2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat's wrong with Hillary Clinton? Absolutely nothing.
I know, I know, this is a pretty provocative thing to post on DU. People are going to insult me and call me crazy and post big long lists of everything wrong that Hillary has ever done, and question how any sane person can think there's nothing wrong with Hillary. We've seen it plenty of times before, nothing brings out anger and hatred quite like posting something positive about the leading Democratic candidate for the nomination (it's even worse than posting something positive about Obama).
The thing is, the person who said that there's "absolutely nothing" wrong with Hillary is none other than Bernie Sanders. He also said that he likes her, respects her, that she is "clearly a very intelligent person who I think is impressive on issues."
http://correctrecord.org/praise-for-hillary-clinton/
What gives? How can there be this enormous a disconnect between a candidate and his supporters? Bernie is going around saying things that would get him torn to shreds if he posted them on DU.
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Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)He won't attack her personally and that is what he was saying when he stated that there is nothing wrong with her and that he likes her.
But her stance on many issues are different.
I know most Clinton supporters won't understand this but Bernie and his supporters are about the issues, not the person.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)They're about email servers, and pictures of Hillary with Kissinger, quotes from 15 years ago, "evolving", and so on.
On the issues, Hillary is very progressive, even more than Bernie in some areas. Her economic platform has won praises from the likes of Krugman and Stiglitz.
Bernie recognizes that we're all on the same side here. Why don't his supporters?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)As well as the past because it is prologue.
And that causes a trust issue, because believe it or not, people can talk progressive and act Conservative.
And having said that I will say I agree with Bernie...people are not bad but people can do bad things...can be misinformed, can be wrong.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Which celebrity host calls it "Ben Gazzara" ? Love that.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)When they started supporting marriage equality.
What the approach will be to the big banks.
Where the money is coming from for the campaigns.
If you will even state your position on TPP and the XL pipeline.
We are all on the same side on most things, but there are some serious policy differences. Why can't Hillary supporters see that?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)
heaven05
(18,124 posts)damn!!! for the life of me, I just can't put my baby finger on it..oh yeah...
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)we really are issue driven
if you can't see that you need some serious help
heaven05
(18,124 posts)that is going to end up needing....wait for it...serious help. If you can't see that then you are blind to political reality as it applies to this system. bye bye.....
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)But trying to beat the system is a good thing.
Maybe he will fail, but maybe he won't.
Even if he does, it may light a path for some future candidate to try and run against the system instead of just being the master of it.
I guess I am not as pessimistic as you are. This fight is worth fighting, even if it is lost.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)the poor and disenfranchised, he very possibly could win.......that's all I'm going to say.....
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)The email server shows poor judgment, and placing personal convenience before procedure and security. I want a President that places Country before themselves, if they can't do that or don't see the reason for doing that they aren't qualified for the job.
Hillary and Kissinger, I don't know how old you are but if you didn't live through Kissinger's reign in government a search will find plenty of information about him. Kissinger is a person that is not afraid to use our armed forces lives for political gain, quite the mentor don't you think?
Quotes from 15 years ago? I don't know which ones you are talking about but if they are about her political stances they are more relevant than a 40 year old work of fiction.
The problem with "evolving" is when it is poll driven and the actions don't really match the rhetoric.
The deal breaker for me in your examples is the Kissinger one, Hillary is pro war and that is not acceptable for me, and I don't see her "evolving" on this subject.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Feel free to go through it. It is very hard to find any policy where Hillary might be even slightly better than Bernie.
We really are issue driven. Hillary supporters seem to support Hillary because she is Hillary. That just isn't enough for us.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Jumpin Jeehosifat.
It really doesn't matter if you support Hillary and/or disagree with Bernie on every issue. We'e all entitled to our oppinions and chouices.
But don't sell this stale meme about "not much evidence that Bernie supporters are mostly about the issues."
That IS what it is about for many of us. Of course, respect for Bernie, but far overshadowed by the fact that he is addressing issues that need to be raised but have been swept under the rug by both parties for so many years.
What you think we're just enthralled by Bernie's sparkling sense of humor, his movie-star good looks, his youth? Gimme a break.
People (myself included) have posted plenty about the issues. If you can't find it you're not looking. (And when we do, the Hill Squad accuses us of being self righteous or pontificating, in that Catch 22 way.)
heaven05
(18,124 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)edited to add -
No, they have declared that any criticism of Hillary is bashing and attacking, and actually started the campaign season implying that any criticism of her policies and stands or issues or past deeds was just giving ammo to the GOP "when she is the candidate".
Lot of hubris there.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)But it's still a story. Can you imagine the amount of hateful bashing I would have gotten if I had just posted that quote with out pointing out that it was Bernie who said it?
djean111
(14,255 posts)Sometimes it seems to me like there is so much hyperbole because it was assumed her nomination would be a cakewalk. Not prepared for or expecting push-back. I even saw it suggested that we save the money for the general election and just nominate Hillary now.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)And I don't even need to leave this OP to find an example:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=488722
djean111
(14,255 posts)If we brought up the old baggage, which I won't even mention (although the GOP would, and that, IMO, is a huge worry), then that would be bashing.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)On no issue is she remotely comparable to Scott Walker. Pro-Wall-Street is an absurd charge, given that she supports and wants to extend Dodd-Frank, whereas the Republicans want to get rid of it. The Republicans want war with Iran, and she laid the groundwork for the deal that's about to pass. She just rolled out an aggressive climate plan and has a strong environmental voting record, while Walker and the rest of the GOP are climate deniers. Etc.
That post was about hatred, not issues.
djean111
(14,255 posts)They are not worried one bit. And haven't we been admonished time and time again that campaign blather is not meant to be taken seriously, once someone is in office? Or that the GOP Congress will not let anyone's sweeping plans actually happen? So why not support someone like Bernie, who has noy changed much in his stances.
Comparing to Scott Walker is just weird, I agree - but I have no problem imagining Hillary smiling and saying that we need Chained CPI or privatization in order to "strengthen" Social Security. No problem at all.
And the hawkishness worries me. A lot.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Isn't that what Hillary supporters actually want to happen? Bernie actually wants Democratic candidates to debate with their Republican counterparts, an idea I think would be a good idea and stimulate interest in the election process. Isn't the idea of an election to compare candidates against each other?
As for "Camp Weathervane", really you don't get the meaning behind that? Most of us on the left want a leader for President. By that we want someone to be out front shining the light in the direction he or she wants us as a nation to go. We don't want someone that waits to find out what is the "popular" position to take and moves to that spot, that is not leadership and not what this Country needs now or ever. We need someone that has the right ideas for now and for the future.
Here is an example of "Weathervane" leadership; Hillary has "evolved" to many of the popular positions the Country has gravitated to such as gay marriage. On the other hand, the Country has "evolved" to the positions that Bernie had in the past and still has.
VanillaRhapsody
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gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I tend towards Hillary but like Bernie and OMalley. But if this is going to get people bunched up no matter who they support wait until there's a nominee. The GOP is going to go no holds barred
I don't like to see dems bashing dems. For many of us we will vote for the person we didn't support in the primary so just like in 08, I'm not going to hold it against the candidate if the supporters get a little batshit.
We're all going to have to toughen up for the GE.
SunShine22
(47 posts)As a life-long democrat who supports the values and humanity of democratic ideals, I will also work for whomever the nominee of my party ends up being. What troubles me is the infighting. We will have enough to deal with when the GOP machine and billionaire money begins their false and nasty advertising against our candidate. Even with all of Hillary's decades long debunked stories, if it’s Sanders he can be slaughtered with being a scary, unknown "socialist." We will also need a change in Congress to get anything positively done. If we continue to fragment ourselves, it will only give fodder for more devastating ads in the GE. We can debate the issues, we can love our candidate, but must we demean ourselves to the level of the GOP? We ALL don’t want to see a GOP president—to create havoc, following in the footsteps of the last few GOP administrations.
oasis
(49,426 posts)Welcome to DU.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)
Changes my opinion of her not one bit. Shes probably a fine person. blah blah blah.
Did he talk about her pandering, flip-floppy politics?
No?
Does he think she's the best one to lead this country?
No?
"Youre likable enough, Hillary". Yawn.
edit: typo
George II
(67,782 posts)
BooScout
(10,406 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I like your Sanders.....his followers? Meh...
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)On these issues she's about as liberal as Scott Walker.
Then there's the trust issue. It's called "Camp Weathervane" for a reason.
And that Bernie is more tactful than anonymous internet posters is another virtue.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)You don't need to tear down a person to prop another one up, especially when that other person does not want you to and can stand on their own.
Or can they?
Look, ma, no profanities! And no chasing straw men, not my style.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)*in my best C-3PO* would you be so kind as to be inclined to indicate which of the points in the post you responded to which listed the problems she has from a certain perspective are what you would consider "good"? Or are you indicating that those may be valid but do not effect or unbalance the good she has done/may do?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)And the name is Fred. And since it is my name, I get to use it any way I like....but not you.
No profanities, will give you credit for that....so how about that translation?
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Bochee or Hutt?
The question is: In the many issues listed where have responded "don't make a mortal enemy of the good" which of those facets, if you accept any as pertinent or impacting, do you consider "good"?
Or as scuba commented with a bit more spice "you think this stuff is good?"
You can answer or not, but if you don't I'll have to accept that you choose not to and choose only to answer the queries with wise acre rejoinders at the poster after you've made a statement.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Your droid filtered English was perfect. Perhaps the answers were a bit elusive.
HFRN
(1,469 posts)The mystery of where the milk went to was soon cleared up. It was mixed every day into the pigs' mash. The early apples were now ripening, and the grass of the orchard was littered with windfalls. The animals had assumed as a matter of course that these would be shared out equally; one day, however, the order went forth that all the windfalls were to be collected and brought to the harness-room for the use of the pigs. At this some of the other animals murmured, but it was no use. All the pigs were in full agreement on this point, even Snowball and Napoleon. Squealer was sent to make the necessary explanations to the others.
"Comrades!" he cried. "You do not imagine, I hope, that we pigs are doing this in a spirit of selfishness and privilege? Many of us actually dislike milk and apples. I dislike them myself. Our sole object in taking these things is to preserve our health. Milk and apples (this has been proved by Science, comrades) contain substances absolutely necessary to the well-being of a pig. We pigs are brainworkers. The whole management and organisation of this farm depend on us. Day and night we are watching over your welfare. It is for your sake that we drink that milk and eat those apples. Do you know what would happen if we pigs failed in our duty? Jones would come back! Yes, Jones would come back! Surely, comrades," cried Squealer almost pleadingly, skipping from side to side and whisking his tail, "surely there is no one among you who wants to see Jones come back?"
Now if there was one thing that the animals were completely certain of, it was that they did not want Jones back. When it was put to them in this light, they had no more to say. The importance of keeping the pigs in good health was all too obvious. So it was agreed without further argument that the milk and the windfall apples (and also the main crop of apples when they ripened) should be reserved for the pigs alone.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)HFRN
(1,469 posts)some do, some don't
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)If you have one...I have my suspicions.
Keep in mind Bernie Sanders has a few flaws and warts on the progressive side as well.
Why don't we all just have a party at which all us liberals and progressives can fire up a "Not My Perfect Candidate" bonfire and burn them all!
HFRN
(1,469 posts) HFRN
(1,469 posts)doesn't get any plainer than this:
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts) stupidicus
(2,570 posts)which therefore invalidates all the charges posed and eliminates any need whatsoever for her supporters to address and rebut them.
it's almost like they don't even exist other than as hysterically over-exaggerated concerns on the part of Bernie supporters.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)The main thing she has going for her is that she's better than the Republicans running. Which ain't saying much.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Doesnt mean it doesnt exist....just ask Sanders.....who wil endorse her if she wins the Primary as expected...
Now would he do THAT if she had no redeeming qualities as you are suggesting
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)intellectual dishonesty and tunnel vision of the Clinton-haters.
"Not saying much."
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Just saying.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Very odd way of saying "wrong", don't you think?
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)TPP chief among them... But also trust busting, the war in Iraq, and large parts of economic and foreign policy.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)You asked me for a source, and I complied.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
msrizzo
(796 posts)If he thought that he would be disagreeing with himself on half the stuff he believes (at least, if not more) since their voting records are really quite similar. He, no doubt, thinks he would be better and that is how he differentiates himself from her. I don't think Bernie Sanders has a purity test about how long people have agreed with him. If he did he wouldn't be welcoming new supporters who have just come around to his way of thinking. And I'm pretty sure he is welcoming new supporters.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)msrizzo
(796 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)But folks like to fight on DU - not a problem if we all agree now to unite 110% behind the eventual nominee....because have you seen the fascists and religious creatures crawling around on the Animal Farm on the other side of the fence - and that is the only other choice for Americans?
greenman3610
(3,947 posts)Al Gore and George Bush?
Between Hillary and Ted Cruz?
get with the program, dude.
artislife
(9,497 posts)or some other posting system?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)
You just post on a regular basis, seems like every morning. I just wonder if you pre write this stuff and have a system.
The best bloggers do it.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)It's her corporatist, warmongering stance on the issues that suck.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)And you know he will....Do you want to know why?
HFRN
(1,469 posts)George Stephanopolous was giving it good marks, as I saw on my TV last night
leftinalabama
(30 posts)The democratic nominee, whoever that may be, after I vote for Bernie in the primary. I am fully behind Bernie Sanders as I believe this country needs a better direction which is pretty obvious to us all here. So this being my first post on DU, I wanted to say just that.
Living in the reddest state in the country is a complete eye opener as well as scary as hell. If we Democrats do not enthusiastically support our nominee the whole country will end up like Alabama, and trust me, it ain't pretty. I am certainly not a big fan of Hillary but I am sure that if a Republican/TP gets elected President, that this country will suffer tremendously. One of the if not the most effective consequences of this election will be SCOTUS appointments. Any more Republicans on the high bench will pretty much destroy any gains progressives have made in the last few years. I know many of you, like me, will vote for Bernie, but for the country's sake please vote for the Democratic nominee in the general. The Kochs and Adelsons of the world are betting big that you won't............ Thanks for letting me post.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)who should not be in the White House. Bernie agrees with me, that why he is running for President against her. If you want we Bernie supporters to ignore her negatives and just be all swooney over her then I see a big fucking disconnect alright 
But it ain't on the Sanders supporters side.
As Barack Obama said. She's likable enough.
earthside
(6,960 posts)Good for him.
Thank goodness, however, that his supporters are just as enthusiastic for him as the Hillaryites are for her.
I would argue that the Bernie supporters are, in fact, much more factual and issue-oriented than the "it's her turn" crowd. Clinton is a general election loser in my estimation, so it is my duty to help save the country from a third Pres. Bush.
That's why I'm not in the 'Clinton coronation' parade.
Frankly, if Mrs. Clinton would do what is best for the Democrats and the nation and get out of the race, I think the new candidates that would then get in to contest for the nomination would reinvigorate the Democratic Party in ways not seen since 2008, 1960 and 1932.
But, sadly, whether Bernie says it out loud or not or if he even believes it, I am of the opinion that Hillary is not a nice person; I think she is motivated by personal ambition, wealth and power.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Laser102
(816 posts)She can give as good as she gets. Strong, intelligent, and, dare I say it, likable.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)After he signs his first piece of legislation if that's what the stars have in line for him. His first compromised piece of legislation. Except from the crowd are accepting of incremental change.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)She got hoodwinked by Bush and Cheney to vote for their rush to illegal wars. She didn't even bother to read the NIE on Iraq.
She got doped into voting for illegal spying on Americans.
She got doped into voting for the Patriot Act.
She got doped into supporting Obamacare instead of real healthcare reform and single payer.
She got doped into allowing TransCanada's marketing and lobbyists to write her State Department's environmental impact study for the XL Keystone Pipeline.
She got doped into believing Edward Snowden and Chelsie Manning are traitors instead of whistle blowers who exposed war crimes.
She got doped into taping UN officials' cellphones.
SHe got doped in bailing out criminal Banksters.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)riversedge
(70,345 posts)....not to tear apart.
http://correctrecord.org/praise-for-hillary-clinton/
Sanders, Bernie (Vermont Senator)
Sanders: “This is a woman [Sec. Clinton] I respect, clearly a very intelligent person who I think is impressive on issues, by the way.” “Sanders sees running against Clinton as an opportunity not to tear her apart politically, but to distinguish himself and force the party to have a serious policy discussion on issues as diverse as income inequality and foreign policy. ‘This is a woman I respect, clearly a very intelligent person who I think is impressive on issues, by the way,’ Sanders said. ‘I think we have a debate about how you rebuild a crumbling middle class, a debate about how you reverse climate change, a debate about the foreign policy … a debate about Wall Street, and that would be, I think, good for the American people, to be honest with you.’” [National Journal, 2/9/15]
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)It's about positions on the issues, where in many of our opinions, Bernie is better.
Since when is discussing issues "attacking?"
We are not attacking her personality, that she has been unavailable to comments, or lack of wanting more debates.
We are disagreeing with her stance on TPP, Keystone XL, the War in Iraq, and other ISSUES.
Some of us are also disagreeing with her historic stance on things like same-sex marriage, and her being a former republican.
These are issues. Would you rather have someone who has had to "come around" on issues, or someone who has been fighting, on your side for issues for more than 40 years?
I don't know about you, but I will go with the person with a history of being on my side with the issues.
Why are Clinton supporters criticizing Bernie's hair, stating that he is unelectable, demonizing him for not being a member of the Democratic Party, complaining that he's a "socialist?" To me, and a lot of us, these are not issues, in the interest of WE THE PEOPLE.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)We're all knees and elbows, whereas Clinton supporters are more like The Marching Hammers from the movie "The Wall".
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)
EEO
(1,620 posts)She is so vulnerable in so many ways, rightly or wrongly. The Democratic Party needs someone with way less baggage.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Although I lean towards Hillary I think Hillary, Bernie and OMalley are not going to generate the supporters Obama did. Whoever the nominee is, is going to have a tough fight. Don't kid yourself.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Which is exactly what Bernie says.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)I don't like Hillary the politician and I don't trust her. I realized it when she ran against Obama. I don't think she's genuine, she's getting too much money from global banks, and she's already refusing to take a positions on major issues that will diversely affect the poor and middle class while benefiting corporations and banks.
Say what you like, but Bernie is running for a reason and the reason is he doesn't like Hillary's position on the issues. He also doesn't believe she'll end the economic class war being waged against the poor and middle class because of her close ties to the "too big to fail banks... Neither do I...
Given we're living in an era where we've heard former Democratic president Jimmy Carter warn us we're now living under a corrupt oligarchy. And there are those of us who sincerely believe Hillary will continue down the same economic rabbit hole we've been tumbling down this last thirty five years... This election is crucial and in all honesty I don't believe it's possible to point out the difference between these two "different as night and day" candidates and not have people complain about attacking Hillary...
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)'Sokay, DanTex, you can open your eyes. The reality of HRC's "experience" is unpleasant and her presence in this media drama is barely product placement,as a growing part of your mind is realizing.
When you do wake up from the Saccharine Hillary Fantasy, I can assure you that you won't hate yourself.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts) 
bigtree
(86,008 posts)Wolf Blitzer to Bernie Sanders: ‘What’s wrong with Hillary Clinton?’
Bernie Sanders: ‘Absolutely nothing.’
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)He has to stay on message and not get distracted into a huge thing of negative stuff about Hillary.
It's not my job though. I think "absolutely nothing" is absolutely hilarious.
askew
(1,464 posts)1. Her complusive lying.
2. Her evasiveness and inability to take tough stands.
3. Lack of successful leadership achievements.
4. Her flip-flops on major issues - Driver Licenses for Undocumented Americans, Death Penalty, Immigration, Removing Cuban Embargo, etc. You can't trust someone who flip-flops on over 50% of her platform each election cycle.
5. Poor Foreign Policy Judgement - Voted for War in Iraq, thought meeting with Iranians without pre-conditions was dangerously naive, was against Cuban Embargo, turned a blind-eye to Honduras coup, wanted to send child refugees back to likely death in Central America, etc.
Other than that, she seems lovely.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... Hillary...
Also, if you can only come up with 20 out of 200 issues that should could be on the wrong side of then that's not a bad deal...
Sanders voters would've hated FDR
askew
(1,464 posts)I have plenty of issues with Bernie but that wasn't the topic of this post. It was about what's not to like about Hillary. And Hillary has serious problems that go far beyond where she stands on a particular issue. She has character problems - her lying, her evasiveness, her flip-flopping on positions so often that she becomes unbelievable, her judgment when it comes to foreign policy. All of these are unique to Hillary in this race. Bernie doesn't lie as often as Hillary does. He states his opinion and doesn't dodge questions. He has been consistent for decades on issues unlike Hillary who flip-flops constantly. Bernie had the good sense to oppose the Iraq War. That alone puts his judgment light-years above Hillary.
And when you belittle issues of war and peace and refugee issues by calling them just 20 of 200 issues, you show that you just don't understand what is at stake here.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... can throw stones so why are Hilllary's warts being highlighted?
That's been the theme on DU for the last 4 months; "... Hillary's not perfect..." as if any of the other candidates are
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and disagree with them on nearly everything related to policy.
you seem to be confusing the two.
i'm glad that these Democratic candidates seem to like each other on a personal basis. That doesn't mean they can't go toe to toe on the issues. This is just another "gee Bernie's really nice but too bad his supporters suck" thread.
every time I think that Hillary supporters couldn't possibly be more transparent, they manage to prove me wrong.
have a nice sunday, all
Gothmog
(145,660 posts)The attacks on Clinton are really weak
Comrade Grumpy
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Vinca
(50,318 posts)When she delivers a speech, for example, it's slow and plodding as if she thinks we don't understand English. On the rare occasion she is spontaneous, she is the opposite. I don't understand how her "handlers" don't see this and correct it. She's also needs to address issues she has said she will discuss after she's elected. I find it difficult to vote for someone who won't tell me if she'll support the TPP, oil pipelines and a few other issues. I hate to say it, but from the beginning of this campaign she seems to have assumed she will be the nominee - just as she did in 2008. She probably will be, but I'd like her to pretend it's not a coronation.
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portlander23
(2,078 posts)The list of donors to Priorities USA, a super Pac which allows unlimited contributions, includes well-known financiers such as George Soros as well as a clutch of less well-known hedge fund managers and investment advisers.
Together, eight donors whose family wealth can be traced back to the finance industry accounted for $4.8m of the $15.6m total raised in the first half of the year and nine of the 28 donations worth at least $100,000 ...
Several of these were also donors to Barack Obama, but Clinton’s historic reliance on money from Wall Street has been a particular source of criticism from supporters of leftwing rival Bernie Sanders and Massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren.
oasis
(49,426 posts)A majority of voters in the GE will have jobs and economic growth at the top of their lists.
No need to be shy about the big boys helping you along based, on your prospects. Rank and file Democrats know Hillary is not a Romney type elitist.