2016 Postmortem
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Am I the only one out there that is truly undecided for the the Primary?
At this point, I just really want to see what policies Hillary proposes and if she can handle/survive the pressures of a General Election campaign... Can her health and focus last on the campaign trail? Can she overcome her perceived 'negatives' and put forward her vision of the future?
For Sen. Sanders, I want to see if he is truly a Democrat... or a Democrat of convenience. Can he forge a message that can get broad appeal across the electorate? I also have questions about his age and health... can he hold-up under a tough campaign?
Even some of the lesser candidates, I could also live with... but they need to show why in the heck are they even running... or are they just jockeying for 2020, or a VP spot.
I also like the two other 500 lb. gorillas sitting it out currently: Biden, and Gore.
So far, no one has shown me that they have what it takes in 2016. Time to get to work folks. In the meantime, I am watching and waiting.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)If they're not in Iowa and New Hampshire now, they're not running.
It seems to me that you're waiting to see if one or both of our candidates can "go the distance, " which means that you won't be making up your mind any time soon. Am I right?
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)and whether they can win against the money Republicans are going to throw at us this year.
Gore, I think is 99% out, and Biden I think is legitimately still considering (maybe about a 30% chance)...
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Joe is one year younger than Sanders. Your criteria are odd to me.
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)But, once again waiting to see what he has to offer...
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)I think I know HRC from history, and there still are several old points that she clings to that raise my hackles, but she has shown a willingness to change and reinvent herself to keep abreast of changing views. Having experienced the disastrous consequences of President Bush who was rigid and unable think on his feet or change on the fly, this flexibility is a good thing and vital to any president. Can Clinton hold it all together this time, despite every dastardly thing the Rs have planned, or will her candidacy get tangled up in her shortcomings and collapse at the last moment?
Sanders remains a largely unknown quality. As a fellow socialist, I gravitate to much of his pro-worker agenda, and he has adroitly created a narrow focused niche for himself in that area. However, he serves a weak broth and seemed strained to present a broader array of topics without getting waspish and running off the rails with a curmudgeonly -- but somehow charming -- 'get off my lawn' attitude. The presidency chews people up and sucks them dry, but will Sanders end up being a one-trick-pony or can he get out of his own way and become more than he appears to be, or really wants to be?
As the next year unfolds, I'll be watching and waiting.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I have been swayed in the past by debates, will probably be swayed again.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I think your position is fair. Please take some time to look at O'Malley. Also, read from a broad group of media outlets. I hope that doesn't sound lecturing. I guess it kind of does. I seem to like your thought process. I have now been reading about O'Malley for months. The more I read, the more I like. For me, it is the exact opposite of Sanders and Clinton.
cocainecowboy
(45 posts)One person is definitely out of the picture for me - Hillary Clinton. I can't forgive her or her husband for the 1994 welfare reform which devastated my family and put my mother in a early grave from overworking and lack of sleep.