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One major reason I support Sanders primarily rather than Clinton (Original Post) Triana Jul 2015 OP
No methodology in that quote. Just empty words... onehandle Jul 2015 #1
Since you could probably produce pictures of her schmoozing with CEOs of those 6 banks tularetom Jul 2015 #2
Financial adviser: Clinton won't push Glass-Steagall bank bill think Jul 2015 #3
there you go. thanks. n/t Triana Jul 2015 #30
And it has one gigantic problem... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #6
Are you under the impression all other countries have the same banking issues we have? Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #10
All other countries play in our stock market and effect our economy. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #16
"Globalization" is not a force of nature Armstead Jul 2015 #53
Our banks are global, multinational banks. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #17
And there are thousands of other non-US multi-national banks. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #21
Our economy is global AlbertCat Jul 2015 #42
Banks in other countries are not as large as the big US banks. n/t RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #46
Not true. Glass-Steagell does not stop investment banks from playing with the global markets. jwirr Jul 2015 #49
Exactly! It's about protecting our savings accounts from ANOTHER failed gamble! n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #51
+ 1 They_Live Jul 2015 #60
I disagree with your last sentence based on empirical data and analysis. Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #75
This is the same argument people use against fighting global warming bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #79
Statements of principle proceed statements of method. Principles and points of view are not empty Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #13
Right on. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #24
Can you parse this one for us, too? libodem Jul 2015 #31
You mean Walmart where Hillary sat on the board.... wolfie001 Jul 2015 #39
Hillary gave us some methodology: TPP and no Glass-Steagell. jwirr Jul 2015 #38
But she isn't even pretending to support the 99% against the tyranny of Wall Street. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #80
Pretty words OKNancy Jul 2015 #4
If Bernie wins the Presidency madokie Jul 2015 #7
you are dreaming... OKNancy Jul 2015 #11
What's your point? Dawgs Jul 2015 #14
Things are becoming more and more clear every day. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #43
If it doesn't warrant a response, RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #47
Absolutely agree. SoapBox Jul 2015 #68
The senate rates to go Dem... immoderate Jul 2015 #65
I wouldn't take that bet... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #15
It doesn't create cynicism when there is a way out that we were simply, up until now, not giving Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #25
Watch out - seems to me you are taking "Obama's massive coalition" for granted. I think I heard jwirr Jul 2015 #62
Sure you can bet that, but you'll lose your money. George II Jul 2015 #81
There is a new bipartisan bill to re-instate a modern version of Glass-Steagall think Jul 2015 #9
more dreaming... it will never advance under McConnell OKNancy Jul 2015 #12
Is the new Glass Steagall bill a good bill or a bad one? Should Hillary support it or not? think Jul 2015 #18
Great! Let's just surrender then. It makes life so much simpler. RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #29
No one has EVER accomplished ANY THING good 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #32
Then we make him own it! Not give up! n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #63
I found a more appropriate stock photo for the pretty words. onehandle Jul 2015 #20
Do you support the new Glass Steagall bill? think Jul 2015 #22
Cynicism kills. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #26
Social Security, the original Glass Stegal, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. were all "unicorns" once Armstead Jul 2015 #59
This is exactly what people say about guns. PDittie Jul 2015 #28
You are right. The NRA has had an enormous impact and we need to set them back. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #48
is actually enforcing the regulations on the books now. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #44
That's totally lame and defeatist Armstead Jul 2015 #55
Hillary does not want to wave a wand and she does not think Glass-Steagell is needed. She jwirr Jul 2015 #56
Thats one of the reasons madokie Jul 2015 #5
We really need campaign finance reform. nt artislife Jul 2015 #8
he will TRY Cosmocat Jul 2015 #19
Most Hillary supporters don't oppose oligarchy. They just want a better seat at the table. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #23
I think that's the way I see it as well. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #27
2 of her DU supporters have bragged they're 1%ers Divernan Jul 2015 #41
Such people are my political enemies. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #58
Saw that, pretty blatant as intended. Didn't see the 'you're just jealous of her money'. Wow, ugly appalachiablue Jul 2015 #64
K&R!!!!! Bernie: The Candidate for We the People ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #33
Bernie is the only candidate that can break up the monopolies because he's not Cleita Jul 2015 #34
Breaking up Wall Street . . . Gamecock Lefty Jul 2015 #35
Break 'em up like we did Ma Bell!! wolfie001 Jul 2015 #40
It's regulate Wall Street and break up the banks with Glass-Steagell. jwirr Jul 2015 #71
"Paid for by Bernie 2016"? Thor_MN Jul 2015 #36
I think the overall thought process is good reason to support him. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #37
His plan, I think, has been outlined already. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #45
Your link goes to proposed legislation. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #50
My patience for this sort of gotcha is at an ebb at this moment. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #52
There is zero gotcha there. Zero. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #54
Absolutely zero. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #57
O'Malley has a true plan for Wall Street Reform. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #61
Honestly, I like O'Malley mostly. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #69
Also, to respond to your other point. November 2009. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #72
I would like to see accomplishments. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #74
What sort of accomplishments? LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #76
As president, he wouldn't be dependent on congress to proceed with prosecuting banksters... cascadiance Jul 2015 #66
Love this reply. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #70
I have not heard him saying "he can be the change'. In fact he has said many times that he cannot jwirr Jul 2015 #73
Let's face it, he's just more likable artislife Jul 2015 #67
"we're doomed anyway, so vote for Clinton" Doctor_J Jul 2015 #77
Yes! Truly inspiring! That slogan gives me goosebumps! RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #78
From the minds that brought us "Embrace the Suck" and "Eat your peas". TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #83
So what is Sanders' solution? George II Jul 2015 #82
get people outraged enough to push for action ibegurpard Jul 2015 #84
Nice dance....so when Sanders get people "outraged enough to push for action"..... George II Jul 2015 #85
K&R If your in the markets, then it's all good. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #86

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
1. No methodology in that quote. Just empty words...
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 09:43 AM
Jul 2015

...is what would be said about Hillary, if this was presented in her name.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
2. Since you could probably produce pictures of her schmoozing with CEOs of those 6 banks
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 09:56 AM
Jul 2015

and find the banks listed among her largest financial contributors, one could be forgiven for saying that about her.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
3. Financial adviser: Clinton won't push Glass-Steagall bank bill
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:00 AM
Jul 2015
Financial adviser: Clinton won't push Glass-Steagall bank bill

By Peter Schroeder - 07/13/15 01:47 PM EDT

Hours after Hillary Clinton vowed to crack down on Wall Street, an adviser said she has no plans to push a bank break-up bill beloved by the left.

Alan Blinder, a former Federal Reserve official now advising the Clinton campaign, told Reuters Monday that she has no plans to push for the return of a banking law that separates commercial and investment banks.

Read more:
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/247700-adviser-clinton-wont-push-glass-steagall-bank-bill



Bernie Sanders backs big bank breakups, in contrast with Hillary Clinton

By BURGESS EVERETT 7/17/15 10:26 AM EDT

Bernie Sanders is backing a bill to break up big banks after advisers to presidential rival Hillary Clinton made clear earlier this week she will not support reinstating the Glass-Steagall Act.

Noting that he’s long supported reimposing a firewall between investment and commercial banks, the Vermont senator said he’s officially rejoining an effort led by Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) to break up the big banks, saying, “If we are truly serious about ending too big to fail, we have got to break up the largest financial institutions in this country.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-big-ban-break-ups-glass-steagall-120287.html#ixzz3hC7UC6H1
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
6. And it has one gigantic problem...
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:04 AM
Jul 2015

Our economy is global, and unless someone could get every foreign bank to break up as well, it wouldn't make a difference. I'm all for regulation and raising capital gains, but breaking up US-only banks won't do much.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. Are you under the impression all other countries have the same banking issues we have?
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:10 AM
Jul 2015

Would you care to compare and contrast US banks with those based in other countries in terms of regulations? Your entire assertion rests on the idea that we have to remain shitty to keep footing with equally shitty regulations in other countries, so you should support that assertion.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
53. "Globalization" is not a force of nature
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jul 2015

We enabled it, and we continue to enable it.

We COULD pass regulations that protect the United States economy, and deal with some of the darker sides of globalization.

But we won't as long as the defeatist (or in the pockets of the oligarchy&quot so-called centrists continue to allow Big Banks, Big Corporations and Wall Street write the rules of the road with no interference from he mere peons.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
17. Our banks are global, multinational banks.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jul 2015

Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, Citibank any of those deemed too big to fail. I challenge you to google those names along with the words multinational or global.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
49. Not true. Glass-Steagell does not stop investment banks from playing with the global markets.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jul 2015

It merely stops them from using OUR money to do it. We the people would have a bank where we could deposit OUR money for safe keeping that would be invested locally and be covered by FDIC. The investment banks who take huge risks would still be there and anyone who wanted to could put money in their investments but these banks would have to buy their own insurance and use their own money to invest. We would not all be in the game. Just before W left office he tried to privatize Social Security - think what would have happened if he has succeeded. The same thing that happened to all those lost pensions in the Great Recession.

In the Great Recession many lost their savings and pensions because the way it is now the banks can gamble with OUR money regardless if we want them to or not. Also the reason that we had to bail them out was because there was not enough money in the FDIC to cover all the money these too big to fail banks had gambled with.

By separating the banks (back to what it was before Clinton repealed GS) the money of the depositor is protect by FDIC as it was since the Great Depression and the investment bankers can take their chances with their own money. Wall Street is not a good place to save your money. It is an investment entity.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
75. I disagree with your last sentence based on empirical data and analysis.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:24 PM
Jul 2015

This video, based on UN and IMF data indicates that a society's happiness index is directly related to wealth inequality. So the systematic breakup of too-big-to-fail corporations decreases wealth inequality in the US and therefore favorably affects the US happiness index.

In addition, it has the benefits of vitiating the political power of big corporations and creates more economic competition.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
79. This is the same argument people use against fighting global warming
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:46 PM
Jul 2015

China won't stop so anything we do won't make a difference.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. Statements of principle proceed statements of method. Principles and points of view are not empty
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jul 2015

words, such words are the foundation upon which one builds methods suited to obtaining the objectives. Methodology without principle is one of the most dangerous aspects of government.

wolfie001

(2,252 posts)
39. You mean Walmart where Hillary sat on the board....
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jul 2015

....and sang its praises? That Walmart? UUUUGGGGHHHH..............

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
80. But she isn't even pretending to support the 99% against the tyranny of Wall Street.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 04:35 PM
Jul 2015

It has made her very, very rich. She is a member in good standing of the 1%.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
4. Pretty words
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:02 AM
Jul 2015

If Congress can't regulate, then how in the hell does he think Congress will move to break up the banks?
It's ain't going to happen. Sanders doesn't have a magic wand.

The ONLY thing reasonable to help the situation now is actually enforcing the regulations on the books now.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
7. If Bernie wins the Presidency
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:07 AM
Jul 2015

you can bet that the house and senate will turn too. With a democratic house and senate and President things can happen. As it is it's pretty much a given that if Clinton wins it will continue as it is now. I'm ready for a change and I trust Bernie Sanders to give me that

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
11. you are dreaming...
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:10 AM
Jul 2015

that is so out of the realm of possibility that it doesn't even warrant a response.
Tiny chance the Dems can pick up a Senate seat or two... the House: it will be in Republican hands for a while.
The only chance of a turn-over is the new census in 2020.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
14. What's your point?
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:15 AM
Jul 2015

You say Bernie can't change anything, but either can Hillary in his scenario, no?

If that's true then what else do go on than the positions they take on issues.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
43. Things are becoming more and more clear every day.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:07 PM
Jul 2015

"If Bernie wins the Presidency you can bet that the house and senate will turn too."

That is a beautiful mind. I wish I could get mine to go there at a time other than when I'm sleeping.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
47. If it doesn't warrant a response,
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jul 2015

than why did you respond?

I think that Dems can, and will take back the House and Senate, if we get out the vote.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
68. Absolutely agree.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:41 PM
Jul 2015

Americans by the millions are pissed off.

HRC represents just more of the same...nothing will change with her and people see it already.

When Bernie wins in 2016, just watch what will happen in 2018...Pukes, Baggers and DINO's will be swept aside.

This is a political revolution.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
65. The senate rates to go Dem...
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:38 PM
Jul 2015

There are quite a few Republicans from blue states defending seats that were picked up in the 2010 midterm election. The house is more difficult because the districts are gerrymandered.

--imm

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
15. I wouldn't take that bet...
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jul 2015

You're not going to create a blue wave by telling people both party's are the same. That's cynicism, and cynicism oppresses turnout, oppressed turnout elects Republicans. And a candidate that suggested a primary against Obama in 2012 isn't going to win over Obama's massive coalition. We need a candidate who sticks up for the Democratic party to motivate people to the polls.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
25. It doesn't create cynicism when there is a way out that we were simply, up until now, not giving
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jul 2015

due consideration. The confirmation that we are tired, as a collective, of the bullshit . . . that confirmation by way of the election of Bernie Sanders, can inspire further change.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
62. Watch out - seems to me you are taking "Obama's massive coalition" for granted. I think I heard
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:35 PM
Jul 2015

they do not like that.

George II

(67,782 posts)
81. Sure you can bet that, but you'll lose your money.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 07:52 PM
Jul 2015

Neither house will turn Democratic off the coat tails of Bernie Sanders.

But then again, we can say that IF Sanders wins the Presidency that will happen, but we won't have to worry about seeing that premise not come true because he'll never get elected President.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
9. There is a new bipartisan bill to re-instate a modern version of Glass-Steagall
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:09 AM
Jul 2015

It's not a magic wand....

 

think

(11,641 posts)
18. Is the new Glass Steagall bill a good bill or a bad one? Should Hillary support it or not?
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:22 AM
Jul 2015

Telling me the GOP leadership doesn't like it isn't discussing the bill on it's merits.

It's an obvious attempt to give Hillary a pass for her lack of support for re-instating a new version of Glass Steagall....

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
29. Great! Let's just surrender then. It makes life so much simpler.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:07 AM
Jul 2015


Or, as the great Martin Luther King, Jr., once said, "I have a dream. But it will never get through Congress. So what's the point?"
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
32. No one has EVER accomplished ANY THING good
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:36 AM
Jul 2015

without dreaming & envisioning it first, and then working your ass
off for it.

Come on. You don't know that?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
59. Social Security, the original Glass Stegal, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. were all "unicorns" once
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:34 PM
Jul 2015

But I guess that was before the Democratic Party became the domain of sell outs and defeatists.

So yeah, I guess we are powerless to rein in the obscene amount of power and wealth that are concentrated in the hands of a tiny number of monopolies and oligarchs.

And while we're at it, let's just dispense with this "unicorn" of democracy.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
48. You are right. The NRA has had an enormous impact and we need to set them back.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jul 2015

They have led really good men to claim that guns are a problem of gangs in LA and Chicago, not rural America. It is a thought process we must fight against.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
44. is actually enforcing the regulations on the books now.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:07 PM
Jul 2015

So.... exactly why can't Sanders do that?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
55. That's totally lame and defeatist
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:29 PM
Jul 2015

I guess we should just not bother with this democracy shit, and just hand the rest of the keys to the country over to the corporations and big banks to do with us as they will....

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
56. Hillary does not want to wave a wand and she does not think Glass-Steagell is needed. She
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jul 2015

wants the investment banks to be free to use OUR money to gamble with even if we do not want them to. As breaking up the banks all that is needed is one bill and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie have already submitted it to the Senate. Glass-Steagell allows for two different types of banks.

Bank 1 is a deposit or commercial bank that hold our deposits and our retirement funds etc.. They are invest locally and are insured by FDIC.

Bank 2 is an investment bank that anyone who wants to can invest in but the bank must insure their own holdings. They do not have access to OUR money nor do we have to bail them out if they lose. They have to gamble with their own money.

I posted about this above with more detail.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
5. Thats one of the reasons
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:04 AM
Jul 2015

Another one is I trust him to be true to his word and not just blowing smoke to get elected, not so sure about Clinton

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
19. he will TRY
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jul 2015

Bernie is most certainly more right on more issues, to me.

Which is why I flipped to him early after he announced.

I have every faith in this country if it all works out for him to be POTUS, that we will stick him with the same worthless ass congress we have now basically and will also fall in line with the republican slander machine to turn his presidency to shit, like we have with BHO.

But, it gives us a 1 in 1,000,000 shot ...

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
41. 2 of her DU supporters have bragged they're 1%ers
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:42 PM - Edit history (1)

One claimed to have a Ferrari (I believe him). Those are quarter million dollar cars - the most expensive made and least environmentally sound -12/14 miles per gallon, city driving. He'd posted about HRC driving away in a Ferrari, leaving Bernie in the dust. When I observed that was a poorly chosen imagery for a Democratic candidate, he said I was just jealous of all her money. That's how they look at life, sadly - whomever has the most money wins life's game and must be the best.

I simply can't communicate with someone who has such a world view.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
64. Saw that, pretty blatant as intended. Didn't see the 'you're just jealous of her money'. Wow, ugly
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:38 PM
Jul 2015

and that is how many think, although most Dems. are bright enough not to say that even if they think it, particularly the non new money ones.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
34. Bernie is the only candidate that can break up the monopolies because he's not
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jul 2015

beholden to them as a moral principle.

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
35. Breaking up Wall Street . . .
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jul 2015

Is not a concern for me. Truth be told, I don't even know what that means.

I can appreciate your support for Bernie, but I'm sticking with Hillary!


wolfie001

(2,252 posts)
40. Break 'em up like we did Ma Bell!!
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jul 2015

You know, that gave us AT&T, Verizon and Comcast. Either way we get f@cked.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
36. "Paid for by Bernie 2016"?
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:50 AM
Jul 2015

What does that mean? Are you getting paid to post or was just a bad idea for a signature graphic?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
37. I think the overall thought process is good reason to support him.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:54 AM
Jul 2015

But if he has given up on congress and their ability to regulate Wall Street, what is his plan. It seems his whole campaign has been based off of past statements and action from congress. That comment, from someone stating they can be the change, makes no sense at all. Why would anyone who believes him here support anyone at all. Seems more like a quote excusing his lack of accomplishments in the body he serves.

I am actually having a hard time believing Sanders said something so foolish and pessimistic. I have seen many really foolish quotes, like this one, attributed to him in the past; only to find out it wasn't him. He is smarter than this.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
50. Your link goes to proposed legislation.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:15 PM
Jul 2015

Something Sanders clearly says won't work. Pie in the sky by his own admission. If you believe his quote in the op, which I'm not sure it is from him, you must then agree your links are pandering for votes to simply be President. He says it won't work himself.

"I do not believe congress has the ability to regulate Wall Street." Bernie Sanders. <- I have not verified this quote from the op. It looks really bad on Sanders and wish it were verified. I have seen foolish quotes attributed to him before.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
52. My patience for this sort of gotcha is at an ebb at this moment.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jul 2015

Bernie believes that unless we break up the banks, Congress cannot regulate or hold them accountable. He also fears, as I do, that unless the dynamic is changed we taxpayers will be held up by them again. We can either break them up, or stand at their mercy. I too, believe that is the choice we face. Either we act, or we face a bleak future where gains are privatized and losses are socialized. That is a brand of socialism I just cannot support.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
54. There is zero gotcha there. Zero.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:27 PM
Jul 2015

He offers legislation at a time when he says nothing can happen. His words, not mine. No gotcha at all. What year did he put this legislation forward? '07, '08, '09? I highly doubt he has been a senator since '07 and just proposed this legislation to kick off a campaign.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
57. Absolutely zero.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:31 PM
Jul 2015

Except the quote refers to concentration of wealth. It is exactly in line with his proposed legislation. But let's go with the one who doesn't want to regulate at all. That's a winning strategy for everybody.

Well, it's a win for the banks, anyway. Also possibly for those who hope for armed revolution.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
61. O'Malley has a true plan for Wall Street Reform.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:35 PM
Jul 2015

Unlike Sanders, he hasn't publically said it will fail. If you truly have interest in Wall Street Reform, are you going with the person who admits failure out of the gate, or the person who will work relentlessly to make it happen? Sanders has admitted defeat before joining the fight. O'Malley has a record of accomplishments. You are being dishonest whey you say he "doesn't want to regulate at all." That is actually a blatantly false statement with respect to all three of our candidates mentioned. Difference is, only one feels he can't accomplish it.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
69. Honestly, I like O'Malley mostly.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jul 2015

There is at least one position with which I strongly disagree and find myself more in alignment with Hillary. I'll be happy to reconsider in 2020. Right now, I view this campaign as an introductory tour. I don't see a path by which he wins the nomination or the GE at this time. Also, I am in doubt that he will still be on the ticket by the time my caucus rolls around in March.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
74. I would like to see accomplishments.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:22 PM
Jul 2015

The number of times legislation is brought up is second in politics only to pandering. Glass was removed in the '90's. Looking for a leader. A negotiator.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
66. As president, he wouldn't be dependent on congress to proceed with prosecuting banksters...
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:40 PM
Jul 2015

... and put them in prison where a lot of them BELONG like Reagan did during the Savings and Loan crisis, and corporate owned presidents Bush and Obama HAVEN'T!

By getting those criminals in prison, you perhaps could start helping to pull back on some of the actions working against Americans by Wall Street and the banking industry, up until we have working majorities of non-corporate congress critters to restore laws, and perhaps put a new law in that would reform the definition of statute of limitations so that it could be extended selectively on crimes committed that have since been made "legal" by acts of those linked with those crimes through BRIBING (even if now it is considered legal where it wasn't before) congress and our judicial system to pass and enforce laws (or not enforce them) to properly prosecute them in the past the way they should have been.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
70. Love this reply.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:47 PM
Jul 2015

There is a lot of truth to it and I believe Sanders would have a more aggressive justice department. I think he and O'Malley would both have a more aggressive Justice Department. Thank you for your well thought out reply. I do believe both Sanders and O'Malley would be more bold in that area than Hillary.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
73. I have not heard him saying "he can be the change'. In fact he has said many times that he cannot
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:14 PM
Jul 2015

do it alone. He has made it clear that in a revolution we create a movement that work for the change. The idea is to mobilize voters to push congress to do what they want. I think FDR said to some of his supporters that they had "make him do it". That is make their support so apparent that congress would not dare ignore it.

BTW I think that President Obama also was saying that but once he was in the WH the voters kind of forgot that part.

One of the first steps that he is indicating is helping to win the Senate back - which is why he keeps talking about a 50 state strategy. As for the House that is so gerrymandered that only a miracle will get it back. I think the House is where we will come in.

As for his accomplishments in the body he serves. He did not get his rating from NAACP, NARAL and the environmental groups for nothing. His record is very good.

And everything that you say about him can be applied to Hillary as well. But I will add one thing - Hillary and Bill Clinton triangulated (traded off) those of us who are poor or poc when they agreed to welfare reform and tough on crime laws. I do not want to be thrown under the bus again.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
67. Let's face it, he's just more likable
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:41 PM
Jul 2015

Mainly because he supports the issues that matter the most.




And his crazy hair!

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
77. "we're doomed anyway, so vote for Clinton"
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:32 PM
Jul 2015

"We can't beat wall street, so I am voting for the candidate who is in their pockets". That seems to be the hillarians contribution to this thread.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
78. Yes! Truly inspiring! That slogan gives me goosebumps!
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jul 2015

Vote for resignation, capitulation, and corporatization!

The planet is hosed and America's screwed. Now, what's on TV?

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
84. get people outraged enough to push for action
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 02:40 AM
Jul 2015

And then don't work to oppose them like our current president.

George II

(67,782 posts)
85. Nice dance....so when Sanders get people "outraged enough to push for action".....
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jul 2015

...what action will he lead them in taking?

WHAT is Sanders' solution beyond getting people outraged?

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