2016 Postmortem
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Senator Bernard Sanders (I-VT), Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), and Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-AZ)
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/15-minimum-wage-fact-sheet?inline=file
It looks like Sanders is already paying MORE than the minimum wage in this bill that he introduced to move us toward a $15 an hour minimum wage.
HRC has had her own problems with paying her staff: expecting field organizers, not volunteers, to work for free this summer.
In the big picture, though, a lot of people are working for free and for cheap for all the candidates. It takes a lot more people power than professional career campaigners.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)They should pay it now, this applies to all of them.
seaglass
(8,173 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)has actually ACTED to begin the process of achieving a $15 minimum wage. And that candidate is ahead of his own curve in the process that he has introduced.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And I am sure you realize that whatever discussion you and I have on this is moot. Should Bernie somehow win the nomination, the Republicans would make a big deal out of this and it looks bad.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)that actually reading his plan to achieve $15 an hour, and noting that he is ahead of that curve, would be too painful for some Democrats as well as Republicans to acknowledge.
It doesn't look bad to be ahead of your own plan.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)and he isn't doing it.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)"Socialist Bernie Sanders wants the state to plunder the wealth of small businesses but won't put his own money where his mouth is!"
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)This basically neutralizes the minimum wage issue for Bernie if he gets the nom.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)we answer with substance?
He does a pretty good job handling the media. I think he'll handle short sound bites just fine. The real work will be to make sure that he gets to speak, and that people get to hear his responses to those short soundbites.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)will be.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)my choices are to fight like hell, or to roll over, offer up my belly, and accept defeat, which is simply not in my make-up.
Or to take myself home, shut the door, and not show up at all.
I'll fight like hell.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Heck, do it now.
Demand our, candidates all of them, pay the wage they preach.
If anything it will show where Hillary really stands.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)not all at once.
2) Hillary Clinton pays her interns zero.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)that should be clear enough.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I find the notion that only people with means can afford to work for the Hillary campaign for free to be more upsetting than Bernie interns earning $10 an hour.
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/hillary-clinton-dont.fb47?source=s.fb&r_by=5482506
I couldn't believe my ears. I did not apply as a routine volunteer but as a fellow. Its application process with an elaborate screening and interview process was now revealed to be an ugly lie. If Hillary hopes to inspire young people, to prove she understands our interests she should offer substance to earn our votes.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/06/23/hillary-clinton-unpaid-intern-millenials-column/28936259/
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Sure not all of them, but a bunch and some are major U.S. Employers.
The plan is good don't get me wrong but why not do it now? What's holding him back?
ETA: Or any of them?
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Not that speculation is really worth anything.
What's holding him back?
His campaign, in not accepting big corporate donations, is running on a shoe-string budget. I think we're all aware of that, and that's probably a factor.
What do you think is holding any and all candidates back?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)IMO that really isn't the right thing to do... Yet here we are.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And be better off.
It's embarrassing for ALL our candidates.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)The others have no ability to introduce legislation. Though I think you well know it has a snowball's chance in hell of passing. Bernie certainly knows that.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Has he attempted to raise the minimum wage in Maryland?
Oh, yes, he did. Last year. To $10.10 an hour. But that doesn't take effect until 2018.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/md-gov-omalley-signs-minimum-wage-increase-hundreds-of-other-bills-into-law/2014/05/05/98df84de-d46a-11e3-8a78-8fe50322a72c_story.html
Hillary Clinton, to her credit, worked to raise the minimum wage while she was in the Senate. She co-sponsored the bill that raised the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour. I'm sure that, were she in Congress at the moment, she'd support raising the minimum wage above that $7.25. She doesn't have to, though. She just has to talk about it.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Some people like myself gladly volunteer our time, I don't think volunteers are the issue here?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)I find it odd you would use debunked RNC talking points to try and smear our possible Dem nominee.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)is out there all over the place, not just from right-wing sites.
Please note that I took your link, which, ironically, is from HuffPo and often criticized here at DU (not by me,) read it, and took that part of the OP off.
It's not a smear if it's true. If it's not true, I'm not going to use it; hence the OP edit.
When someone formulates an OP about the candidate who is opposing their candidate of choice, is that a smear, or is that a comparison? It's campaigning either way. I'm sure you know that this OP, about Sanders, is in response to another OP by someone who would like to take him down. Is that OP a smear? Or a legitimate point? I'd think, if it were an attempt at a legitimate conversation, the information about Sander's work for a $15 minimum wage would be included. It wasn't; another DUer down the thread posted it, and it was mostly ignored. So I offered it upfront.
I did not start an OP about HRC's issues paying her staff this summer, although I could have. I did point out that NONE of the current candidates are paying their staff that $15, and that Sanders has actually introduced specific legislation to make that minimum wage happen, and is ahead of the curve on his own legislation.
Those are points that should be acknowledged.
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)Critical thinking seems to be forgotten during primaries
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)It adopts a one-size-fits-all wage structure that affect urban and rural workers disproportionately. Also, it's tied to a "this is the wage" mentality that has us with a minimum wage that steadily decreases in real value.
What we need:
1. Establish a nominal national minimum wage based on the average national cost of living. This would be a living wage so that the worker and 2 dependents could live without public assistance. I won't give the number here, but I'm guessing it's in the $10-12/hr range.
2. The local minimum wage would be adjusted for cost of living. Higher cost of living areas get a boost, lower cost of living areas would be pared back. The idea is establish a relatively normalized standard for minimum wage standard of living. For example, where I live, $15/hour is above the mean household income (which is currently about $13/hr). OTOH, $15/hr in NYC is peanuts.
3. Every two years, both the nominal national minimum wage and the local cost of living adjustment would be made to the minimum wage. Increases would be automatic, and could only be stopped by a 2/3rds majority vote of Congress and the President's signature. Automatic reductions would not occur.
The idea is to ensure that the minimum wage at least maintains pace with inflation.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)the act links the minimum wage to the median hourly wage. When the median goes up, so does the minimum.
I like the idea of a local COLA adjustment.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I DO think we need the locality adjustments to really make it work, though.
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LWolf
(46,179 posts)That's me. I'll PM you a link, because that's not what this OP is about, and I'd like to avoid turning this thread into a focus on HRC.