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Hillary Clinton on climate change (Original Post) BainsBane Jul 2015 OP
Very well done Sheepshank Jul 2015 #1
Solar panels sound good. She didn't mention fracking or Keystone. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #2
She didn't mention apple pie or motherhood, either. George II Jul 2015 #4
because those don't contribute to climate change Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #14
K & R Iliyah Jul 2015 #3
K&R BooScout Jul 2015 #5
She supports Fracking, Keystone XL. Not the positions of an "environmentalist", to say the least. Romulox Jul 2015 #6
Not stating your position is not the same Persondem Jul 2015 #8
That argument *might* work on children. Romulox Jul 2015 #10
That's all you got? weak Persondem Jul 2015 #11
Google, all the cool kids do it! Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #13
Thank you. I agree that SoS Clinton was a promoter of fracking but offer this from one of Persondem Jul 2015 #16
Does Bernie support taking down those industries BainsBane Jul 2015 #20
Hillary supports dirty tar sands and fracking Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #7
Any proof of candidate HRC's alleged support for fracking and KXL? nt Persondem Jul 2015 #9
Yes, her record of taking Keystone XL money and promoting fracking Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #12
Can you please supply links for those accusations? Thank you. leftofcool Jul 2015 #15
Oh, you provide lots of evidence BainsBane Jul 2015 #18
False and dishonest BainsBane Jul 2015 #17
Low hanging fruit whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #19
I see. So you oppose green energy? BainsBane Jul 2015 #21
Not at all whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #22
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
1. Very well done
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:05 PM
Jul 2015

I am all for solar energy...I want it on my home. i can'afford the tens of thousands of dollars it would cost right now.

I am looking forward to hearing more about her program that would help people like us that are willing but don't have that kind of loose change sitting in our couch cushions.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
8. Not stating your position is not the same
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:36 AM
Jul 2015

Do you have any links that support your claim of advocacy?

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
16. Thank you. I agree that SoS Clinton was a promoter of fracking but offer this from one of
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jul 2015

your sources.

She says it needs to be conducted and regulated properly so it doesn’t cause excessive environmental harm, but she believes that can be done. Which puts her totally in line with President Obama, and out of line with most of the environmental community.


emphasis added

I can assure you that I am no fan of fracking, but as she was part of the Obama administration I am willing to give her some benefit of the doubt. I am more curious as to what candidate Clinton to say on the issue.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
20. Does Bernie support taking down those industries
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jul 2015

firing those workers? Can you show us where he came up against the unions and argued those industries should be dismantled and the workers fired?

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
7. Hillary supports dirty tar sands and fracking
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jul 2015

Solar panels won't stop fracking.

Fracking itself releases greenhouse gasses.

Hillary supports fracking

Fracking Would Emit Large Quantities of Greenhouse Gases
"Fugitive methane" released during shale gas drilling could accelerate climate change

Add methane emissions to the growing list of environmental risks posed by fracking.

Opposition to the hydraulic fracturing of deep shales to release natural gas rose sharply last year over worries that the large volumes of chemical-laden water used in the operations could contaminate drinking water. Then, in early January, earthquakes in Ohio were blamed on the disposal of that water in deep underground structures. Yesterday, two Cornell University professors said at a press conference that fracking releases large amounts of natural gas, which consists mostly of methane, directly into the atmosphere—much more than previously thought.

Robert Howarth, an ecologist and evolutionary biologist, and Anthony Ingraffea, a civil and environmental engineer, reported that fracked wells leak 40 to 60 percent more methane than conventional natural gas wells. When water with its chemical load is forced down a well to break the shale, it flows back up and is stored in large ponds or tanks. But volumes of methane also flow back up the well at the same time and are released into the atmosphere before they can be captured for use. This giant belch of "fugitive methane" can be seen in infrared videos taken at well sites.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fracking-would-emit-methane/


Hillary also supports the dirty tar sand pipeline.

But she's afraid to say so until after the election.
That's following, not leading.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
17. False and dishonest
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:24 PM
Jul 2015

That article says nothing about Hillary's posts on those issues.
Do you really have so little to say about your own candidate that you have to resort to making shit up? The amount of energy you devote to your contempt for this one woman is sad, and of course you have no evidence on the subject so you post an article that doesn't have anything to do with her position, hoping for what? Who do you actually think you are going to convince with that? And you resurrect an old thread for that? Somehow I have a feeling I'm going to look at the news and find some new poll results.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
19. Low hanging fruit
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jul 2015

approved by wall street and the oil companies as it is mostly orthogonal to their interests.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
21. I see. So you oppose green energy?
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:33 PM
Jul 2015

and instead prefer perpetual dependence on fossil fuels? Makes sense. The point is not to combat global warming but to channel the 10 percenters' anger at "corporations," only not the MIC or Big Gun. Those corporations are sacrosanct.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
22. Not at all
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:44 PM
Jul 2015

I support radical green measures, not the too-little-too-late proposals of a corporatist dem.

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