2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumScrew the Dem establishment. The candidates should boycott the DNC debates.
You know, maybe it'd be a good idea for for all four of Hillary's primary opponents to band together and boycott the DNC debates. The four candidates (Bernie Sanders, Martin O'Malley, Jim Webb, and Lincoln Chafee) could schedule their own debate this month and invite Hillary Clinton. She can either decline or accept. If she accepts (which she might under such pressure from all four rivals), it'll open the door to all sorts of debates. CNN, MSNBC, and a whole spate of media outlets would love to host some, as they did in 2007 and 2008. The DNC then can't enforce its nonsensical "no outside party debate" rule on all five candidates, so the penalty is moot and forgotten.
Now, if Hillary declines in the invitation, that means she'd stand alone on the stage in the DNC debates for two hours once a month, which she wouldn't want to to do: it'd embarrass her own campaign, and the networks wouldn't go for it. Or she could refuse to debate her primary opponents altogether, which would make her look bad.
The primary schedule set by the DNC this election cycle is bullshit. In the 2007-08 cycle, there were 26 Democratic primary debates with 17 of them happening in 2007, and beginning in late April of 2007. By comparison, there are just 6 debates planned this cycle with only 3 of them happening this year. The first one is scheduled for October 13th. And the DNC has a new rule that says candidates can't participate in debates outside the DNC-sanctioned process or they will be banned from future DNC debates.
(In 2007, 2008, there were also 6 official DNC debates, but there was no exclusivity clause, allowing the candidates to have 20 non-DNC sanctioned debates). It's not the 6 official debates that are the problem, it's the new rule by the DNC that if you participate in an outside debate (hosted by CNN, Youtube, the AFL-CIO, Univision, NPR, etc.), then you'll be sanctioned and can't participate in the official DNC debates.
All of this is clearly done to benefit Hillary Clinton, since she is the establishment's favorite candidate: her campaign waned even fewer debates than six (O'Malley and Sanders wanted more), and the few debates plus the ban limits the media exposure and publicity her primary challengers could receive from earlier and more debates.
It's funny, because the Democratic Party implored us to tune into the GOP debate happening tonight, yet they announced that the first Democratic Party debate is happening over two months from today. This sends a really bad message. What they're saying is, "the Republican debates are more important than the Democratic debates, and they're so exciting that even we recommend tuning in."
I think that this is bullshit, and fuck the Democratic Party establishment. DNC Chariwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz is a Hillary shill, having co-chaired Clinton's national campaign in 2007. And the DNC's finance chairman is supposed to be "impartial," but he's been raising money for Hillary Clinton. So clearly, the DNC is playing favoritism and trying to boost up Hillary while marginalizing her primary opponents, especially Bernie Sanders who has increasingly become threatening to her. And to add insult to injury, the first scheduled DNC debate is AFTER New York's deadline to register as a Democrat for the primaries. I can't imagine any other reason for this than to benefit Hillary.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)and this recently released schedule, it's so painfully obvious what they are trying to get away with. DWS is shameful.
I like your idea, I wonder how it would pan out if implemented.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)It promises to be hilarious!
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)But coming from the head of the DNC to 'Can we count on you to tune in?' is just terrible.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=495489
the above thread says it all.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I am not a fan of Rep Wasserman-Schultz.
But I will be watching the "debate!"
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Can we count on you to show support or vote for our candidate, attend a rally, volunteer your time etc. All of those are fine by me. Asking us to watch the Republicans debate to see how insane they are and then release a shitty debate schedule with the first one set in October is not cool.
Not cool.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)They've already said there will be penalties for candidates who attend other debates, and Bernie certainly doesn't need to be stripped of delegates for something like that.
Yes, the current setup is blatantly partisan, but they'll use any attempt to get around it to screw over the 'non-Hillary' candidates even more.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)The timing couldn't be better from the DNC though - with tonight's circus the media probably won't even mention the schedule.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)the debate scheme.
This indeed is getting traction and the blowback should be interesting...
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)That is good to hear.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)newscast.
Here is to hoping!!!
techzilla
(4 posts)We need to also consider the place in which the DNC is at right now...
Presently all party investors, and their insiders in the vast majority of leadership roles, 100% are behind Hillary. The DNC's main interest is to win, and not just to win, but win representing the established interests. IN fact they'd rather lose serving those interests, than lose fighting for our interests, their foux claims otherwise are insulting. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has always been an establishment hack, that can be bought, sold, and traded. The perfect leader for such a monstrous creation, one who can be trusted to NEVER have an ethical problem doing what they need done.
In addition, the purpose of the primary is to settle disagreement among the respective interests. Their is no disagreements, thus their is no actual reason for the primary. The only reason they are having debates at all, is because they frankly would be too exposed if they canceled, and the base would revolt.
IT's also to prep Hillary for a republican pounding, so if she can't handle a few less brutal debates, the interests will know they need to grab Joe early.
Finally we need to talk about the elephant in the room, Bernie knows that it's not even a reasonable compromise to place party above convictions, especially when today that means actively supporting neo-liberalism. This is why he's an independent, and another reason why he gets even less respect from the DNC.
What we should always talk about though, Is our immediate needs to revolution against an illegitimate system. We need to bring democracy to America.
Love Bern though, I'm still way left of him, but he's no question worth supporting.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Fine post.
artislife
(9,497 posts)standing behind H and saying "But it is our turn!" with their hopes of appointments and sitting at the table of power dancing in their heads.
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)Should the four candidates start their own debate and the DNC sanction them, it would create an adverse dynamic in an already uphill fight in getting super-delegate endorsements.
Thanks for the thread, gobears.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Bernie will make the points, live, up close and personal that will expose her neoliberal oligarch agenda to the world.
The very reason the DNC is putting off and limiting debate is because they don't want Hillary to have to debate Bernie. Bernie fully understands this.
The world needs to see Bernie debate Hillary Clinton, and see him expose her anti-democratic agenda for what it is. Unfortunately, the DNC is going to tightly control the few debates they will have, so that Clinton will sustain as little damage as possible from being confronted by facts and truth. Hopefully, Bernie will be able to drill through DNC debate obstructions and do what he needs to do to take Clinton out of race for good.
The whole world needs to see Bernie Sanders debate Hillary Clinton.