Are White Women Abandoning Hillary Clinton?

[Purveyor]

White women are the one demographic Hillary Rodham Clinton may have thought she had locked in for her 2016 Democratic primary race.

But a new poll shows the once-presumed Democratic front-runner is losing support across the board, most noticeably among this group.

In June, 44 percent of white women had a favorable view of Mrs. Clinton, edging out the 43 percent who didn’t. By July, those numbers shifted: Only 34 percent of white women saw her in a positive light, compared to 53 percent who had a negative impression of her, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll.

"There is no way you can say she’s in the same position this month compared to last month," said Bill McInturff, a Republican pollster who co-directs the WSJ/NBC News survey. "She’s been dented and she’s in a weaker position."

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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2015/0804/Are-white-women-abandoning-Hillary-Clinton

[AgingAmerican]

1. The leak will soon turn into a flood

The little Dutch boy's finger won't hold much longer.

[Metric System]

2. Well thank God we have Republicans shaping the narrative.

[daybranch]

13. Actually Main Stream Media is deflecting attention from Clinton's positions on many issues which

run counter to the views of progressive democrats and the majority of people in this country. The republican clown car spectacle while intended to attract all the attention has failed.
Oops! Are you telling me right wing media would support Hillary over Bernie and would go to great lengths top prevent his election? If you are calling that the right wing media shaping the narrative, I suppose I would have to agree.

[jberryhill]

3. How many months before anyone casts a vote in this thing?

[daybranch]

17. In Ohio the primary is march 15, 2016=

and volunteers for Bernie are growing and growing, We are reaching out to Clinton's core supporters both African Americans and women. Actually both white and black women democrats seem to support Bernie in my area. I really only know one female Hillary supporter and she readily admits she does not know much about Bernie.

[olddots]

4. I forgot , who owns the Wall Street Journal ?

we should go with who we feel will work for us ...left right or center unless we are happy with being market segment slaves .

[Edwin_Stanton]

5. Any speculations on who will be most likely be picking up these votes?

[Sheepshank]

6. I will be sure to let my female White Republican co-worker know

that her Clinton vote is more important than ever.

thanks for the heads up.

[davidn3600]

7. Her favorability rating is horrible across the board

It's safe to say that most Americans don't really like her very much. That's the reality. She is certainly no where near as liked as Obama was.

It's a problem because of motivation. If she's not motivating the youth, women, and minorities to go out and vote....we are going to end up with a Republican president. Obama won twice because he energized those groups.

The Democrats also have a problem with white voters. I understand the reluctance to even acknowledge that, but the polling data is consistent with that trend. White, middle class voters are a problem. And the GOP has an opportunity to pick up some of them, many of who backed Obama in 2008.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Mitt Romney garnered a larger share of the white vote than any Republican since Ronald Reagan ...

The Democrats also have a problem with white voters...

Mitt Romney garnered a larger share of the white vote than any Republican since Ronald Reagan and still lost.

[EL34x4]

37. Not quite true.

In 2012, Romney got 59% of the white vote, which made up 72% of the electorate.

In 1988, George H. W. Bush won 60% of the white vote, which made up 85% of the electorate.

In 2016, if the GOP can pick up 61% of the white vote, they will win the election. Can a GOP candidate get 61% of the white vote? Reagan got 66% in '84. So yes, losing white votes matters.

If the same demographics that voted in 2014 voted the same way in 2012, Romney would've won.

Pick an election, click on Group Voting:

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. Well ...

Her favorability rating is horrible across the board

No exactly across the board ... they are demographics where she maintains solid favorability.

[BeyondGeography]

8. She's not having a great summer, is she?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Rough summer, yet she still leads all her presumptive GOP opponents

eom

[BainsBane]

14. By 40 points.

But we keep hearing about how no one likes her. Republicans don't like her. Democrats do, especially liberals.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. She is leading her Democratic opponents by 35 + points.

It would be nice if she was leading the GOP by as much.


I should add PBO lost the white vote and the white woman vote. Women of color, especially African American women gave him his margin of victory over Romney in the female demographic.

Also, i am not going to get agita over one cherry picked poll sixteen months before the election.

[Fawke Em]

24. Not in New Hampshire.

You know - an early voting state.

We elect nominees and presidents by states, not nationally.

I couldn't care less about national polls.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Homogeneous New Hampshire is his wheelhouse

Let's see how he does when the electorate becomes more heterogeneous given the fact he is losing African American and Latino voters by margins of 10 to 1 to 25-1.

[BainsBane]

36. Yes, single women vote Dem, married women vote Republican

Women of color vote Dem. Nothing new there.

[canuck eh]

18. Cut that to less than half and you be right, eh

[daybranch]

19. certainly progressives do not.

what liberals are you talking about. We do not even have a middle class anymore. We democrats are for the working class and many of us are not sure that Hillary is. She appears ready to commit Haree Karee rather than abandon her oligarchy masters. Look at TPP, Keystone Pipeline, opposition to Glass-Steagall, failure to denounce NAFTA, failure to support Iran Treaty, or even admit Citizens United night to be reversed. Politicians win when they can tell people what the people are likely to believe, Hillary has a real problem because she is to the right of Obama and the people in the democratic party have moved farther to his left. I personally consider her a moderate republican at this point and should say like the police in Ohio said in the fight over Senate Bill 5 said I did not leave my party, my party left me.

[BainsBane]

29. Polling data shows as much

based on self-identification.

Hillary 57% overall support
64% identifying at very liberal
58% identifying as liberal
59% identifying as moderate
37% identifying as somewhat conservative
27% identifying as very conservative

Sanders 22% overall support
26% identifying at very liberal
19% identifying as liberal
16% identifying as moderate
31% identifying as somewhat conservative
42% identifying as very conservative

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_72215.pdf

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/07/27/sanders-trails-clinton-even-among-liberal-democrat/

Even that Q. poll Bernie supporters are enamored with that shows her with lower favorability ratings actually shows her fav. numbers higher than Sanders among Democrats.


And really, what you think of the electorate and whether they qualify as "progressive" or acceptable human beings is entirely irrelevant. People will vote as they please, even when they have the audacity to care about their jobs, lives, sustenance rather than your list of approved issues.

This entire argument that Clinton is a Republican and right-wing is contrived. It depends on ignoring her policy positions and voting record in order to advance a false narrative. That people say the only Democrat they won't support is Clinton, while celebrating Kerry, who also voted for Iraq, as the best SoS even, while showing no qualms about Biden or even Webb, shows the opposition to Clinton has nothing to do with policy or issues.

As for politicians telling people what they want to hear, Sanders is particularly prolific. He promises the moon while having the capacity to implement none of it. The fact he promises to overturn Citizens United shows as much. That is something only SCOTUS can do, and chances of it happening from 2016-20 are exceedingly small.
He throws out the Kochs as red meat to appease the anger of his supporters, even in areas like border policy that they have nothing to do with. He also capitalizes on ignorance about campaign finance law by making empty promises not to take Super PAC money, when no candidate is allowed by law to do so.

I was excited when I heard he had proposed public financing. I'm been wanting that for a long time and haven't been able to get the 'progressives" on DU to pay any attention to the issue; they would instead insist so and so's money was better than Clinton's, ignoring the fact the entire system rots from the influence of big money.
However, it turns out Sanders isn't serious at all. He is proposing a bill before congress, that even if a miracle descended from the heavens and it passed, it would be ruled unconstitutional, as McCain-Feinberg's far more modest reforms were.

Clinton says she will appointed judges who oppose the Citizen United position. She says she will work to end dark money. She doesn't promise the moon because she knows there is a good chance she is going to be expected to deliver on those promises. So really, I don't think Sanders supporters are in any position to criticize anyone else for promising people what they want to hear.

The election will proceed, people will vote, including the ones you don't think qualify as "progressive."

By the way, I suggest you read this: #redefineprogressive

[BeyondGeography]

20. I predict

that stuff is going to happen. Don't ask me what.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Bush might literally implode and we get Walker.

[BeyondGeography]

22. Bush has been totally inept

Might start pulling for him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. The only competitive election he had he lost.

He beat Buddy McKay and Bill McBride, decent men, but not political heavyweights, the latter of whom had no prior political experience.

If he loses what happens to all his PAC money?

[BeyondGeography]

25. They set up a carving station and divide by X

[Scootaloo]

11. What, you mean even Clinton can't take votes for granted?

Well, there goes that plan!

[CharlotteVale]

16. All my white women friends were for Warren. Now they're for Sanders.

Clinton was never even on their radar.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Seeein same thing here. Hillary is toast. While Hillary supporters cling desperately to her diminishing poll #s, the trend in those polls are clearly not in her favor...

But, of course, when those polls flip, showing Bernie in the lead, Hillary supporters will suddenly claim polls don't matter. As Hillary would say, "bank on it."
Go Bernie Go!

[Evergreen Emerald]

32. why the snark?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. You can't use logic to get somebody to abandon a position they didn't logically find their way into.

eom

[NYCButterfinger]

26. The Democrats need working class white voters. Period.

The Democrats need white working class voters. Period. We need to be a big tent party.

[still_one]

27. In the same poll she beats all primary challengers by over 30 points. So while

favorability views might be interesting, it does not correlate with who is ahead in the primaries at this point in time

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. Thirty five to be precise, and that poll was taken at the nadir of her candidacy.

eom

[underpants]

30. No

Her volunteer locations are going to be swimming with women.

[djean111]

33. This woman was never for Hillary. This time around. I was last time, but things are different now.

I find the idea that I would vote for a politician because they are a woman both laughable and insulting.
We sneer at the GOP because they act like sheep, but expect Democrats to act like sheep. Interesting. And simplistic.