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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 11:16 AM Aug 2015

What Bernie Sanders’s rise means for American politics--

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What Bernie Sanders’s rise means for American politics

By E.J. Dionne Jr.

The exhaustive and exhausting analysis of the Fox News debate promises to produce days more of Trump-mania. It’s thus an excellent time to ponder the other big surprise of the 2016 campaign: the Democrats’ extended Weekend at Bernie’s.

No one is more amazed about the buoyancy of his presidential candidacy than Bernie Sanders himself, which only adds to its charm. The Vermont independent and proud democratic socialist got into the race mainly to remind the country what a progressive agenda actually looks like. You can’t keep calling President Obama a socialist once you are confronted with the real thing.

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Is Sanders’s ascent about Clinton’s problems? The evidence is mixed. In the WMUR poll, 73 percent of New Hampshire Democrats had a favorable view of Clinton; Sanders’s favorability was at 69?percent. A fair share of Bernie’s people like Hillary, too. But when asked about specific personal qualities, the poll’s respondents presented Clinton with a to-do list. Clinton was far ahead of Sanders as a strong leader, as having the best chance of winning in November and as having the right experience to be president. But Sanders led as the most likable and most progressive. And when asked who was the “least honest,” 31 percent picked Clinton; only 3 percent picked Sanders. Washington punditry exaggerates Clinton’s problems, but her campaign should not underestimate them.

The ideological claims are more complicated. It’s true that Democrats — and not only Democrats — are far more aggressive in their opposition to economic inequality than they were, say, in the 1990s. But that’s because the problems of inequality, blocked mobility and wage stagnation are now more severe. And anybody who doubts that the super rich have gained even more power in the political system isn’t following the super PAC news. Sanders is marshaling these discontents.

On the other hand, Democrats have not changed nearly as much ideologically as conservatives claim. In 2008, according to numbers the Pew Research Center ran at my request, 34 percent of Democrats called themselves liberal, 37?percent called themselves moderate, and 24 percent called themselves conservative. In 2015, 41 percent were liberal, 35 percent were moderate, and 21?percent were conservative. Is there an uptick in Democratic liberalism? Yes. Has the party shifted sharply leftward? No.

As for alienation from the system, Trump and Sanders do speak to a disaffection that currently roils most of the world’s democracies. But their way of doing it is so radically different — Sanders resolutely programmatic, Trump all about feelings, affect and showmanship — that they cannot easily be subsumed as part of the same phenomenon. Sanders’s candidacy will leave behind policy markers and arguments about the future. Trump’s legacy will be almost entirely about himself, which is probably fine with him.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/weekend-at-bernies/2015/08/05/64c67582-3ba6-11e5-9c2d-ed991d848c48_story.html

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What Bernie Sanders’s rise means for American politics-- (Original Post) KoKo Aug 2015 OP
Left and right HassleCat Aug 2015 #1
"too much of a distraction..."? daleanime Aug 2015 #2
Not at all. kenfrequed Aug 2015 #3
Elected Democrats in DC do not begin to represent the people ... Scuba Aug 2015 #4
+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #6
+1. Reality that must change, eg debate stall antics of DWS who is being contacted, lol. appalachiablue Aug 2015 #5
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Left and right
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 11:25 AM
Aug 2015

Democrats who favor socialism are not necessarily more "left leaning" than those who identify themselves as liberals. A lot of this left vs. right stuff hinges on particular social issues, what Ralph Nader called "gonadal issues." Liberals sometimes look askance at socialists for not paying enough attention to LGBT, abortion, feminism, animal rights, pornography, etc. Socialists believe these issues can be too much of a distraction from economic justice, which should be the primary focus. Democratic socialists are often liberals, but tend to line up more as progressives, less concerned with supporting the entire slate of liberal issues, and more concerned about economics, income inequality, quality of life, etc. This gives us a clue as to why Sanders is not tough enough on gun control, according to many liberals.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
2. "too much of a distraction..."?
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 11:42 AM
Aug 2015

No, both very necessary. But both influence each other. Trying to solve one before dealing with the other would be like trying to pump out your basement before shutting off the water.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
3. Not at all.
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 11:44 AM
Aug 2015

We can have both. Bernie was a democratic socialist that has had an adamant record on LGBT issues, abortion rights, femininism, etc. He didn't have to evolve.

Most socialists I know are similarly minded.


We can have both.

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