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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:27 PM Aug 2015

Poll: Why is Joe Biden suddenly & belatedly jumping into the Democratic Primary race?

Why is Joe Biden suddenly jumping into this Democratic Primary race?


32 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Because he's a politician who'll be unemployed soon
1 (3%)
Because Establishment Dems think he can beat Sanders and Hillary can't
17 (53%)
Because he thinks Hillary is too conservative & Barnie's too far-Left.
0 (0%)
Because Joe's a glutton for punishment
1 (3%)
Because he can.
2 (6%)
1-5 All of the above
1 (3%)
Combination of ... above
2 (6%)
Other (please specify)
8 (25%)
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Poll: Why is Joe Biden suddenly & belatedly jumping into the Democratic Primary race? (Original Post) 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 OP
Is he? nt LWolf Aug 2015 #1
No. he simply said he hadn't decided not to yet. Scootaloo Aug 2015 #12
Every time he doesn't close the door, LWolf Aug 2015 #14
That's the reason I want him to run. It will help Bernie as Joe and Hillary fight for the sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #73
I keep reminding myself of this exact thing. nt LWolf Aug 2015 #85
Because his son asked him to run. Sunlei Aug 2015 #2
yes he did. big_dog Aug 2015 #66
yes, and Mrs. Clinton and Joe Biden as a team could win. Sunlei Aug 2015 #79
Why would he want to be VP again? artislife Aug 2015 #86
That team can work it out, eithers fine with me. Sunlei Aug 2015 #89
If Kerry ran again, it would be another 2004-style campaign. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #100
this. n/t lapfog_1 Aug 2015 #77
If such is the case Xyzse Aug 2015 #84
Poll assumes fact not yet in evidence WheelWalker Aug 2015 #3
My thoughts. nt artislife Aug 2015 #25
Push poll. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #4
To vacuum up all the anybody-but-clinton votes so Hillary can sail to the nomination Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #5
hmmm. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #6
Or more accurately probably... Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #8
Because he connects the best with working class voters and matches up best vs GOP candidate MBplayer Aug 2015 #7
Because the establishment is afraid of the traditional American values and policies Todays_Illusion Aug 2015 #9
Is he? Agschmid Aug 2015 #10
I don't know why Biden would be talking about it so much now 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #11
Hillary has an October investigation date just decided this past week, Re emails. appalachiablue Aug 2015 #42
Ok. I did not know about the Oct. investigation 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #46
It's Oct. 22 on Benghazi, whatev, aways smthg. appalachiablue Aug 2015 #49
LOL - Oct. 22 is my birthday. nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #50
Then that means you have a direct connection to Bengazi! What did you do?!?! Quackers Aug 2015 #96
A total coincidence, i assure you .. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #97
It's like 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, Benghazi edition! Quackers Aug 2015 #98
I seriously doubt he will enter the race Godhumor Aug 2015 #13
I agree it should have been an option 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #17
He hasn't made the comments Godhumor Aug 2015 #40
there is nothing sudden about it JI7 Aug 2015 #15
That makes really good sense. Thank you. nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #19
If he does it will be because it is his last opportunity to run. Problem is he should still_one Aug 2015 #16
He would only jump in if he senses that Hillary is vulnerable. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #18
Hillary IS vulnerable. mimi85 Aug 2015 #23
Perhaps, but Biden has to believe it before he'll jump in. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #41
Perhaps mixed signals remain subject to disclosure. Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2015 #20
UNREC brooklynite Aug 2015 #21
Joe's not running 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #26
He's not... brooklynite Aug 2015 #30
From your lips 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #32
I suspect its because he's had other concerns. Like his son. Armstead Aug 2015 #22
Because he doesn't have as many negatives as Hillary. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #24
Because Hillary is in trouble mainstreetonce Aug 2015 #27
check appalachiablue Aug 2015 #43
Because he's afraid Jane Austin Aug 2015 #28
As if the man who couldn't get more than 1% the two times he ran for president could do better now. Beacool Aug 2015 #31
She has an october 22 investigation date as of this past week Re Benghazi. appalachiablue Aug 2015 #44
The second choice is a joke, but I see that it got the most votes. Beacool Aug 2015 #29
yes .. judging from some comments 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #34
Ratings go up and they go down. Beacool Aug 2015 #35
Joe Could win this! johnson_z Aug 2015 #33
I don't see either Sanders or Biden winning the general election. Beacool Aug 2015 #37
I think Biden has a very good chance, because... johnson_z Aug 2015 #39
Part of the reason why I don't think that either man would win is their age. Beacool Aug 2015 #58
Then we should push for O'Malley since the other three are Old. artislife Aug 2015 #65
I can't get past that Anita Hill /Clarence Thomas hearing and subsequent appointment of SCOTUS 2banon Aug 2015 #82
If he does jump in....it will irrevocably sink Bernie nt Sheepshank Aug 2015 #36
This is probably true, johnson_z Aug 2015 #38
It is what it is...I just want a Dem in the WH. Sheepshank Aug 2015 #47
I'm not so sure about that. winter is coming Aug 2015 #45
My opinion is a little different Sheepshank Aug 2015 #48
I disagree. winter is coming Aug 2015 #53
inclined to agree ... l believe it's going to be an economic class division libdem4life Aug 2015 #52
That's how I see it, winter. senz Aug 2015 #62
I see it this way, too. Hiraeth Aug 2015 #75
nonsense ibegurpard Aug 2015 #70
You said: "support for Bernie is NOT simply "anyone but Hillary"" Sheepshank Aug 2015 #71
I'm not surprised I could have "fooled you" ibegurpard Aug 2015 #72
I thought we'd all tried to move beyond insults? Sheepshank Aug 2015 #74
I don't insult people who are obviously genuine ibegurpard Aug 2015 #88
Better question. Why has there been a whole bunch of articles the last day... PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #51
Because a reporter asked him yesterday Jane Austin Aug 2015 #55
Next question is: Who is behind the push? artislife Aug 2015 #56
Because Establishment Dems think he could win the GE and Hillary maybe can't now mr_liberal Aug 2015 #54
If Hillary falters, then Gore, Kerry, Gillibrand, Kaine may be pressured to run to NYCButterfinger Aug 2015 #60
Don't forget O'Malley. He's in. nt senz Aug 2015 #64
He's the backup quarterback pscot Aug 2015 #57
Emails nt Depaysement Aug 2015 #59
Because Hillary looks beatable Yupster Aug 2015 #61
Maureen Dowd's most recent column is on this subject. senz Aug 2015 #63
Yeah, MoDo strikes again. Beacool Aug 2015 #92
Because he thinks there is a market for a "Bernie" lite Douglas Carpenter Aug 2015 #67
Because he wants an excuse to do donuts in the Trans Am before a campaign event? Arkana Aug 2015 #68
I think this has to do with Clinton's email problems. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #69
Other - tptb are freaking out. polichick Aug 2015 #76
"Why is Joe Biden suddenly & belatedly jumping into the Democratic Primary race?" NCTraveler Aug 2015 #78
I was shocked.... artislife Aug 2015 #80
Read a NYT Op Ed (Dowd) asking: "What Would Beau Do" 2banon Aug 2015 #81
MoDo is a known anti-Clinton basher since the 90s. Beacool Aug 2015 #91
I'm aware of Dowd's biases and pov inclinations. 2banon Aug 2015 #93
I disregard most things that Dowd states. Beacool Aug 2015 #95
Dowd is an equal opportunity politician basher. She goes after political figures in both parties 2banon Aug 2015 #104
Unfavorable trust ratings for HC fadedrose Aug 2015 #83
IF he does Wabbajack_ Aug 2015 #87
VP Biden will let us know for sure about September-October Sunlei Aug 2015 #90
Voted "Other." Hillary is in trouble and losing support... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #94
To help the nation's comedians? Ken Burch Aug 2015 #99
I did not vote in your poll! akbacchus_BC Aug 2015 #101
Better question: Why did MAUREEN DOWD say that Biden was jumping in? MADem Aug 2015 #102
He probably has an inside connection at the Justice Department customerserviceguy Aug 2015 #103

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
14. Every time he doesn't close the door,
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:54 PM
Aug 2015

a whole bunch of people get really excited.

I should probably want him to run, since I think he'd get a big chunk of Clinton's support, but I don't.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
73. That's the reason I want him to run. It will help Bernie as Joe and Hillary fight for the
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 11:10 AM
Aug 2015

vote she has, the part of the base that remains. Which is a very small part of the electorate as it is.

Most of the polls we see show Bernie gaining re the Dem base. Hillary still has a big, but diminishing lead as people gradually learn about Bernie.

What no polls are showing are the other voting blocs.

Indies, non-voters who gave up on the status quo but are slowly learning about Bernie some already signing up for his campaign.

Moderate Repubs, Libertarians but the Indy vote is the biggest voting bloc in the country right now with people fleeing both parties and either dropping out altogether or registering as Independents.

No status quo candidate will attract any of those demographics.

Fortunately we have Bernie to get that huge combined vote.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
79. yes, and Mrs. Clinton and Joe Biden as a team could win.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 12:08 PM
Aug 2015

I wish Kerry was interested in a run for president again, as well.

We Ds are fortunate to have so many great Americans who want to be president.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
86. Why would he want to be VP again?
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 02:53 PM
Aug 2015

I am assuming you think Hillary will lead the ticket, but you may be suggesting the reverse? Not sure.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
100. If Kerry ran again, it would be another 2004-style campaign.
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:19 AM
Aug 2015

Nothing would be allowed to be different. And he'd still try to triangulate between war and peace-which still couldn't possibly work as a political strategy.

We must never run any campaign the way we did in 1984, 1988 or 2004 again.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
8. Or more accurately probably...
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:44 PM
Aug 2015

To vacuum up a large share of the undecided votes so Hillary can sail through to the nomination.

MBplayer

(73 posts)
7. Because he connects the best with working class voters and matches up best vs GOP candidate
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:44 PM
Aug 2015

GOP cannot counter with the "authenticity" card with Joe at the top of the ticket.

When our candidate cannot connect with the foot soldiers of the Democratic party, we lose. Every. Single. Time.



Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
9. Because the establishment is afraid of the traditional American values and policies
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:46 PM
Aug 2015

Bernie's is busy reminding us of the policies that once made us a great nation including the free college plus living stipend for the WWII vets, nearly free state colleges for the children of those vets.

The importance and necessity of Social Security/Medicare and a true national health plan.

Something we once had via all those free clinics in every county of the U.S., closed when it was decided that health care must be all for profits only, not care of the people of a nation, all those other liberal ideas, separation of church and state, political and equality for all citizens
and most of all a necessary pay increase for U.S. Workers.

old time U.S. liberal ideas.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
11. I don't know why Biden would be talking about it so much now
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:49 PM
Aug 2015

if he wasn't going to declare soon. Do you?

appalachiablue

(41,180 posts)
42. Hillary has an October investigation date just decided this past week, Re emails.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:24 PM
Aug 2015

Joe popped up by Thurs.-Fri. See a factor? as in if she doesn't do well with that, he's the fall back guy. She also came out as seriously dropping in the Quinnepeac Poll this past week.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
46. Ok. I did not know about the Oct. investigation
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:18 PM
Aug 2015

i knew the e-mail thing was dogging her, but not that it was
hurting her all that badly.

So yes it makes sense that Joe's warming up in the bull pen.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
17. I agree it should have been an option
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:59 PM
Aug 2015

but the reason it wasn't is I can't imagine why Joe would be making
so much noise about "maybe running" if he wasn't about to announce.

Since you think he's not running, what purpose would his comments
have, if he's not really running?

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
40. He hasn't made the comments
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 05:25 PM
Aug 2015

"Sources close to Biden" have made the comments.

I think we're in the doldrums before the campaign proper so any rumor becomes both newsworthy and of great importance.

JI7

(89,276 posts)
15. there is nothing sudden about it
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:56 PM
Aug 2015

He has slways had interest but because if his son's illness and passing it wasn't something he could focus on then.

Now he is again looking at it.

still_one

(92,433 posts)
16. If he does it will be because it is his last opportunity to run. Problem is he should
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:57 PM
Aug 2015

have announced earlier

Hillary has solidified her doners, and support among mainstream Democrats especially in regard to super delegates, and Biden is going to have a tough time overcoming that. Bernie and for that matter O'Malley are going at a grass roots support strategy. Again, Joe will have a tough time with that route because he is jumping in late in te game. Not impressed is single, but definitely uphill

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
18. He would only jump in if he senses that Hillary is vulnerable.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:59 PM
Aug 2015

Joe's a politician and a good one. Politicians like to win elections--especially the biggest one of all, the US presidential election. Joe would love to be president.

If he were to jump in it would only be because he senses a real opening and a good chance to win. And has lots of donors lined up. I'm sure he's talked to supporters who have doubts about Hillary's chances against the republicans. They see her polling negatives after relentless right wing attacks.

I doubt he views Sanders as a real threat. That could change, but Bernie's polling numbers are still too low to frighten him from getting into the race.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
41. Perhaps, but Biden has to believe it before he'll jump in.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 05:49 PM
Aug 2015

If he doesn't see a way to win, he's not going to try.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
26. Joe's not running
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:46 PM
Aug 2015

until he is.

Why then is he all over the news suggesting that he's going to announce?
People don't do that generally unless it's a run-up to an announcement.

brooklynite

(94,757 posts)
30. He's not...
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 03:54 PM
Aug 2015

There is nothing he's done to suggest he's running; no dramatic speeches; no hitting the road to support other candidates and collect political chits; no reaching out to potential funders. The only thing there have been are news stories citing unnamed aides suggesting he's THINKING about running.

As to WHY he won't be running: he's at the top of his career right now, and is smart enough to know that campaigning against Hillary Clinton will be a huge challenge with no guarantees. He'll be far happier ending on a high note, rather than being remembered as the person who ran for President three times and lost.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
32. From your lips
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 04:00 PM
Aug 2015

to God/Goddess' ears.

I have a lot of respect for Joe, and would not enjoy having to 'vote against' him,
but I still would, vote for Sanders ...

Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
28. Because he's afraid
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 03:08 PM
Aug 2015

Hillary will implode and a Republican will win.

Her high distrust numbers might do her in.

appalachiablue

(41,180 posts)
44. She has an october 22 investigation date as of this past week Re Benghazi.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:27 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:19 PM - Edit history (1)

hence joe just stepped in. also the recent quinnepac poll shows her dropping.

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
35. Ratings go up and they go down.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 04:15 PM
Aug 2015

It's too soon for people to either panic or cheer, depending on one's preference.

johnson_z

(45 posts)
33. Joe Could win this!
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 04:02 PM
Aug 2015

All the criticisms against Vice President Biden have no depth!

He says goofy things once in a while, but don't we all? He is one of us. There are no scandals, there are no accusations of any substance, I say again, he can win this!

I'm in my 50s, and Senator/Vice President "Joe" has always been there, he has been around long enough to have the sort of history that qualifies him to be the "Elder Statesman", the "Adult Supervision", the "voice of reason", he is what this country needs!

While I would love to see us elect the first Woman as president, Secretary Clinton has a lot of baggage that would make this election too much about defense, and not enough about offense.

Just my $0.02.

J.

P.S. I am sort of pissed off that my spell checker says Biden is not a word

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
37. I don't see either Sanders or Biden winning the general election.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 04:19 PM
Aug 2015

I'm not even sure about Hillary. Will the majority of Americans want Democrats to remain in the WH for three consecutive terms? That's still a big if....

johnson_z

(45 posts)
39. I think Biden has a very good chance, because...
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 04:36 PM
Aug 2015

I think in the current national, and world situation has people looking for stability, calm, common sense. As much as I would love to see Bernie Sanders' down to Earth sanity in the White House, I think he is too far out of the main stream to be elected.

Joe Biden, has been a rock steady icon and and a voice of reason. I hope this is not considered offensive, but he could be the Democratic version of ronald reagan. There have been times when I have, sort of held my nose, and cast my vote, but there just isn't a lot of down side, baggage etc., where Joe Biden is concerned. I admit to being a supporter (and therefore a little biased), but I truly think Joe can win this!

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
58. Part of the reason why I don't think that either man would win is their age.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:00 PM
Aug 2015

Hillary would be a few months younger than Reagan was by inauguration day, and many are already making age comparisons. Sanders and Biden are in their 70s. They would be close to 80 by the end of their first term (Biden will be 73 this year and Sanders 74). I don't see either of them winning.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
65. Then we should push for O'Malley since the other three are Old.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:48 AM
Aug 2015



I mean, Reagan was befuddled during his whole 8 years, so I wouldn't want to chance it with H.



 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
82. I can't get past that Anita Hill /Clarence Thomas hearing and subsequent appointment of SCOTUS
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 12:36 PM
Aug 2015

Biden had a significant role in how all that unfolded and eventually turned into a confirmation of the one who should never, ever have been nominated. NOT EVER.

johnson_z

(45 posts)
38. This is probably true,
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 04:19 PM
Aug 2015

Do you consider that okay, assuming Vice President Biden has a good chance (better than Bernie's) of winning the general election?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
47. It is what it is...I just want a Dem in the WH.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:24 PM
Aug 2015

I didn't voice a preference, just my opinion of a possible outcome.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
45. I'm not so sure about that.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:31 PM
Aug 2015

Biden is a status quo candidate. Sanders isn't. My guess is that the majority of Sanders supporters are anti-status quo, no matter who the status quo candidate is. If that's the case, Sanders' numbers will stay where they are, and Hillary's could drop.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
48. My opinion is a little different
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:29 PM
Aug 2015

If Biden decides to run, he will draw some of Hillary, some of the undecideds, but also a significant number of Bernie supporters. He after all a Dem and is not Hillary. Biden is jumping in so late, he can't fundraise fast or big enough. He will withdraw, and ask his supporters to support Hillary. Granted some will move back to Bernie, but not all, and by then the damage is done to Bernie's candidacy.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
53. I disagree.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:27 PM
Aug 2015

If someone's hung up enough on Bernie running as a Dem when he hasn't been an "official" Dem that they'll abandon him for Joe, they wouldn't be supporting Bernie in the first place.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
52. inclined to agree ... l believe it's going to be an economic class division
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:12 PM
Aug 2015

And many had given up. I see Bernie getting most of these and the discontented ...those who vote and hold their noses. Who knows what the Republican Primary will bring up, too.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
62. That's how I see it, winter.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 01:37 AM
Aug 2015

Biden and Hillary occupy the same status quo niche. Bernie is in a different category. Thus, status quo voters who wish they didn't have to vote for Hillary will welcome a Biden appearance. I can't see many Bernie voters jumping over to Biden.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
70. nonsense
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:10 AM
Aug 2015

People who are supporting Bernie are not going to flock to Joe Biden. Despite your attempts at oversimplification, support for Bernie is NOT simply "anyone but Hillary." There are several other candidates in the mix currently that are gaining no traction. If you are successful in derailing Bernie Sanders you will simply cause many people who haven't been excited about a candidate for a long time to sink back into apathy.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
71. You said: "support for Bernie is NOT simply "anyone but Hillary""
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 11:01 AM
Aug 2015

judging by many posts here on DU, you could have fooled me.

But again, it's all conjecture and opinion, so you may feel a there is a different type of loyalty for Sanders, and that's ok too.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
72. I'm not surprised I could have "fooled you"
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 11:09 AM
Aug 2015

Considering everything I've seen from you so far. If Bernie wasn't in it I wouldn't be clamoring for anyone else because I don't believe anyone else would be authentically pushing the issues that he is. Warren said she wasn't running and O'Malley despite his rhetoric and the record people are trying to highlight, just doesn't ring true to me for some reason. I have ALWAYS liked Bernie Sanders for his views on issues.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
74. I thought we'd all tried to move beyond insults?
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 11:24 AM
Aug 2015

While you are into Bernie or nothing. That's fine. i don't thik you are 100% representative of all the Bernie supporters. And I've read a fair few that are in Bernie's camp because he's not Hillary...and that it is.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
51. Better question. Why has there been a whole bunch of articles the last day...
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:46 PM
Aug 2015

implying that he might be jumping in?

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
56. Next question is: Who is behind the push?
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:53 PM
Aug 2015

Could it be that other people besides progressives are lukewarm on Hillary?

 

mr_liberal

(1,017 posts)
54. Because Establishment Dems think he could win the GE and Hillary maybe can't now
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:46 PM
Aug 2015

because of the email scandal.

It depends on if her numbers keep getting worse. She'll beat socialist Sanders no matter what. But Dem party insiders are getting worried about the GE.

Biden could enter the race just as a safety valve. If Hillary collapses (in the national polls for the GE) then the party could rally around him in the primaries.

 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
60. If Hillary falters, then Gore, Kerry, Gillibrand, Kaine may be pressured to run to
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:55 PM
Aug 2015

be better alternatives. Gillibrand and Kaine can win, but Gore and Kerry were seen as uninspiring by some of the Democratic base in 2000 and 2004, but they beat Dubya in the debates. Kerry can be a good candidate, he can self-fund, and he has impressive credentials, and he won't allow Rove to swift boat him as he did in 2004.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
57. He's the backup quarterback
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:58 PM
Aug 2015

These people are all 70 years old. It would be a big mistake not to have a fallback.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
61. Because Hillary looks beatable
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 12:03 AM
Aug 2015

and every candidate once they get the taste of running for president never lose it.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
69. I think this has to do with Clinton's email problems.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:21 AM
Aug 2015

Establishment Democrats don't believe Sanders can win, and they want a backup in case Hillary's email story (or possibly some other story) gets legs.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
78. "Why is Joe Biden suddenly & belatedly jumping into the Democratic Primary race?"
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 12:00 PM
Aug 2015

Completely missed his announcement. Do you have a link? Love myself some Biden.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
80. I was shocked....
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 12:14 PM
Aug 2015

By some of the comments about Joe when his son died. The Right really has a group that does not like him and the comments were pretty vile.

I hope Joe and Jill do what is best for Joe and Jill.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
81. Read a NYT Op Ed (Dowd) asking: "What Would Beau Do"
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 12:27 PM
Aug 2015

her theory seems to be the establishment Dems are worried about HRC's declining poll numbers on trust and authenticity. (paraphrasing the main thrust of her piece).

I have to say, I found it as likely a theory as any other. Although, a rather scatter shot "analysis" at best.

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
91. MoDo is a known anti-Clinton basher since the 90s.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:14 PM
Aug 2015

Hillary must have stolen her boyfriend in another lifetime. Her vitriol is always way over the top when it comes to Hillary. I would take with a grain of salt anything she writes. She also trashed Gore in the past, and after lauding Obama in the primaries, she went after him too once he became president.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
93. I'm aware of Dowd's biases and pov inclinations.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 11:46 AM
Aug 2015

However, this piece was about Biden's considerations for running.

Yes, she cited the most recent Quinnipiac poll as regards HRC's unfavorability trend, if that's the bit which prompted you to discredit Dowd's op ed, but that factual point aside, her main thrust of this piece (albeit scatter shot, almost incoherent ramblings) was in reference to Biden's entry into the race, citing conversation between Beau and Joe..

I missed all of the other stuff you pointed out. She only came on my radar during Bush Cheney years, with absolutely brilliant pieces.

Everyone on DU seemed to love her then.

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
95. I disregard most things that Dowd states.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 08:26 PM
Aug 2015

She has preferences and dislikes that color her columns. In other words, I take anything she writes with a grain of salt. She changes like the wind.

Here's an article from 2007 about Dowd:

"But then, why should pundits criticize Coulter when she describes Dem males as big “f*ggots?” It’s very similar to the gender-based “analysis” their dauphine, the Comptesse Maureen Dowd, has long offered. In Dowd’s work, John Edwards is routinely “the Breck Girl”(five times so far—and counting), and Gore is “so feminized that he’s practically lactating.” Indeed, two days before we voted in November 2000, Dowd devoted her entire column, for the sixth time, to an imaginary conversation between Gore and his bald spot. “I feel pretty,” her headline said (pretending to quote Gore’s inner thoughts).That was the image this idiot wanted you carrying off to the voting booth with you! Such is the state of Maureen Dowd’s broken soul. And such is the state of her cohort."

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh030507.shtml


For more than twenty years, New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd has been attacking Hillary Clinton from a shallow well of insults, routinely portraying the former secretary of state and first lady as an unlikeable, power-hungry phony.

Media Matters analyzed 195 columns by Dowd since November 1993 containing significant mentions of Clinton for whether they included any of 16 negative tropes in five categories (listed in the below methodology). 72 percent (141 columns) were negative towards Clinton -- only 8 percent (15 columns) were positive. The remaining 20 percent (39 columns) were neutral.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/18/the-numbers-behind-maureen-dowds-21-year-long-c/199752



Maureen Dowd shared some of her early observations of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign on Sunday, and the recommendations she offers in the editorial are — surprise! — steeped in sexism.

In a New York Times op-ed (with the apt headline “Granny Get Your Gun”), Dowd bemoans the former secretary of state’s apparent problem of not being able to “figure out how to campaign as a woman,” and notes some behaviors Clinton might want to try and avoid if she plans to gear her campaign away from the “foolishness of acting like a masculine woman” (as in 2008) while also illustrating “that bitch is still the new black”:

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/20/basking_in_estrogen_maureen_dowd_offers_predictably_sexist_take_on_hillary_clintons_campaign/


Like an obsessed Anne Harrington in All About Eve, New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd has been writing about Hillary Clinton for more than two decades, comparing her to characters from Scarlett O’Hara to the Terminator.

Dowd has written 195 columns about Hillary Clinton since 1993, according to an analysis by the liberal group Media Matters, released on Wednesday. An advance copy of the review was provided to BuzzFeed by the organization.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/heres-what-you-learn-from-reading-20-years-worth-of-maureen#.tqOMdKr40




 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
104. Dowd is an equal opportunity politician basher. She goes after political figures in both parties
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:12 PM
Aug 2015

during the 8 long tortuous years of the Bush Cheney regime, I read her columns fairly regularly. Never in those 8 years do I recall ever reading Dowd engaging in criticizing HRC. Although, I may have missed those.

She goes after figures in power or who hunger to be in positions of power.

Dowd's perspective is not exactly unique. She's expressing a pov which is more common and widely shared than some would rather not admit.

just in case there's some confusion, Dowd is no fan of republicans, nor am I.

Wabbajack_

(1,300 posts)
87. IF he does
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 02:58 PM
Aug 2015

It will be because he wants to be President. He's run twice before so that much is obvious. Hillary or no he'd stand a much better chance this time as VP then did in 08 or 88 as a Senator.

I've always liked Joe Biden, I think he'd make a good President. Though I prefer Sanders.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
94. Voted "Other." Hillary is in trouble and losing support...
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:16 PM
Aug 2015

Biden is he closest candidate to the corporate-centrist outlook of Hillary. They are afraid of Sanders, esp. if he. were to win the presidency. On this last note, the Democratic Party "leadership" would be faced with two options: (1) Oppose Sanders' influence and policies while he governs, thus making his presidency a failure, or (2) Organize to help a Sanders agenda and thus end the pro-corporate/financial orientation of the Party for which the "leadership" has worked long and hard.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
101. I did not vote in your poll!
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:40 AM
Aug 2015

Just wanted to add an explanation. VP Biden buried two children, parents are not supposed to bury their children, he is dealing with a lot of emotional trauma and your poll is disrespectful. VP Biden is not running for the Presidency as far as I know. Have some respect for a Dad who is facing some serious family matters.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
102. Better question: Why did MAUREEN DOWD say that Biden was jumping in?
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 03:08 AM
Aug 2015

She loves to open cans of worms. http://www.salon.com/2015/08/03/biden_2016_is_a_media_fantasy_why_hes_almost_certainly_going_to_sit_the_race_out/

Biden 2016 is a media fantasy: Why he’s almost certainly going to sit the race out
Joe Biden probably isn't running for president, despite the latest round of Maureen Dowd-fueled speculation



.....The basic information here isn’t new – the Wall Street Journal quoted Democratic insider and fervent Biden backer Dick Harpootlian over a month ago saying “It’s no secret that Beau wanted him to run.” But the detail Dowd provides is new, and that leads to the question of who Dowd’s source is. She quotes Joe Biden and describes his thoughts, which at first glance would seem to indicate that Biden himself passed along this information. But that’s not necessarily the case – you have to remember that this is Maureen Dowd we’re talking about here. She specializes in pretending to crawl inside people’s heads. In February she wrote a column describing Mitt Romney’s mental reaction to seeing the documentary “Mitt,” though it was clear she based her descriptions of Romney’s thoughts on conversations with his friends and associates. So when it comes to Joe Biden, she could be describing what Biden told her, or offering a third-hand account of a conversation between the vice president and his dying son.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
103. He probably has an inside connection at the Justice Department
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 07:19 AM
Aug 2015

and he knows that the email scandal will sink Hillary, so he figures he's the natural pick for establishment candidate, and he also figures that he can whip anybody that gets the crap beaten out of them by Trump on their way to the GOP nomination.

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