One Simple Chart Explains The Climate Plans Of Hillary Clinton And Bernie Sanders &O'Malley

[elleng]

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What does real climate leadership look like? According to the O’Malley campaign’s email, it looks like having a definitive position on every controversial policy in the environmental space. Arctic drilling, fracking, the Keystone XL pipeline — O’Malley’s climate plan details strong stances on all of those topics. The plan Clinton released on Sunday does not.

[askew]

1. Yep. This chart makes it clear that O'Malley is heads and shoulders above the other 2

on this issue and he has a progressive environmental record to prove he's serious about this.

[whatchamacallit]

3. Head and shoulders above Hillary anyway

Of the 11 proposals examined Bernie supports 9, and Hillary a pathetic 4.

[askew]

4. Yeah, Hillary's a disaster on climate change.

I am more than a little frustrated that Sanders hasn't released detailed platforms on climate or much of anything yet. I want more detail from him before I will take him seriously on this issue.

[NCTraveler]

5. Sanders has put forth no comprehensive plan.

They are being very generous by giving him credit for past support or rhetoric. Hillary has a comprehensive plan at this point. Sanders does not. I'm not sure how not having a plan tops a pretty comprehensive plan, even is said plan is missing things we would all like. Sanders plan at this point is simply missing.

[whatchamacallit]

6. I'm sure he will formalize it soon enough

In the meantime his record is a good roadmap for where he's going. Jumping out and committing to a plan only get you points if the plan is good. Hillary's is tepid at best. Not something worthy of praise IMO.

[sadoldgirl]

2. Sorry, but SBS has said many times

that we need to get off fossil fuels.
However, that is such a general statement
that means very little.

[Maedhros]

7. O'Malley does seem to have the stronger platform here, compared to Sanders.

Not by all that much, but stronger still. I won't mention Hillary because I don't believe she has any intention of following up on her few campaign promises - she's just throwing those out there as red meat for the liberal base.

However, I believe that we need to address issues in this order:

1. End the 'War on Terror' - as long as we live under this bullshit state of 'war' we will continue to bleed away our civil rights and, therefore, our ability to effect change.

2. Campaign Finance Reform - until we can prevent climate-destroying corporations from simply buying compliant politicians who will enable their agenda, we will not be able to stop them.

3. Stop Global Climate Change - also known as "saving our species."

Yes, #3 is far and away the most pressing crisis facing the human race, and we definitely need to get working on this right now. Nonetheless, no matter how much tough talk and sincere intention we get from our candidates, I believe that failing to address #1 and #2 will render it impotent.

[Raine1967]

8. here is the chart if you want to add it to the op:

[elleng]

9. GOT IT!

[magical thyme]

10. as a homeowner in the frigid north, that list of 9 things leaves out some important steps

Anybody who has been to workshops by specialists in reducing energy use in your home can tell you that before you install new heating/cooling systems, the 1st thing you should do is work to conserving.

That means 1. insulation and weatherizing homes and other buildings.

But how the government goes about funding really matters.

I know that Obama funded a "weatherization" push a few years back as part of his stimulus plan. I got very excited until I looked into it here in Maine. They used the federal funds to pay for a course that people could pay $250 to take and even get certified in weatherizing homes as a business.

I didn't take the course because it advertised things for people who couldn't afford actual insulation to "use newspaper to insulate your attic."

Yes, piled up newspapers in your attic are better than no attic insulation. They are also a fire hazard and I have no idea how deep you'd have to pile them to get a decent R-value.

Iow, it was a total waste, a bad joke, and I suspect a failed program. The insulation and weatherization people already were selling those kinds of services, to people who could afford them.

(on a personal note, after getting an outrageous, $3000 quote to insulate a tiny section of attic (and destroy a wall of my finished attic) I set it aside until a couple weeks ago. reviewed the section of attic and realized I can do a better and easier job myself for <$100. Will start on it next month once time and personal energy permits).


Step #2 is to identify the best alternative energy for your particular area. Solar and wind are great in some places, not so great in others. Geothermal may be your best solution. And centralized electric sources are never best. The further electricity has to travel to its destination, the more is lost

[magical thyme]

11. also, it's nice to be 1st to be out with a plan, but I'm more interested in its quality

Some plans are potentially effective; some are just more corporate giveaways.

So I want to see the details of any plans, how they will be implemented, and how they will be funded.

edited to add that I could have sworn that less than 2 hours ago I saw a post in this thread that linked to Clinton's climate change plan. I remember skimming through it and then went out to do some errands and mull it over.

Now I can't find it. If anybody can direct me to it, tyia!

[Andy823]

13. Go to the Martin O'Malley group

There is a ton of information there, and if you can't find what you are looking for try his site, or ask for help on the O'Malley board.

[hedgehog]

12. K&R

[Andy823]

14. Yes this says a lot

Thanks for the thread.

[Romulox]

15. I would really like to see one of Hillary's supporters defend her *actual positions*,

rather than point to her polling or money.

[Cheese Sandwich]

16. Carbon tax vs. cap-and-trade...

O'Malley and Clinton both support a carbon cap-and-trade policy. But they oppose a carbon tax as far as I know.

Sanders supports a carbon tax but is opposed to cap and trade. The opposite position.

That's a pretty big difference where the more moderates support the cap-and-trade but more I guess you can say activists or progressives want the carbon tax.

The chart is a bit cherry picked. It doesn't include that issue. It's a major issue in the environmental movement.

[Andy823]

17. Can you post a link

Where I can read Bernie's plan for fixing the environment?

[Cheese Sandwich]

18. "Fixing the environment"? Like fix what about it exactly?

http://google.com ?


Any issue you may be interested in I think if you go on google and type in the same of the issue and name of a candidate you will find what you need.

For example I went there and typed: Martin O'Malley cap-and-trade .

I learned Gov. O'M supports cap-and-trade just like Sec. Clinton.

It's not on the "chart" though. Seems like it should be since it's a big issue. Instead it has "carbon price". I'm not sure what that is.

[Andy823]

19. If you support him

Why is it so hard to find his plan and link to it?

You are really good and bashing and trashing O'Malley and Clinton, but not so good at promoting you own candidate.

[Cheese Sandwich]

20. Like what do you mean by a plan? Plan to do what?

[elleng]

21. Plan for renewable energy, not your candidate's 'plan'

https://martinomalley.com/climate/

[Andy823]

22. Well lets see

Since the thread is all about he environment, what kind of a "plan" would you think I was talking about?

[Cheese Sandwich]

23. Is google broken today?

It seemed to be working earlier when I looked up their cap-and-trade positions.

Just Kidding.

[Jamaal510]

24. K&R