2016 Postmortem
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A woman who has been a United States Senator, the Secretary of State and a candidate for President of the United States and will, I believe will be elected President of the United States.....does not have or need 'handlers' to tell her what to say, what to think and what her opinion is on a subject.
FYI, women have their own minds and can think for themselves. We don't need handlers. Deal with it.
canuck eh
(22 posts)but she does have 200+ advisers and focus groups to run ideas through..
"President and Secretary Clinton are the most colossal, prolific fundraising couple in the history of representative democracies."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-omalley-dems-need-more-than-six-debates-20150805-story.html
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)200+ advisers? I think you mean campaign staff.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,986 posts)Hoppy
(3,595 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and I still cannot figure out how have 200+ advisors is a bad thing. I, actually, LIKE the idea that a politician has 200+ advisors, each an expert in their own corner of the intellectual universe ... but than, I also believe more information/ideas/research leads to better identification/recognition of issues and better solutions than relying on "my passionate and deeply held belief" of what the issue(s) and solution(s) is(are).
I've, also, heard the focus group critique and it being connected to "weather-vaning" policy positions ... and that has me puzzled as well: first, because it expresses a lack of understanding of focus grouping; and, relatedly and more importantly, I would think that in a representative style of government that we have, we would welcome the idea of someone that is to represent Mr. & Ms. We D. People, actually running his/her ideas regarding the issues they think we care about and their menu of solutions, past Mr. & Ms. We D. People.
What am I missing?
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Getting advice from experts in their field is wrong. Having focus groups to see what issues matter most to Americans and how they want those issues addressed is wrong. Having the ability to raise enough money to take on the GOP is wrong. Being organized is wrong. Having fellow Democrats that are familiar with you and have a pretty good idea of how well you perform at your job as a Senator and a Secretary of State and endorse you is wrong.
The right way is to not be a Democrat and have a revolution to overthrow the Democratic party.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Sun Tzi (and Karl Rove) would be proud how "internet operatives" are arguing strengths are actually weaknesses/faults.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)They have learned and evolved into a new species it would seem.
AllFieldsRequired
(489 posts)I dont know why having 200 advisors is a bad thing and I do believe Hillary Clinton is one of the smartest, sharpest women on the planet.
I may not like her position or lack thereof on some stuff, but nobody needs to tell her how to think or what to think.
Now, she is a politician so finger in the wind is inevitable.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It's the whos and what is done with it that makes the difference.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Still waiting for those opinions though.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I don't appreciate being told that it's her turn or that we'll flock to Hillary because of her gender, it's insulting and sexist as hell.
I had to fight for my seat in the old boy's club and so should she, you don't get extra points from me just for being a woman.
Deal with that.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)will be to abolish the Cabinet?
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)That is why I support Bernie 100% !!!
FSogol
(45,488 posts)handle the people the VIP might come in contact with. Not vice versa like you imply. Of course there are exceptions for extremely immature celebs or athletes and then the handler is just there to keep them out of trouble.
fbc
(1,668 posts)You are right.
Hillary shouldn't need handlers to tell her what her positions are.
The problem is that she does.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)OK.
fbc
(1,668 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She was against it before she was for it.
"Women's rights are human rights" according to Hillary, but she believed that some women were more equal than others when she said that.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It's just a different variation of the Telepromter.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)However, your opinion on the matter won't have the tendency to budge reality by even an inch. Gender? That has nothing to do with this.
ismnotwasm
(41,986 posts)Reading though, folks apparently actual believe Hillary has not fought her way through "The good 'ol boys club", cannot make decisions, had "handlers" who choreograph her every move.
For starters.
Yet some of these same folks hold her personally responsible for any number of political decisions and consequences.
I guess it depends on what makes her appear worse from day to day. No real continuity. Or, in some cases rationality.
Interesting
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)How does this become a gender issue?
BooScout
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