Re: your preferred Democratic nominee

[MBplayer]

1) Do you think in terms of who YOU would most want to vote for, or do you try to think of the candidate who would garner the most votes in the Primaries/General?

2) If #1, do you believe that the average Democratic voter thinks and votes the way you do? Or are you willing to concede that your target market isn't the winning one?

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. The one that prevents a Republican from winning.

nuff said!

[Motown_Johnny]

8. So if Trump registered as a (D) and polls showed he could win

you would support him?

That would prevent a Republican from winning.


What you suggest as a reason to support your candidate, isn't. nuff said!

[VanillaRhapsody]

9. Hypotheticals now? Seriously?

"and monkeys will fly outta my butt!"

[HerbChestnut]

2. I go with...

1. Whoever upholds my own positions. It's the only way to really get what you want out of government. Otherwise you're just spinning your wheels.

2. I don't think the average person votes the way I do. I think they vote based on who they think can win or who they want to lose, which I believe is an attitude that has contributed to the current state of our government.

[Andy823]

3. So you are saying

If the candidate YOU want does not win the primary you won't be voting for the person who does win?

[HerbChestnut]

7. Not necessarily...

But if I don't like the person who does win the primary then I'll find somebody to vote for. That could mean voting for someone in another party, an independent, or writing someone in.

[VanillaRhapsody]

10. then why should this be of such import that Democrats on Democratic Underground

MUST be informed?

[HerbChestnut]

22. Because the OP asked a question,

And I answered it. I'm not so loyal to the Democratic party that I'll vote for anybody they put up regardless of their positions.

[doc03]

4. I willvot e for the one that has the best chance of wining the general election.

Yes No DU is not representative of the average voter. The vast majority of the people don't give a damn about the election until
after Labor day in the election year.

[Motown_Johnny]

5. 1) a combination of both 2) no and no

I am for the most progressive candidate who I believe has a good chance of winning. I don't think that most Democratic voters think that way but I won't concede that my target market isn't the winning one since I want someone who can win.

I won't support someone only because he/she can win. He or she must also be the most progressive one who can win.

[mmonk]

6. What's a target market?

Subjective premise.

[VanillaRhapsody]

11. You are not in the advertisement business huh?

[mmonk]

23. I've actually run 3 businesses. Are you saying Bernie's message

isn't directed to the public in general?

[VanillaRhapsody]

24. You asked what a "target market" is....

I just do websites and its even a concept I am aware of....how are you avoiding it "running 3 businesses"? Perhaps you should look into it....always know your audience...(in other words your "target market&quot

[mmonk]

26. Speaking truth to power isn't trying to reach a particular market subset.

[VanillaRhapsody]

27. Yes it is.....

and THIS is what was asked in regards to "target market"

2) If #1, do you believe that the average Democratic voter thinks and votes the way you do? Or are you willing to concede that your target market isn't the winning one?

Nothing at all was said about "target market and truth to power" in that statement at all....no matter how one twists or bends it...

[mmonk]

29. Only speaking will people know what he is saying. Only then will the chips lie where they will.

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. WTF does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

in fact....no one even mentioned "Him"....

This is about YOU....and what "target market" YOU are in.......

[Agschmid]

12. It's a primary we should support the candidate the best represents...

Our beliefs.

[DanTex]

13. In general, a combination. In this particular election, the electability gap between Bernie and

Hillary is so enormous that it dwarfs everything.

[sadoldgirl]

14. Is this now again a

subtle way to ask the loyalty question?
Oh well, we need it every now and then
just for entertainment.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

15. My preferred candidate is the only one I don't think will end up crushing the poor and formerly

middle class in the name of catering to 1%ers. I can only hope that enough other people agree with me when it comes down to voting.

[VanillaRhapsody]

25. Oh like Republicans would if the got ALL THREE BRANCHES of GOVT???

and you are worried about what Hillary Clinton will do? That's awfully short sighted! Big picture....BIG picture!

[msongs]

16. I'd like to see a winner who could generate more pickups in Congress nt

[fadedrose]

17. 1) Yes, and Hell No, and 2)Hell No and Hell Ya

I hope you followed me okay.

[Aerows]

18. I most want to vote for

Bernie Sanders.

I think more people would vote for O'Malley, however, because I think he could garner more mainstream support.

Nobody that wanted to vote for Hillary Clinton hasn't already vote for her the first time around, and we all see how well that turned out.

I'm pretty sure most Republicans feel the same way about Jeb Bush, but I can't answer for them because I avoid them like the plague.

[George II]

20. "Nobody that wanted to vote for Hillary Clinton...........

.......hasn't already vote for her the first time around, and we all see how well that turned out."

How do you figure that? I didn't vote for her first time around but definitely will vote for her this time around in the primary and will campaign my butt off for her in the General Election.

It will be thrilling to see the first black President succeeded by the first woman President.

[Aerows]

21. History. n/t

[Adrahil]

33. I did not vote for Clinton in 2008.

I will vote for her in 2016. IMO, she did a good job as SoS in a very tough situation. I really liked how she worked with Obama despite a contentious primary in 2008... that really showed me something.

[George II]

19. Read around the site, your questions will be answered.

[cantbeserious]

28. I Will No Longer Vote For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils

eom

[Agnosticsherbet]

31. I keep a score card on issues and choose a candidate that wins on the issues

On primary election day. Electability is minor consideration.

In the general election, I vote for Democrats because even if a Republican candidate won on the issues, the Republican agenda is unacceptable.

[HereSince1628]

32. Until the debacle of 2000 I always voted for who I thought was best for -everyone-

I was able to subvert my own wishes to what rationally could be considered best for the nation.

It took me decades but I finally got to the point that no one but me could be trusted to vote for the good of the nation.

Since then I've always voted for what I wanted, satisfied that even in a loss, my wants were summed up in the losing total. Those sums can be important. Trying to avoid them just gives license to politicians who it often seems care less about the country and the nation than I do.

[Thinkingabout]

34. I am voting for the most experienced and capable, I am backing Hillary.

[GitRDun]

35. I'll vote for any D, I think any will defeat the R

My hope is that all the D's use the primary period to improve their message. They all have material weaknesses.

[LiberalAndProud]

36. Anecdotes are just that, anecdotes.

Speaking to a very few Republican voters around here, it would seem that they dislike both Trump and Bush enough to switch to Democrat for Bernie, but not Hillary not ever, no how. I'll grant you, they know next to nothing about Bernie, but at this moment they're not ruling out the possibility that they might vote for him.

Hillary is so polarizing, I worry that she might not win if she wins the nomination. I wish we could know for sure moving forward that if she wins the nomination, she will in fact win the election. Her negatives are very high and that's not a good thing, electability-wise.

[LWolf]

37. 1. Other. 2. N/A

1. I think in terms of nominating the candidate who has the best record and positions on issues. That's it. If a candidate with weak, or even worse, neoliberal, record and positions on issues is nominated, then November 16 is a loss no matter who wins. I give my vote to the winner on issues. It's not personal. If I don't WANT to vote for someone, I don't. I can't be bullied into a vote I don't want to cast.

2. I don't have a "target market." I'm a voter. I have a vote. I exercise my right to cast it as I see fit. My vote is not about anyone else's thinking. Do I think anyone else thinks that way? It doesn't matter if they do, or they don't. I support each person's right to vote their conscience. I'd sure like them to agree with me, but I respect their right to make their own decisions and cast their own votes. I'd like the same consideration in return. I don't think that the "average" Democratic voter thinks the way I do. If they did, we wouldn't be stuck with fucking neoliberals giving ground to Republicans every damned time. I'm not conceding a damned thing. I'm going to do what I think is the right thing to do, whether anyone agrees with me or not.

That said, I try to listen. I try to understand. At least to those who aren't attacking. I don't have to agree with a POV to understand why others would. I don't have to think someone is "wrong" to have confidence in my own POV. When I hear something that gives me a view I haven't considered before, I appreciate it, whether or not I agree. I like to see things as completely as possible. When a point is made that I haven't considered, and I think it's strong enough, my own POV grows. That's who I am.

In general, the same stereotypical talking points are trotted out every time we nominate a candidate. I considered those talking points, and either adopted them or dismissed them, many, many years ago. Mostly dismissed them, because I found them to be destructive to the nation in the long term. They don't mean anything to me at this point beyond an irritation, like gnats singing near my eyes or nose or ears. Trying to browbeat me with them ad nausem is counter productive, if anyone cares.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest ...

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams

Principles may differ. But, my principles don't include popularity, polls, the market, or what most people think.

[whatchamacallit]

39. Thanks for continuing to post this great quote

despite how impervious some are to its message.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. Here's another you might like.

Freedom for supporters of the government only, for members of one party only, no matter how big its membership may be is, no freedom at all. Freedom is always freedom for the man who thinks differently. Rosa Luxemburg


The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same. Marie Beyle (Stendahl)

[whatchamacallit]

42. Spot on

[Armstead]

41. Do these have to be mutually exclusive?

I kinda thought the point of elections is to support the person you want to see get into office.

[NCTraveler]

43. 1) Both 2) No nt