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Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:36 PM Jun 2012

Is "Anybody But Obama" going to be enough for Romney to win in November?

My gut feeling is that it won't unless Romney starts to whip up some genuine enthusiasm (ha!) or something goes horribly, horribly wrong with the economy. John Kerry came *close* to unseating George W. Bush in 2004 as an "anti-Bush" but still wasn't able to generate enough enthusiasm to convince enough people to "switch horses" and vote for him over George W. Bush. What does everybody else think?

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Is "Anybody But Obama" going to be enough for Romney to win in November? (Original Post) Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 OP
I suspect that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #1
I think that the Republicans Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #2
If the jobs data from now until November continues to stink--it might be. WI_DEM Jun 2012 #3
yes Skittles Jun 2012 #4
nope liberalnationalist Jun 2012 #5
Possibly bigwillq Jun 2012 #6
Not by itself SoutherDem Jun 2012 #7
Have yet to see a single Romney sticker in NC. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #8
I don't really hear anybody talking about Romney Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #9
I have a neighbor who has a "NOBAMA" magnet on his car ... well ... JoePhilly Jun 2012 #11
Wonder why he's not "prouder' of being anti-Obama Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #12
Its pretty funny JoePhilly Jun 2012 #25
Taxes are the price for civilization Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #26
It does seem that way. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #28
Indiana Rosanna Lopez Jun 2012 #30
Havent seen any recent polls Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #31
Indiana polls Rosanna Lopez Jun 2012 #33
I doubt the Repubs Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #36
Same here in SC. GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #21
That's very interesting ... JoePhilly Jun 2012 #29
I see more anti-Obama than Romney stickers in MO pstokely Jun 2012 #37
No. blue neen Jun 2012 #10
Romney's biggest problem Aerows Jun 2012 #13
Excellent point Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #14
Perhaps Anybody but Mitt would be appropriate for the Left cr8tvlde Jun 2012 #17
Ignore it from the Right Aerows Jun 2012 #22
It didn't work for Dems in '04. JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #15
That's what voter suppression is for - to provide that little bit extra... polichick Jun 2012 #16
Probably not. Usually it isn't enough RZM Jun 2012 #18
YES Carolina Jun 2012 #19
Not even close. sofa king Jun 2012 #20
i hope iot does not work. n/t hrmjustin Jun 2012 #23
That gets Romney about 40% of the vote. DCBob Jun 2012 #24
McCain got 46% in 2008 Rosanna Lopez Jun 2012 #32
I dont think all of McCain's votes were anti-Obama. DCBob Jun 2012 #34
For the backwash, yes. gkhouston Jun 2012 #27
Only if it makes it close enough to steal. Sky Masterson Jun 2012 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Jul 2012 #39
Romney is running the Seinfeld Show of political campaigns aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2012 #38
Interesting politicasista Jul 2012 #40

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
2. I think that the Republicans
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:48 PM
Jun 2012

are throwing as much stuff out there as possible to see if anything sticks. I've not seen any evidence (so far) that F & F is sticking in most people's minds. That may well change but so far it's only Republicans whom are freaking out over this. As long as Dems don't join in, it will (likely) be seen as nothing more than a partisan witch hunt motivated by some fringe conspiracy theorists. Solyndra was supposed to be another major "scandal" that went nowhere as well (because there was, of course, nothing there).

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
6. Possibly
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:57 PM
Jun 2012

It will depend on how jobs/economy is during the fall, how well each party brings out its base and how the indys swing.
Right now, I think Obama will be re-elected, but there's still too many factors out there that could potentially swing it the other way.

SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
7. Not by itself
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jun 2012

If something happens and the economy collapse again, if the F&F issue goes bad, or some other unknown then the Anit-Obama could be enough.

If Romney actually decided to take a stand for something other than what his programmers say, which only caters to the rich white christian men, he might get some traction.

But, under the status quo, I don't see it happening.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
9. I don't really hear anybody talking about Romney
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:21 PM
Jun 2012

Mostly crickets here in Indiana. Seen a few Romney stickers but mostly they're some variety of "anti-Obama" stickers.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
11. I have a neighbor who has a "NOBAMA" magnet on his car ... well ...
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:31 PM
Jun 2012

he has it sometimes ... he's clearly not so proud of it, he takes it off the car most of the time, but every once in a while, he's got it on the car .. my guess is he only puts it on when he's going to some GOP/Teaparty type activity.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
12. Wonder why he's not "prouder' of being anti-Obama
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:49 PM
Jun 2012


Most anti-Obama haters would wear them in box, with a fox, on a train or in the rain, they would wear them here or there, and would wear them anywhere!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
25. Its pretty funny
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 07:55 PM
Jun 2012

His daughter and my daughter play softball in a local league. We're talking 12-13 year old girls.

The fields are beautiful, much nicer than anything I ever played on.

When he and I see each other at games we usually don't talk politics. But one time he made a statement about how taxes are destroying the country.

And I said, "Yea, I mean ... I can only imagine how much taxes the town has to collect to keep these fields looking so nice, much nicer than anything I played on growing up, at any level. " I thought his jaw would drop right off his face.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
26. Taxes are the price for civilization
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 08:45 AM
Jun 2012

All we hear from right-wingers is how we need to get rid of as many taxes as possible yet there is never any definitive explanation as to where the money for things like protection services, infrastructure, etc is going to come from if not through taxes. A lot of people must believe that these kind of things just magically appear or something.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
31. Havent seen any recent polls
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:44 PM
Jun 2012

but all indications are that Indiana will go red this year. I really just hope we dont go for Pence!

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
36. I doubt the Repubs
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 07:53 AM
Jun 2012

want to allow Indiana to go blue again for another 44 years (though who knows where the GOP will be in the next 4-8)

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
21. Same here in SC.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:07 PM
Jun 2012

A few yard signs in front of houses of some of the dressage horsey types, but nobody wants to put that sticker on their cars. I see a few Ron Paul stickers, and some anti-Obama bullshit, but even here in one of the reddest parts of a red state, there are still more "Obama 2012" stickers than anything. Even the Mormon kid who lives across the street doesn't have any Romney stuff displayed. And, he supported the guy in the 2008 primaries.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
29. That's very interesting ...
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:48 PM
Jun 2012

SC didn't seem to like Romney much during the primary. I can't imagine Romney not winning SC, although there are lots of fundamentalists in SC, and I can imagine many of them staying home ... they won't vote for the Muslim, and they can't vote for the cultist Romney because they risk spending eternity in Hell for doing so.

Safer to just sit this one out.

I can dream ...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
13. Romney's biggest problem
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:30 PM
Jun 2012

is "Anybody but Romney". There are more than a few Republicans expressing that opinion here in the South.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
17. Perhaps Anybody but Mitt would be appropriate for the Left
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:02 PM
Jun 2012

for those disillusioned by Obama. I believe, given not having to be distracted with re-election, he will give the next four years over to some of those liberal issues we hoped for and need to start demanding...loudly.

Also, it bodes well for 2016. As we learned from GWB, money and power cover up a lot of insanity and buy large numbers of votes and are capable of providing 8 unfettered years.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
22. Ignore it from the Right
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:34 PM
Jun 2012

Because that is where it comes from. Republicans have totally messed this up, but I'm sitting back smiling. You couldn't drag an ancient Southern Baptist to the poll to vote for a Mormon, and there are a hell of a lot of them in the South.

You can try, but you need to realize that "Obama is black" is better than "Romney is a Mormon". That won't drag people to the polls, and Baptists won't preach it in the pulpits which is a conventionally safe place for Republicans to get votes.

Start naming Southern Baptists that endorse Romney on religious grounds.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
16. That's what voter suppression is for - to provide that little bit extra...
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:35 AM
Jun 2012

Watch 2000 happen all over again. Why not, nobody paid a price for corruption last time.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
18. Probably not. Usually it isn't enough
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:09 PM
Jun 2012

Saying 'I'm not the other guy' can take you pretty far. But in order to get over the finish line, you need to make some sort of positive case. In order to win you need at least some of your support to be from people who genuinely like you. And Romney doesn't have many of those types of supporters.

As was pointed out above, 2004 was the very definition of this type of campaign. And while Kerry came close, he didn't quite make it.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
19. YES
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:25 PM
Jun 2012

because you have the virulently racist, the truly ignorant and the willfilly ignorant who will most assuredly vote for anybody but BHO!

As for Kerry v Bush. Kerry blew it by voting for IWR and then twisting himself and his meandering words in knots to justify and rationalize his vote during the campaign. Plus he didn't stand up to the purple heart mockers, the swiftboaters, etc. No fight!

Even before 2004, I remember thinking how there was no way that Bush would defeat Gore in 2000. Surely Gore would demolish GWB in the debates. Wrong. Yes, the repukes stole it but only because it was so ridiculously close to begin with. That should never have been the case. Joe Lieberman was awful VP pick and I do not say that from the perspective of knowing what we all know about that weasel now. I thought and said so at the time. Never liked that showboating SOB who helped found the DLC, but his Senate floor condemnation of Clinton for the Lewinsky BS sealed the deal for me! Ever heard him say anything bad -- before or after --about a repuke?!

Face it, Dems just don't fight hard enough for themselves much less for us, as in We, the People. Gone are the days -- and likes -- of FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ.

And so yes, Rmoney could easily win simply by being anybody ...

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
20. Not even close.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:45 PM
Jun 2012

The machinery in Congress is already cranking up, and over the next six weeks we will see Republicans have to block an extension of the middle class tax cuts in order to preserve the tax cuts for the rich.

It is a little sad that it has come to this, leveraging the naked self-interest of a huge sector of terrible voters against their party, but President Obama and Senate Dems have long since gamed the table so that in a couple of months, every Republican is going to have this simple thought bouncing around his mind:

If I stay home and don't vote at all, I can pay myself up to $2000.

We have leveraged the greed of our most ignorant and amoral voters against the people who control them. It's over, and now I'm wondering if the Republican Party will survive to the next general election in 2016.

Jeb Bush and Ron Paul might just be the founders of a new mafia that ditches all the assholes who aren't useful to them anymore: racists, zealots, and nutjobs... but not the criminals, warmongers, or rich people.

Rosanna Lopez

(308 posts)
32. McCain got 46% in 2008
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:51 PM
Jun 2012

The fact that the Republicans are still able to get between 40-50% of the vote in America is what is disturbing. In no other Western country could such a backwards, prejudiced and vile party be able to get so much support.

Remember, even in what was a BAD year for the Republicans in 2008, McCain STILL got 46% of the vote after Americans went through 8 years of Bush and witnessed the Republicans destroy the economy.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
34. I dont think all of McCain's votes were anti-Obama.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 06:02 AM
Jun 2012

Some voted for him because they actually liked the guy.

No doubt it will be a challenge but I dont think 46% of the US voters plan to vote for Romney as a vote against the President. The polling doesnt show that. If that were the case we would be in serious trouble.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
27. For the backwash, yes.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:03 AM
Jun 2012

For swing voters, probably not. IMO, Romney just doesn't give off any "I'm one of you" vibes to ordinary people, and his attempts to be "just folks" only emphasize the gulf between him and us.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
35. Only if it makes it close enough to steal.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 06:19 AM
Jun 2012

Kerry was a shitty candidate whose campaign was very terribly organized.
I went to a Kerry/Edwards rally in Missouri and it sucked. You can't properly rally people if you are late coming on stage and you leave a hot crowd sweating in the sun without constant entertainment or speakers. They probably aren't going to feel that enthused.

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