crowd so far.
Great links, thanks, I love the photos in that link.
I have to admit when Bernie said he would need a political revolution even if he won, I was skeptical that people would show up. These numbers are amazing, even in Texas and Az they had to move to bigger venues. It shows how starved people are to hear someone talk about the issues they want to talk about and how ANGRY they are at the way things are.
One thing he frequently says and I agree, this isn't about him, and we should remember that. The FIRST step to getting ANYTHING done is to get the money out of politics because until we do that, nothing else can be done.'
If his campaign does nothing more than make this the #1 issue in this race, the country will have taken the first major step towards the BEGINNING of reversing the course we are now so disastrously on.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)I agree with you about people being angry and starved to talk about the issues that matter to us but I think there's another very important thing- he's forthright in an age of duplicity, complicity and lip service for votes. And you're right, he's right. It's not about him- it's about us. Make it November already lol!
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... and were telling people that they were getting close to capacity at that point. There were still HUGE lines that were stretched out for blocks at that point.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I'm envious, hoping there will be some events in NY within a few hours drive of where we are soon. I was surprised though to see so many groups upstate participating in the video meetups. This is a fairly conservative part of NY so didn't expect to see much support, or even knowledge of who Bernie is. But contrary to that, there were several groups who are now working to get the word out to more people up here.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I was online...and I've been pointing out that even pdxdavid, who was in South Korea was watching!
I seriously think it was even more than 10,000 because of multiple feeds.
Go BERNIE!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)movements supporting Bernie's campaign. As it grows and grows. They are very active and worked hard to get the word out that Bernie, who supports their cause, was coming to town!
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... right behind him as he was speaking, and was advocating a decent national minimum wage too. A definite utube moment!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)who publicly supports the $15 min wage. Hillary apparently will only go to $12 and that after remaining silent on the issue for so long.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)going by that first picture. That is embarrassing. Though I know they are all running in order to collect some corporate money.
Uncle Joe
(58,386 posts)Thanks for the thread, sabrina.
dougolat
(716 posts)And, like Occupy, he will get Rovian dirty tricks and Koch-fiend interference, that serve to give the owned media a way to talk about Bernie without dealing with that powerful message, don't you think?
brooklynite
(94,667 posts)...but the comparison to the Junior Varsity debate is inappropriate. FOX NEWS, for whatever reason, didn't open the area to viewers (the people in the audience are network and campaign reps). I have no doubt they would have filled the area to the same level as the 9 PM program.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)GO BERNIE!
brooklynite
(94,667 posts)...while certainly NOT as popular as Bernie's rallies, there certainly was a higher interest in the early forum than was reflected in the seated attendees. In particular, consider the interest in Carly Fiorina.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)GO BERNIE!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)they were the leas -likely-to-win candidates, had it been opened up to the public, it's safe to say the numbers would have been less than the numbers for the top candidates.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)possible they didn't open it up knowing what a dismal showing there would be. These morons know they don't have a chance, but are just cashing in on the Corporate donations they will probably get from their real bosses.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)If political candidates went 200 mph and crashed into walls every now and then, they get even larger crowds.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Why are Hillary supporters so focused on polls? Bernie doesn't care about them, he doesn't look at polls to find out what it might 'politically safe' to say.
His campaign in signing up Independents and non-voters, none of whom are going to be reflected in this polls, but when they are, some people are going to be pretty shocked.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)1) Look at the mushrooming polls for Donald Trump
2) That exactly why more debates are needed-- and sooner. People should get a chance to hear and see Sanders, Clinton, O'Malley and (I guess) Webb and Chaffee, and be able to make informed choices with greater knowledge of who they all are.
Fine. If Clinton holds her own and maintains strong support after that, at least one reason would be knowledge of the candidates and what they stand for, rather than name recognition and Conventional Wisdom memes dispensed by the elite status quo.
2naSalit
(86,715 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)2naSalit
(86,715 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the chances of you being asked for opinion are pretty slim. While pollsters have finally acknowledged the importance of the change in how people communicate, they are still far behind those changes.
I'm waiting to see polls of Independents without landlines, most of the younger generation, eg. I eg, will not be getting polled. My MIL was polled all the time on her landline, not her cell phone as she is a longtime registered Dem.
So these polls mean nothing, other than Hillary's numbers if we believe the week by week polls we saw on DU when no one else was in the race, have dropped several points, Bernie's are trending upward.
He is within 4 points of Hillary now in NH eg. But as I said, the first step for his campaign to get some name recognition, no one is going to vote for someone in a poll if they never heard of them before.
He is doing a fantastic job of that first step and isn't worrying about polls.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Is getting all these people registered to vote and turning them out.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)campaign workers are handing out voter registration forms with info on their states primary rules.
procon
(15,805 posts)Remember, the GOP circus sponsored two separate debates. The first was the kiddie table and that show was not open to the public, but only friends and family of candidates, staff and the press corps were allowed to attend. A lot of media commenters wrote this empty stadium story as if it applied to the main event.
The second show was the prime time debate featuring their Fox-picked frontrunners and the audience was seated to fill the stadium. But here's the takeaway to keep in mind, regardless of how many thousands of people were sitting in that audience, another 24 MILLION viewers were watching the Republicans -- not the Dems -- spout their propaganda on TV.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)not just in polls, but in crowds that don't just sit in front of their Teevees but show up in person to hear him speak.
One very embarrassing statistic for Faux and its supposed influence, Bernie drew 4 TIMES the number of people to the exact same stadium where Rubia made his announcement to run.
So I guess all those millions of viewers are not getting off their couches to actually do anything to try to BEAT BERNIE SANDERS who is burying them EVEN IN RED STATES.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Sanders can challenge the nation to do better for those who've been left behind. It seems pretty clear to me that if we want that, we need to pick the person who shows the ability to excite the electorate into voting for it.
We need a fairly broad mandate, not just something that's mostly a grudging "lesser of two evils" that carries the day.
HappyPlace
(568 posts)We know, however, that it will probably be heavily controlled.
grrrrr.