Dumb anti-HRC meme of the week: she benefits from CU, so she won't want to overturn it.

[DanTex]

Here are the top campaign fundraising totals so far, excluding Super PACs:

Clinton...$47.5M
Sanders...$15.2M
Cruz...$14.3M
Bush...$11.4M
Carson...$10.6M
Rubio...$8.9M

And here are the totals for Super PACs supporting individual candidates:

Bush...$103.0M
Cruz...$38.0M
Rubio...$31.9M
Walker...$26.0M
Perry...$16.8M
Clinton...$15.6M

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html?_r=0

Hopefully this clears up any misconceptions about who benefits from Citizens United, which is what makes Super PACs possible.

Oh, and even if you're delusional enough to think that Bernie would pose a real threat to Hillary if Super PACs were outlawed, realize that, if Hillary wins then she'll be an incumbent in 2020, which means that her only opposition will be the GOP, and that her reelection chances would be better without Super PACs.

So even from a selfish careerist point of view, Hillary would want Citizens United overturned. Of course, this isn't actually the reason she wants to get rid of Super PACs. The reason is that she's a progressive who wants fairer elections out of principle.

[Thinkingabout]

1. There are lots of false talking points such as Hillary would keep CU, most are RW talking points

Which takes time away from the issues on improving our nation or the lack of ability to put forth an agenda by candidates who does not have a real agenda. Face it, Hillary is still on the campaign trail presenting her agenda, where she would like to see the nation go and not engaging in diversion tactics of other candidates.

[misterhighwasted]

4. Exactly why she will be an outstanding MPOTUS.

HRC is above the stupid games played by the mocking, good old boys club.

About time that lordly bunch is given a dose of reality on Nov 2016.
HRC

[Cosmic Kitten]

2. Republican Congress will NOT overturn it.

Hillary doesn't have a magic wand,
nor will she give us ponies. FACT!

She is toothless regarding CU.

AND, she has ONLY spoke out
about "dark" or "unaccountable"
money, NOT CU as a whole.

She seems perfectly fine with
"accountable" Billion dollar Super-PACs

[DanTex]

5. Any Dem will face the problem of a Republican Congress.

Particularly when it comes to the ponies that Bernie is promising, like single payer, financial transaction tax, free college, etc.

Citizens United is a little different, since it's a supreme court decision.

[Cosmic Kitten]

8. The Difference is...a Bernie is building a Mass Movement

Hillary is beholden to Wall St and Corporate donors.

Bernie is building a mass movement.

TODAY, 100,000+ people are attending
Organizing Meetings, in ALL 50 states.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251479166

Those people and the next wave of supporters
will hold Congress accountable.

Hillary has NO SUCH support.

[Thinkingabout]

10. Wall Street and Corporate donors? Bernie voted with NRA because of a $18,000 donation for ads

against his opponent, he sure listened. He also listens by voting for funding of wars because it also helps the defense contractors. Don't go there, more information of Bernie voting with lobby interest.

Hillary is very aware of the mistake of the Citizens United, it is not good. The GOP did not expect DNC to be able to raise big campaign funds and they would be able to buy all elections, it did not work out the way they expected, Democrats are able to raise the big bucks also.

[Cosmic Kitten]

11. Still flogging that dead horse

A quick glance at Super-PACs and
campaign contributions make it
crystal clear that she won't go
anywhere near "biting the hand that feeds her"

[Thinkingabout]

14. Dead horse? If Corporate and Wall Street isn't an example of a dead horse and it is still used.

[Cosmic Kitten]

16. Yawn

[66 dmhlt]

34. Good lord, you are irksome. You think your juvenile petulance helps Bernie? Think Again!

[DanTex]

13. Of course, the mass movement. Where is he, like 19% in the polls?

And Clinton is at like 57%.

Is not being able to compare two numbers and see which one is bigger one of the requirements for entrance into the Bernie fan club?

[Cosmic Kitten]

21. Polls ha ha, the self selected 10% who respond to pollsters

NEWS FLASH: 100,000 people are meeting TODAY
in the first round of Organizing a Mass Movement

Read all about it!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251479166

Watch the Bern spread Tonight!

[cocainecowboy]

24. 100,000 RSVP's is better than the poll numbers any day

especially when they still use atrociously small samples of under 5,000 to ask who they like.

[Cosmic Kitten]

27. Exactly! The "real" world versus what if "questions"

Can't wait to see the crowds at the next,
if ever Hillary rally.

Her paltry 5000 for the kickoff was embarrassing!

Particularly in a city of 8 million+

[stevenleser]

36. You forgot about the Unicorn distraction effect. House Republicans would vote yes on Bernie bills

accidentally because they would be distracted by the unicorns flying.

[Iliyah]

40. LOL

[stevenleser]

41. I'm creating a new acronym for it. "D.U.D.E!" Devastating Unicorn Distraction Effect.

[Iliyah]

44. Good one!

The constant berating of HRC just deepens my resolve for her.

[Sancho]

7. Actually, CU may come down to more Supreme Court challenges...

and there is no one running who would be better able to pick a nominee for the SC than Hillary Clinton.

Bernie has no legal training, no legal practicing experience, and no experience in national government directly related to the Supreme Court.

Without going through all the candidates, it could easily be argued that Obama's choices were not only good ones - women, minority, and liberal - but they were confirmed! Hillary is more experienced than Obama was in legal practice.

Hillary can also do that...and Bernie has no experience or capacity to think that he could find or recruit good SC judges other than putting an ad on Monster.com.

One of Hillary biggest advantages over Bernie is the fight over CU, because it's a SC issue.

All the Democrats would prefer to get rid of CU.

[dsc]

19. No Congress will over turn it

because no Congress can. Her Supreme Court nominees will overturn it, because they can.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

23. Hillary on CU

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/05/19/today-in-politics-clinton-says-citizens-united-would-guide-her-supreme-court-picks/

And, a little background info on where the CU decision ORIGINATED from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary:_The_Movie

That's right, CU made a movie that was anti-Hillary, and tried to air it on primetime right before the Democratic primary. So, if you think she supports a decision that was basically anti-Hillary, you're either a Republican or just willfully ignorant. Looking at your posting history, I know which one I suspect.

[misterhighwasted]

3. Yet the ignorance will continue to smolder even when the truth is staring them in the face.

Sec Clinton does NOT support CU.
The lies spun to discredit HRC & those who repeat them with enthusiasm come from the center of the RW propaganda ops.
What sorry shameful people

Great post DanTex.

Thank You

[Gothmog]

6. Clinton has promised to only appoint SCOTUS justices who will vote to repeal CU

[Cosmic Kitten]

9. And the Republican Congress will NOT approve those nominations

Then what?

[Thinkingabout]

12. Abillity to negotiate with both sides of Congress is a must. Ability to work with Congress just may

be forecast by the endorsements Hillary has received from congressional members.

[Cosmic Kitten]

15. Ha hahaha, yep that worked out great for Obama!

As if Clinton 2.0 would be any more "cooperative"

UNLESS, she capitulates to appease the right-wing!?!

You know, capitulate, bipartisanship republican style.
Reach across the aisle and do what republicans tell you to do!

[DanTex]

17. Obama is one of the most successful and progressive presidents ever.

The best since LBJ for sure, and maybe since FDR. If Clinton can accomplish the same amount as Obama, that would be great.

[Cosmic Kitten]

28. He did great with single payer, and the Cromnibus bills!

Funny how issues that effect the majority of the Public seem to never work out, yet the Corporations always do just fine?

most successful and progressive presidents ever

[Thinkingabout]

18. Without any endorsements from Congressional members to Bernie, I

Do not see ANY corporation coming for Bernie.

[Agschmid]

20. Sorry but what?

Obama's appointees are a capitulation?!?!

Seriously?

[Cosmic Kitten]

29. Repubs won't approve Hillary justices unless...

those nominees support a right-wing agenda.

As such, pro-choice, and anti-CU justices
stand little chance of being seated.

Unless Hillary capitulates on the issues.

[Agschmid]

32. Honestly at this point you appear to be just making shit up?

At least you're creative I give you credit for that.

[dsc]

22. Only need Senate

and we will win that if we win the Presidency.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

25. And the Republican Congress will approve Bernie's?

They'll work with Bernie to repeal CU?

Dafuq are you smoking?

[Cosmic Kitten]

30. Bernies Mass Movement will apply pressure. Hillary will have no such support

We can expect Hillary to make a feckless defences
of her supposed policies and then throw up her
hand and blame the right-wing (good cop-bad cop).

Just like single-payer healthcare....
We just couldn't get the votes

[Dr Hobbitstein]

31. So ponies and rainbows, then?

There's this place you should check out. It's called reality. It's not as exciting as the ponies and rainbows you're used to seeing on Bullshit Mountain, but it's home.

[Cosmic Kitten]

33. Nope. Just a few million activated citizens demanding responsible govenment

Unless we elect Hillary!

Then we can go back to sleep and let her be our "Champion"

[Dr Hobbitstein]

37. Enjoy Bullshit Mountain!

If Bernie wins the primary and the general, he will face the EXACT same obstruction that Hillary will, and the same obstruction Obama currently faces. We MAY take the Senate back, but the House is gonna remain under Republican control. Then again, that's the real world, your mileage on Bullshit Mountain may vary.

[Cosmic Kitten]

35. Reality is 0ver 100,000 people attending Organizing Rallies TODAY

Where are Hillary supporters?

How many can she rally on one day?

If her campaign kick off is any indication...

[Dr Hobbitstein]

38. 57% HRC vs 14% BS

I know, math and statistics don't exist on Bullshit Mountain.

[Iliyah]

26. Geez Louise. I'm part of HRC 47 million dollars who gives what I can

each month.

The lies continue on the DU 24/7 to the point of looking like a GOP board concerning HRC. One Democratic Party's candidate is treated like s**t where the other can do no wrong.

[Android3.14]

39. Clinton benefits from Citizens United to the tune of millions of dollars

Apparently it accounts for 25 percent of her funding. From your own OP, no less.

Accepting lesser amounts of dirty money isn't a positive endorsement of her commitment to actual progressive democratic values. It just means she sold herself cheap.

[Eric J in MN]

42. Hillary Clinton would prefer a fundraising system which

...didn't cause Jeb Bush to have twice what she does.

[Iliyah]

45. Ding ding ding

[DanTex]

43. Actually, it would benefit her if there were no SuperPACs, since then she would be outraising

all her GOP opponents. I'm not sure why this is so hard for Bernistas to comprehend.