2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNew Minnesota PPP Poll Hillary 50% Bernie 32%
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_MN_80415.pdfolddots
(10,237 posts)N.T.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)AllFieldsRequired
(489 posts)Putting aside any issue of who I support or dont, this is amazing and unexpected and wild.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)and until after a couple debates (which are not even scheduled yet) it is to early to get very excited about these polls.
Even so, Hillary dropping to 50% is significant.
It may be that her "mile wide and inch deep" support is beginning to dry up.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)for Martin O'Malley, 3% for Lincoln Chafee, and 2% for Jim Webb. This is the most
support we've found for Sanders in any state so far this year. It's not surprising that would
come in Minnesota for him- he has tended to do much better with white voters than
African Americans or Hispanics, and the Democratic electorate in Minnesota is far whiter
than in the country as a whole.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)No group should be discounted whites, blacks, latinos, other etc.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I was just echoing the empirical observation about the homogeneity of the Minnesota Democratic electorate that was made by the pollster:
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The national Democratic party is over forty percent non white and that is going to have a large impact on polling when Senator Sanders is losing African Americans and Latinos by 10-1 to 25-1 margins.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Bernie has tons of support in Minneapolis and as someone who has been involved in the Twin Cities campaign I can assure you that support is not coming entirely from white people.
Minnesota as a whole is very white but the Twin Cities are much more diverse than the state as a whole and Bernie is strongest in the Twin Cities.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)My point is the Minnesota Democratic party is not a proxy for the national Democratic party. It's substantially more homogeneous and significantly more liberal.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... I was just reading that somewhere else on DU.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Just kidding.
I actually believe there are more than three white women who would vote for Hillary. I hope she groks this trend and begins campaigning harder. Doing so can only help the Democrats come November 2016.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... is I know lots of white women ... women who have been pushed aside over and over in their careers ... they take many of the attacks on Hillary very personally.
I also think its fine for the Dems to watch the first few GOP debates ... see what these nuts will be saying, and yet give them nothing back to work with.
The GOP has lots of crazy to manage ... we should let them flounder around ... we have lots of time.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I know what you mean. I kinda take attacks on Bernie personally.
I am looking forward to harder campaigning from Hillary. It isn't like women I know to sit back and coast. She should be demanding the Party gets some Democratic debates on air ASAP.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)So the break-up of Biden support is accounted for in this poll, and it looks like polls from ~10 days ago hold true...Biden support -did not- mostly go to Clinton, but was scattered around the field.
IMO SE MN and the Iron-Range are all historically progressive. The author blames this outcome on race, but, the Iron-Range long held out as a bastion of socialism, while SE MN was strong with anti-corporate Grangers who literally fought against the concept of "all the traffic-will-bear" railroad pricing policy for ag products in that last 'golden age'.
femmedem
(8,203 posts)unless I inadvertently missed something. Which I may have. I'm awfully tired.