Question for Bernie Sanders supporters - are Hillary's supporters converting you?

[peacebird]

61 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
	Oh heavens YES YES YES! now I see the light!
	3 (5%)
	You mean converting me into an Independent?
	5 (8%)
	Meh, i have most of them on Ignore
	0 (0%)
	Nope, I Feel The Bern!
	53 (87%)
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[brewens]

1. I'll be converted if, and only if, Hillary wins the nomination. n/t

[StevenOBX]

18. No way

If HRC wins i will vote green or write in Bernie. The party has to stop nominating DINOs and withholding our vote is the only power we have

[passiveporcupine]

26. I'm sorry you feel that way

Because all you might be doing is helping a Republican win. Withholding a vote is NOT "power". And you are not supporting the party in any way shape or form if you don't vote.

Even if you don't get your "perfect" choice, the party needs support to keep the republicans out.

[NCjack]

33. I will agree to support the ticket regardless of the nominee. Will you?

If you don't, you might be helping the GOP win. Deal?

[passiveporcupine]

37. did you reply to the wrong post?

My post was in support of voting in the general for whomever wins the primary.

[NCjack]

44. Arggh! I misinterpreted your message. Apologies.

[A Simple Game]

42. You misread the post, the intent to vote was there.

I too will vote, for Bernie if he wins the nomination and if not for the most liberal candidate that is not pro-war or pro-Wall Street. I certainly don't want to vote for a candidate that will only tell me if she supports Keystone after we blindly elect her President. She can kick that can down someone else's street.

I doubt I will need to do a write-in.

Counter to your thinking I feel that I have thrown my vote away in every election the Democrats have won starting after Carter.

The poster was right, the party will not change if people keep supporting it, that is why the unaffiliated voter group is larger than either major party and growing while the parties are losing members. More and more people are starting to realize that neither party represents the majority of people.

[passiveporcupine]

47. The primary is the place to take a stand and fight for your "best" candidate

We need to start putting up better nominees...but how can we do that if we can't get money out of politics. This is one important reason to help Bernie win. This is his first goal.

After that, I still think you need to keep republicans out of the white house, especially with some key potential supreme court nominations pending. Voting for anything but Dem is giving your vote to the republicans (some people say half a vote...I think it's more like a whole vote).

[A Simple Game]

56. Sadly I can't vote in any primaries, New York doesn't let unaffiliated voters

vote in primaries. One thing I would change if I could. I will not support a party that is that far to the right of my thinking by joining it. In fact Carter probably was my last vote as a registered Democrat but I may have already left the party by that time, I don't remember nor do I care. I probably will rejoin next year just long enough to vote in the primary if it looks like Bernie will need my vote in the primary.

As for your saying not voting for a Dem is giving your vote to a Rep is just foolish. The only way you give your vote to a Republican is to vote for a Republican, anything else is either a vote for someone else or a non-vote. Using your logic I could say not voting for the most liberal candidate available is a vote for a conservative. If a party wants my vote they will run a candidate that deserves it, not someone a little less evil than the other guy. I am too old to keep voting against someone, I will find someone to vote for no matter what their affiliation. Not voting for the best candidate? Now that is a wasted vote.

[pocoloco]

54. Wouldn't it be a lot more efficient to get our right wing shit direct

than having it go through a dem middleman?

[HooptieWagon]

55. I agree.

There isn't enough difference between the republicans and the Third Way to waste my vote on a DINO. The only way to remove their toxic presence in the Dem Party is to stop voting for them. Chase them back into the GOP where they belong.

[Sheepshank]

58. So it's a non Democratic nominee, or none at all?

Why the fuck are you on a Dem web site?

[Adrahil]

68. Then you are being foolish. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

2. As the front runner ...

HRC doesn't need to convert Bernie supporters ... she only has to NOT piss them off to the point of staying home.

Whereas, Bernie ... as the challenger ... has to convert HRC supporters in order to survive.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. Correct.

I must say I'm flattered that I was able to inspire a copycat thread in 5 minutes.

That might be a DU record!

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. LOL ... I saw that. n/t

[whatchamacallit]

13. More of a well deserved mockery

than an imitation.

[peacebird]

6. Unfortunately she is failing in that attempt

[1StrongBlackMan]

8. What has she done to piss Bernie supporters off ...

besides, not folding?

[A Simple Game]

43. Maybe you could clear one thing up for us Bernie supporters.

How does Hillary feel about Keystone?

Not that anyone cares about such a trifle.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

53. The main argument of her surrogates on this website and elsewhere for the past several weeks

is that you shouldn't vote for Bernie because his supporters are terrible people. It would be interesting to see what happens if she wins the primary on that message, but I don't think another year of attacking the intrinsic worth of progressives as human beings would be good for the Democratic Party.

[cui bono]

11. And sadly, that's exactly what a lot of HRC supporters are doing. Or attempting to do anyway.

I dunno, maybe they are setting up an excuse for if HRC wins the primary but loses the general? They can blame it on Bernie supporters, just like everything else they blame them for or accuse them of.

The sig lines I see lately by HRC supporters and supposed ex-Bernie supporters are intentionally mean-spirited. Sad people must go there. I did change my sig too though, in response.

[2banon]

16. ROFL

[daleanime]

24. Yes, we are well aware....

of how little we mean to her campaign, she can't even bring herself to answer our questions. Oh, well, have a great night.

[aspirant]

3. Conversion, sounds religious to me.

[olddots]

4. may I see your papers please ???????

[Purveyor]

12. Making those lists, checking them twice. Need to see

Who is naughty or nice.

[liberal N proud]

9. WOW! Just % %÷$#@ WOW!

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[Cheese Sandwich]

10. Nope.

No one has said anything to make me even remotely consider it.

[HeiressofBickworth]

14. Just the opposite...

Clinton struck the first blow to my support when she said she was an admirer of Henry Kissinger (the unindicted War Criminal)
(September, 2014) http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-world-order

She further reduced my support by saying "I'll take a stand on Keystone when I'm President." (July 31, 2015) No, Hillary, we need your opinion as part of our process of deciding for whom to vote. As a candidate, it is her obligation to answer questions put to her that would express her policy positions.

At this point, I don't think I can vote for her in the primary, however, if she becomes the nominee, I'll have no choice but to vote for her. I'll never vote for a Republican and staying home is just another vote for Republicans.

[TheKentuckian]

15. No, they have been condescending, entittled, snarky, nasty, dance and juke around issues, prone to

swiftboating, fan like, dismissive, love leading from behind while shitting on those they end up championing until that millisecond they "evolve", and generally seem like the other side of the aisle ideologically and worldview wise - essentially Reaganites without the southern strategy, and are absolutely suckers for failed policy and make weak tea excuses for the failures by absurdly blaming liberals who have been completely shut out of decesion making for decades or failing that the TeaPubliKlans they had "met in the middle" or outright appropriated to fashion said fucked up policy.

I find them even less appealing than their phony, shifty, regularly wrongheaded, corporate aligned, always needing forgiveness, fake evolving, finger in the air not as to be responsive but rather on how to tune the same garbage policies that slice the throat of the people and the world we inhabit, "where else do you have to go, suckers?", "embrace the suck", "eat your peas", interventionist, and only can be framed as moderate much less liberal because of the rise of the radical regressives, conservative pols they are in love with though they reflect each other.

I seriously feel like I'm trying to carry on a conversation with Rahm Emmanuel or Lanny Davis and on occasion Dick Morris all too often with a lot of these folks and I never feel the general welfare of the country and it's people are of any particular significance unless it can be used as a sales hook to fatten somebody's bottom line.

[mentalslavery]

17. yep, lots of them feel like trolls

and not very good at it either

[jalan48]

34. I agree-thanks for the rant.

The system has become corrupted by the money of the 1%. The Hillary folks either don't care or don't get it. For them, her winning is all that matters.

[Ed Suspicious]

36. +1

[A Simple Game]

51. Well that certainly was a mouthful.

And I agree with every word of it. My vote for post of the day.

It's becoming apparent that the Hillary supporters that are rabidly against Bernie and his supporters are the same posters that have traditionally been liberal bashers.

[Jack Rabbit]

20. Actually, I pay no attention to Mrs. C's supporters

It's Mrs. C herself who doesn't impress me.

[ibegurpard]

23. precisely

The O'Malley people on this board have been the best-behaved of anyone. They haven't budged me.

[Ed Suspicious]

38. I can agree with that. They're just doing their thing.

But they really haven't felt the Clinton attack machine.

[ibegurpard]

22. I don't make my decisions based on someone's "supporters"

Anyone who does is an idiot who shouldn't be voting.

[Moonwalk]

39. I do. And I will given posts like this. This is converting me to Clinton...

...I'm undecided, and so far, it' the Bernie supporters who've struck me as condescending, snarky, self-righteous and all the rest. And trying to "convert" me to their religion.

Threads like this show me I don't want to vote for because his followers are turning my stomach with their negativity towards another democratic candidate and her supporters. So far as I'm concerned, if you can't see that we're all on the most important side together, if you insist on dividing us and abusing each other, then I don't want anything to do with you.

As for Clinton supporters who do all this...when I see one of these threads from them on the DU home page, I'll say the same. But so far, I haven't seen any. The only ones that keep appearing on the home page are ones like these. So, you're the only ones who look like what you're accusing Clinton supporters of looking like—to me.

Seriously, everything said here about Clinton supporters and how not converted Bernie supporters feel...that's what threads like this make me feel towards Bernie and his supporters. Exactly the same. So look in a mirror. You're becoming the spitting image of those you most dislike.

[femmedem]

46. I'm a Bernie supporter but I will absolutely vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination.

And when I took one of those online quizzes about which candidates' positions align most with yours, I was 98% with Bernie, but also 92% with Clinton. The Republicans were almost off-the-scale not aligned with my views: I think Ted Cruz and I agree on 3% of our positions.

So I hope you'll factor me if you're letting other candidates' supporters sway you.

[ibegurpard]

52. It's unfortunate that you decide who to vote for

Based on whether someone was "mean" to you on a message board.

[Hatchling]

63. It would be unfortunate for Hillary as well.

If the vitriol from some (few) of her supporters affects a potential voter for her in the the general election then those same (few) supporter's might as well give their vote to a republican.












edited primaries to the general election. my bad

[silenttigersong]

25. Bernie

Will have the Bully pulpit,he will help reform the so called Dem party,more greens independents will begin to take state seats govs ect ,he will enable The 1st Progressive Women Prez Elizabeth Warren!I know Hillary supporters that pains you to hear it,but Hillary is faux progressive,and that is not what we need more of the same.

[Bobbie Jo]

27. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Copycat threads are fun!

Original, not so much...

[lobodons]

28. The winner in 2016 will be

the one who successfully wins more votes in the General that they didn't get within their party in the Primary.

Bush won that battle in 2000 (Gore just needed a few hundred more voters from the Nader camp to be loyal to the Dem party. Thats just a few hundred out of 90,000!!) and as a result we have Justice Alito and Roberts.

Let's not let that happen in 2016!!

[Hydra]

35. Uh, wrong!

Gore won in 2000. Another example plz.

[lobodons]

40. I know what you are saying

It was hard for to type that. But 90,000 Nader Votes in Florida alone!!?? Not with standing all the other BS that happened in Florida I/E voter suppression, legit voters voters kicked off rolls, neglect to count the votes and Kathern Harris etc etc., Florida should not have been an issue. 90,000 f'n votes for Nader. Florida should not have been close. And to think 2016 is setting up much like 2000 and as a result we will get a SCOTUS of 6-3 or 7-2 in majority with Scalia and Thomas writing the winning opinions. I do not like Hillary all that much, but the thought of Scalia routinely writing 7-2 majority opinions keeps me up at night!!!!!!

[Hydra]

48. There were more than 80,000 votes Gore should have gotten

It wasn't "close." Kerry ran into the same problem. Obama choose not to investigate that for reasons he never truly disclosed.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Establishment has gone so far right that the ghost of Nixon is wondering what they are doing off his port bow and rowing rightward. HRC is practically Poppy Bush's adopted daughter in law. How are people of principle supposed to reconcile that? Support for the Republican Party 2.0? It's the only way to save our nation from the even further Right?

If the party doesn't get with it, it won't BE a third party we move to- it will be the new party vs the Republicans.

[jeepers]

60. you have Alito Roberts and Bush

beacuse the DNC ran two of the most lackluster legacies imaginable and one outright republican. Gore Kerry and Lieberman. It was the DNC dismal campaign that led to their defeat. It was the democratic party leadership that couldn't talk to the people that brought us eight years of Bush. Not Ralph Nader . And when we did win with the DNC and got Bill and Obama mostly what we got was another day older and deeper in debt. Now you and the DNC want to run another wall street winner on by us.

Indeed lets not let that happen 2016.

Enough is enough we aren't going to take it anymore

[Hatchling]

64. And if I had stayed loyal to my abusive husband...

Oh never mind.. wasting my time.

[HerbChestnut]

29. Nope

When your argument is, "Well, she's going to win no matter what so you might as well vote for her." I'm sorry, that's no reason to vote for anybody, and those who are supporting Clinton just because she's the frontrunner I would hope you have a change of heart. You'll never get things like national healthcare, paid parental leave, free college tuition, etc. if you don't go out and vote for it.

[sadoldgirl]

30. I will counter your question with another one:

Let us just say that only 50,000 people of the
100,000 Bernie reached the other day became
true Bernie supporters. Do you think that HRC
will get their vote, if she is nominated?
Especially the younger ones?

I leave you to it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. In my case, that goes on the Fat Chance shelf.

[Hydra]

32. As others have said, quite the opposite

But as others have said too, Presidential Hopeful Clinton is sinking her own boat...her supporters are just following her lead and pointing out her shortcomings by saying she's championing causes she isn't. The Minimum wage thing is a great example- several of her cheerleaders declared that she supported the $15 per hour minimum wage, even though she had only made polite noises that maybe we could do better than currently. 2 days later, Clinton came out for a much lower number.

XX

No, I assumed Clinton would inevitably win the nomination and that I would have to vote for her in the General. I've been driven from that position to having to support whatever truly left of center runner we get. We can't have another DLCer in the WH. It's caused too much damage the last 4 terms.

[Maedhros]

41. I am not swayed by personality cults. [n/t]

[tularetom]

45. I put the HC group on full ignore

What they were saying about Senator Sanders didn't bother me although it was sort of juvenile.

What did bother me was the embarrassing tone they took when worshiping their Chosen One.

I haven't seen idol worship like that since my sister went into convulsions over Elvis Presley in 1957 or so and it makes me feel sort of queasy to see allegedly adult posters using that kind of language to describe a politician and a rather poor, centrist, charisma challenged, conventional wisdom spouting politician at that.

The whole place reminded me of a junior high school election for class president - "Hillary is so cool and Bernie is a geek".

[John Crock]

49. why hillary lost last time- repeated

Hillarly lost last time because of all the things from the past dragged up again and again. Bernie isnt beholding and why he wins

[jimlup]

50. So a Hillary supporter campaigning at a recent Art fair asked:

Will you be with us in the General? I responded by saying that the real question is: Will you(Hillary supporters) be with us(Bernie Supporters) in the general?

[Douglas Carpenter]

57. No, just totally lacking in ANY introspection and willing to say

ANYTHING - ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING!

[Agschmid]

62. So why the quotes?

I can't wait to hear why?

[brooklynite]

61. Question for Hillary Clinton supporters - are Bernie's supporters converting you?

...because Hillary Clinton has CONSISTENTLY polled at 55-60% for the past year. That means the Sanders has a max of 40-45% in non-Hillary votes to get; to WIN, he (and his supporters) will have to pry away some existing Clinton support. Any convincing arguments so far?

[whatchamacallit]

65. They've convinced me humans won't make it into the 22nd century

Too petty, shortsighted, and resistant to change to survive.

[Martin Eden]

66. Hillary converted me in October 2002

When she voted to give GW Bush authority to invade Iraq. She forever lost my vote in Democratic primaries. Same applies to Kerry, Biden, and anyone else who was too stupid to understand what that vote meant, or thought it was politically advantageous to be a hawk at that time, or was on board with the neocon agenda.

[Adrahil]

67. Nobody is converting anyone here. It's a mud pit, and not much more.

I'm certainly not convinced by Clinton attacks by Bernie supporters. That's for sure.