Latest Tweet from Nate Silver regarding Democratic Primary

[Godhumor]

Check out @NateSilver538's Tweet: https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/627515941539201024?s=09

What true not being written, much: Clinton is dominating the Democratic primary. Still probably in best position ever for a non-incumbent.

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Best position ever for a non-incumbent. Best position ever. Best ever.

[rocktivity]

1. As she was

eight years ago.


rocktivity

[winter is coming]

3. Gotta admit, I was thinking the exact same thing. n/t

[Godhumor]

4. She was less than ten points ahead at this point: not 35 to 50

And Nate Silver knows what he is talking about.

[winter is coming]

9. Nate knows statistics. That doesn't make him psychic.

I doubt he (or anyone) has a model that does a good job of capturing the situation. If nothing else, disaffected voters are the joker in the deck of any national election, and Bernie's message seems to be drawing them.

[TexasBushwhacker]

11. Just like with the stock market

past performance does not guarantee future performance. I think its especially rich that HRC supporters think its a given that she'll be the nominee. I seem to remember a young governor from a small southern state back in the 90s. He had very little national name recognition. He did horribly in Iowa, but then came in second place in New Hampshire. They nicknamed him "The Comeback Kid". What was his name????

The Iowa caucuses and first primaries are 6 months away. A lot can happen in 6 months.

[LuvLoogie]

30. Tom Harkin was Iowa's favorite son, EVERYONE, did horribly against him.

Presidential
Candidate Home State PoliticalParty Caucus Result Delegates
Tom Harkin Iowa Democratic 2,314 77.24% 0 0.0%
Uncommitted - Democratic 355 11.85% 0 0.0%
Paul E. Tsongas Massachusetts Democratic 128 4.27% 0 0.0%
William J. Clinton Arkansas Democratic 76 2.54% 0 0.0%
Robert Kerrey Nebraska Democratic 72 2.40% 0 0.0%
Edmund G. Brown California Democratic 51 1.70% 0 0.0%

Tom Hartman did not have the overwhelming front-runner status that Hillary now has.

In 2008, two historic candidates met head to head, and it was a close match. I think some may be negating that a lot of people were truly torn between Hillary and Barack and bore neither one any animosity nor weighed their choice against the other's "negatives."

Many of Bernie's most vocal supporters here on DU, and nationally it seems, are relying upon the amping up Hillary's negative's in hopes of Bernie gaining traction nationally.

[Sheepshank]

105. Nate does not take the politicial temperature using stock market strategies

His reading and interpretation of stats is actually quite accurate. It's often disheartening, as it ws when he predicted the Dem losses i the mid terms, but he tends to do much better than the average Joe.....or Rove lol

[TexasBushwhacker]

106. I agree. I always like to hear Nate's predictions

I just think it's a long way to February, and HRC still has the Benghazi and e-mail bullshit to deal with.

[Godhumor]

13. He knows statistics and he understands them

And at this time out before the nominee is selected, Clinton is more dominant than any other non-incumbent has ever been. Statistics tell Nate that. Emotion tries to convince people that it couldn't possibly be true.

[winter is coming]

17. Nope. Missed the point. I fully believe Clinton is dominant now.

What I question is whether or not she'll stay that way. In particular, races get unpredictable when large numbers of new voters or casual voters enter the process, and Bernie's candidacy may end up bringing a lot of those folks to the polls.

[Godhumor]

21. Maybe. But the point is that Bernie's candidacy here and now is not equivalent to Obama's

Obama was already close at this point and he had a much wider demographic appeal than Bernie currently does. There is still plenty of time, but here and now there is no comparison to Clinton's position. Maybe we will be taking about a comeback of historic proportions in 6 months, in which case I will be the first to commend what Sanders has done.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Barack Obama was winning the African American vote 9-1 ...

Barack Obama was winning the African American vote 9-1 and mitigating his losses among Latinos losing them 1-2. He wasn't losing those crucial demographics on magnitudes from 10-25-1.


Also, the polls account for everybody who will be voting...It's not as if there are millions of previously undiscovered voters who are going up to show up at the polls...

The last thing people discard are their biases.

[DCBob]

54. Nate's thing is predictions and probabilities.

He's not just saying she could win if the election were now.. of course she would.. any idiot can see that. His point is that she is very likely to win the nomination.. more likely than any other non-incumbent in history.

[onehandle]

5. There is no Obama.

#45

[NobodyHere]

41. Only Zuul

[Juicy_Bellows]

65. Fantastic!

I appreciated it anyway!

[dsc]

7. No Gore was, by far

At this point in 1999, Gore was between where Hillary was in 07 and where she is now. Oh, and he won 50, count them 50 states in the primary.

[arely staircase]

68. No she wasn't

that narrative is as false as it is comforting to the anti-Clinton crowd.

[Adrahil]

86. False analogy....

the 2008 race was very different from the 2016 race. For one, until Edwards imploded, the three race was pretty close (everybody generally within a 15 point spread). Not so now, where Sanders is 35-40 points behind. And although Obama lost the NH primary and went on to win, I'd say his position is more similar to Clinton's wherein he had strength in the South, similar to Clinton.

This is a very different primary.

[brooklynite]

95. ...except that she's 15-20 points AHEAD of where she was 8 years ago.

[villager]

2. You'd think her supporters would behave in a more secure, expansive fashion then

Rather than like schoolyard bullies, or FOX TV "talk" show personalities (i.e., not wanting to hear/listen/"talk" at all...)

[Godhumor]

6. You'd think his supporters would behave in a more secure, expansive fashion then

Rather than like schoolyard bullies, or FOX TV "talk" show personalities (i.e., not wanting to hear/listen/"talk" at all...)



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Change the pronoun to either his or her and it fits pretty much everyone who spends time on GDP to a tee. Well except O'Malley's supporters. They seem pretty harmless.

[villager]

10. It fits others much more to a T. If one spends actual time in GDP.

But -- I will be looking for you to be one of those leading the way in that more expansive, hey-let's-actually-respond-and-discuss change that such a lead in the polls surely augurs....

[Godhumor]

12. Oh, it fits one group more than the other. We just disagree on the group

But I will be supporting whoever is the Democratic nominee for president, regardless. I assume you're in the same boat.

[villager]

14. The question is, how will you be interacting or responding to the supporters of other Democratic

...candidates in the meantime?

Scorched earth/drive-by posts and responses (which, while we disagree here, these so far aren't), or actual discussions, staying OT, replying to actual posts without feeling obliged to "kill the messenger," et al?

Much that we do here will determine how *enthusiastically* one side or the other can support the eventual nominee.

[Godhumor]

15. And you honestly don't see how that statement fits the Sanders' supporters on GDP?

Again, GDP is not playing the big tent game right now, though it will after the nominee is decided. This place is neither rational nor inclusive, and the people who post here know that, we all do. Lecturing about how people should behave here is about as effective as telling a wild bear there are better ways to shit in the woods.

[villager]

18. Yes, but making excuses for yourself just means the shitting continues apace...

...and not just in the woods. Sadly enough.

[Godhumor]

20. Right back at ya'.

Looking forward to all the high level dialogue I am sure we will both be initiating in future threads.

[villager]

24. Me too -- without the "everyone else does it" excuses to not have an actual dialogue!

Cheers!

[misterhighwasted]

36. LOL.. ok, that's funny!

[misterhighwasted]

34. LOL. Here'a mirror.

Not snark, just some honesty.

Nice to read good news from Nate, considering the RW rampage is about to go into full court press. 2016 will be unkind and I believe thise who stand with Hillary Clinton now will be loyal through it all.
This is good solid news in the 2016 fight for the survival of our constitution & democracy.
A lot of destructive policies need to be undone when she takes her place in the oval office.

Hillarys numbers now bode well for the coattails needed to regain Dem thinking balance in the legislature.

This is encouraging.
Thanks

[BooScout]

8. Go Hillary!

[artislife]

22. Away!!

[Godhumor]

25. Oh damn, BooScout you got Bern'd!

How's it feel?

Heh. Bern'd. I am so original.

[tritsofme]

16. I've been making this point for some time. Her strength is unprecedented.

[LuvLoogie]

19. Hillary has been reestablishing and affirming her relationships

with groups that have a strong organizational infrastructure. And most of them are Democrats and endorse Democrats.

Bernie is trying to build a national infrastructure from scratch. (Don't forget Barack Obama had a well-established power base in Chicago and he was in at the DNC, as a Democrat, by the time he ran for President.)

Bernie had a cool event the other night, but how many of the-sign ups are precinct captains who know where to go, who to talk to? What elected officials have signed on?

Hillary has been building her national relationships for decades now.

[artislife]

23. For decades

That is the reason for the lack of enthusiasm by the left, left.


I wonder how she will handle the loss?


She's a fighter, so I am sure she will bounce back and enjoy her golden years.

[LuvLoogie]

38. Your response ignores the reason for Hillary's position,

as if it is based on a cult of personality and not the work she has done within the party, as an elected official, as an appointed official, and as a private citizen.

That kind of political base is developed over years, not in one telethon on a random summer night.

The electoral left is a school of fish. Don't mistake that for a Left with a political infrastructure.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. When HRC dispatches Of the Vermont independent it's going to be the happiest day of my life

When HRC dispatches Of the Vermont independent it's going to be the happiest day of my life since October 30, 1974.

Google October 30, 1974, look closely at my avatar and photo in my signature line, and it will all make sense.

[LuvLoogie]

60. Did you ever see this by LL Cool J?

I would play this as Hillary walked out onto the stage after "that call" from whatever GOP candidate telling her congratulations.

[Agschmid]

74. C'mon...

That's a low blow.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. After all the poo that has been slung at my friends and I ...

After all the poo that has been slung at my friends and I simply for supporting another candidate I respectfully don't think so. We have been called corporatists, Bush lovers, trolls, Turd Wayers, right wingers... I have been surfing the net for seventeen plus years and I would swear I have never felt so put upon, insulted, and disrespected.

I am truly sorry if I offended anybody of good heart but that's how I and many other Clinton supporters feel.

[Armstead]

108. Look at the poo slung in the other direction

I was away from Dem Und for many months. I casually opeped it after the Net nation thing and was appalled.

There were claims that Sanders is either a closet racist or at best, stupid whenn it comes to race. Likewise the same things was slung at his white supporters.

And then there was all the crapola fron Clinton supporters that Sanders supporters are naive, blindly angry, simply a cult of personality, etc. And that Sandes is jut an opportnistm the worst enator in the world, etc.

We Sanders supporters are certainly not blameless for the atmosphere. And I'll give a mea cilpa for my own little share.

But it is a two way street (actually more than two-way street), and it is inaccurate to portray it as legions of jerks for Sanders and pure Hillary supporters.

[Fawke Em]

97. I see what you're doing

Calling him the "Vermont Independent" instead of Bernie Sanders.

How about we call your candidate the Corporate Insider's Choice?

I mean, it is true that Bernie is a Vermont Independent, so let's call her what she is, as well.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

98. I am free to characterize candidates however I desire and you are free to do the same.

eom

[Armstead]

107. Your sig line is true -- But not relevant to this

[Sheepshank]

39. Are you really *this* worried for Bernie....

.....that the sum of your posts exist of one liners and snarks at Hillary supporters? How about giving credit where it is due? Hillary is currently in an excellent position...you may not like it, but it is the current fact. Try being a little gracious for a change instead of petualnt and snarky.

[artislife]

46. No. I do snark because there is just so much opportunity

This is so much fun!

[ismnotwasm]

83. Is it?

I indulge occasionally myself, but I generally don't require that much attention to need a steady diet of silly little snark exchanges. Plus I keep in mind the primaries will one day be over, and there are many people I actually like--as much as you CAN like invisible internet people. So I restrain myself.


Is it that way for you?

[George II]

85. Some people seem to be here to take shots at other members, and then revel in it with glee. Sad!

[artislife]

87. And some do it and reveal it with "concern".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. Why ?

No. I do snark because there is just so much opportunity. This is so much fun!

Why is disrespecting random internet posters from the anonymity of an internet connection fun?


Thank you in advance.

[artislife]

89. Snark is my reflex to those disrespecting me...much better than anger.

Read the whole OP.

It might help you understand. Cherry picking doesn't give one the same impression and I find the swarm just looks for the nectar and disregards the entire flower.


Question, am I now on the list to check this am?....this OP is rather old for DU.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

90. Snark is just anger by other means, kind of like practical jokes.

eom

[artislife]

92. But not as nasty.

[Adrahil]

93. Just be sure to have the tissues ready....

I don't think this will end happily for snarky Bernie supports.

[artislife]

94. Yippee! The girls are back in town

How many more of you are going to drop in!



This means I won the top of the list to come by and say a few words!!

I am so honored

honored I say!!



Coffee and donuts for EVERYONE---oops, one of you doesn't eat donuts....hm, oh one of you likes ice cream.....what to do about the no sugar?

Kale doesn't sound as inviting as I want to be...







Maybe a bowl of mixed nuts.

Can't wait!!

[Tommy2Tone]

26. Berniebots not going to like this..

Oh well ... Let's party

[arcane1]

28. Berniebots? Are you 12?

[Tommy2Tone]

32. Not my term.

I copped if from someone else here. And yes I am 12.

[misterhighwasted]

37. Hahaa..me too!

T W e L v E and FOr tY tW O

[Tommy2Tone]

62. I lied..I am 10 but in dog years

[freshwest]

80. OMGawd! ROTFLMAO. Good one. n/t

[Cleita]

27. If this is final. Why not just anoint and crown her now and dispense with all the fuss?

After all if Nate Silver says so it's all over.

Oh! Could that be because this is a democracy and voters need a choice?

[misterhighwasted]

40. lol. The only people claiming the coronation meme are the bernis

Why do you keep saying that. We still have a primary & a GE to get through.
This news, however should make everyone who knows what the GOP will bring down on this country, very happy. Hillary is the one they cannot touch.
She represents everything they hate about America and she is the only person they are afraid of.
She holds that much power and I am proud & honored to stand with her supporters against the fascist Republican Party.

[Cleita]

43. Because you guys are already claiming she's the winner.

It's your fault. Stop the "she's the inevitable" candidate schtick and we won't call her the anointed one. There is a whole campaign season ahead. For all you know she'll lose to Scott Walker or Jeb Bush.

[misterhighwasted]

50. We've never said she is. That poutrage shows up in the many posts against her.

Believe me, Hillary & her supporters have always been quite aware of the dirty games the GOP has in store. I support her completely because I believe she is the only one with the support, and the strong Team that surrounds her.
Hillary represents everything the GOP has worked to destroy. The threat is Hillary Clinton. The battle is with the Right Wing.

If her win can disassemble the RW hold on our Nation, then that is where my loyalty lies till the day she is sworn in as US President.
There is no taking anything for granted in Hillary's race.
Everyone on her Team knows that & it is her adversaries that have referred to her campaign as a coronation, a dynasty. Not us.
Thanks

[Adrahil]

91. Nate Silver did not say it was over by any means....

Silver is NOT the kind of guy to say that. He's a data guy, and he'll talk in probabilities and correlations. He'll never talk about certainties. I mean, even if HRC were 99% likely to win the nomination at this point (she's not), then there would still be a 1% of another outcome.

That doesn't mean the data aren't telling us where things are at the moment, however.

[George II]

29. EVER

People are looking at Iowa, where in 2008 she lost to Obama after holding a lead.

What's not mentioned is that she was only up by 10% and Iowa is the closest neighboring state to Illinios, where Obama was Senator.

Now she's up by ~ 40% to a Senator from a state about 1,000 miles from Iowa. BIG difference on both counts.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. Did a quick take but she was behind in IA at this point in 07

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ia/iowa_democratic_caucus-208.html#polls

I quickly averaged the last five polls.

[MannyGoldstein]

31. Went from "definitely" to "probably"

I think we know what's next, given that her net approval is so awful in NH, IA, and the swing states.

But I guess we'll see.

[tularetom]

33. I'll concede she is in a great position to buy the Democratic nomination

But that won't work so well in the general election when she is up against opponents who are better financed and have the power of the news media on their side. She can whine all she wants to about the NY Times, but overall the beltway political press so far has handled her with kid gloves.

We all saw what they were able to do to John Kerry, a war hero who gave them nothing to work with. And what they have tried to do to Obama for eight years, a president with a spotless ethical reputation. Now imagine what they can do to a Clinton, member of a family with a reputation as slimy as any republican.

The nomination is not the goal. The goal is to keep a republican out of the white house and Clinton is not the candidate who will be able to do that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. Bill Clinton was dogged by charges of being a land swindler, a philanderer, and a draft dodger ...

Bill Clinton was dogged by charges of being a land swindler, a philanderer, and a draft dodger in 1992 and 1996 and he was the first Democrat to be elected and re-elected in his own right since Franklin Delano Roosevelt....

Now, I am sure you will come back at me and say Hill isn't Bill and I would concur. While she lacks his empathy and charm she has his political chops and much more toughness...

John Kerry lost because he was a gentleman...Hillary Clinton will be no wilting lady in the face of GOP attacks, She will throw their shit right back at them.

[George II]

49. But Bill didn't inhale...THAT was a big issue back then. Funny how marijuana has become...

....a non-issue over the years, thankfully.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. I was in Charleston on vacation in 92 on election day and the day before that Hilton Head.

My memories from those halcyon days:

-My mom and I were at an Applebees in Hilton Head and there was a middle age couple, presumably GOP, and they were discussing how Bill wouldn't be so bad.

-In Charleston I saw a car with a sign on the side saying "Bill Clinton is a draft dodger."

-The day after the election there were two African American gentlemen who appeared to be in their 60s who were part of the Omni Charleston wait staff and they were reading 'The State' , the South Carolina newspaper and the one man said to another "he (Clinton) kicked his (Bush) ass, lol

[freshwest]

81. Bill was also accused by the GOP as soon as he took office as favoring gays. I remembe that, too.

Everything and the kitchen sink was thrown at him and Hillary An entire industy aided and abetted by Koch money. And Newt got his majority from non-stop media attacks.

It was extremely vicious and took the nation's mind off the business of running the country, and kept him focused on legal challenges instead of enacting his vision. Which did include healthcare. They derailed that immediately.

Some may have forgotten or not been paying attention when the GOP shut the overnment down. Then paid Starr millions to retire in luxury in an estate worth millions in San Clemente, CA. The home of some of the most wealthy GOP.

And the same voices that made their start on cable television like Tweety have made a career of it, along with Coulter, etc. People are still hanging on every word from these shills for billionaire media owners.

They are for what Bernie says he is against and there's very little different about HRC and BS in terms of policy. Yet some cling to every word to work out their conditioned responses to over a generation of HRC begun by Rush and the rest.

BTW, isn't this a great thread. And that is one of the best posts. All that calumny has been put on Obama as well. The attitude has been seamlessly passed on to HRC by some who spew it now.

[stevenleser]

47. Hillary doesn't have the problem of 50% of the electorate saying they will not vote for a Socialist

That's a pretty huge issue for Bernie.

[Cleita]

52. Well, there is that problem of the other 50% who won't vote for a corporatist either. eom

[stevenleser]

55. Nope, no poll says that. But polls do exist that say no to Socialist. So...

The issue remains.

[George II]

59. 99+ % of voters don't even know what a "corporatist" is.

[uponit7771]

63. Can you point to a source saying such?

[Cleita]

66. You don't need a source, you need arithmetic. Half of Democrats will vote for Bernie or O'Malley

if you are keeping up with the polls. I haven't found a Republican yet who will vote for Hillary, yet many are interested in Bernie.

[uponit7771]

67. I haven't been keeping up with the polls ie the question for the source of this claim... regards

... I know a couple of republicans that will not vote at all (which helps Hillary) instead of voting for another Bush

[tularetom]

57. It's 456 days until the election

And I'll bet you that by that time well more than 50% of the electorate will say they are so sick of Hillary Clinton they wouldn't vote for her for dog catcher.

She doesn't wear well, guy.

[stevenleser]

58. None of what you wrote about Hillary affects the fact that Bernie can't win. nt

[eridani]

61. Bernie attracts the 63%. Clinton does not n/t

[JI7]

69. if he does than he would be leading

And she would have little chance of winning the primary.

[eridani]

70. The alienated don't give a shit about party primaries

And they will not be included in polls of likely Democrats.

[JI7]

71. lol, if they really support Sanders that much they would vote for him in the primary so he can be

the nominee.

[eridani]

72. Most of the local Sanders supporters where I live are not Democrats

They have signed up to work for Sanders, and many will not vote for any other Dem candidate. Clinton doesn't stand a chance with the 63%

[JI7]

73. they can change their registration to vote in the primary

if they truly support him they would do that . they can easily change it back after they vote.

[eridani]

75. Nope. In WA state they have to attend caucuses

There is no registration by party here, and if you say you are a Democrat, you will be allowed a caucus vote.

[JI7]

76. so they should just say they are a democrat to get in and caucus for him

[eridani]

78. They will. And they are actively organizing their friends

Local Clinton supporters aren't doing much in that line yet.

[Renew Deal]

104. If the vocal 63% (of 3%) want Sanders to win, they'll change registration.

Your post reminds me of the fantasies coming from the Romney supporters in 2012.

[eridani]

110. I see you haven't had much experience dealing with alienated voters

Lecturing them does not work. By getting involved, they will eventually teach themselves about strategic voting.

[Renew Deal]

103. 63% of what?

[eridani]

109. 63% = % of eligible voters that did not vote in 2014

Exactly how many newbies are at Clinton events?

[Renew Deal]

102. There's a lot less than 456 days to figure out that problem.

Iowa is 6 months away.

[RichVRichV]

79. We're going to go through this one again?

If polls say 50% of the electorate won't vote for a socialist then that means that 50% is willing to vote for a socialist. That's after decades of demonizing the word with no major advocate for it. Wait until someone actually starts explaining what socialism offers. We're already starting off pretty good.

You also have to take into account the around 30% of the population that will never vote for anyone with a D after their name. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of that group also falls into the never vote for a socialist block (Republicans don't strike me as socialist lovers). No one on our side is getting their vote. So the size of the never vote for a socialist block that we actually care about is much smaller than it originally was, and much smaller than the block that would be willing to vote for a socialist.



The majority of the country was against gay marriage before they were for it. The majority of the country was against legalizing marijuana before they were for it. The views on those issues changed in a hurry once they finally changed. And those are issues that don't even directly affect the majority of the population. People simply came around because it was right. Wealth inequality, health care, education, fair elections. Those are issues that all the population has a stake in and most feel we can do better on.

[stevenleser]

82. if you believe what you wrote, then we clearly need to go over it many more times

The actual tally is, 48% would consider it, 50% would not under any circumstances, and 2% aren't sure.

Let's say that 50% would consider it. No candidate gets all of the folks willing to consider voting for a particular class.

So some percentage of the 50% will simply not vote for Bernie. At a minimum, that number will be 10%, it will likely be more.

So, best case scenario, we are looking like an electoral landslide ala 1980 with Bernie winning at most 3-5 states. That is what we are seeing now in head to head polling. Bernie is in a statistical tie with most of the Repug candidates in California of all places.

The nomination of Bernie would turn California into a battleground state and any states less Liberal than California would be in the Repug column.

Even that doesn't adequately explain how bad it would be because once you put a number of states out of reach for one of the candidates, the other candidate can concentrate their money and resources on the remaining states. So it would be very very bad.

[George II]

84. It would be more like 1984, except Vermont doesn't have 10 electoral votes.

[RichVRichV]

99. So where is this poll?

I assume it asked what percentage of that 50% equates socialism to communism (I'm gonna bet it's pretty high). Do they know that other types exist? I assume it asks if the people knew this country has had socialism since it's inception? I assume those people that reject socialism know that the paved roads they drive on without paying a toll; the public grade and high schools they send their children to; the police, fire, and military that protect them; the postal service; social security and medicare that provide for the elderly are all socialism? Did the polls ask those questions?


The simple fact is half the population rejects socialism because they have been programmed to hate it for a generation now, without being told what it actually is. It's just one big commie infiltration scare to them. Find anyone who isn't a hard core randian or libertarian and they already love socialistic ideas without even knowing they're socialism. There's a reason why so many people who claim to hate socialism love Bernie once they listen to him. Many don't even realize what he's preaching is socialism. It just appears to be common sense because it is. It's why he can appeal across the isle even to Republicans.


Socialism isn't a word to run scared from, just like liberal isn't a word to run scared from. It's time we quit acting like cowards and go on the offensive. Get out there and explain to people why we're better than the Republicans instead of trying to triangulate our way around them.

[stevenleser]

100. Here is the poll.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

[RichVRichV]

111. Thank you.

As I expected there were no follow up questions on the survey. In fact socialist was the one question they didn't even have trend data from. Still there's some things that can be gleaned from this.

1) Republicans are much less likely to vote for a socialist than anyone else. No surprise there, it's exactly what I figured. They're easily the most brainwashed group in politics.

2) As age groups get older they become less likely to vote for a socialist. Again exactly what I figured. Many of them equate socialism with the red scare. They younger groups simply never went through that and are more open minded.

As I have stated, people are against socialism because they don't truly understand what it is. There has been no major figure advocating for it in a very very long time.



The simple fact is Bernie has been a self avowed socialist for a really long time. It's never hurt him in Vermont. He is one of the major reasons it switched from red to blue. Many Republicans in that state vote for him. You can argue economic of scales between a small state and a national election all you want. But there's no way a poll of 1500 trumps an election of over 275,000.

[Lil Missy]

53. He hasn't seen DU. n/t

[Aerows]

56. Voted for Hillary in the 2008 Primary.

Not feeling it in 2016. O'Malley or Sanders are better choices.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

64. And, she's no longer dead broke.

[Gothmog]

96. Good tweet by Nate

[Renew Deal]

101. I think everyone knows it and few want to acknowledge it.