Timeline Of Democratic Party Membership Amongst DU's Top Picks

[onehandle]

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[FSogol]

1. Unrec. Top 3? PFFFFTTTT

[NCTraveler]

20. +1 nt

[tularetom]

2. What's your point?

Somebody went to a lot of trouble to produce a chart that tells us what we all knew anyway.

But I doubt if it's going to change any minds.

[djean111]

3. Not interested in a timeline, I am interested in what they stand for. Now.

Bernie wins. Liz would win, too, if she was running for prez.

Oh, and Debbie-Wasserman-DINO wants me to vote for Patrick Murphy, who has been a Democrat since 2011.
So that timeline thing is not even important to the Party, really. Why should it matter to me?

[sheshe2]

5. My Senator is Elizabeth, not Liz.

TIA

[William769]

12. If that was actually the case, then why do people keep trying to go back years (in some cases

decades) on Hillary?

Can't have it both ways.

Just saying.

[mcar]

70. Yep

A post from last week was trying to state that HRC "was a Republican." Didn't care about reality.

[Autumn]

41. I'm not interested in the time line either. Liz and Bernie stand on the right side of the

issues that are important to me and that's all that matters.

[frylock]

4. gooble gobble

[sheshe2]

8. How does it reflect badly on the Democratic Party?

[William769]

15. SO ANOTHER WORDS....

[William769]

17. I plan on it.

[SidDithers]

23. ...

Sid

[DisgustipatedinCA]

35. in | other

[sheshe2]

55. Dayum!

Missed it!

[winter is coming]

7. It's the contents, not the label, that matters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141165954

[sheshe2]

9. Duck, incoming.

I appreciate the work it took to make that timeline. It shows who the Democratic Candidate is in the race.

Telling, thank you onehandle.

[Iliyah]

11. Interesting and answers a lot of questions.

[William769]

13. Recommended once legally by DU rules.

Recommended a thousand times over for accuracy.

[Aerows]

14. Jury results

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Over the top, rude, and completely insensitive to those Bernie are attracting (in other words,left-leaning Independents)..

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Aug 3, 2015, 07:58 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Don't really see the point to this graphic. You've got a Republican who became a corporate Democrat, a Republican who became a liberal Democrat, and an independent who has always been more liberal than the Democratic power structure (a true FDR Democrat). Which candidate this graphic hurts depends on your perspective.

I'll vote to leave this and let the responses take care of it.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Aw. Come on. This is Democratic Underground, not Independent Underground. There's nothing in this chart that hasn't been discussed repeatedly in one thread or another.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It appears that some elements on DU will not let up until Hillary is the only choice, and can't bear to keep from bashing the Bernie Sanders supporters.

It has turned into a game, but the stakes are too high for such nonsense. Political figures are the rudder to point where we are going.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[William769]

18. That alert was just pitiful. nt

[Aerows]

21. It really was.

Nice to see you, William769 .

[William769]

22. Same here Aerows.

[arcane1]

29. Jeez, it's a silly post but not hide-worthy.

That's the kind of jury service I usually get stuck with

[Agschmid]

42. Same.

[Autumn]

43. Left Leaning Independents.

Where have I head that before. I'll have an ice cream and figure it out.

[Iliyah]

19. I'm not surprised about the alert. Sad tho.

[onehandle]

69. Oh, I fully expected it.

Shocked it wasn't hidden or a closer vote.

[jeff47]

24. So, you complained to the DNC for fundraising off Sanders yet? (nt)

[arcane1]

26. Don't worry, there'll be a new meme tomorrow. At least they admit he's been consistently progressive

Though I'm not sure how much sillier they can get after this fake loyalty crap.

[jeff47]

27. Well, the nice thing about them recycling the same debunked crap is we know what's coming next (nt)

[BainsBane]

33. Actually no, not on all issues.

He has a core, progressive economic message and sticks to it, but he is not progressive on all issues. For example, he's had some bad votes on gun control, voting for immunity for guns manufacturers and against the Brady bill. He is a hawk on Israel and defends the F-35. He also voted for the 1994 crime bills, legislation that has been widely denounced by Sanders supporters themselves (without mentioning he actually voted for it).

[arcane1]

37. And yet he's still more progressive than his main primary opponent.

I agree with him more than I do with any of the other options. That's the point.

[dionysus]

56. the gun immunity things makes sense, sorry to say. if someone illegally obtains a gun and kills some

one with it, how is it the fault of the manufacturer?

they're not the ones running background checks to ensure crazy people don't get guns.

and if it's a stolen or black market gun, how the hell can the manufacturer stop that?

i'm for stringent background checks and against silencers and ridiculously high capacity magazines, but a lawsuit against the gun manufacturer isn't going to hold up in court; because they are not the ones selling guns; gun shops, gun shows, and black market gun dealers are.
it'd be like suing ford is someone stole an F-150 and ran you over. I know it's not a popular stance here, but it's common sense.

outside of urban areas plagues by gun violence using pistols, gun control is not a winning issue for rural dems.

[NanceGreggs]

30. Has Sanders complained ...

... about having the benefits of running for a party he refuses to be a member of yet?

[jeff47]

32. Nope. He, and apparently the DNC, do not mind the arrangement.

Onehandle, on the other hand, seems to only mind half of the arrangement.

[NanceGreggs]

38. The graph in the OP ...

... sets out the facts. I didn't see the OP say anything about the DNC or money raised - did you?

[jeff47]

40. The OP is objecting to Sanders running in the Democratic primary.

The DNC, on the other hand, is raising money based on Sanders running in the Democratic primary.

If Onehandle objects to the first, why isn't he also calling out the second?

[George II]

45. How is the DNC raising money based on Sanders running?

[jeff47]

46. They use him in fundraising campaigns.

Pictures, his name, etc. accompany fundraising letters/emails.

[sheshe2]

57. K~

Any idea how much they made off him yet? You must have a link.

[jeff47]

67. Considering they also have pictures of Clinton and O'Malley in the same campaigns

it's not possible to separate out what they make off Sanders from the other candidates.

Point is the party is happy to have him there, even if the OP is deeply horrified.

[arcane1]

39. Some dumb-ass will probably say Sanders supporters should be banned since he's not a "real" Dem

Nothing would surprise me at this point

[katmille]

49. No, but Bernie doesn't want to be a Democrat

Yet, he wants all of us Democrats to vote for him. I don't think so! I'm a Democrat. Hillary is a life long Democrat. She's earned my vote and my meager contribution to her campaign!

[zeemike]

58. No she started out as a Republican from a stanch Republican family

And was a Goldwater girl...so that is not a life long democrat.

But you make it sound like being a Democrat is something of a religion not a political party.
That is kind or scary to me knowing that means it is more of a cult than a political party that you support because they have the same values as you.

[SunSeeker]

61. Hillary never voted for Goldwater. She's been a Dem since she was old enough to vote. nt

[zeemike]

66. So her life began at 21...

And she joined the Democratic party?...and voted Democratic?...how do you know that?

[SunSeeker]

71. Apparently you think political life begins at conception.

[zeemike]

72. No I think political life beguines when you start working for a political party

And teenagers do make choices too...and those years are part of your whole life.

[SunSeeker]

73. Teens can't vote. Their parents are responsible for them.

Considering that Hillary's family was conservative, it is no wonder she was introduced to politics as a teen through their world. I think it is impressive that Hillary bucked her family and chose the Democratic party as soon as she became an adult was able to vote, rather than choosing our party late in life (after voting for Ronald Reagan) like Elizabeth Warren did, or never joining our party at all, like Bernie.

[zeemike]

74. The statement that she has been a D "her entire life" is false.

And that is what I addressed.
And can you tell us when she joined the Democratic party?...is there any evidence of it?

As for me there is nothing sacred about a political party...what is important is what values they hold. And if you just believe what people say they are for and ignore what they do then you can be fooled.

[SunSeeker]

75. I think the person who said that was referring to her adult (voting) life.

Since that is when you are held responsible for your actions.

And no, what you jumped in this thread to say was that Hillary was a "Goldwater girl," implying she voted for Goldwater and voted Republican at one point in her life. That implication is false.

[zeemike]

76. Do you have a record of how she voted when she turned 21?

Because if you don't then saying she has been a D all of her "voting life" is not based on any fact...I never said she ever voted Republican because I don't know that...and I never implied it.

I judge her on her actions...and they have not been progressive all her "voting life"...but supposedly she has evolved. But I suppose that evolving is better than consistency to some when predicting what she will do if elected.

[SunSeeker]

77. You mean like how Elizabeth Warren voting for Reagan predicted what she would do as Senator?

[zeemike]

78. Evolving is OK for one but not the other?

But Hillary was a senator and her votes were for war and Wall Street...So proof of her evolution is scant, and rely on words not deeds.

[SunSeeker]

80. You're the one arguing evolution is bad, not me.

And Hillary's votes as senator were in line with progressive Dems. That is why Elizabeth Warren said Hillary is "terrific" and hoped she would run for president.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/

[zeemike]

82. So progressives are in line with war and Wall Street.

Thanks for defining them for us.
It means I am not one then, so what am I then, a radical? The triangulation of it is awesome

[SunSeeker]

83. If Hillary was for "war and Wall Street," Elizabeth Warren would not think she was "terrific."

[zeemike]

84. Well judging by her votes and associations she is.

So maybe Warren is a secrete Republican as you suggest...or that what she said is not what you think it means.
But the facts are there and that can only be interpreted in one way.

[SunSeeker]

85. Wow. So you're throwing Elizabeth Warren under the bus.

I do not think Elizabeth Warren is a Republican. Obviously she and many others interpret the "facts" very differently than you do.

[zeemike]

86. Well I am sure you will read into it what you want.

But I am not throwing anyone under the bus...I judge them on their actions not the words.
If Rand Paul would vote for progressive ideals I would give him credit for it and not hold his past against him...that is what I consider fair and just.

And I would do the same for Hillary if she had voted against the war and for holding Wall Street and the war criminals accountable, but she did not. All we get are words...and some of those words are disturbing...like "we came, we saw, he died".

[SunSeeker]

87. Elizabeth Warren knows the facts better than you do and she says Hillary is terrific. nt

[zeemike]

88. And you act as if that is the only thing she has said.

[SunSeeker]

89. There is nothing "devastating" about Warren saying she wants to hear what Hillary wants to do.

That video is just 30 seconds of Warren making the utterly innocuous statement that she wants to hear what Hillary wants to do, that "that is what campaigns are all about." The rest of the over 5 minute video is Cenk carrying on about how Elizabeth Warren could and should run (which she obviously chose not to do).

Elizabeth Warren didn't just say Hillary was terrific, she also said Hillary is out there doing a "lot of good work." Apparently that is why she thinks Hillary is terrific.

[zeemike]

90. Well like i said, you will hear what you want to hear.

But when have you ever heard a senator say anything diferent...I believe they call it comity.
Which is a senatorial thing. They always refer to each other as my good friend.

[SunSeeker]

91. "Comity" did not make Warren sign a letter urging Hillary to run.

And Hillary was not a fellow senator at the time Warren made these statements.

[zeemike]

92. Well the rules of comity still apply to ex senators.

And so what, she signed a letter...that does not imply she thinks she is the right person for the job.

But have it your way, you need all of that to justify her past voting record.

[SunSeeker]

93. Well, Warren didn't sign a letter urging Bernie to run.

[zeemike]

94. Was one ever drafted by the DLC?

[SunSeeker]

95. If one was, Warren didn't sign it. nt

[onehandle]

96. She supported Democrat Eugene McCarthy's antiwar campaign in 1968 and left the GOP for good...

...for the Democratic party when they nominated Nixon, well before the election.

[Armstead]

64. Would you rather he run as a Ralph Nader Third Party canidate?

I love the Catch 22 "damned if you do, damned if you don't" nature of the propaganda.

So he has decided not to risk giving the general election to the GOP by running as a third party spoiler. That's a bad thing?

Yes he also decided there were practical benefits to running in the Democratic primary. But I thought pragmatism is a good thing. I guess pragmatism is bad, unless it is Third Way pragmatism.

[djean111]

25. Let's see - down here in Florida, Debbie Dino is pushing for Patrick Murphy to be the Dem

candidate in the race to run for Rubio's seat. She was actively discouraging those who prefer Alan Grayson. The Florida Progressive causcus was threatened with being dis-empowered or whatever, if it persisted in backing Grayson.

Murphy is 32, and it seems that he was a Republican until 2012, when he switched to being a Democrat - solely to run against Alan West. No epiphany, just convenience.

Alan Grayson is 57, and has always been a Democrat.

I cannot take that timeline thing seriously at all.

[Iliyah]

28. If I were in FL I would vote for Alan G.

Debbie Dino, I like - LOL

[arcane1]

36. A PERFECT example of why "party over principle" is a morally bankrupt position to take.

Republicans have been joining our side for too long, and pulling the Dems rightward as the crazies take over on the repub side.

There is a vast spectrum of ideas in the Dem party, but that doesn't mean all of those ideas are good, or even remotely progressive.

[NCTraveler]

31. Very interesting.

I think this is a post every Sanders and Hillry supporter would give a rec to. Both would view it as a huge positive.

[jberryhill]

34. Yes, but what are their astrological signs?

Have we checked the bumps on their head, and read their palms?

I think they all shit their diapers when they were younger.

Which one do you think used the potty first?

We need more research into the auspices and auguries.

[Quackers]

44. So what you're saying is, only one of those politicians hasn't flip-flopped

And been consistent after all these years.

[HooptieWagon]

47. Shouldn't the point when Hillary voted for war be marked in red?

[840high]

48. Shh - don't upset

[WorseBeforeBetter]

50. Couldn't care less about the timeline...

or whether Sanders has an (I) or (D) behind his name.

Next topic?

[silvershadow]

51. It obvious that party membership isn't the measure...After Reagan, the party has slid ever more

rightward as the Republicans have drug us off the cliff chasing a pipe dream. The true measure is values and what one stands for. If you measure it that way, Bernie is solid as a rock and steady as a metronome. I will let others judge the other candidates by their various and sundry positions.

[Fawke Em]

52. You forgot the line on your graph

when each of these people started supporting fracking, the TPP, the XL pipeline, Big Banks and crony capitalism.

That would be more telling.

[progressoid]

53. Other?

[SunSeeker]

54. K & R

[ibegurpard]

59. Well i guess my Governor isn't a Democrat either

Nor my state representative who is a personal friend and lives right down the street. Since we don't have partisan voter registration here.

[BainsBane]

62. Nor do we, but all my representatives are members of the Democratic Party

and they run for office with DFL next to their names, just as VT's Democratic representatives do.

[ibegurpard]

65. as is Sanders right now

Now...how is he supposed to satisfy this demand since he is a resident of a state that doesn't require it? If the issue is that he hasn't called himself a Democrat until now then we can certainly start talking his ideas again.

[BainsBane]

68. No, he isn't

He hasn't changed his designation in the Senate or joined the party. He is simply running under the banner of the party to take advantage of its resources and organization.

It may not matter to voters like you, but it will probably matter to people who have worked their way up through the ranks of the party, established relationships and networks. Ironically, in the era Sanders hearkens back to, his sort of candidacy would not have been possible since nominations were determined entirely by party leaders.

He has been quite proud of his his being an independent rather than a Democrat. Now some want to pretend that doesn't exist because they find it inconvenient.

[ibegurpard]

79. he is running as a Democrat

Not as an independent. Sorry that pissed you off but it's reality. And in order to register as a Democrat he would have to move to another state since it doesn't exist in Vermont.

[SunSeeker]

81. No, he is running for the Dem nomination.

I have yet to hear him say he IS a Democrat. Got any links with him saying that?

[hedda_foil]

60. The meme of the day from the party insiders: Bernie is an independent, not a Democrat.

I don't think this one is working at all.

By party insiders, I mean the political professionals ... strategists, pundits and candidates' advisors, not people posting on blogs and forums.

[Scuba]

63. Hey, if a pro-war, pro-Wall Street, pro-fracking, pro-TPP, pro-H1B Visas woman can be a Democrat ...

... so can Bernie Sanders.