Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:22 AM Jun 2012

Nate Silver's take on the Bloomberg Poll

Some of the accounts that I read about the Bloomberg poll avoided that trap, describing it as an “outlier.” I don’t have any huge problem with using that term, although that still leaves you with a choice to make.

1) You could just disregard the poll entirely, or,

2) You could include it in some sort of average and then get on with your life.

My general view, as I’ve expressed before, is that you should not throw out data without a good reason. If cherry-picking the two or three data points that you like the most is a sin of the first order, disregarding the two or three data points that you like the least will lead to many of the same problems.

At the same time, it’s important to take data in context. Many polls consistently show a partisan lean toward one or another candidate. And some polls just aren’t very good, taking shortcut after shortcut that leave them far short of taking a true random sample of voters.

The FiveThirtyEight forecast model seeks to strike a balance between these ideas. If it can place a poll into context based on what it knows about the polling firm, it will use it, although the model includes a lot of checks-and-balances that are supposed to prevent the model from overreacting to any one data point.

In this case, the firm conducting the Bloomberg poll (Selzer & Company) actually has a good track record, and their previous polls this cycle had not shown especially favorable results to Mr. Obama. So the model uses the poll, just carefully.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/outlier-polls-are-no-substitute-for-news/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

3 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Nate Silver's take on the Bloomberg Poll (Original Post) WI_DEM Jun 2012 OP
Funny how every media pundit is discounting this poll bigdarryl Jun 2012 #1
Funny, but not unexpected Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #2
It is an outlier /nt still_one Jun 2012 #3

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
2. Funny, but not unexpected
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:29 AM
Jun 2012

remember, the rule is (or seems to be): NO GOOD NEWS FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA ALLOWED!

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Nate Silver's take on the...