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was just interviewed. The host read Clinton's statement on racism and income equality. The BLM representative said that he thought Bernie was espousing phony rhetoric (can't recall the exact words but they were pretty harsh).
You know, if I didn't know better, I would really think that the Clinton Camp and the BLM group are reading from the same script.
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mcar
(42,331 posts)Just liked what HRC had to say better. 
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I'm not sure where she stands. And I've been following her for years and years.
Bernie, stands for equality everywhere for everybody.
840high
(17,196 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)And that she kinda liked bombs being dropped in more than a few places, so now I'm wondering how she really feels about people who are not white.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"so now I'm wondering how she really feels about people who are not white."
Careful with that petard... it can hoist in unexpected directions.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... you are suspect.
Period.
mcar
(42,331 posts)The Clinton Rules expanded to supporters.
A fellow Keystone stater here. 
Born and raised in PA. Now living in FL 
fbc
(1,668 posts)Religious supporters that don't lose faith despite the actual results.
sorry, couldn't resist when I saw your avatar. 
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)I wonder if one of HRC's biggest supporters, George Soros, is smiling ear to ear right about now. Exclamation point?
http://sputniknews.com/us/20150703/1024144913.html
billymayshere
(94 posts)Pretty obvious eh? Must Support Nobody But Clinton
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Cable "news" is nothing but one massive manipulation machine.
appalachiablue
(41,132 posts)
PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)some say follow what's phony about the message;
others say follow the money behind the other message.
Isn't it the underlying message that counts.
HFRN
(1,469 posts)
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Falling all over themselves (kind of a negative ). Hats off to the strategists of BLM....hmmmm. I wonder who the strategists are.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It reminds of the old yarn that southern blacks in the Jim Crow south were happy with this lot until northern agitators got their ears.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Though I was thinking of a slightly different yarn ... to the same effect.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts) 1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)
murielm99
(30,741 posts)They had the nerve to be positive about Clinton. I would not matter if some BLM members actually supported the Independent. They were positive about Clinton.
All the best people are under the bus these days. There is beer and wine and music. I like the blues. Do you?
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... under the bus a few days ago. It's really, really crowded under there - but considering who's there, it's where you wanna be!
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Maybe that's why Hillary's only showing up to $3000-per-head fundraisers at private homes?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)In open forums.
Here ya go.......ask me a question but it MUST be one these specific questions on this sheet, then kindly sit your butt down somewhere.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)How could I have forgotten the most important part?!
oasis
(49,387 posts)You're not helping.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)I am NOT against #blacklivesmatter! !
My husband was stopped in New Jersey a few weeks ago, at around 4am. He was trying to get a headstart on Washington traffic on 95.
He called me at 4:30 saying cops pulled him over with some made up bullshit. But you see, his mistake was driving
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DO YOU OR ANYONE HERE REALIZE HOW FUCKING TERRIFYING THAT IS?! 4 cop cars. 1 65 yo black man, in the middle of the night calling ME to let me know he got stopped for some bullshit reason and me being 500 miles away and completely powerless to help him.
Just imagine that shit for a moment.
#blacklivesmatter!!
All of these politicians need to get down and dirty with racial injustice, including HRC.
oasis
(49,387 posts)Sorry for your recent trouble with the racist cops. To be honest, I have always liked Bernie and admired his stand against economic inequality. It is truly the root cause of America's downward spiral.
You will never see a post of mine criticize anything he stands for. My support for Hillary is for an entirely different reason. The Supreme Court.
I do have appreciation for both Clintons and the POSITIVE contributions they have made over the years. So it's not hard for me to support Hill, although I'm more of a lefty.
Thanks for taking the time to clarify your post.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Make it so difficult to communicate for some of us. I'm a let's sit down and have a coffee or lunch kind of person who enjoys reading people while showing family photos as we chat.
and 
Stardust
(3,894 posts)And I know my words sound hollow but they are all I have. I truly hope that he wasn't harassed beyond the traffic stop, although that in itself was outrageous.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)I wish more here would too.
It was outrageous. I've been with hubby for 30 years, he's my best friend and soul mate, we raised two great kids, mourned the losses loved ones together, he worked hard his entire life and is kind, gentle, funny, honest and everything a person would want in a life mate and to even think that he may not come home to me because of some trigger happy yahoos would have destroyed me.
He told me how he asked permission everytime he had to reach for something, asked if he could open the door to pop the trunk and get his ID, glovebox to get registration and insurance, was careful not even wipe his face. My husband was reduced to saying "yes massa" that's how it came off to me.
My Jesus it has to stop!
It ended well. They ran all their checks and left him in peace although he got stuck in the very traffic he tried to avoid but he came home just the way he left and I was and am thankful.
Too many don't have the same result and that really, really bothers me. We all have to do better.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)When I was a child, I was lucky enough to become familiar with the The Rogers and Hamerstein musical "South Pacific.". My parents had a copy of the soundtrack and I listened to it endlessly. One of the songs that really resonated with me was "You've Got To Be Carefully Taught”:
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!
It was one of those truths that left an enormous impression on my young mind.
So, I'm suggesting that we incorporate anti-bigotry classes into our school curriculum from a very young age and thoughout their secondary education. There are so many ways to teach the basic principle that judging someone by the amount of pigment is in their skin is unacceptable and ridiculous in its face. There are certainly lots of reason to judge others, but that is not one of them. Hopefully, most children will have a similar epiphany that I had, that will influence them throughout their lives.
Since law enforcement officers have already developed their prejudices, then they should participate in a 40-hour, at least, course in overcoming racism before being allowed to interact with the general public.
Just my two cents, but it's a start.
Chemisse
(30,811 posts)With all this Dem infighting about which candidate is most BLM-friendly, etc, the important issue at stake is being kicked to the side.
The division really dismays me.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Do you just want her to have equal time?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)You know, to remind them that black voters cannot be taken for granted?
has that changed?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)HRC was quicker to pull the corrective trigger. Why go after someone whose message you agree with?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)So what the fuck was all that even about then?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)perhaps it is a Bernie campaign messaging problem? 
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But the likely take away for DU is ... O'Malley, HRC and BLM are all in cahoots!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Fact is though they haven't confronted Clinton at all. Despite proclamations that they would do so.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)In order to remind all of the democrats that black votes cannot be taken for granted. Up to and including "shutting down the debates."
So far though, only Sanders and O'Malley - second and fourth-place, respectively (seriously, how is Webb ahead of O'Malley?) - have caught such hassle from Black Lives Matter.
I want to know what's up with that. Is BLM going to follow through with what they said they would do? Are they simply unable for some reason (I imagine those $2,700-per-head events might be a hurdle)? Is Patrisse Cullors just full of shit?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)so maybe that's why no Hillary events
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They would never be allowed in. Doesn't fit the script.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Bernie does exactly what they demand, yet they still attack him - and support the candidate who takes money from the prison industry.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)
ram2008
(1,238 posts)First float the trial balloon of Bernie not addressing racism, even though he has multiple times. Then have your surrogates on TV doing the hard work selling your factually incorrect bullshit.
As her numbers go down, expect the dirty politics to come stronger.
HFRN
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she was a cute kid, I'll give her that
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stevenleser
(32,886 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
William769
(55,147 posts)And this has been much more recent than 50 years ago.
Ball's in your court.
progressoid
(49,990 posts)SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)And voted FOR the PLCAA that gave gun manufacturers special immunity.
Your links are hard to navigate. It is not readily apparent by clicking on them what Sanders' rating is.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But Hillary supporters won't let measly facts get in the way of a good meme.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)WASHINGTON, April 17 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today voted for expanded background checks on gun buyers and for a ban on assault weapons but the Senate rejected those central planks of legislation inspired by the shootings of 20 first-grade students and six teachers in Newtown, Conn.
“Nobody believes that gun control by itself is going to end the horrors we have seen in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., Tucson, Ariz. and other American communities,” Sanders said. “There is a growing consensus, however, in Vermont and across America that we have got to do as much as we can to end the cold-blooded, mass murders of innocent people. I believe very strongly that we also have got to address the mental health crisis in our country and make certain that help is available for people who may be a danger to themselves and others,” Sanders added.
The amendment on expanded background checks needed 60 votes to pass but only 54 senators voted for it. “To my mind it makes common sense to keep these weapons out of the hands of people with criminal records or mental health histories,” Sanders said.
Under current federal law, background checks are not performed for tens of thousands of sales – up to 40 percent of all gun transfers – at gun shows or over the Internet. The amendment would have required background checks for all gun sales in commercial settings regardless of whether the seller is a licensed dealer. The compromise proposal would have exempted sales between “family, friends, and neighbors.”
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-for-background-checks-assault-weapons-ban
mark.
Sid
hfrn
bravenak
(34,648 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)It's just sad to me how BLM is being made into a mouthpiece for the
3rd-Way candidate who cheered on Bill's "Welfare Reform" and "tough
on crime" policies that has packed our prisons with millions of blacks
with excessive sentences for minor crimes.
MLK must be turning over in his grave over this one.
And they're doing it to trash someone with a 100% NAACP rating,
and who's been consistently fighting for racial equality for 50 years.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)doesn't mean that their leadership can't be bought and their message co-opted.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Who knows exactly what-all went on behind the scenes to distort the
narrative about what happened at Netroots, and then use it to
wrongly trash Sanders as 'racist' ??.. but I do expect these
details to find the light of day, eventually ... but unfortunately it
may be too late to fully undo the damage its doing to the candidate
with --- by far -- the best record on civil rights.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)1. There was no ulterior motive - the Netroots Nation protest was sincere
2. BLM was operating as a monkey-wrenching agent of the Clinton Campaign
3. BLM supports Clinton and staged the protest to attack Sanders and O'Malley without the campaign's knowledge.
I cannot say which of these is the actual case, because as you say it can't be proven (yet). However, consider the other evidence:
* The collusion of Markos Moulitsas, NN's founder and steadfast Hillary surrogate, in staging the ambush.
* Hillary's convenient absence at the event, especially given that Moulitsas knew ahead of time that the protest was happening. "Did Hillary know before hand as well?" is a question well worth asking.
* The media, which normally ignores Netroots Nation, BLM and Sanders, somehow was all over it this time.
* BLM's subsequent actions have all been pro-Hillary, anti-Sanders with little or no mention of O'Malley.
Those things combined tell me that option #1 is very unlikely.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)And thank you for the tidbits .. very interesting indeed. i'm copying/pasting
to save for later reference.
On edit: I think gobear10 has already written it on DU, here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=493643
But it needs more of the kind of details you are pointing to, the behind the scenes stuff
you cite.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)The details to which I referred have all been posted on DU before, by other posters.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)and reactions.
No acknowledgement AT ALL that he misread the situation at NetRoots and continued on like a codger with his canned talking points instead of adapting to the situation, which by any reasonable interpretation he could have turned to his advantage by engaging the activists to speak about their cause (at the least).
It's all a conspiracy against Bernie.
Ugh, but I guess you have no idea how ridiculous the conspiracy theories about this sound. All this Bernie coddling is a huge turnoff. This whole episode is now a real cringe worthy embarrassment for his campaign. 
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Anyone caught off guard like that can falter, and I acknowledge that Bernie faltered a bit.
BTW, there is no way he could have "turned [it] to his advantage" because neither he nor O'Malley were given any opportunity to respond. That was by design, and readily admitted by BLM.
I presented three possible interpretations. You obviously believe #1 to be the case. I presented my reasons for believing that #1 is likely not the case. You, as far as I can tell, present no reasoning - just accusations. Personally, I could not care less what your interpretation is - you clearly have your own agenda to undermine support for Sanders.
I'm going to put you on ignore now, because I really don't care to waste my time reading any more of your posts. Bye now.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)His response was to continue with his canned speech. He could have easily spent that time addressing the protestors instead of his stubborn focus on his applause lines.
ALL of your *reasons* make Bernie a victim. He was NOT a victim, and the conspiracy theories are NOT reasoning, lol. They are just bizarre . Now I have an *agenda* to *undermine* Bernie? NO, I just watched the man act with hostility at NetRoots when he could have easily have taken another route. That's called an observation, not an agenda...
I have no obligation to protect Bernie for any reason, and neither does anyone else. He's a grown man. It's ridiculous to claim that anyone is undermining Bernie simply because he put himself in the public eye for evaluation as a candidate on a national ticket. Nice sympathy ploy, though. Poor Bernie might be criticized.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)or even a panderer, that means that they have no
idea about him and are not interested in his positions.
Did they talk about O'Malley, or did they just ignore him?
If so, they don't give anyone but HRC a chance, and that
in itself makes me think hard about their openness.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)recently dissed Bernie and said O'Malley wasn't so bad.
It's interesting how they don't seem to go after O'Malley.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)from when he was Mayor. HELL, it was
O'Malley who said "all lives matter"
which was widely seen as woefully inadequate, even insulting to Blacks. Then
Bernie, when similarly confronted a few minutes later, replied ""Black lives, of
course, matter. I spent 50 years of my life fighting for civil rights and for dignity,"
Hillary was a fucking NO-SHOW, yet now she's the darling of BLM.
Yet by some bizarre dark magic, THIS ^ has been twisted and uglified by someone to
somehow mean Bernie is not 100% supportive of Black Lives Mattering? It's
frankly both disturbing and mystifying how it has come to this.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the Black folks of Maryland seem to disagree with you with respect to his record. I know this is anecdotal; but, the Black folks I know living in Maryland, during his time as Mayor and Governor ... like, and are working for him.
The only folks I hear talking about his abysmal record with Black folks is Bernie supporters and the media.
(But my anecdotal experience is just that.)
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)elect you their representative?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Give me time ... it's early in race; but, I'm polling well, when compared against my white and DU: PoC opponents!
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Or have any idea how they poll on various issues?
They are not a monolith, but O'Malley is supported by most of his minority constinuents.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)despite being a member of the club. I find it difficult to believe he has any nore special insight into the souls of black folks than I do of whites.
Report1212
(661 posts)If someone went on TV and claimed to represent the whole movement, they sound more fame seeking than organizing like most people in the movement are doing. Just like with Occupy, it really has no leaders.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)i.e. getting politicians to name their organization ("Black Lives Matter" , than with actually changing policy.
Report1212
(661 posts)Pretty much every movement has the first people who were doing it, it doesnt make them representative of the movement
As for Clinton, she spent almost all of her career advocating for violence and authoritarianism. If anyone trusts her ont hese issues they aren't well educated on the history
udbcrzy2
(891 posts)http://www.mediaite.com/online/twitter-liberals-angry-that-hillary-said-all-lives-matter-in-a-black-church/
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)someone's on tv bashing Bernie about race. If this shit works the folks who buy it will be the ones with the worst buyer's remorse.
frylock
(34,825 posts)jack and shit.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Anyone who thinks Pander Bear is gonna rock their world while she's up there playing footsie with republicans, has a major disappointment coming. You can't stop people from shitting the bed if that's what they wanna do.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)More off the wall winger bullshit that's pushed here all the time
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)but I think there is a lot to be said for O'Malley.
Ignoring his positions totally does not speak well
for BLM.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Rather, I suspect they are more satisfied with him ... for whatever non-nefariously, conspiratorial reason(s) ... as a candidate than Bernie.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Will give them a nickel every day they don't say the name Martin O'Malley. Shhhh - don't tell.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)
Cha
(297,232 posts)
freshwest
(53,661 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)They're politically completely inept and then when they fail they blame conspiracies and everyone and everything else other than their own ineptness.
The tone of Bernie supporters in this thread is one of complete entitlement. "What more do you people want? Bernie said what he was supposed to say" which of course isn't how you earn the support of ANY interest group. You earn it when you earn it and that can take time and a lot of effort.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)how much more work should be required?
mcar
(42,331 posts)I have been totally gobsmacked by the ongoing reaction to this Steven. And I've bee. On DU since 2002!
villager
(26,001 posts) stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And this over a period of years.
villager
(26,001 posts)I do see 1StrongBlackMan's acknowledgement that Sanders has a strong civil rights record, however.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I never asserted that Clinton earned it.
I am not sure she has, although she is probably further down the road than Bernie.
villager
(26,001 posts)But if you acknowledge that Clinton hasn't exactly earned it yet either (though it still begs an interesting discussion of what the earning process is, if not -- as per 1StrongBlackMan -- an acknowledged strong civil rights record), that, at least, has some balance to it.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)the Clintons. Those are the cold hard facts. I don't think that percentage is that big, but it is a thing.
That is measured against a long history where the Clinton's seem to really get the issues of minority communities and they know how to express that and how to empathize. That is much deeper then listing off a laundry list of issues that is supposed to get you somewhere.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And as we can all see with this BLM debacle, they clearly have no idea what they are doing.
That they think their reaction to this will help Bernie, that attacking BLM will help Bernie, is evidence of having no clue at all.
George II
(67,782 posts)
BainsBane
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One man's career over and epidemic of police killings of human beings. I fail to see what is left or progressive of dismissing leftist activism in favor of some absurd reverence for someone they see as a great man. What is leftist, progressive, or principled here? I could see the same level of disregard for a movement for back lives on any right-wing site. I don't know what it is they stand for other than themselves and one man, certainly nothing approaching any sort of justice, social or economic. They seem perfectly content to advance an ideology that declares war on the subaltern for failing to lay at the feet of Sanders. The one thing I refuse to do is surrender the term leftist to them. They are not. There is no version of leftism that puts one man above the rest of humanity.
There is no point even trying to convince them that anyone on this planet but themselves matters. It is the politics of entitlement.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)... blacks and Hispanics because he made no attempt at connecting
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)The Left aren't entitled morons, like you suggest. The reason we never get too far actually is because very powerful interests oppose our policies. This applies to all liberals, even you (if you identify as such) and yet we're still all labeled losers because it's hard to fight entrenched interests.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)here. Not folks trying to prop up their candidate.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)This "section of the Left" is one that apparently stands for reducing income inequality and fighting corporate power. That's the unifying theme that brings a lot of Sanders supporters together, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that goal. Standing up for the poor is absolutely a good cause, and I don't think rhetoric about purists harming the Sensible Moderates is good when applied to ANY issue on the Left.
Sanders supporters should stand up for their beliefs, BLM should stand up for its beliefs, and the LGBTQ equality movement should as well. The true power of the left is finding solidarity across all oppressed groups and unifying to fight the power kyriarchial structures keeping us all oppressed.
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)It does seem strange the Bernie appears to be the only Democrat that is drawing the ire of this group.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I mean it must, why else would people be calling him out? Bernie Sanders, what a poser.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But you are you looking for a meal today? ... you ate well yesterday.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)he is a proud independent.
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)there is nothing that Bernie could do or could have done to win their support then - is that what you are saying? This does appear to be the case, but it's disappointing. I'd been lead to believe BLM was a grassroots organization dedicated to reforming the prison system, not merely part of the Democratic Party establishment.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Well. I was just correcting your statement
There is plenty that Bernie can do. And, fortunately, he is headed in the right direction. But, it will take time, effort and patience ... something that is in short supply around here.
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)That honeymoon won't last though when one realizes the other is misrepresenting themselves. I won't say which one, but I'm sure many can make an educated guess.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)It's clear there is a disconnect.
He better get in front of this or he will have to kiss the black vote goodbye along with the Democratic nomination.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)fbc
(1,668 posts)
DanTex
(20,709 posts)
Number23
(24,544 posts)You have a candidate who for some reason, is simply not connecting with minority communities. Minority communities being the core constituency of the Democratic party and no Dem can win without them.
So what's your tactic? Accuse a group of black activists drawing attention to the slaughter of black people by the police of being "Hillary agents," or dismiss them altogether as "thugs" or "attention seekers." Definitely a winning strategy. 
It is an honor and a privilege to watch these great political minds in action.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"F@$% ... we'll just go out and register enough disaffected white voters to off set them!"
Number23
(24,544 posts)of the white vote has been going to the Republicans for years. That's just the reality of the situation.
So if most voting whites are voting Republican and the Republicans have still lost the last two presidential elections, at some point you'd think that people on BOTH sides of the aisle would realize that they can't just rely on the white vote anymore. Forget what's moral, right and decent. The simple fact of the matter is that for survival's sake, you're going to have to branch out and expand.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You'd think that most people would realize it by now, but many seem just as clueless as ever.
If you only appeal to whites, you will get your ass kicked in the election.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Even when it was talked about here on DU there was a lot of excuses for what he said.
these two was the paragraphs made my head spin:
But that's not important. You should not be basing your politics based on your color. What you should be basing your politics on is, how is your family doing? ... In the last election, in state after state, you had an abysmally low vote for the Democrats among white, working-class people. And I think the reason for that is that the Democrats have not made it clear that they are prepared to stand with the working-class people of this country, take on the big money interests. I think the key issue that we have to focus on, and I know people are uncomfortable about talking about it, is the role of the billionaire class in American society.
<— still.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that segment of Bernie's and Webb's condemning "identity politics" (a phrase that has re-appeared here on DU, of late) and that ill-fated 2008 comment by HRC about going after white voters ... I didn't see much space between them.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)It's cringeworthy at the very least.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)given the reaction of the AA electorate to Clinton's 2008 statement, and the apparent recognition of white anti-HRC folks (I have no other way to describe those raising the comment in 2015) ...
With regard to Webb, it is a conscious, and in my view, disqualifying, decision/choice that is far outside the fold of the Democratic Party. But, on the part of Bernie, it is cringe-worthy as it expresses a stunning amount of tone-deafness for a seasoned politician.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)That's popular these days, is it not?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)That Sanders needed to attract "just a few" PoC, because there is going to be enough white votes to make him win.
I wish I could post the link, but it was a while back, and I could not find it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But then, again, this IS going to be a paradigm shifting campaign! (So we've been told).
As I said, time, patience and effort seems in short supply ... I wink at you and when/if you do not fall in love, I'm out.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)... the people who aren't going to vote vs Hillary would repulse some voters
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)
Number23
(24,544 posts)
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Not everything is a conspiracy. they haven't been co-opted. They are just being "uppity and opinionated" and you know how that goes because . . . Americaaaaaa!
Number23
(24,544 posts)Wouldn't you have thought that we'd have reached the floor on epic cluelessness on race issues by now? How is it that this place keeps somehow digging deeper and deeper???
AllFieldsRequired
(489 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)The skill of digging is an extra special talent. PM this thread of which you write. I want a chuckle before I hit the spa tub with a glass of wine.
Eta - found it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)does not cause nastiness between different POCs, which
your post seems to look for.
Number23
(24,544 posts)division and "nastiness." Calling them "identity politics reductionists" is true to the spirit of healing and collaboration.
Like I said, it is privilege watching you guys in action. Must be how it felt to sit ringside at an Ali match back in the day.
romanic
(2,841 posts)Are you in disbelief that a POC can think for themself and not toe some kind of "imaginary line" drawn by a select few?
Number23
(24,544 posts)I told you I don't know what your problem is and I couldn't care less.
I also told you I've got not one bit of interest in anything that you write, think or believe so you should find somebody else to pester and stalk like you've lost your mind.
ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)It's all a plot Don'tcha know.
Cha
(297,232 posts)It is totally unreal, Number23. It could not be that their candidate has more work to do.
The beautiful people at #BlackLivesMatter are obviously trying to bamboozle(to use President Obama's word on his birthday
).. folks into voting for Hillary.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)still_one
(92,190 posts)to focus their answers because they were taken off guard by the format. Hillary had time to focus her answers accrdingly
whathehell
(29,067 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Financially and have offered my time.
What O'Malley did immediately after was awesome. I was fine with the protest and didn't think it made my candidate look bad. It has also opened doors of discussion for him in the black community.
still_one
(92,190 posts)FSogol
(45,485 posts)The full body of Governor Martin O'Malley's law enforcement reform plan
____America’s criminal justice system is badly in need of reform. For too long our justice system has reinforced our country’s cruel history of racism and economic inequality—remaining disconnected from our founding ideals of life, liberty, and equal treatment under the law.
Our country needs new leadership that will honestly assess our broken criminal justice system and put forward solutions that will:
•Ensure that justice is delivered for all Americans—regardless of race, class, or place.
•Build trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve.
•Ensure fairness and equal treatment for all people at every step within our justice system.
We must also strive to make our “corrections” facilities actually achieve rehabilitation. Almost all men and women who serve time in jail or prison return to their former communities.
BUILD TRUST IN LAW ENFORCEMENT
The causes of crime are complicated. But our fundamental values and principles as Americans are simple: that all people are created equal, and should be protected equally under the law.
Public officials especially, including police officers, must treat all communities fairly and earn their trust. The next president should work closely with law enforcement agencies to implement best practices in policing, and build cultures of transparency, accountability, and respect.
Ensure Transparency and Accountability in Law Enforcement
As President Obama’s Task Force on 21st Century Policing observed, law enforcement is at its best when officers work together with neighborhood residents to ensure public safety and promote the dignity of all people. This “guardian” ethic better protects citizens and law enforcement alike. Moreover, people have the greatest trust in law enforcement when officers’ strategies and policies reflect their own values and input, and when policing data and practices are transparent and accessible to the public.
As president, Governor O’Malley will:
Mandate and Expand Data Reporting. The FBI does not collect data on police-involved shootings. Local data is also poor and incomplete. O’Malley has called for—and will strongly support—legislation to require law enforcement agencies to report data on all police-involved shootings, custodial deaths, discourtesy complaints, and use of excessive force. This data should be centralized in a universal database and made publicly available, allowing communities to observe trends and develop policy responses when necessary.
**Establish a National Use of Force Standard**. State laws governing when police officers can use excessive force vary greatly. In order to protect citizen and officer safety, O’Malley will put forward national guidelines on the use of force, linked to the expanded mandatory reporting detailed above. He will support legislation to require states to review and amend their own use of force laws to comply with federal guidelines.
Expand Community Collaboration and Civilian Review of Police Departments. O’Malley would reward and encourage police departments to implement best practices in goal-oriented community policing, including through the eligibility criteria in federal grant programs. These include undergoing racial bias training and crisis de-escalation training; establishing internal accountability measures to track and review civilian complaints and address officer misconduct; and creating and empowering civilian review boards to independently monitor and audit policing cases.
Use Technology to Advance Transparency. Technology—including but not limited to body cameras—can improve policing and build community trust in law enforcement. But it must meet community and local law enforcement needs, without infringing on individual rights. O’Malley will work with law enforcement, advocates, and other stakeholders to establish national standards for deploying and developing technology, while protecting privacy and communities’ access to data produced by body cameras or similar tools.
Improve Access to Justice within the Criminal Justice System
To build trust in law enforcement, we must also build trust in our justice system, adopting policies and reforms that improve fairness and ensure access to justice.
As president, Governor O’Malley will:
**Encourage Independent Investigations of Policing Cases.** Local prosecutors must work closely with local police on a day-to-day basis, creating possible conflicts of interest in cases regarding police misconduct. As a result, states and cities have begun to appoint special independent prosecutors—or prosecutors from other jurisdictions—in cases where police use deadly force. O’Malley will make these measures model practices, and support legislation to encourage all states to adopt them.
**Strengthen Federal Civil Rights Protections.**Under the Obama Administration, the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division has successfully launched investigations into the deaths of Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, and Michael Brown. However, the Department’s ability to prosecute cases is limited because federal officials must meet a very high legal standard to bring civil rights charges. O’Malley would call on Congress to revise this standard so that the federal government can act as an effective backstop for ensuring justice.
Reform Civil Asset Forfeiture to Prioritize Public Safety. Civil forfeiture allows law enforcement to seize any property they allege is involved in a crime, even if the owner has not been charged or convicted. Originally designed as a way to cripple large criminal organizations, civil forfeiture is now rarely used to address actual crime and is too often abused. O’Malley will support bipartisan efforts in Congress to reform civil forfeiture statutes, reorienting law enforcement activity toward improving public safety and community policing.
INCREASE FAIRNESS IN SENTENCING
Skyrocketing spending on prisons and jails drains investment from schools, job creation, and community services: corrections spending at every level totals more than $80 billion a year. Racial bias remains ingrained in the justice system, and more needs to be done to reduce recidivism and expand successful reentry programs.
Ensure Fair Sentencing
Sentencing laws should treat all individuals fairly—ensuring that dangerous individuals are held accountable, setting lower penalties for less serious offenses, and providing opportunities for full rehabilitation.
As president, Governor O’Malley will:
Eliminate the Sentencing Disparity Between Crack and Powder Cocaine. This sentencing disparity has resulted in vast racial disparities within the justice system. Before Congress lowered the sentencing ratio in 2010 from 100:1 to 18:1, unjustifiably higher penalties for crack offenses led to African Americans serving roughly as much time for non-violent offenses as whites for violent offenses. O’Malley has called for and will continue to support legislation to completely eliminate this sentencing disparity.
**Declassify Marijuana as a Schedule I Drug.** O’Malley will direct the Attorney General to move to reclassify marijuana, while supporting bipartisan congressional efforts to legislatively reclassify marijuana as a Schedule II drug.
Reform Mandatory Minimum Sentencing. Over the past 30 years, mandatory minimum sentences have led to punishments that often do not fit the crime. Unnecessarily harsh sentences for non-violent offenses have not deterred crime, and have disproportionately impacted communities of color. O’Malley will support legislation that eliminates mandatory minimums for low-level drug offenses, while giving judges more flexibility to tailor sentences based on the facts of each case. He will also continue the Department of Justice’s successful Smart on Crime initiative, directing U.S. Attorneys to exercise greater discretion in their charging decisions.
Forge Consensus for Ending the Death Penalty. The death penalty is a racially biased and ineffective deterrent, and the appeals process is expensive and cruel to surviving family members. O’Malley has long opposed the death penalty as a matter of principle and as a matter of policy. As president, he will continue to oppose capital punishment and work to abolish death sentences under federal laws.
Medicalize our Response to Addiction and Mental Illness
Incarceration is an inadequate—and in most cases inappropriate—response for people in crisis. Far greater investment in community mental health and substance abuse treatment is required to provide individuals with the care and support they require, outside of the justice system.
As president, Governor O’Malley will:
Make Robust Investments in Drug Treatment. O’Malley will work to expand existing federal grants to states to support comprehensive drug treatment systems. He will call for tripling the number of states eligible for grants, as well as increasing the aid provided to each state. He will call for requiring states to make matching investments—ensuring that addiction is treated, and not ignored, at the local level. He will also support regulations and legislation to expand evidence-based treatment for addiction under Medicare and Medicaid.
Make Robust Investments in Community Mental Health Infrastructure. Although the rate of serious mental illness is two to six times higher among incarcerated populations, more than 80 percent of people with mental illness in jails and prisons do not receive care. O’Malley will invest to provide adequate mental health treatment and substance abuse treatment within correctional facilities. Additionally, he will call for community-based recovery for individuals suffering from mental illness, setting a national target for reducing the number of Americans with serious mental illness behind bars. He will work with Congress to make critically needed investments in housing, supported employment, and outpatient treatment.
Train and Equip Law Enforcement to Serve People in Crisis. Police officers have increasingly become first responders to people with mental illness or substance abuse problems, often without adequate training. O’Malley will establish federal guidelines for law enforcement on how to best serve people in crisis—including de-escalating encounters, equipping specialized staff and response teams, and intervening in partnership with civilian service providers. He will use existing federal funds to support state Crisis Intervention Training, work with Congress to make additional investments, and require states to adopt federal crisis intervention guidelines.
Address the Discriminatory and Punitive Application of Student Discipline
Underinvestment in public education has left many districts financially strapped, often unable to staff the counselors, special education teachers and social workers their students need. This has coincided with an increased reliance on suspensions, expulsions, and school resource officers to enforce school discipline—including for behavior that is far from a crime. As a result, student discipline increasingly reflects the adult criminal-justice system—with children, especially children of color, being charged, arrested, and even detained in juvenile facilities. This trend has dramatic economic implications as well: children with arrest records have a fraction of the chance of graduating compared to students without arrest records.
As president, Governor O’Malley will:
Enforce and Codify Federal Discipline Guidelines. Federal law already prohibits public school districts from administering student discipline in a discriminatory way. The Departments of Education and Justice put forward guidance last year to help schools identify, avoid, and remedy discriminatory discipline, so that all schools ensure equal educational opportunities for all students. O’Malley will enforce this guidance by bringing federal investigations or charges when necessary, and call to codify the guidance into law.
Reinvest in Other Services and Supports for Teachers and Students. Underinvestment in public education has left many schools with too little funding for counselors, special educators, teacher training, and other needs. This has sometimes created an over-reliance on law enforcement and school resource officers to enforce discipline. O’Malley will invest in federal grants to help deploy counselors and other school staff, including by reprioritizing existing federal funding currently used to place law enforcement officers in schools.
Fulfill the Constitutional Right to Counsel
The flood of misdemeanor cases for petty crimes has greatly overburdened state courts. Many poor defendants—about one in four—do not receive court-appointed legal counsel, despite their right to it. Crushing caseloads for public defenders can create an “assembly-line mentality” toward justice that contributes to individuals being unnecessarily imprisoned for minor offenses.
As president, Governor O’Malley will:
Ensure Access to Counsel and Legal Assistance. O’Malley would invest to protect every American’s constitutional right to counsel, providing funding for legal aid programs and public defenders, and ensuring their independence.
Bring Accountability, Due Process, and Immediate Relief to our Immigration System
Immigration-related cases make up more than 40 percent of federal prosecutions, more than any other type of prosecution—including drug crimes. Yet families are denied justice throughout the immigration system. Conditions at immigrant detention facilities are deplorable, due process is limited, assembly-line justice is common, and families are needlessly torn apart.
As president, Governor O’Malley will:
Use Detention Only as a Last Resort. O’Malley will direct the Department of Homeland Security to use alternatives to detention for the vast majority of people, including for all children, families, LGBT individuals, and other vulnerable individuals. This includes using the family placement and community-based supervision policies he successfully implemented in Maryland. He will also work with Congress to repeal mandatory detention and deportation laws, and to codify higher detention standards. When detention must be used, O’Malley will ensure conditions are humane and in line with our basic values as a nation.
End Operation Streamline.
Under Operation Streamline, federal attorneys criminally prosecute, in assembly-line settings, virtually all undocumented immigrants that enter the United States through the Southern border. Fast-track prosecutions and group hearings raise serious concerns regarding the violation of due process. Moreover, thousands of immigrants who try to enter or re-enter the United States are the parents of U.S. citizens attempting to reunite with their loved ones.
O’Malley will direct federal prosecutors to focus only on priority entry and reentry cases—those involving national security or serious crimes—and work with Congress to repeal the Operation Streamline program.
Disentangle Local Law Enforcement From Immigration Enforcement. Our immigration policies have fallen short of their goal to pinpoint and detain individuals who pose a clear and present danger to public safety. Instead, they have created an indiscriminate dragnet that can encourage racial profiling and undermines trust between law enforcement and New American communities. O’Malley has outlined his plan for disentangling law enforcement from immigration enforcement, including by closing loopholes in DOJ guidance that allow DHS agencies to profile Americans based on their ethnicity and religion.
Set High Standards for Customs and Border Protection (CBP). CBP is the nation’s largest law enforcement agency, and CBP officers must have the support and tools they need to do their jobs well. O’Malley will require CBP to implement the best practices in law enforcement, including equipping officers with body cameras, tracking and disclosing discourtesy and brutality complaints, providing robust training, and holding agents accountable for the use of excessive force.
Ensure Due Process. O’Malley will also implement critical reforms to expand due process protections in our detention and immigration systems, including providing counsel for immigrants in deportation proceedings, increasing the number of immigration judges and courts, ending telephonic and video hearings for detainees, and ensuring language access.
ECONOMIC INEQUALITY
Actions to address racial disparities in the criminal justice system should be accompanied by a wide range of policies that help to alleviate deeply rooted disparities in economic security and opportunity among communities of color.
Today, too many families are hurt by active discrimination. What’s more, the legacy of institutionalized discrimination—such as redlining—has amplified the disproportionate harm that the recession inflicted on communities of color. As a result, our nation has endured 30 years of worsening economic inequality.
As a nation, we must strive to remove barriers to full participation in the social, economic, and political life of our nation, once and for all. Legal equality is absolutely necessary but not sufficient – we must strive for equal opportunity and a fair shot for everyone. That means helping to ensure good jobs that provide stable incomes; universal, high-quality childcare; affordable housing and homeownership; and greater equity in our education and health care systems—for all Americans.
Governor O’Malley has already called for a number of actions that would support greater economic security and opportunity for communities of color, including:
•Raising the minimum wage to $15 dollars an hour.
•Empowering labor unions.
•Greatly expanding access to national service and job opportunities for young people.
•Ensuring young people can attend public colleges and universities debt-free.
•Passing comprehensive immigration reform.
•Investing in universal childcare.
In the coming weeks and months, Governor O’Malley will lay out comprehensive plans to address poverty and support the millions of American families striving to join the middle class, as well as put forth agendas to reform K-12 education, address homeownership and the rental crisis, and improve access to affordable healthcare.
Reduce Recidivism By Through Investments in Reentry
Up to 60 percent of individuals released from jail or prison return within three years. Programs that help people in prison or jail transition into society are saving taxpayer dollars that might otherwise be wasted on re-arrest or re-incarceration. Successful reentry options also give motivated individuals the tools and support they need to leave the criminal justice system for good, compete for a job, find stable housing, support their families, and contribute to their communities.
As president, Governor O’Malley will:
Invest in Job-Training Programs That Work. Roughly 9 million people return home from jail, and 650,000 from prison, every year. Getting and keeping a job is crucial to their ability to reenter their communities—and thus to reducing recidivism, and incarceration costs, overall. O’Malley will build on successful programs in Maryland and other states to train, place, and support those exiting the criminal justice system so they can secure employment. As president, he will work with Congress to secure additional funding for—and legislation that expands—community-based job training programs.
Support Reentry Programming. Since 2008, the bipartisan Second Chance Act has funded critical community services that help people return to their families from prisons, jails, and juvenile facilities. O’Malley will work with Congress to reauthorize and expand funding for Second Chance Act programs, and other important services that ease the transition back to the outside world. Such services include referrals for housing and benefits, substance abuse treatment, mentoring, education, and job training.
Expand Good Time Credits. O’Malley will support legislation to allow people in federal prison to earn sentence-reduction credits by completing education and reentry programs. More broadly, he will support evidence-based, cost-effective reforms that allow people in prisons or jails to earn more good time credit for greater sentence reductions than federal law currently allows.
Support Access to Higher Education in Prison. O’Malley will use existing funds and work with Congress to support multi-year educational and vocational training programs in correctional facilities, including providing funding for professional teachers and staff. He will also support legislation and take executive action to restore eligibility for Pell Grants for people in state and federal prison, which was eliminated in the 1994 crime bill. These investments will increase individuals’ chances of finding jobs once they’ve done their time, and decrease their chances of cycling back into prison later in life.
Dramatically Reduce the Use of Solitary Confinement and Ban Solitary for Juveniles.
Research shows that prisoners subjected to prolonged isolation may experience depression, rage, claustrophobia, hallucinations, and severe psychosis that can lead to random violence or suicide. Federal judges have called the long-term lack of interaction, mental stimulus, and exposure to nature “beyond what most humans can psychologically tolerate”. As president, O’Malley will reverse the runaway growth of solitary confinement, limiting its use to the most serious in-prison offenders. He will also fight to pass legislation banning the federal use of solitary confinement for juveniles nationally.
Provide Pathways to Full Restoration of Rights and Benefits
Nearly one in three Americans has a criminal record that, because of employer biases and state laws, could prevent them from even being considered for good-paying jobs. Moreover, nearly six million Americans are denied the fundamental right to vote because of regressive state laws that target people with felony convictions. This results in one out of every 13 African Americans being unable to vote.
As president, Governor O’Malley will:
Ban the Box. O’Malley will use existing federal dollars to encourage states to adopt “fair chance” policies, which direct employers to delay criminal record inquiries and individually assess job applicants based on their qualifications. He will make the federal government a model employer by adopting fair chance hiring policies for all federal contractors and agencies.
**Expunge or Seal Criminal Records.** O’Malley will also support legislation that provides paths to recourse for people with criminal records. This includes automatically expunging or sealing juvenile records, so young people have a fair chance to turn around their lives; allowing some categories of formerly incarcerated people to petition a court to seal their records; and expunging the records of arrests that did not lead to formal charges.
Restore Voting Rights to People with Felony Records. All those who served time and reentered society should be allowed to vote. O’Malley will call for and strongly support legislation restoring voting rights to individuals with felony records. He will explore and take advantage of every opportunity to use federal funds and administrative solutions to encourage states to restore voting rights.
Ensure Access to Temporary Support. O’Malley will call for and strongly support legislation that would end the drug felon ban on access to SNAP and TANF assistance. Formerly incarcerated people and their families should have access to crucial support to help them get on their feet after serving their time.
Work to Eliminate For-Profit Prisons
There are approximately 130 private prisons in the United States. They house nearly half of all immigrant detainees, in addition to six percent of the state and 16 percent of the federal prison population. These facilities earn the private prison industry $3.3 billion in annual revenue, backed by nearly $25 million in lobbying over the past 25 years. This includes industry lobbying to protect perverse incentives, the strict enforcement of sentencing and immigration laws, and contracts that require correctional facilities and immigration detention centers to remain full even when crime is falling.
As president, Governor O’Malley will:
Phase Out Federal For-Profit Prisons. This includes closing for-profit immigration detention centers, while using alternatives to detention in the immigration context whenever possible.
REINVEST TO ENSURE JUSTICE
As a nation, our divestment in education, job creation, and healthcare has resulted in some communities turning to law enforcement as a first and last resort—from providing student discipline to addressing addiction and mental illness. Reversing this trend by reinvesting in these areas will relieve our overburdened justice system, and ensure that law enforcement is able to focus on the most violent crimes.
read entire plan: http://t.co/b6QMEcCmrk
William769
(55,147 posts)If some other people tried it we just might live in a better world.
There's some food for thought for you.
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)nm
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Really?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Surprise!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(297,232 posts)#BlackLivesMatter 
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)She listens to voters, activists, and legislators to understand their concerns. While you all enamored of someone who talks at people and has espoused the same ideology for decades, Clinton seeks to REPRESENT the electorate. That means listening to and understanding their concerns and then working to make them policy.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)without losing his DU (minded) supporters.
frylock
(34,825 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Apparently Bernie has done enough, for their taste ... time to move on.
frylock
(34,825 posts)If Sanders doesn't respond to #BLM, he doesn't care about their issues. If Sanders responds to #BLM, he's espousing phony rhetoric. So what is it that Clinton has done to earn their support? And what the fuck has our first black President done to curtail institutionalized racism and escape criticism from #BLM?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Is it because the candidate that you support isn't getting sufficient love by BLM?
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)That no one's answered those questions.
Lend a hand?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)About HRC and President Obama?
Perhaps, no one is answering because those/these are unrelated to what Bernie is, or is not, doing.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts) 1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Even if they're unrelated to Bernie, I still want to know.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)And if this thread isn't enough, refer to this one:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=27165
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Not just them but the conservatives who support him. I watched his speech at the start of the house party and he is trying. I don't know if you saw that. It may also be a matter of his simply not understanding.
frylock
(34,825 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)$2700 head party.
Time she felt some fiery concerns and complaints, unscripted, up close and personal.
She doesn't fool me one bit and there will be others who catch on. She wants to keep clean hands.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Clinton only listens to dollar signs.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)and it doesn't make it true. What is clear is that you and your friends have decided Clinton alone is responsible for the nature of campaign finance in America, in order to make the issue as small as possible. You ignore its systemic influence because the only thing that really matters is ensuring one woman never becomes president.
Black Lives Matters does not have big money. They represent the most oppressed people in America. The claim that Clinton's ability to understands their concerns is about money is incomprehensibly ludicrous and shows how little issues actually matter.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Why are you telling lies about me? What is to gain from that?
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)
Cha
(297,232 posts)an African Amercian admin on the Obama Diary.. who has not been in Hillary's camp. But here it is..
Nerdy Wonka ?@NerdyWonka
Hillary: "Anyone who asks for your vote should see things as they are, not as they want them to be"
Feel that SHADE, Bernie?
😂😂😂
3:03 AM - 31 Jul 2015
Nerdy Wonka ?@NerdyWonka
HRC: "Those of us who have not experienced racial inequities have a special burden. We need to practice some humility."
*Ahem* Bernie fans.
3:05 AM - 31 Jul 2015
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Nerdy Wonka ?@NerdyWonka
Good on Hillary for telling white America to stop pretending that their experiences are black people's experiences. Practice some empathy.
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http://theobamadiary.com/2015/07/31/rise-and-shine-1068/
Indeed.
Cha
(297,232 posts)DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)There's reason to be skeptical about anything a politician says, perhaps BLM thinks Bernie is being a phony (I disagree strongly with that characterization) but that same skepticism should apply to all candidates. Hillary has listened to the LGBTQ community quite recently, but for a long time opposed equality, and I worry about the legitimacy of her rhetoric now. Are those concerns less legitimate?
I'll be honest with you, I support Black Lives Matter wholeheartedly. But the idea that Bernie Sanders is an enemy to the movement is absolutely astounding to me, to the point that I'm skeptical of how many people actually believe that. Maybe I'm missing something here, other than "some of his supporters are assholes" (which is true of every candidate), but I don't think I am. They said he needed to focus more on social justice, and immediately he started working on it. It's a good standard to hold every candidate to.
And it's one that I plan to hold Hillary to as well. No free passes, as everybody has said. And I'll be honest with you, she needs to do more to earn my trust.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)are some of his supporters.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Because at that point, she knows black voters are in the bag and she can go back to kissing up to "hard working Americans, white Americans", in an effort to pick off some lower and middle class white votes.
Of course it won't work, because that demographic has been conditioned for years to hate her guts, and we'll wind up with a republican administration.
And at that point, Black Lives won't Matter at all.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Cheek. But African Americans felt he really listened to them and understood them. He of course did damage to that with some dumb statements in 2008, but he governed in a way that was very inclusive of minorities in general.
So no, I doubt Hillary would turn her back on minorities if nominated or elected.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Yours doesn't seem to be based on anything.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)
moobu2
(4,822 posts)Bernie came off looking like he was pandering and insincere.
frylock
(34,825 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)To earn it.
All the flailing you want to do will not change that. This is true if the group is women, or LGBT, or Unions or African Americans, etc.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)On ANOTHER one of these clueless threads.
Smh
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They want to FORCE me to love Hillary. I watch the 'Hillary talks black' video yesterday. It was supposed to make me hate her. I rather liked the speech.
I guess we'll have Uncle Bill and Aunt Hillary back in the White House. Doesn't even bother me. Maybe I'll meet her and we'll cha cha slide together.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)It's really just beyond me how some of these folks continue to not get it and not get it and NOT GET IT.
Im actually trying to be helpful to them and their candidate, that's the ironic thing.
Don't pull this crap Bernie supporters. Don't do it. The ones doing it don't listen.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)tired ass shit.
From now on, I will just taunt them when they do it. Look how fucking sensitive over Bernie? The same folks who rarely had a kind word to say about Obama act like Bernie is a fucking GOD who must not be criticised.
I keep trying to tell them a large group of white bernie supporters trashing Black people day after day makes them look like a pack of Wild Racists, but fuck it.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)Exactly. Of course I must think I'm god to be disappointed.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)I'm talking about your apparent delusions of the size of your sphere of influence.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Everywhere I go people just cannot not like me. Or hate me. A blessing and a curse, but I'm awesom anyway. You know, you can just aviod me and ignore me. Cause I seem to be influencing you.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)That Bernie is only talking about racism for political gain. He's not going to stop talking about it because some people don't think he's sincere .
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)He cared enough years and years ago to walk the walk.
Not too sure what HRC was doing besides kissing black folks with one side and kissing Wallstreet with the other side.
Hardworking white Americans not withstanding.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)so you can't fight for racial justice for 40 years
you can't tie economic and social justice together for 40 years
you can't make promises that past history shows you'll keep
you can't address the issues they say they want you to address for decades before it was ever demanded
you can't work with the organization that wants to work with you
the only thing you CAN do is quit the campaign
and some people still think he's not being targeted
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Anyone who knows anything about Bernie will tell you that he doesn't pay lip service to women's or minority causes.
He gets it, he always has.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Senator Sanders long history with the civil rights movement is the ONLY thing that's "phony".
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Who was hosting?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Either the name of the host or the guest or a link would be great.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)I dint want to see someone be negative or have "ammo", but identity would lend all kinds of context and research capability.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...for you (and quite a few others in this thread).
It was awful enough for blacks and BLM-minded folks here to be told that their concerns expressed were just a baseless, despicable attack on Bernie, but turning the argument against actual activists in the trenches is a rather sordid admission about where priorities lie. Obviously the political standing of your candidate comes before the interests and opinion of this group of protesters and advocates, in your view. This has a Jim Crow feel to it where blacks speaking out are dictated to about what's good for them by a cliquish white majority. Just say it outright, don't hide behind this sly accusation of collusion with the Clinton campaign - surely you know what's best for them.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Your fauxrage.
Bernie has always spoken out on racism and will continue to do so. This guy thinks it's not authentic. Fine. Bernie will continue to speak out about and try to draw attention to a deadly serious issue anyway. This "spokesman" (and you) are just angry that he actually listened to what was being said and started speaking out on the issue...because for SOME people it was always about a cynical use of this issue to prop up a lousy candidate. THAT is disgusting. I will continue to speak out about racism and police brutality and so will anyone who cares about human rights and we don't need the approval or permission of self appointed spokespeople to do so.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...I won't be talked down to on what I believe on behalf of ANY candidate, and I'm damn tired of Sanders supporters trying to tell me how I should regard their self-serving rhetoric on race (and their candidate's).
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)You speak only for yourself.
Scuba
(53,475 posts).... free press certainly isn't above asking a Hillary supporter to represent themselves as a BLM leader. It's kind of like Fox News having a milquetoast neo-liberal on and telling their viewers he's a "Democratic Party Strategist."
Vattel
(9,289 posts)I didn't see the interview, but if he was pushing a false narrative about Sanders, that doesn't mean that everyone in BLM or even a majority agree with his perspective.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 5, 2015, 05:38 PM - Edit history (1)
they supported the Iraq war and most other wars on the pnac agenda. They are probably doing the same to blm. Serious political movements should never allow partisan hacks to get positions in their group. She is a supporter of policies that increased black incarceration and they are destroying the credibility by endorsing her.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And if I didn't know better, I'd would really think you're exploiting a schism that doesn't exist to suit your own biases.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)We need to not care what they say or anything that comes out of them.
Everything from MSM is suspect and should be viewed as biased towards HRC and the Republican goal of having her in the general.
I have been and will continue to not put any energy into this divisive topic.
Bernie is doing great. No need to add drama.
