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azmom

(5,208 posts)
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 01:56 PM Aug 2015

Major Environmental Group Endorses Bernie

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/bernie-sanders-climate-change-2016-20150801

"We're seeing a lot of speeches from candidates, but Bernie has an incredibly strong track record and there's a lot of credibility there. He's also willing to say 'no' where some other candidates aren't," Erich Pica, the president of Friends of the Earth Action, said in an interview.

Many environmentalists fear that Clinton's cozy relationship with Wall Street and silence on some environmental issues may be a sign that she won't go far enough at a time when aggressive action is needed to stem the tide of global warming. And they see Sanders as a more-steadfast environmental champion.

Unlike Clinton, Sanders is on record saying that he supports a carbon tax, opposes Arctic offshore drilling, has voiced support for a ban on fracking in Vermont, supports the divestment movement, and opposes Keystone XL.
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Major Environmental Group Endorses Bernie (Original Post) azmom Aug 2015 OP
The Sierra Club is a thousand times bigger and is already leaning towards Hillary. onehandle Aug 2015 #1
That's from April HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #3
'Long before most people had knew about Sanders' onehandle Aug 2015 #5
He announced his presidential campaign on April 30th... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #6
The article WAS dated April 1st, and in any case, you didn't Divernan Aug 2015 #20
Hi there, and appreciated... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #26
April 30th: "The Sierra Club has not yet begun any endorsement process for the 2016 Presidential..." bananas Aug 2015 #36
Well that is excellent HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #37
+1000 MissDeeds Aug 2015 #27
"Bernie is running on his record. Their candidate is trying to run from hers." beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #39
Absolutely! MissDeeds Aug 2015 #40
Thanks! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #41
Not only is it a valid point, but it applies to large numbers of other groups and voters who GoneFishin Aug 2015 #49
Your lack of comprehension is hilarious. bluedigger Aug 2015 #28
The Sierra Club has been subsumed by big money interests 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #7
Well ...no wonder they are for Hillary. L0oniX Aug 2015 #9
Look at what Friends of the Earth says about elections azmom Aug 2015 #34
I've been a long time contributer, but I've been thinking about dropping them. rwsanders Aug 2015 #10
Most likely the leadership has been co opted. Stay and fight for a environmentally friendly rhett o rick Aug 2015 #44
Me too - I'm calling them next week. Divernan Aug 2015 #46
Aren't they anti-immigration also? CanadaexPat Aug 2015 #51
He announced April 29th artislife Aug 2015 #14
*snort* Cleita Aug 2015 #16
The Sierra Club has long ago been co opted by corporations. Of course they would rhett o rick Aug 2015 #45
Awesomeness! "a more-steadfast environmental champion" <- That's Bernie! nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #2
Friends of the Earth is an important endorsement. Scruffy1 Aug 2015 #4
I can't wait for the Hillarious Clintonistas to call Bernie an eco terrorist. L0oniX Aug 2015 #8
Oh ya...3, 2, 1, zero. SoapBox Aug 2015 #11
I never heard of them. George II Aug 2015 #12
And??? artislife Aug 2015 #15
Not surprised. bluedigger Aug 2015 #29
If I was pretending to care about the environment I wouldn't brag about that. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #42
Here's the Washington Post article on the endorsement kenn3d Aug 2015 #13
I guess they don't read much. elleng Aug 2015 #17
I don't hate MoM angrychair Aug 2015 #30
I'm glad you don't hate him.We have/had the best public schools in the country when he was governor, elleng Aug 2015 #33
O'Malley's record on the environment is pretty good. But when he says that Vattel Aug 2015 #50
LOL. JaneyVee Aug 2015 #18
Cap and trade is a scam for Wall Street to make money by trading carbon credits. Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #19
Keep in mind: Bernie supports it as well. JaneyVee Aug 2015 #21
You are wrong. Bernie Sanders is against cap and trade. Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #22
That must be why he voted YES on it... JaneyVee Aug 2015 #24
I would say maybe he voted for it as part of an overall package Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #25
Thank you dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #47
I'm not sure how major FOE really is but... Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #23
Thanks azmom saidsimplesimon Aug 2015 #31
As a latina, I appreciate Friends of the Earth azmom Aug 2015 #32
I'm shocked! ..., NOT!! Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #35
Kicking and highly recommending. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #38
I find something missing here dsc Aug 2015 #43
An environmental group is not very similar to a labor union dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #48
they did get a say dsc Aug 2015 #52
Not really dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #55
what agreed upon date? dsc Aug 2015 #56
Exactly, no contests happen, only campaigning dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #57
you seem to have no problem at all with the enviromental group having endorsed now dsc Aug 2015 #58
I made the point that an environmental group is not like the teacher's union dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #59
your argument might have some validity as to whether members should be polled dsc Aug 2015 #60
Why the hell not? Disagree. - eom dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #61
Bernie has always been the best on the Environment, he has a fantastic record sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #53
Good to know. nt LWolf Aug 2015 #54

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
1. The Sierra Club is a thousand times bigger and is already leaning towards Hillary.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 02:02 PM
Aug 2015
“With the implementation of the Clean Power Plan and critical climate negotiations in Paris on the horizon, climate action will be a major theme in the 2016 election. This election, Secretary Clinton has the opportunity to build on her strong environmental record, bring real leadership to the climate fight, and lay out her plan to grow the American clean energy economy.”"

http://content.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2015/04/sierra-club-statement-hillary-clinton-s-campaign-announcement

But I will say that Friends of the Earth, which I have contributed to, is more appropriate for Senator Sanders.
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
3. That's from April
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 02:07 PM
Aug 2015

Long before most people had knew about Sanders. I'm not saying they won't come out and support her, but I think there's a decent chance they could end up supporting Bernie instead.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
5. 'Long before most people had knew about Sanders'
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 02:09 PM
Aug 2015

Do you seriously think that Friends of the Earth was not aware of Senator Sanders?

LOL!

Thanks. That's hilarious.

Also The Sierra Club did not endorse Obama until after Hillary conceded. They endorsed him over McCain, not Hillary.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
6. He announced his presidential campaign on April 30th...
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 02:13 PM
Aug 2015

Which is after that article had been written. I think it's a valid point.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
20. The article WAS dated April 1st, and in any case, you didn't
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:20 PM
Aug 2015

deserve the snarky ridicule response you received. Welcome to DU. I've been here since 2002, and I've never seen near the nastiness which is currently directed at those supporting Sanders.

Edited to clarify, you were absolutely right, the article was dated April 1st, and the Snarkmeister was dead wrong, but don't hold your breath waiting for an apology. Thanks to bluedigger, Post 28, for the clarification.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
36. April 30th: "The Sierra Club has not yet begun any endorsement process for the 2016 Presidential..."
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 06:08 PM
Aug 2015
http://content.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2015/04/sierra-club-statement-campaign-announcement-bernie-sanders

Sierra Club Statement on Campaign Announcement by Bernie Sanders
Thursday, April 30, 2015
Contact:
Trey Pollard (202) 495-3058 or trey.pollard@sierraclub.org

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Today, U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders announced he would officially begin his campaign for President of the United States.

The Sierra Club has not yet begun any endorsement process for the 2016 Presidential election.

In response, Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune released the following statement:

"With Senator Sanders entering the Democratic primary, Americans can be sure that this election will include a robust and healthy discussion of fundamentally important challenges like tackling the climate crisis, getting big corporate money out of politics, and investing to grow our clean energy economy. On behalf of the Sierra Club’s 2.4 million members and supporters, we welcome Senator Sanders to the 2016 race and look forward to the debate on these issues in the months to come.”

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
27. +1000
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:47 PM
Aug 2015

The nastiness is off the charts, which speaks to their desperation. Bernie is running on his record. Their candidate is trying to run from hers.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
39. "Bernie is running on his record. Their candidate is trying to run from hers."
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 06:22 PM
Aug 2015

That is awesome, can I use it?


GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
49. Not only is it a valid point, but it applies to large numbers of other groups and voters who
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:40 AM
Aug 2015

simply did not Bernie was running, while at the same time most assumed Hillary would run.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
28. Your lack of comprehension is hilarious.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:52 PM
Aug 2015

The Sierra Club article you posted was from April, before Sanders had announced his candidacy. The FOE release is from today. I expect the Sierra Club will follow the directions of it's big money donors, as usual.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
7. The Sierra Club has been subsumed by big money interests
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 02:20 PM
Aug 2015

Many would argue that Sierra Club has sold-out to the point
that it's part of the problem, not the solution. So I guess it
makes sense they might lean towards Hillary.

Why The Sierra Club No Longer Deserves Your Trust
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/why-the-sierra-club-no-lo_b_611447.html

How the Sierra Club Took Millions From the Natural Gas Industry
http://science.time.com/2012/02/02/exclusive-how-the-sierra-club-took-millions-from-the-natural-gas-industry-and-why-they-stopped/

Sierra Club (between 2007 and 2010) clandestinely accepted $25 million from the fracking industry, with most of the donations coming from Chesapeake Energy.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2012/03/26/breaking-sierra-club

azmom

(5,208 posts)
34. Look at what Friends of the Earth says about elections
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 04:15 PM
Aug 2015

Why would cleaner elections matter for the planet? In poll after poll, voters say that they care about the environment, but it’s hard to get elected officials to take the lead on and support environmental legislation. Environmental issues often end up taking a back seat to the political priorities proffered by big corporate donors. And by the same token, politicians who are the biggest recipients of polluter money often go to great lengths to quash pro-environment bills. Getting big money out of elections would help give environmental issues a fair shake in government. -


See more at: http://www.foe.org/projects/economics-for-the-earth/election-financing#.dpuf

rwsanders

(2,603 posts)
10. I've been a long time contributer, but I've been thinking about dropping them.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 02:46 PM
Aug 2015

If they endorse Hillary, I'm done. It may be time to let them know beforehand.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
44. Most likely the leadership has been co opted. Stay and fight for a environmentally friendly
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:22 PM
Aug 2015

leadership. It's like the Democratic Party, the leadership has been co opted, bhe grassroots are still good Democrats

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
14. He announced April 29th
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:01 PM
Aug 2015

They were probably thinking no one else would challenge.

The earliest I can find him as a likely candidate is April 26th

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
16. *snort*
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:12 PM
Aug 2015

They issued an identical press release about Bernie Sanders. They aren't endorsing anyone but welcoming their candidacy.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
4. Friends of the Earth is an important endorsement.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 02:08 PM
Aug 2015

Personally, I consider them one of the few "environmental" groups that hasn't sold out to corporate America. Their membership is much smaller, but I think younger and more active. I am member, neither that young or that active at my age.

kenn3d

(486 posts)
13. Here's the Washington Post article on the endorsement
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 02:57 PM
Aug 2015
Sanders to win support of environmental group that sees Clinton ‘equivocating’

The political arm of Friends of the Earth, which bills itself as the world's largest grass-roots environmental network, will throw its support behind the senator from Vermont at an event in Concord and then join him at a town-hall meeting in Manchester, according to its president, Erich Pica.
...
Pica pointed to the proposed Keystone XL oil pipeline as an issue emblematic of the differences his group sees between Sanders and Clinton. Sanders has been steadfast in his opposition to the project, which environmentalists see as unnecessary and dangerous. Clinton, meanwhile, hedged this week, saying she wouldn't offer an up-or-down position until she's president.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/01/sanders-to-win-support-of-environmental-group-that-sees-clinton-equivocating/

elleng

(130,918 posts)
17. I guess they don't read much.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:12 PM
Aug 2015
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/06/18/pope-francis-encyclical-clean-energy-technology-campaign-column/28859409/

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/23/3683536/omalley-climate-change-isis/

We should incentivize production of clean energy—it's better for our environment & consumers.

- Martin O'Malley https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/

"Thus far, no other candidate has said they're going to make climate change their top priority.

Martin O'Malley has not only done that, but he has outlined a plan that would enact emissions reductions in line with what scientists say is necessary to slow global climate change—worldwide emissions reductions of 40-70 percent by 2050—and he's the only candidate to do that, too. His plan would phase out fossil-fueled power plants altogether, by midcentury. Along with the USA Today op-ed, he released a white paper further outlining his scheme."

‪#?OMalley2016‬ ‪#?NewLeadership‬ ‪#?CleanEnergy‬

from Martin O'Malley, on energy independence

Today I visited Southwest Iowa Renewable Energy in Council Bluffs. We discussed the products and processes around refining ethanol, and the importance of becoming truly energy independent. The CEO said to me, "These are steady jobs, and for our area some of the best jobs. That's important for new generations."
I agree. We have to accelerate a transition right now to renewable energy sources and create jobs for a renewable energy future.
Read my plan: http://omly.us/climate-iowa

Martin O'Malley on Energy, in Iowa. Video

Two weeks ago, I released my plan to power the U.S. with 100% renewable energy by 2050. This week, I'm traveling to Iowa, which has been a model state in meeting the climate challenge with a jobs agenda. Check out a quick video from my last trip and be sure to keep an eye out for more to come later this week.

https://www.facebook.com/MartinOMalley?fref=nf

The Presidential Candidate With a Plan to Run the US on 100% Clean Energy
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/martin-omalley-clean-energy-candidate


I think I'll send this to Friends of Earth Action.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
30. I don't hate MoM
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:58 PM
Aug 2015

But I can't get around how he sold out Maryland to the gambling industry for a quick buck. I just don't think it's in the state's best interest.
I DO NOT believe that things like gambling, drinking, prostitution and pot should be illegal but I don't think that states should be balancing their budgets (or trying to at least) on it. We should be more focused on building a vibrate, diverse and well-educated workforce of tradespeople, scientists and engineers and artist. A well-maintained and multi-faceted transportation infrastructure. These things bring prosperty and long-term returns to a society.

elleng

(130,918 posts)
33. I'm glad you don't hate him.We have/had the best public schools in the country when he was governor,
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 04:13 PM
Aug 2015

and tho I don't like gambling, there was a huge amount of discussion here on the subject. HE didn't like the time it took from him OR the fact of gambling himself.

O’Malley arrived in Annapolis in 2007, after four years of acrimonious State House debate over gambling. His predecessor, Robert L.?Ehrlich Jr. (R), and Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. (D-Calvert) had pushed relentlessly to legalize slot machines; House Speaker Michael E.?Busch (D-Anne Arundel) and his chamber resisted.

Proponents of slots argued that Marylanders were taking their money to play in the surrounding states of Delaware, West Virginia and Pennsylvania, where the machines were legal.

O’Malley offered a compromise that called for putting the issue to voters on the 2008 ballot. A ballot measure was approved, authorizing slots in five locations around the state, and O’Malley expressed hope that the legislature could move on to other priorities.

Before long, gambling advocates started pushing for a sixth location, in Prince George’s County, and for Las Vegas-style table games, such as blackjack and roulette, that had been approved in other states. O’Malley reluctantly agreed to call a special legislative session in 2012 to act on those proposals.

“This is not so much about what we want as what we need to get behind us,” he said at the time. “I don’t know a single member of the General Assembly who ran for office wanting to deal with the issue of gaming year in and year out. For crying out loud, aren’t we all tired of this by now?”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/gov-omalley-brought-casinos-to-maryland-but-that-doesnt-mean-he-likes-them/2014/09/02/4a37050a-2eba-11e4-994d-202962a9150c_story.html

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
50. O'Malley's record on the environment is pretty good. But when he says that
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:13 AM
Aug 2015

"Together, we brought back the health of the waters of the Chesapeake Bay." [Iowa, 4/10/2015], he is exaggerating. The Chesapeake Bay Foundation gave the health of the Chesapeake Bay a "D-plus" last year, only slightly higher than the "D" grade it gave just before O'Malley became governor. From the Baltimore Sun:

"We're very happy with many actions that the O'Malley administration took," said Karla Raettig, executive director of the Maryland League of Conservation Voters. "We were sometimes frustrated."

The biggest frustration, several environmentalist say: the O'Malley administration's delay of rules to limit phosphorous runoff. The rules were intended to limit how much chicken manure farmers may use as fertilizer. When it rains, the runoff washes phosphorus into the bay.

After years of considering the rules, which are opposed by farmers, O'Malley waited until after November's election to begin the process of implementing them.

Governor Hogan, in one of his first acts in office, suspended the rules days before they took effect. He then reached a deal with Democratic legislators that would keep much of O'Malley's proposal in place, while delaying the implementation for some farmers.


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-omalley-speech-facts-20150418-story.html#page=1
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
18. LOL.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:16 PM
Aug 2015

Good endorsement, bad article. Hillary doesn't support carbon pricing? She campaigned on it AND WROTE THE CAP AND TRADE BILL. Not to mention, Bernie doesn't even have a climate proposal. None.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
19. Cap and trade is a scam for Wall Street to make money by trading carbon credits.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:19 PM
Aug 2015

Please keep this in mind at all times.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
22. You are wrong. Bernie Sanders is against cap and trade.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:21 PM
Aug 2015

He supports taxing carbon at the point of extraction.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
25. I would say maybe he voted for it as part of an overall package
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:43 PM
Aug 2015

I have no idea what you linked there. The cloture motion on the Boxer Amendment to the Lieberman bill? What is that?

But as a first choice he is against cap-and-trade. In the major climate change bill that he introduced with Barbara Boxer he supports a carbon tax, not cap-and-trade.

Which you can also see him discuss here at about 29 minutes into this Vox interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=S5vOKKMipSA&t=29m11s


You can read about his support for a carbon tax here:
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/why-we-need-a-carbon-tax


And here is his statement explaining his vote on that Lieberman-Warner cap and trade bill that you referenced:

While the Lieberman-Warner cap and trade bill is a step forward, it goes nowhere near far enough in creating the policies that the scientific community says must be developed if we are to avert a planetary catastrophe. It is also lacking in paving the way for the transformation of our energy system away from fossil fuels to energy efficiency and sustainable energy technologies. Here are some of my concerns with the Lieberman-Warner bill:

First, virtually all of the scientific evidence tells us that, at the least, we must reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 80 percent by the year 2050 if we stand a chance to reverse global warming. Lieberman-Warner, under the very best projections, provides a 66 percent reduction.

Second, this legislation allows major polluters to continue emitting greenhouse gases for free until 2036. In fact, old-fashioned dirty coal burning plants could still be built during this period. That’s wrong. The “right to pollute” should not be given away for up to 24 years. Further, in calculating emission reductions, the bill relies much too heavily on “offsets,” a process which is difficult to verify and which could significantly undermine the actual emissions caps.

Third, this bill provides a massive amount of corporate welfare to industries which have been major emitters of greenhouse gasses while requiring minimal performance standards and accountability. According to a report by Friends of the Earth, the auction and allocation processes of the bill could generate up to $3.6 trillion dollars over a 38 year period. While a large fund exists in the bill for “low carbon technology,” there is no guaranteed allocation for such important technologies as wind, solar, geo-thermal, hydrogen or for energy efficiency. But, there is a guaranteed allotment of $324 billion for the coal industry through an “Advanced Coal and Sequestration program” and $232 billion for the auto industry for “Advanced Technology Vehicles.”
http://grist.org/article/global-warming-and-political-will/

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
47. Thank you
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:35 AM
Aug 2015

And the "point of extraction" is excellent. Taxing consumers is also effective, as it insentivizes conservation, but it is highly regressive, many poorer people pay a higher percentage of their income on transportation costs, and they are already hurting. Taxation at the point of extraction is something I rarely see anyone advocate, which frustrates me no end.

The extraction industry is literally drowning in profits, if extraction were a lot more expensive for them, perhaps they would be more open to alternative energy strategies, or they could just go out of business, fine with me either way.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
23. I'm not sure how major FOE really is but...
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 03:24 PM
Aug 2015

There is one much more major group 350.org that is clearly closely aligned with Sanders.

I don't think they issue endorsements but maybe they should.

But their founder Bill McKibben has endorsed Bernie.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
31. Thanks azmom
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 04:02 PM
Aug 2015

I've worked with the Sierra Club on issues like storing nuclear waste in Yucca Mountain and the KXL. When we disagree, I go my way.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
32. As a latina, I appreciate Friends of the Earth
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 04:07 PM
Aug 2015

Stance on environmental justice.

We understand that the ways we interact with the environment and the burden of pollution we bear are closely tied to class, race, gender, age and other forms of identity. Groups confronting racial and economic injustice are often targeted by polluting industries and others who harm the environment for profit. Achieving strong and lasting environmental protection depends on challenging forms of oppression that fuel and enable environmental destruction.

- See more at: http://www.foe.org/about-us/what-we-stand-for/anti-oppression#.dpuf

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
38. Kicking and highly recommending.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 06:21 PM
Aug 2015

And not just because of the Hillary supporters showing their hineys all over this thread.


dsc

(52,162 posts)
43. I find something missing here
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:09 PM
Aug 2015

when the AFT endorsed Hillary many virtual trees were killed telling us just how awful their process was. We heard that it was rigged. We heard that asking a bit over a thousand teachers wasn't enough. And on and on. Here not one word about what the process even was. Now, I will be consistent. This organization should get to endorse who they want using whatever method of deciding that they want.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
48. An environmental group is not very similar to a labor union
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:39 AM
Aug 2015

Those teachers deserve a voice in who their union endorses. Some NGO's poll their members before making policy recommendations and candidate endorsements, some don't, members have the option of joining other advocacy groups (unlike teachers, AFT is their union) if they don't like it. I have no idea if members were polled by FOE, but the comparison is a stretch.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
52. they did get a say
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 11:24 AM
Aug 2015

there was a poll. What they didn't get was a minority veto of the union's decision. By your logic unions shouldn't ever endorse since at least some members will support other candidates.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
55. Not really
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 04:39 PM
Aug 2015

They needlessly moved up the usual and agreed-to date of endorsement by months to avoid allowing the rising candidate from the left to get sufficient momentum, nip it in the bud so to speak, polled a very small sample of their members and said "all good, it's HRC!" to get the endorsement for Weingarten's friend Hillary. Not the normal flow of business for that union at all, it was designed to produce a certain result for a certain candidate.

Very nice try at twisting my view to saying what you claimed I was saying. Not even close to what I was saying. The endorsement was NOT a true or fair representation of that union's membership, who should have been granted, as they usually are, a significant period of the primary campaign to vet the candidates.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
56. what agreed upon date?
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 04:59 PM
Aug 2015

There was no agreed upon date, that is just plain fiction. They also polled over a thousand members. Assuming it was a random sample that isn't a small sample. It is larger than many national polls that we quote continually here. They endorsed in July this time, and in October last time. No contests happen between July and October. Mondale got an endorsement from this union in July when he ran.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
57. Exactly, no contests happen, only campaigning
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 05:36 PM
Aug 2015

so no need to endorse early. You had to go back to Mondale for an example? Waiting till October would have been appropriate.

I'm sorry, you are arguing something that may serve your candidate's interest (I don't know who your candidate is) but it in no way serves to best represent the interests of the teachers, who should have been given the benefit of the pre-primary campaign period to form their opinions.

Why endorse now? We don't even know all of the candidates yet, Biden may jump in, and most were not considering Sanders as a real possibilit, but given time that might change.

I read that there was an agreement to not endorse before the fall, not going to hunt for that link but I didn't make it up.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
58. you seem to have no problem at all with the enviromental group having endorsed now
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 05:41 PM
Aug 2015

so which is it? It is Ok to endorse now or it isn't Ok to endorse now?

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
59. I made the point that an environmental group is not like the teacher's union
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:02 PM
Aug 2015

but apparently you ignored that and insist that they have similar obligations to their constituents. The situations are not really all that similar IMO, which I explained in my first reply to you.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
60. your argument might have some validity as to whether members should be polled
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:08 PM
Aug 2015

but it has no validity as to timing. Especially when you use Joe Biden as a reason why the endorsement of the AFT was too early.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
53. Bernie has always been the best on the Environment, he has a fantastic record
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 11:50 AM
Aug 2015

and was named a Climate Hawk for his work on this issue.

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