2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumObama's fate rests on first debate?
On CNN's website claims the whole race will be decided on October 3rd.
So the pressure is all on Obama?
So Obama is the underdog in a debate?
Nowhere to hide.
And not a teleprompter in sight.
Just Romney, the list of promises Obama made in 2008 and his list of accomplishments heading into the stretch run of 2012.
I know CNN is nothing but FOXlite but this one is really disgusting. Read full story at link.
[link:http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/22/opinion/granderson-campaign-key/index.html|
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)still_one
(92,297 posts)Grateful for Hope
(39,320 posts)barbtries
(28,808 posts)sounds like a crock of shit. i think the media is trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy with all this bullshit. what scares me is they could succeed because so much of the electorate is so ignorant.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)And, I don't think they're predicting anything. They're going to spin the debates however they want them, and this is probably just a hint that they're going to spin it against the President regardless of how he performs. These same people claimed Dumbya won his debates, even though Gore and Kerry both wiped the floor with him in every debate they had. Watch for a repeat here.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)It had no effect on the race
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)I know a really bad debate can hurt, but I have never heard winning a debate, whatever that means, does not mean an election win.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)The media is selling a horserace. It might be a horserace but the issues they claim are what will decide it is mostly nonsense.
jenmito
(37,326 posts)are down and going lower, they gotta find something else.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)The "critical issue du jour".
jenmito
(37,326 posts)24-hour news coverage. If they were to stick to FACTS, Romney would be 20 points down. The media can't let THAT happen, which is why they ignore Romney's lies, ignore the fact that he has over-seas bank accounts, had over-seas stocks which he just sold, and more "inconvenient" truths.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)It will hang in the balance on 1000 other things by November.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)In reality the main thing that will decide this election is the economy/jobs. As long as things continue as they are now with slow steady improvement, Obama will win. The media knows that but thats too boring to talk about every day until November.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)So they won't bite the hand they hope will feed them.
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)Not surprised it is CNN.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:03 PM - Edit history (1)
Obama hasn't run or hidden from anything yet, but Romney ran from the question on the DREAM action, and routes his campaign bus to hide the towns that he destroyed with Bain.
Obama has given answers to all he's been asked. Some people aren't willing to listen when he is open minded enough to listen and learn, or think leadership is slogans and sound bites. Or they just can't handle that the man doesn't agree with them on everything since the beginning of time.
FFS! His opinion doesn't match the one the media told us it should be! Let's all go right into a sputtering rage! Good old B & W, GOP think.
Perhaps the 'balls' brigade preferred Shrub wearing a codpiece with a banner behind him declaring 'Mission Accomplished.' If that's their idea of strong leadership, they'll vote GOP.
Who needs a teleprompter when you have a working brain and the ability to think on one's feet like Obama has?
The 'teleprompter' meme is a right wing dog whistle to racists who insist that a black man can't be as intelligent, or more intelligent, than this boatload of buffoons the GOP has been tossing in our face since Reagan.
The debates should not be done in the carnival atmosphere of the cable networks. We should not dignify these hucksters by calling them news outlets. They spent months drooling over Bill and Monica while the Starr Chamber blows $80M on a witch hunt, then gave non-stop coverage of Anna Nicole Smith's dysfunctional and completely irrelevant life to the nation's need for real news. Then ignore or shut out all voices that oppose their corporate masters.
So we will forced to endure the hypocrisy of this cable dog and pony show to get any coverage. That's how badly a great source for learning, television, has been corrupted by big business. This debate should be held in a place where they respect minds, like a good university, where the moderators know how to run a debate.
Yes, SoutherDem, CNN is FOXlite and they're getting worse everyday.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)But it's clear this article is written by someone who doesn't support the President.
With that said, a bad debate performance can hurt a candidate. Bush held a near-double digit lead on Kerry prior to the first debate and it evaporated overnight because his performance was so bad. Yes, he won, but had the race been closer than it was prior to the debate, it very well could have shifted the race in favor of Kerry. This race could be closer and a similar result would help Romney.
Of course, Obama is not Bush. Obama is a fantastic debater who took out Hillary Clinton & John McCain (who, while boring, was not an oaf like Bush).
Obama won't need to run or hide from Romney. He's going to make him look silly.
DFW
(54,415 posts)What will matter is fraudulent vote counting, disenfranchisement of Democratic voters, $1 billion in hate/attack ads from the radical right and willful ignorance on the part of American voters--and EVEN THEN, Romney has an uphill battle.
The Republican leadership is fully aware of this, WHICH IS WHY they are using fraudulent vote counting, disenfranchisement of Democratic voters, $1 billion in hate/attack ads from the radical right, and hoping for willful ignorance on the part of American voters.
On an even playing field, Obama would bury Romney into single digits, and they know it as well as we do.
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)watchdogg
(18 posts)The story is Romney won't pick Rubio - I think that means he's forfeiting the election.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,422 posts)n/t
EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)was recently interviewed and said his one regret was selling
CNN. He probably becomes physically ill watching what it has
become.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)So calling Obama an underdog for the debate means you are downplaying his skills.If they keep this up all Obama has to do Is perform
better than they think and he comes off good.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,422 posts)Romney will be the one tying himself in pretzel-shaped knots in the debates trying to "debate" with President Obama and I just don't think he's up to it. We know what President Obama stands for and where. We have absolutely NO clue where Romney stands and, at least so far, all we've got from him is a plethora of lies, half-truths, and talking points to rely on for figuring out where he (might) stand on any given subject. *ugh* I have a hard time seeing how these debates are going to work out to Romney's advantage. Oh and about those list of promises and accomplishments...........................